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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

I sensitive to motion smoothing, so if turned off how does it look?

In 3D with MS off you get lots of crosstalk and a very poor experience...on medium the picture will hold together pretty well and movement still seems natural unlike 2D with MS on medium, which just looks plain weird. I havent done much 3D but so far with animation I like it set to high, with live action actors medium.
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IMO, SOE is the same in both 2D and 3D. 3D isn't that good on the ST60. Even disregarding the cross talk, it flickers a lot more because of the lower resolution, especially on foreground objects.
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really thinking bout the 55inch cept the 60inchs only like 150 more lol.........but its prly 2 big for my room......why do they do that.......
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Originally Posted by AKA View Post

Doesn't the same hold true if you break in the set with content instead of the slides, for the first 100 hours?

I would think so, yes.
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Ok i take back what i said. Avatar 3d bluray actually works pretty good.

Half sbs on my htpc suck but i would not blame the tv for that.
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Originally Posted by mikoyv View Post

I also played 3D Grand Turismo 5 and it seems to work. Not much 3D ness in the game itself i guess.

BTW, using DNICE settings too smile.gif I noticed if you are in 3D mode its a different set of settings. Was surprised everything dimmed when I enabled 3D. Only to find out it was in "Standard" mode! lol

Ok I will try a bluray 3d on my ps3 which is directly connected to my tv.
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Can anyone tell me if the ST60 does well with OTA and HD cable sources? Last year's ST50 (i own the 65ST50) had very poor de-interlacing and thus put out a soft picture when watching tv channels. Blu rays and SD DVDs were great though. I particularly would love to hear from owners that have owned/ own both sets and thus have been able to make a comparison.

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

Can anyone tell me if the ST60 does well with OTA and HD cable sources? Last year's ST50 (i own the 65ST50) had very poor de-interlacing and thus put out a soft picture when watching tv channels. Blu rays and SD DVDs were great though. I particularly would love to hear from owners that have owned/ own both sets and thus have been able to make a comparison.

Thanks!

I owned a GT50 and agree that the PQ with HD cable was soft overall. But some channels looked great while others not so much. It was picky in that way.

The ST60 has a noticeably sharper picture with HD Cable. It is still a little bit "picky" but overall it is much crisper. I believe they used a different video processing chip made by Mediatek.

I love my ST60
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

Was just discussing this with a couple forum members, here http://www.avsforum.com/t/1467481/official-st60-input-lag-thread/570#post_23348313

I went back and forth the other day between on and off and couldn't see a difference. But this was from 10' away. I haven't looked up closer yet.
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Originally Posted by Spacetronaut View Post

really thinking bout the 55inch cept the 60inchs only like 150 more lol.........but its prly 2 big for my room......why do they do that.......

Make it fit!
post #5020 of 12340
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Originally Posted by mikoyv View Post

The 3d is so bad its unusable. I hope a firmware update can fix this.



you've probably (purposely or accidentally) changed a setting.


if "game mode" is on. the 3d will look absolutely horrible. flashy, and ghosty.


i have the 60st60... and the 3d is jaw dropping. in fact, my mom, and grandparents are over right now, downstairs laughing their ass off, becuase they think this giant Cod is going to come out of the screen. its pretty amazing, and highly underrated.


that said. the 3d is as good as the 65gt50 i had last year....


i keep MOTION SMOOTH on MID.... or it gets goofy a bit.
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So I assume I'm alone with having Youtube constantly bufferering? So weird, cause for the first month I owned this set it worked perfect. I had missed a few TV programs on TV, and later they were posted on Youtube. It was so nice to just launch the app and watch the program. All of a sudden yesterday, something changed and it can't stream it normally???
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ok real quick....


i do LOVE how there are a ton of WAY MORE experienced users on here than me... and i mean that sincerely, as i am a videophile noob

THAT SAID


anyone who says the 3d on the ST60 "isn't great", or, "isn't as good as TV X or Y".... you're lying through your teeth,.


and i'm guessing you're doing so, just to pretend that you notice some effect that no one else on earth notices, except the other people in your little '3d' cult club.


and THAT, i also mean sincerely. as i've seen 3d on my last 65gt50...which i only had for a short period... the 60st60, and the vizio razor led 70" (passive 3d)....... extensively...

that said, i've also seen 3d, for shorter periods of time, like on the store displays of some of the high end tv's that costs 3-4k... and NONE has been better than the ST60.... and i don't mean the ST60 is better than them, in saying that, i mean that the ST60, and other TV's, all seem to have comparable 3d effect.


and if by 'worse 3d', you mean, that little dull 3d effect that doesn't work as intended once every 20 minuets... then that's just INSANE perfectionism. and no one on earth could care.


and for those wondering about the st60's 3d in general, we watched imax under the sea 3 last night, and my wife got motion sickness, and had to stop because it was so epic. (yes i did a bad thing by interrupting the slides for 41minutes) couldn't resist! lol
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Originally Posted by ecpackers View Post

ok real quick....


i do LOVE how there are a ton of WAY MORE experienced users on here than me... and i mean that sincerely, as i am a videophile noob

THAT SAID


anyone who says the 3d on the ST60 "isn't great", or, "isn't as good as TV X or Y".... you're lying through your teeth,.


and i'm guessing you're doing so, just to pretend that you notice some effect that no one else on earth notices, except the other people in your little '3d' cult club.


and THAT, i also mean sincerely. as i've seen 3d on my last 65gt50...which i only had for a short period... the 60st60, and the vizio razor led 70" (passive 3d)....... extensively...

that said, i've also seen 3d, for shorter periods of time, like on the store displays of some of the high end tv's that costs 3-4k... and NONE has been better than the ST60.... and i don't mean the ST60 is better than them, in saying that, i mean that the ST60, and other TV's, all seem to have comparable 3d effect.


and if by 'worse 3d', you mean, that little dull 3d effect that doesn't work as intended once every 20 minuets... then that's just INSANE perfectionism. and no one on earth could care.


and for those wondering about the st60's 3d in general, we watched imax under the sea 3 last night, and my wife got motion sickness, and had to stop because it was so epic. (yes i did a bad thing by interrupting the slides for 41minutes) couldn't resist! lol

Not really. Maybe I just have better attention to detail than some folks, but there is a noticeable difference in the 3D on the ST60 vs the F8500. The 3D is ok on the ST60, it isn't mind blowing and again, because of the half resolution interpolation every other frame that Panny does, thin objects in the foreground tend to shimmer. A lot. It isn't pleasant. Plus, in native frame rate, 3D looks terrible in motion with a ton of judder and flicker. Motion smoothing helps, and I rather like the SOE effect on it, but motion still flickers a lot more on the ST60 than on the F8500. Of course, we're talking a completely different brand and a TV that costs $1k more, but I see the differences clearly.

The ST60 has one of the worst 3D ratings in years.
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How is the black level in 3D on the ST60? I know my UT50 is really disappointing to me with its contrast in 3d. It's actually pretty awful! A movie like Hugo is very unsatisfying in 3d with the black level being so much lighter than in 2D. Is it the same this year too?
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Originally Posted by ecpackers View Post

ok real quick....


i do LOVE how there are a ton of WAY MORE experienced users on here than me... and i mean that sincerely, as i am a videophile noob

THAT SAID
Welcome to AVS. smile.gif

As a new member, I assume you read the rules before you started posting. Based on this post, I think it would be a good idea to read them again. smile.gif.
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Originally Posted by qsilvertwo View Post

How is the black level in 3D on the ST60? I know my UT50 is really disappointing to me with its contrast in 3d. It's actually pretty awful! A movie like Hugo is very unsatisfying in 3d with the black level being so much lighter than in 2D. Is it the same this year too?

Have you tried adjusting the settings in 3D mode? 3D and 2D have two completely different sets of settings. So if your blacks aren't deep enough and your whites not high enough, you'll lose contrast. ST60 had good color reproduction in 3D after it was adjusted, but the 3D on a ST60 has other drawbacks. Still, it was decent when I used it.
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Originally Posted by KJ911TT View Post

Me too. CNET settings were super green.

DNice settings seemed to be a bit too red and a little dim.

I lowered the Gamma to 2.2, lowered temp to "Warm 1" and reduced the red a bit more and it looks perfect for me now.
try cadett's settings, his worked best for me.
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Originally Posted by Moonchilde View Post



The ST60 has one of the worst 3D ratings in years.


Actually a lot of the reviews are pretty good for 3D, and those that have read tjhe good ones know you MUST enable the MS function to mid or high.... the bad ones like Cnets are very short, and usually contain something along the lines of "who really cares about 3D anyway" leading me to assume they plugged in their 2d settings and did little to adjust, ie Cnets horrible crosstalk problem, in 2D motion smoother off or very low....so in 3D I doubt they cranked it up and thus had a horrible 3D experience.

I'm not happy at all with my ST60 at present because I have an extreme abnormal dithering problem...3D is much more enjoyable at present for me because the glasses filter out a good bit of the excessive noise.


Of course all the reviews talk about a fantastic overall picture with incredible detail and my set blows....dark scenes and shadow deatail are marred by millions of fast moving super bright green dots easily seen from over double normal recomended viewing distance on ALL sources in my case....hopefully that will all get sorted out soon though.
Edited by mattf0124 - 5/23/13 at 11:52pm
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Green is being overdriven then.

3D is ok, but compared to the other sets it's on the lower end of the spectrum. Saying it's one of the worst 3D plasmas doesn't mean it's crap, it just means it isn't as good as the others.
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Originally Posted by Heywould View Post

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I would think so, yes.

I don't doubt that this is the case, but a quick search shows a lot of conflicting information, even here. Seems that quite a few people don't understand the point of the process or why it's important to follow the process as outlined.
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Originally Posted by qsilvertwo View Post

How is the black level in 3D on the ST60? I know my UT50 is really disappointing to me with its contrast in 3d. It's actually pretty awful! A movie like Hugo is very unsatisfying in 3d with the black level being so much lighter than in 2D. Is it the same this year too?

I did notice the black levels were not as good in 3D as 2D on the 50 series sets as well. This seems natural to me as the panel is pushing out a lot more light to compensate for the dark glasses. But adjusting the settings did help with this. Having said that I noticed a big improvement over the GT50 on my ST60 in this area.

The ST60 maintains it black levels very well in 3D and when you put on the glasses (which darkens it further) the perceived black level is about the same as in 2D, or at least fairly close from what I have seen. And this is with minimal setting adjustments. I'm sure this could be improved upon further with a calibration.
Edited by wattheF - 5/24/13 at 8:08am
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Anyone have good 3D settings that they can suggest for me to plug in? Thanks.
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Welcome to AVS. smile.gif

As a new member, I assume you read the rules before you started posting. Based on this post, I think it would be a good idea to read them again. smile.gif.
LOL, that is funny right there. I guess I should read them myself............
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Welcome to AVS. smile.gif

As a new member, I assume you read the rules before you started posting. Based on this post, I think it would be a good idea to read them again. smile.gif.


i didn't. i'm a member of many forums, and the rules generally seem to all be the same,

'dont swear, dont troll, dont ridicule, dont incite riot....
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Originally Posted by Moonchilde View Post

Green is being overdriven then.

3D is ok, but compared to the other sets it's on the lower end of the spectrum. Saying it's one of the worst 3D plasmas doesn't mean it's crap, it just means it isn't as good as the others.

My point is the reviews that dont take the "who cares about 3D anyway" appraoch and actually dive deep into setting it up correctly often give the 3D a very good review and several reviews mention 3D in the pro list not the con list in the breakdown at the end of the review.
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Hi
My P60ST60 60-Inch TV is being delivered today. Yaa! Considering a professional calibration. How much does it cost and how do u find these guys?
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Originally Posted by rishi76 View Post


Oh, that's good to know. I will try resetting. I tried a new HDMI cable yesterday, but that didn't make any difference.

Anyone else having issue with ARC, or using it successfully, esp with Onkyo receivers?

I got the new cable today and it still didn't work. As a last resort I tried the home theater setting someone else on here mentioned and that's the one, ARC now works fine.

Make sure ARC and HDMI control for the TV and receiver are on then go to apps on the TV, select Viera link at the top and set speaker output to home theater. That should work.

I didn't want to have to do that because I use the TV speakers for DVD editing sometimes but that's the only ARC works reliably.
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Welcome to AVS. smile.gif

As a new member, I assume you read the rules before you started posting. Based on this post, I think it would be a good idea to read them again. smile.gif.
LOL, that is funny right there. I guess I should read them myself............
Nope. You don't need to read them. You come by your interpersonal behavior naturally. smile.gif
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Gaming lag, can you really tell??

I've read both, big lag, and non-issue.....

20-40% viewing for me would be gaming, Xbox 360 driving games.

I looked at a ST60 yesterday, looks fantastic. But I am wondering if the lag people talk about is a big issue. (and the VT is big price jump)
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Good question, I'm wondering the same thing
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