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post #5131 of 12326
It's a method from Panasonic...only David Mackenzie say that, i believe him because it really doesn't complete 1080p. Obviously a brand like panasonic never gonna say: no, we don't have a FULL HD 3D Panel.

My GT50 said that too...that doesn't mean it will do a FULL HD 3D in test.
post #5132 of 12326
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I did have some bad IR playing a game for about 2 hours (the HUD was clearly visible on a light color screen). Maybe it's not the 2 hours session that did it but the repetition of 1-2 hours sessions during the week. Who knows...
It's gone now with watching normal TV but it's pretty worrisome that we have IR this fast...

I'm OK with getting the retention, but it's not coming off as fast as I think it should. Ran the orbital 4 hours while I was gone. Came back & it was just as pronounced, heck I think it even enhanced it more.
post #5133 of 12326
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If you say so. My 60ST50 says Full HD 3D on the front of it. Is that just marketing hype?

Yes, it pretty much is marketing hype.
post #5134 of 12326
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I'm OK with getting the retention, but it's not coming off as fast as I think it should. Ran the orbital 4 hours while I was gone. Came back & it was just as pronounced, heck I think it even enhanced it more.

Pixel Flipper. Get it.
post #5135 of 12326
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Has anyone gotten severe image retention on this set & was able to remove it? Had ESPN on yesterday for about 3-4 hours & noticed today on a white screen that it had a clear ESPN logo still visible.

I did have some bad IR playing a game for about 2 hours (the HUD was clearly visible on a light color screen). Maybe it's not the 2 hours session that did it but the repetition of 1-2 hours sessions during the week. Who knows...
It's gone now with watching normal TV but it's pretty worrisome that we have IR this fast...
Many know that repeating the same fixed image over several sessions will increase the chances of IR. Of course it depends on what's being watched between sessions. Just turning the TV off won't slow down IR.

You used the solution I like best. Just mix the sources you watch and the IR will go away. biggrin.gif
post #5136 of 12326
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

If you say so. My 60ST50 says Full HD 3D on the front of it. Is that just marketing hype?

Yes, it pretty much is marketing hype.
There was a similar thing going on with 720p DLP RPTV sets. I would have to look up the exact details, but it amounted to the chip having half the required number of micro mirrors to do a 720p image. One micro mirror would project two adjacent pixels. It seemed to work for most people because the micro mirrors flipped something like 20,000 times a second (memory alert). A few people couldn't stand that idea.
post #5137 of 12326
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I'm OK with getting the retention, but it's not coming off as fast as I think it should. Ran the orbital 4 hours while I was gone. Came back & it was just as pronounced, heck I think it even enhanced it more.

Pixel Flipper. Get it.
If you can't see the IR during normal program viewing, just avoid the fixed image that caused it until you can no longer see it with what ever you are using to spot it. Moderation is all things IR can work. wink.gif
post #5138 of 12326
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Originally Posted by taysam View Post

I don't see where I can change the hz. I have Comcast cable and the signal is 1080i. It does look like a "catch up". It is very noticeable.

It could be a MER issue with your channel also. Is it doing it on every channel? You can always turn off the box and hit the OK button on your remote within 3 seconds of turning it off. Depending on your box go down to the In Band selection and take a look at your SNR of the channel. If it's sitting above 35 you should be ok, if it's dipping down below that you could see some impact. I know the Pace DVR's had a lot of issues so it could be the box too. I haven't seen that issue before though.
post #5139 of 12326
Don't worry Its just IR not image burn in, it will go away , I have left by accident a plasma turn on all night with a movie screen menu and I never have a burn in on my plasma just a IR that will fade away after I watch something outs.Its really hard to burn a plasma this days ,you will have to stress that plasma with the same image for very long time I mean days or months.wink.gif
post #5140 of 12326
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Originally Posted by Moonchilde View Post

Yes, it pretty much is marketing hype.
Bummer.
post #5141 of 12326
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

Don't worry Its just IR not image burn in, it will go away , I have left by accident a plasma turn on all night with a movie screen menu and I never have a burn in on my plasma just a IR that will fade away after I watch something outs.Its really hard to burn a plasma this days ,you will have to stress that plasma with the same image for very long time I mean days or months.wink.gif

I'm not worry about burn in but I don't wanna have to baby my tv. I don't think I ask too much if I wanna play a game each day of the week for 1 or 2 hours or wanna watch football all day long on sunday...
post #5142 of 12326
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I'm OK with getting the retention, but it's not coming off as fast as I think it should. Ran the orbital 4 hours while I was gone. Came back & it was just as pronounced, heck I think it even enhanced it more.
With the IR I got on this TV, again just watching FOX Sports for about 1.5 hours, the screen wipe did not remove it or lessen it. Running slides over night did absolutely nothing as well. The only thing that worked was using the Disney WOW pixel flipper and it needed to be run overnight to completely remove anything. Just a couple of hours of running it did not remove it. I also had the same bad IR with the Panasonic Viera Menu. The word Menu stuck around for days before I was able to completely remove it.

Like you said, IR is fine and I expected it to at least disappear within seconds or at at the most a few minutes but for it to stick around for days even after watching hours and hours of full screen content and it only getting removed with the WOW disc was a little worrisome for me.

If this was my bedroom TV which does not get much use at all and would just be watched by my wife and me, I think it would be fine but this is my family TV. It will be on for hours and hours a day. Kids like to watch the same thing over and over and again. I did not want to worry about what was left on the TV and for how long. I did not want to worry about stretching the picture for certain channels. I didn't want to have to write out an instruction booklet for my wife so she knew what she can and cannot do. If you are willing to baby this TV it is amazing. Even with the sacrifices I still question if I should have kept it. lol

For those complaining about the 3D and it being true 1080p, I will say DVD's looked amazing in 3D. Even 3net looked really good. The field of depth was one of the best I have seen and the clarity was neven in question. What did not look good was streaming 3d movies from Vudu or a 3d movie I had on my usb drive. The content had a lot of shimmering going on and it was just hard to watch. I tried messing with every setting and nothing would make it better. I do not know if this was due to the resolution the 3d puts out but I tested this content with my es7500 and was able to watch it just fine without any shimmering.

Besides that certain content that did not look good on the ST60, I think blu-rays actually looked better on the ST60 with more depth then it does on my es7500 from what I can remember of it. Also, with the es7500 when you change the 3D for more popout it shrinks the picture in from the sides so the more popout you want the smaller the picture gets. With the ST60, I do not remember the picture shrinking in from the sides and I believe it kept the same screen size. Of course on the es7500 you do not have to turn on any motion smoothing.

For the amount of 3D I watch it became less and less important to me and I became more interested in other qualities of the TV instead even though the reason for purchasing a new TV in the first place was I wanted something with 3D. HA! There is just not enough 3D content out there to really enjoy it and a lot of things that are in 3D are just terrible and I wouldn't waste my time watching it as the 3D adds absolutely no value to the show or movie at all. If you have DirectTV their are two 3D channels. One is 3net and it plays the same things over for months and most of it just sucks. It is terrible documentaries and stuff. The other is I believe an ESPN 3d channel. It has old replays of sporting events that no one could care less about and the quality of the 3d stream on that station is terrible.

I think the point I am trying to make is I would not purchase a TV based on it's 3D qualities at this time. If everything else is what you are looking for don't let the 3D sway you otherwise. When you want to watch that 3D blu-ray once a month it will take care of you just fine. Once you impress your friends once with 3D, you will need to enjoy the rest of the TV! lol
post #5143 of 12326
This is the same IR i have on ST50.

ST60 is not better then ST50 for IR.
post #5144 of 12326
I'm a big hockey fan..... looking to purchase a ST60 ...

What Custom settings are you using to get best PQ..

What default settings are best..

Thanks.
post #5145 of 12326
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Originally Posted by JohneCanuck View Post

I'm a big hockey fan..... looking to purchase a ST60 ...

What Custom settings are you using to get best PQ..

What default settings are best..

Thanks.

I always use D-Nice's settings in custom mode, or sometimes CNET's settings in cinema mode.

Hockey looks great, I watch A LOT of games..
post #5146 of 12326
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

I'm OK with getting the retention, but it's not coming off as fast as I think it should. Ran the orbital 4 hours while I was gone. Came back & it was just as pronounced, heck I think it even enhanced it more.

Run pixel flipper or wait, either way it will fade away in a short time. Some panels are more susceptible to moderate retention with ESPN, CNN, etc. - I'm on my third ST60 and one of the panels I had was very quick to retain the static images from these types of channels but it always cleared up . . . the panel that was quick to retain took the longest to clear, but it always went away in time. If it isn't very noticeable, just watching any HD source will suffice, it will fade in a day or two. I would avoid that channel for a time though if you can - no need aggravating the same pixels longer. By the way, I plugged in your settings last night on custom - they're great! Thanks!
post #5147 of 12326
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Originally Posted by devilish69 View Post

Run pixel flipper or wait, either way it will fade away in a short time. Some panels are more susceptible to moderate retention with ESPN, CNN, etc. - I'm on my third ST60 and one of the panels I had was very quick to retain the static images from these types of channels but it always cleared up . . . the panel that was quick to retain took the longest to clear, but it always went away in time. If it isn't very noticeable, just watching any HD source will suffice, it will fade in a day or two. I would avoid that channel for a time though if you can - no need aggravating the same pixels longer. By the way, I plugged in your settings last night on custom - they're great! Thanks!

CNN is a killer you would think these channels would learn to make there static logos as an overlay instead of reversed out there are channels that overlay their stuff you can still see the logo but you don't get IR
Edited by bargervais - 5/27/13 at 11:08am
post #5148 of 12326
I have played games for a couple hours at a time, watched a few hockey games and movies with the bars and have not had IR once yet.

Guess I have a decent panel?
post #5149 of 12326
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Originally Posted by Hearzy View Post

I have played games for a couple hours at a time, watched a few hockey games and movies with the bars and have not had IR once yet.

Guess I have a decent panel?

What do you see on full-screen solid color images like RGB(70,70,70) and RGB(0,128,0)?
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removing duplicate content.
Edited by JohneCanuck - 5/27/13 at 12:23pm
post #5151 of 12326
from Habs town ...... Montreal

Still smarting from the Senators smackdown on my Habs...

I'm an LCD guy for ... now.....and used to bright ice image.

From what I've read , the ST60 is supposed to be 'brighter' than the Samsung PN60E6500.. ( and for that matter the ST50 ) ....... While at a local BB store, I was able to do a side-by-side comparison while watching the Pittsburgh - Ottawa game.. The ST60 was on VIVID .. I don't recall the setting on the E6500..... yet the E6500 was brighter than the ST60... I was quite surprised to see this....

My e-mail address is skica@ca.ibm.com....... if I can call you to discuss further , send me an e-mail with your phone number....

Thanks...
post #5152 of 12326
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What do you see on full-screen solid color images like RGB(70,70,70) and RGB(0,128,0)?

I am running slides currently (D-Nice) and do not have any signs of IR.

Not sure what you mean by anything else. Default settings, contrast is at 100% and has been during all the above i mentioned...
post #5153 of 12326
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I have played games for a couple hours at a time, watched a few hockey games and movies with the bars and have not had IR once yet.

Guess I have a decent panel?

What do you see on full-screen solid color images like RGB(70,70,70) and RGB(0,128,0)?
My guess is that Hearzy doesn't bother to check for IR in that way. If you don't constantly watch material with the same fixed image, and you don't constantly check for IR with solid color slides, then IR will come and go at it's own speed and you won't be bothered by it. smile.gif
post #5154 of 12326
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

My guess is that Hearzy doesn't bother to check for IR in that way. If you don't constantly watch material with the same fixed image, and you don't constantly check for IR with solid color slides, then IR will come and go at it's own speed and you won't be bothered by it. smile.gif

Yeah, what he said.... smile.gif

Dont really know what you are saying.. but all I am saying is I have not noticed any lingering 'shadows' when i change the channel/program.

How else do you look for it?
post #5155 of 12326
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Originally Posted by Moonchilde View Post

Pixel Flipper. Get it.
I actually have the WOW disk, but the PS3 kept rejecting it for some reason. The disk is clean with no scratches, but it wouldn't play. After several attempts I finally got it to load. Ran the tool over night & it seemed to help, but the retention is still there. Going to avoid ESPN on this set for a while. Hopefully it will eventually fade.
post #5156 of 12326
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

If you can't see the IR during normal program viewing, just avoid the fixed image that caused it until you can no longer see it with what ever you are using to spot it. Moderation is all things IR can work. wink.gif
That's the plan, thanks. Will report back if it disappears.
post #5157 of 12326
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Originally Posted by devilish69 View Post

Run pixel flipper or wait, either way it will fade away in a short time. Some panels are more susceptible to moderate retention with ESPN, CNN, etc. - I'm on my third ST60 and one of the panels I had was very quick to retain the static images from these types of channels but it always cleared up . . . the panel that was quick to retain took the longest to clear, but it always went away in time. If it isn't very noticeable, just watching any HD source will suffice, it will fade in a day or two. I would avoid that channel for a time though if you can - no need aggravating the same pixels longer. By the way, I plugged in your settings last night on custom - they're great! Thanks!

Ran it over night & still there. SMH. I watched the LSU/Vanderbilt game in the bedroom due to the retention. Wasn't happy, but the Tigers won, so it helped me forget about it. No problem on the settings. I actually recalibrated last night, due to the drift that has been reported & I have a new set of settings that I'll release in a little while.
post #5158 of 12326
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Originally Posted by Hearzy View Post

I have played games for a couple hours at a time, watched a few hockey games and movies with the bars and have not had IR once yet.

Guess I have a decent panel?

What do you see on full-screen solid color images like RGB(70,70,70) and RGB(0,128,0)?
My guess is that Hearzy doesn't bother to check for IR in that way. If you don't constantly watch material with the same fixed image, and you don't constantly check for IR with solid color slides, then IR will come and go at it's own speed and you won't be bothered by it. smile.gif

Except when you notice it in large areas of solid color like in Family Guy, blue skies in real world content, etc. I simply don't believe any of these TVs are completely immune to IR, particularly the Viera Menu text for anyone who's spent more than a few minutes in the menus. I agree it isn't a huge problem, but it is quickly acquired and slower to dissipate.

For the two ST60s and one S60 I've had in my house, IR was a lot less bothersome than the rainbows, which I often see when I shift my focus from faces and hands that are set against dark backgrounds, or more generally any high contrast region where the brighter area has red in it, which of course includes whites. Mad Men has been pretty bad about it (I just started season 2), but I see it in a wide variety of material. It's interesting. I can fix my focus on an object and move my head around, and the image will be completely stable. OTOH, if I keep my head still and move my eyes, or I move my head and allow my eyes to follow the head movements, I get rainbows, which are bright flashes with multiple colors. I'm talking about small movements, like 20% of the screen width or height will trigger it. I don't get this on LCDs; sometimes I can observe a much fainter afterimage of bright white areas when I shift my focus, but that's it. I'm trying to train myself to keep my eyes more still and not to notice it so much, but this has been going on for a couple of months, and I now own the ST60. It's not ruining the TV for me or anything, but it is by far the worst ongoing problem I have with it.
post #5159 of 12326
In terms of looking for IR it seems that it really should only matter if you notice it during normal viewing. Not using special test slides. My old THZ PZ700U would get IR. But it was only something I noticed if the screen blacked out and even then any IR I got would go away relatively quickly
post #5160 of 12326
This television is the greatest value on the planet right now.
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