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post #4741 of 12345
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I haven't kept up with this thread for quite awhile. Are ST60 owners having buzzing issues that some earlier model Panasonic plasma owners are having? I ask because if I can't get the buzzing issue fixed with my 60GT50 then I might push to have Best Buy replace it with a 60ST60. But if the ST60's are having buzzing issues then I won't bother seeking a replacement.

Bill
I have been keeping up with these threads since 2012 and the buzzing complaints for the ST50 and ST60 seem about the same.
post #4742 of 12345
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I haven't kept up with this thread for quite awhile. Are ST60 owners having buzzing issues that some earlier model Panasonic plasma owners are having? I ask because if I can't get the buzzing issue fixed with my 60GT50 then I might push to have Best Buy replace it with a 60ST60. But if the ST60's are having buzzing issues then I won't bother seeking a replacement.

Bill

I've had a 60st60 for a week or so now. No audible buzzing, but we do sit more than a few feet away. TV is not mounted on a wall, so there is some distance between the wall on the TV. This may make it harder for us to hear buzzing. I've even turned off the sound to check to see if there is any buzz at all. Still none. I haven't put my ears up close to the TV or to the back of it like others have done. I also am not running any slides for the break in period -- just using normal blu-ray and HD cable viewing. I can definitely say I've heard no buzzing from our viewing distance, even with bright white screen content (commercials).

My take on this issue is that some sets may have it worse than others, or some people have better hearing than others.
post #4743 of 12345
Thanks to all for your thoughts on the buzzing issue with the ST60s smile.gif. I'll just see if the buzzing issue with my 60GT50 gets worse before requesting further service calls or a replacement.

Bill
post #4744 of 12345
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I haven't kept up with this thread for quite awhile. Are ST60 owners having buzzing issues that some earlier model Panasonic plasma owners are having? I ask because if I can't get the buzzing issue fixed with my 60GT50 then I might push to have Best Buy replace it with a 60ST60. But if the ST60's are having buzzing issues then I won't bother seeking a replacement.

Bill

My TV definitely buzzes. I can hear it from 12' away even with a blank screen.


On a side note, my ebay light kit will be here today. I have no way to test temperature though.
Edited by samijubal - 5/20/13 at 7:28am
post #4745 of 12345
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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post

My TV definitely buzzes. I can hear it from 12' away even with a blank screen.


But is that really normal... eek.gifconfused.gif

I wouldn't think so anyways, especially not from THAT FAR and on a dark/blank screen !

I'd definitely not keep that if it was mine, must be really really annoying !
post #4746 of 12345
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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post

My TV definitely buzzes. I can hear it from 12' away even with a blank screen

Your TV is defective. You absolutely should not be able to hear any buzzing from anywhere near that far away, even in a completely silent room at 3am. Don't you think you should call to have it repaired instead of accepting that buzzing??
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Twice now since I've had this TV (TC-P60ST60, had it three weeks now) I have had the cable picture go out, but the sound still works. Unplugging the HDMI from FiOS to TV and plugging it has fixed it immediately both times. If it matters, the FiOS signal is currently running directly from the box to the TV via HDMI - not passing through the receiver - as my wife doesn't care to use the surround sound every time she watches TV.

Any thoughts on what this issue might be? Is this an "HDMI handshake" issue? I've heard the term used, but don't really know what it means.
post #4748 of 12345
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Your TV is defective. You absolutely should not be able to hear any buzzing from anywhere near that far away, even in a completely silent room at 3am. Don't you think you should call to have it repaired instead of accepting that buzzing??

It was bought used. I have surround and never hear it when I'm watching so I don't care. I'm not the only one on here to hear it from that far away. I don't buy it's defective, everything works fine. I'll take the buzzing over the IR problems others have had any day.

Last time this came up someone said they took a USB drive to stores and tested for buzzing on half a dozen TVs and they all buzzed.
post #4749 of 12345
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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post



It was bought used. I have surround and never hear it when I'm watching so I don't care. I'm not the only one on here to hear it from that far away. I don't buy it's defective, everything works fine. I'll take the buzzing over the IR problems others have had any day.

Last time this came up someone said they took a USB drive to stores and tested for buzzing on half a dozen TVs and they all buzzed.

Ohh ok that's different. You're in the ST60 thread, I think people assumed you had an ST60 with that horrible buzzing, I sure did.

Ain't no such thing with the ST60 biggrin.gifcool.gif

IF yours is an ST60, than you bought a defective used tv my friend..
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Originally Posted by raynmanas View Post

Twice now since I've had this TV (TC-P60ST60, had it three weeks now) I have had the cable picture go out, but the sound still works. Unplugging the HDMI from FiOS to TV and plugging it has fixed it immediately both times. If it matters, the FiOS signal is currently running directly from the box to the TV via HDMI - not passing through the receiver - as my wife doesn't care to use the surround sound every time she watches TV.

Any thoughts on what this issue might be? Is this an "HDMI handshake" issue? I've heard the term used, but don't really know what it means.

This happened on my LCD panel. I recommend rebooting the FiOS box instead of unplugging the HDMI. This helped with my panel.
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Originally Posted by Blu_One View Post

Ohh ok that's different. You're in the ST60 thread, I think people assumed you had an ST60 with that horrible buzzing, I sure did.

Ain't no such thing with the ST60 biggrin.gifcool.gif

IF yours is an ST60, than you bought a defective used tv my friend..

I do have an ST60 and there is such a thing. I'm not the only one to hear it and just don't buy it's defective. You'll have to sell that to someone else.
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Is the S64 close enough to be worth considering with the ST60, at least in terms of PQ?

I've seen differing opinions. I may have to simply see one in person to decide, at this rate.
post #4753 of 12345
50 shades of gradation.
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Originally Posted by fester99 View Post

I noticed the same thing on my set it looks like the top frame is convex.

Same here but its a very slight bow.
post #4755 of 12345
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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post

I do have an ST60 and there is such a thing. I'm not the only one to hear it and just don't buy it's defective. You'll have to sell that to someone else.

Maybe you are getting a little defensive about it...I think all that is being suggested here is that while the PQ may be fine for now, the noise might indicate a failing part or an unnecessarily stressed piece of hardware that could give out sooner than it should. So while it may not be defective at this moment, a loud whine probably isn't a healthy sign. It's always a pain in the rear to send things back for repair or replacement, but if you're still in the warranty period this would be a no brainer for most at this juncture.
post #4756 of 12345
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Originally Posted by bucknuts07 View Post

So for some crazy reason, even though I absolutely loved my st60 , I was at my 14 days, and decided I would take it back to try the samsung f7100 just so I was sure I made the right choice . So that was 12 noon today, I got home later tonight, hooked up the new Sammy led, no flash lighting , but the picture doesn't even come close to what I had been seeing with my st60, and the motion no matter what the setting, judders and skips at times. I boxed the sammy up within 2 hours, but now feel sick to my stomach for trading my st60 for this 7100. Will be calling best buy at 10 am tomm, to see if they still have myst60 . Hoping they didn't sell it as open box today. Led maybe for some people, but I can't get over how bad the motion is on these tvs

If you do get it back, never ever speak of this unidentified reason, or even think it to yourself.
post #4757 of 12345
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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post

I do have an ST60 and there is such a thing. I'm not the only one to hear it and just don't buy it's defective. You'll have to sell that to someone else.

I don't really understand what you're saying honestly, sorry.

All I'm saying is that there's no way you should hear that buzzing, that loud, from that far away, on an ST60, period.

The ST60 came out approx. two months ago, and you bought it used ?? Do you have warranty on it ? Did you ever ask yourself (or the seller for that matter) WHY they were selling it so quickly ??

You can say and make yourself believe what you want, that's your choice, but your display is defective.
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Originally Posted by AKA View Post

Is the S64 close enough to be worth considering with the ST60, at least in terms of PQ?

I've seen differing opinions. I may have to simply see one in person to decide, at this rate.

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Originally Posted by Leon! View Post

50 shades of gradation.

You can't compare the S60/64 to the ST60 imo. It's in a whole different league. Just like you can't compare the ST to the VT, same deaI there (you can however compare a VT to a ZT based on the recent Shootout)

Between the S60/64, personally I'd get the S64, but the real deal (value for money) of 2013 is definitely the ST.

The VT's price is also decent for what you get imo.
post #4759 of 12345
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Originally Posted by bucknuts07 View Post

So for some crazy reason, even though I absolutely loved my st60 , I was at my 14 days, and decided I would take it back to try the samsung f7100 just so I was sure I made the right choice . So that was 12 noon today, I got home later tonight, hooked up the new Sammy led, no flash lighting , but the picture doesn't even come close to what I had been seeing with my st60, and the motion no matter what the setting, judders and skips at times. I boxed the sammy up within 2 hours, but now feel sick to my stomach for trading my st60 for this 7100. Will be calling best buy at 10 am tomm, to see if they still have myst60 . Hoping they didn't sell it as open box today. Led maybe for some people, but I can't get over how bad the motion is on these tvs

The F7100 was on my shortlist but after spending some time in front of it, I found that it wasn't for me for a number of reasons. I ended up pulling the trigger on a crazy OOB special LG LM9600 and I have 14 days to decide whether it is for me. So far it is proving more "plasma like" than the F7100, but I still have a lot of testing to do. For the money, I can't touch another LED at the quality level, but I have to figure out if I can live with its faults (they ALL have faults...). Different eyes tolerate motion issues at different levels. Not all LED sets are horrible with motion, but even the best will struggle to keep up with plasma. It's down to what you as a viewer can accept.

I for one think you did the right thing. We sit around an beat ourselves up reading this review and that review, and then we make numerous trips to various retailers to figure out if what we read matches up with what we saw, only to realize that it doesn't, so then back for another round of research and reading. Rinse. Lather. Repeat. The TRUTH is that we can make and educated decision, but we will never KNOW what works until we get it in the house and spend some time with it. That's been stated ad-nauseum here but it bears repeating. The LM9600 I'm toying with right now caught my eye because it was in a dimly lit area just outside of the Best Buy Magnolia darkened room. Had it been on "murderer's row" in amongst the myriad of other sets, I may not have given it a second glance. I got lucky because I caught it in moderate light within nothing else around to distract me. In the house, I'm liking ti so far, but I still have some work to do before I give it the ultimate Gladiator thumbs up/down (thought a movie reference might be nice there...).

I will say that if the LM9600 doesn't do it for me, the next set will be an ST60, input lag be d**ned. The picture quality of the LM is SOOOOO much better than what I came from that I'm now convinced that nothing else really matters. If I have to go buy a "cheap" 40" set to play games on, so be it. Panasonic has a winner here as far as Im concerned, especially at the price point. It will be a crying shame is they give up on the technology, because I've learned a lot (research isn't all bad...) and plasma is as viable today as it has ever been.
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Originally Posted by fierce_gt View Post

it may be the ugliest tv on the market today... when turned off.

i'm really not a fan of the silver. if you're going to do something 'fancy' like that then do it right (like on their LED displays). i would have greatly preferred a plain black bezel.

How noticeable is the chrome edging on the ST60's?

Is it enough of a hinderance to detract from its improvement over the ST50's performance?

I'm debating on if the ST60 is worth it over the ST50 & the last hurdle is this chrome edging
post #4761 of 12345
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Originally Posted by tripleM View Post

How noticeable is the chrome edging on the ST60's?

Is it enough of a hinderance to detract from its improvement over the ST50's performance?

I'm debating on if the ST60 is worth it over the ST50 & the last hurdle is this chrome edging

At first I thought the same before getting mine.

But now, it's not even a concern. Love the ST60 cool.gif
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Originally Posted by Leon! View Post

50 shades of gradation.

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Originally Posted by tripleM View Post

How noticeable is the chrome edging on the ST60's?

Is it enough of a hinderance to detract from its improvement over the ST50's performance?

I'm debating on if the ST60 is worth it over the ST50 & the last hurdle is this chrome edging

I have to say that as unimportant and downright superficial the aesthetics and "look" of a TV are in the grand scheme of things, and as much as I love the ST60s and their incredible bang for the buck, I'm with you guys on this one. In short: it's butt ugly (my personal opinion). The worst looking TV I have seen in this price range. The S60 is MUCH better looking, and my V10 is on a different league altogether. My wife's first reaction when she saw it at store was "that's horrible!". I agree: why the silver? You want to cut costs? Just do a black bezel! Classic, timeless, you can't go wrong with plain black. If you spend this kind of money you should ALSO enjoy a product when not in use.

Again, this is simply a comment on the aesthetics of the TV, and NOT, by any means, on its performance.
Edited by Esteban Medaglia - 5/20/13 at 11:30am
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Originally Posted by Blu_One View Post

I don't really understand what you're saying honestly, sorry.

All I'm saying is that there's no way you should hear that buzzing, that loud, from that far away, on an ST60, period.

The ST60 came out approx. two months ago, and you bought it used ?? Do you have warranty on it ? Did you ever ask yourself (or the seller for that matter) WHY they were selling it so quickly ??

You can say and make yourself believe what you want, that's your choice, but your display is defective.

The TV works fine, end of story. I'm done arguing about it.
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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post

The TV works fine, end of story. I'm done arguing about it.
Enjoy. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post

The TV works fine, end of story. I'm done arguing about it.

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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Enjoy. smile.gif

+1 I guess

Enjoy your 2 month old used set buddy.. there's a reason why someone sold it so quickly, although I don't know why they wouldn't have dealt w the Panasonic warranty.. Anyways good luck w that.
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Ok so after a few days with the Darbee hooked up to my 60ST60 here is what I have found.

The Darbee seems to change the contrast of the picture in a certain way that adds apparent sharpness and clarity. Sometimes making the image "pop" a bit more. It does so in a way that does not seems to introduce any extra artifacts. It will however enhance whatever the display is showing (including any source based artifacts and noise). The better the source quality, the better the results.

Dialing in the Darbee to the right % amount is important. Setting it too high results in a unnatural looking picture. When set at a moderate level the Darbee adds a subtle amount of extra clarity to the picture without looking too enhanced, and also keeps it from bringing out any potential flaws such as noise and artifacts to a noticeable degree. It can very noticeably help bring out nuances and details such as facial features like wrinkles and hair as well as giving slightly more detail to certain backgrounds.

I did not notice any negative effect on things like color or shadow detail.

With bluray content the Darbee is at its best. Animated content really pops with the Darbee. I have not had a chance to test 3D.

With cable content I found the high def setting at between 40 to 55% best. Certain blurays you can dial up a bit higher (60-65%), especially animated content.

So is the juice worth the squeeze at over $300?...

Honestly I was actually expecting a little more out of the Darbee, and even wondered if it was worth keeping or returning (and puting the money towards a pro cal.). But after putting my (potentially overblown) expectations in line, and I compared still shots with the Darbee on and off I have decided that it adds enough to the picture that I don't want to give it up. It helps to squeeze a bit more PQ out of an already great display.

I think the level of effectiveness of the Darbee will vary from display to display. If I decide to do a true home theater in the future I know it will really help with a projector.

This is just my non-proffesional opinion!
Edited by wattheF - 5/20/13 at 11:02am
post #4768 of 12345
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Originally Posted by Esteban Medaglia View Post

I have to say that as unimportant and downright superficial the aesthetics and "look" of a TV is in the grand scheme of things, and as much as I love the ST60s and its incredible bang for the buck, I'm with you guys on this one. In short: it's butt ugly (my personal opinion). The worst looking TV I have seen in this price range. The S60 is MUCH better looking, and my V10 is on a different league altogether. My wife's first reaction when she saw it at store was "that's horrible!". I agree: why the silver? You want to cut costs? Just do a black bezel! Classic, timeless, you can't go wrong with plain black. If you spend this kind of money you should ALSO enjoy a product when not in use.

Again, this is simply a comment on the aesthetics of the TV, and NOT, by any means, on its performance.

Unfortunately - you summed it up there: the Wife has a say...in how it will look in the decor schema.

That said, I know this is the ST60 thread - but will I miss anything if I get last year's ST50 model beside the sharper picture, a few more settings capabilities & the chrome bezel edging of the ST60?
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

Ok so after a few days with the Darbee hooked up to my 60ST60 here is what I have found.

The Darbee seems to change the contrast of the picture in a certain way that adds apparent sharpness and clarity. Sometimes making the image "pop" a bit more. It does so in a way that does not seems to introduce any extra artifacts. It will however enhance whatever the display is showing (including any source based artifacts and noise). The better the source quality, the better the results.

Dialing in the Darbee to the right % amount is important. Setting it too high results in a unnatural looking picture. When set at a moderate level the Darbee adds a subtle amount of extra clarity to the picture without looking too enhanced, and also keeps it from bringing out any potential flaws such as noise and artifacts to a noticeable degree. It can very noticeably help bring out nuances and details such as facial features like wrinkles and hair as well as giving slightly more detail to certain backgrounds.

I did not notice any negative effect on things like color or shadow detail.

With bluray content the Darbee is at its best. Animated content really pops with the Darbee. I have not had a chance to test 3D.

With cable content I found the high def setting at between 40 to 55% best. Certain blurays you can dial up a bit higher (60-65%), especially animated content.

So is the juice worth the squeeze at over $300?...I can only say MAYBE. I was actually expecting a little more out of the Darbee, and even wondered if it was worth keeping or returning (and puting the money towards a pro cal.). But after putting my (potentially overblown) expectations in line, and compared still shots with the Darbee on and off I have decided that it adds enough to the picture that I don't want to give it up. It helps to squeeze a bit more PQ out of an already great display.

I think the level of effectiveness of the Darbee will vary from display to display. If I decide to do a true home theater in the future I know it will really help with a projector.

This is just my non-proffesional opinion!

Nice review ! smile.gif

I agree, nothing else to add. I love the Darbee cool.gif

Don't forget you can go into the advanced settings in the on-screen menu and change the % adjustment to 1% increments instead of the standard 5. Gives you a bit more flexibility when tweaking it biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Blu_One View Post

Nice review ! smile.gif

I agree, nothing else to add. I love the Darbee cool.gif

Don't forget you can go into the advanced settings in the on-screen menu and change the % adjustment to 1% increments instead of the standard 5. Gives you a bit more flexibility when tweaking it biggrin.gif

Thanks

Good point. I haven't tryed that yet
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