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post #5161 of 12344
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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post

Except when you notice it in large areas of solid color like in Family Guy, blue skies in real world content, etc. I simply don't believe any of these TVs are completely immune to IR, particularly the Viera Menu text for anyone who's spent more than a few minutes in the menus. I agree it isn't a huge problem, but it is quickly acquired and slower to dissipate.

For the two ST60s and one S60 I've had in my house, IR was a lot less bothersome than the rainbows, which I often see when I shift my focus from faces and hands that are set against dark backgrounds, or more generally any high contrast region where the brighter area has red in it, which of course includes whites. Mad Men has been pretty bad about it (I just started season 2), but I see it in a wide variety of material. It's interesting. I can fix my focus on an object and move my head around, and the image will be completely stable. OTOH, if I keep my head still and move my eyes, or I move my head and allow my eyes to follow the head movements, I get rainbows, which are bright flashes with multiple colors. I'm talking about small movements, like 20% of the screen width or height will trigger it. I don't get this on LCDs; sometimes I can observe a much fainter afterimage of bright white areas when I shift my focus, but that's it. I'm trying to train myself to keep my eyes more still and not to notice it so much, but this has been going on for a couple of months, and I now own the ST60. It's not ruining the TV for me or anything, but it is by far the worst ongoing problem I have with it.

haha damn Im about to pull the trigger on the ST60. But jeez i really hate these forums sometimes. I always go proceed to do more research and then there always seems to be a bunch of issues even with one of the best bang for your buck tvs out there. Its pretty discouraging. I don't recall ever noticing this in my panasonic THZPZ700U. Is it common for a lot of people to notice?

After hearing about IR, Input lag and now this its like ugh should I actually get this
post #5162 of 12344
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Originally Posted by Hearzy View Post

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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

My guess is that Hearzy doesn't bother to check for IR in that way. If you don't constantly watch material with the same fixed image, and you don't constantly check for IR with solid color slides, then IR will come and go at it's own speed and you won't be bothered by it. smile.gif

Yeah, what he said.... smile.gif

Dont really know what you are saying.. but all I am saying is I have not noticed any lingering 'shadows' when i change the channel/program.

How else do you look for it?
Some people check their screen any time that they think there might be IR. They use slides with various shades of red, green and blue to detect IR that they otherwise can't see.

Others don't worry about IR unless they notice a fixed image lingering when they watch a different program.

If someone watches a variety of program material, and doesn't use slides to check for IR, they probably wont see any IR. If you start seeing IR when you watch normal programs, then it's time to cut back on watching the program or channel that is causing the IR. That's all you need to do to enjoy a plasma. smile.gif
post #5163 of 12344
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Originally Posted by sealteamz6 View Post

haha damn Im about to pull the trigger on the ST60. But jeez i really hate these forums sometimes. I always go proceed to do more research and then there always seems to be a bunch of issues even with one of the best bang for your buck tvs out there. Its pretty discouraging. I don't recall ever noticing this in my panasonic THZPZ700U. Is it common for a lot of people to notice?

After hearing about IR, Input lag and now this its like ugh should I actually get this

The time it takes the human eye to blink is 300 ms, try blinking once, do you really think a meager 40 to 60 ms of input lag is going to cost you your life?
post #5164 of 12344
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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post

Except when you notice it in large areas of solid color like in Family Guy, blue skies in real world content, etc. I simply don't believe any of these TVs are completely immune to IR, particularly the Viera Menu text for anyone who's spent more than a few minutes in the menus. I agree it isn't a huge problem, but it is quickly acquired and slower to dissipate.
It's a problem in your case because you are seeing IR in a program that you're watching. Can you tell where the IR came from?
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For the two ST60s and one S60 I've had in my house, IR was a lot less bothersome than the rainbows, which I often see when I shift my focus from faces and hands that are set against dark backgrounds, or more generally any high contrast region where the brighter area has red in it, which of course includes whites. Mad Men has been pretty bad about it (I just started season 2), but I see it in a wide variety of material.
You are a member of a small group of people who see trailing flashes of colors on plasma panels. It's a type of eye sight that can be very uncomfortable watching a plasma screen.
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It's interesting. I can fix my focus on an object and move my head around, and the image will be completely stable. OTOH, if I keep my head still and move my eyes, or I move my head and allow my eyes to follow the head movements, I get rainbows, which are bright flashes with multiple colors. I'm talking about small movements, like 20% of the screen width or height will trigger it.
Some people don't mind living with a plasma set and color flashes, but others stick to LCD displays.
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I don't get this on LCDs; sometimes I can observe a much fainter afterimage of bright white areas when I shift my focus, but that's it. I'm trying to train myself to keep my eyes more still and not to notice it so much, but this has been going on for a couple of months, and I now own the ST60. It's not ruining the TV for me or anything, but it is by far the worst ongoing problem I have with it.
There are a small group that have a similar problem with DLP technology. Eye movement can make it worse.
post #5165 of 12344
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Originally Posted by Sasquatch321 View Post

The time it takes the human eye to blink is 300 ms, try blinking once, do you really think a meager 40 to 60 ms of input lag is going to cost you your life?

haha you make a very good point. The problem is since in many cases it is hard to test for yourself. And then you go on these forums for research and then you find all these things people are reporting as wrong. Chances are they are the minority and or OCD or uber picky. Which there is nothing wrong with. But it tends to cause indecisive people like me to have doubts and worries. Im a 23 year old college student. I can afford this TV but it is still a lot of money and ordering it off amazon I would ideally like to be satisfied and not have to return it because I am not having an enjoyable experience
post #5166 of 12344
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Some people check their screen any time that they think there might be IR. They use slides with various shades of red, green and blue to detect IR that they otherwise can't see.

Others don't worry about IR unless they notice a fixed image lingering when they watch a different program.

If someone watches a variety of program material, and doesn't use slides to check for IR, they probably wont see any IR. If you start seeing IR when you watch normal programs, then it's time to cut back on watching the program or channel that is causing the IR. That's all you need to do to enjoy a plasma. smile.gif

That is getting borderline OCD no?

haha...
post #5167 of 12344
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Originally Posted by sealteamz6 View Post

haha damn Im about to pull the trigger on the ST60. But jeez i really hate these forums sometimes. I always go proceed to do more research and then there always seems to be a bunch of issues even with one of the best bang for your buck tvs out there. Its pretty discouraging. I don't recall ever noticing this in my panasonic THZPZ700U. Is it common for a lot of people to notice?

After hearing about IR, Input lag and now this its like ugh should I actually get this
The trailing flashes of color are something you would know about already if it was going to be a problem for you. At least that's true if you've already watched any plasma set. It's a human incompatibility with plasma technology that effects a small percentage of people.

One thing you don't want to do is try to teach yourself to see the flashes. There are some who have been able to do that. eek.gif
post #5168 of 12344
haha, thankfully I am not OCD. Sometimes I definitely can be slightly anal or picky. My real issue is indecisiveness. So any little negative report I come across has me double guessing my forthcoming decision. I guess the brightside is I rarely ever make a bad purchase. I just waste a lot of time researching haha
post #5169 of 12344
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

The trailing flashes of color are something you would know about already if it was going to be a problem for you. At least that's true if you've already watched any plasma set. It's a human incompatibility with plasma technology that effects a small percentage of people.

One thing you don't want to do is try to teach yourself to see the flashes. There are some who have been able to do that. eek.gif

Yeah I was going to ask if that was just a thing that occurred in a small percentage of people. Once I get a new plasma I will probably forget about the whole rainbow thing or whatever.
post #5170 of 12344
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post

Except when you notice it in large areas of solid color like in Family Guy, blue skies in real world content, etc. I simply don't believe any of these TVs are completely immune to IR, particularly the Viera Menu text for anyone who's spent more than a few minutes in the menus. I agree it isn't a huge problem, but it is quickly acquired and slower to dissipate.
It's a problem in your case because you are seeing IR in a program that you're watching. Can you tell where the IR came from?

Absolutely. There is faint Viera Menu text even after many hours of Screen Wipe and Jscreenfix, and I saw IR of the SEC tournament scoreboard for a short time yesterday. I've seen IR of the XBMC pause banner in the sky during scenes in "Survivor". That said, it's still rare for me to notice it, and I don't doubt that many people would never notice it. It doesn't mean it's not there, though, or that people who do notice things like this have a chance of exchanging for the mythical set that's immune to it. All three sets I've had behaved about the same WRT IR, rainbows, and buzzing, which mirrors my experience with other products like "silent" refrigerators, Which Do Not Exist.
post #5171 of 12344
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

The trailing flashes of color are something you would know about already if it was going to be a problem for you. At least that's true if you've already watched any plasma set. It's a human incompatibility with plasma technology that effects a small percentage of people.

FWIW, I never saw rainbows the half dozen times I went to look at plasmas in two Best Buys, Sears, and HH Gregg, not even looking for it in high contrast scenes in their loops and TV programs they had on, and this includes going back after spontaneously noticing them at home, and knowing exactly what to look for. I always meant to bring a USB stick with some known bad material on it, but I never did, as I decided to keep the ST60 and try to live with it.

And "trailing" implies motion. I see it on static images as I move my eyes around, and if anything, it's at its worst with static images. This is different than what I think of as "phosphor trails", which I can differentiate from the rainbows only on certain test patterns like a white bar moving side-to-side across a black screen, and of course I see rainbow afterimages hugely in such patterns in addition to the discoloration on the leading and trailing edges of the bars (which I see only while they're moving), which is what I think of as "phosphor trails". They could have the same cause, the differing decay rates for the phosphors, but these are two pretty distinct manifestations of it if so.
post #5172 of 12344
Now that I have about 300+ Hours on my 60ST60, I decided to recal. Here are the settings I arrived at.
Here are the settings a arrived at for my 60"ST60.
Software: Calamn 5
Meter: i1Display calibrated adainst an Eye One Pro
Source PS3
Pattern Used: Mascior's Disk-5% APL Windows

Picture Mode: Custom
Contrast: 82
Brightness: +2
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0
Color Temp: Warm2
Vivid Color: Off
C.A.T.S: Off
Video NR: Off
MPEG NR: Off
Motion Smoother: Off

Pro Settings
Panel Brightness: Mid
AGC: 0
Black Extension: 0
Color Gamut: Normal

W/B Detail Adjustment
W/B High R: -4
W/B High G: 0
W/B High B: -4
W/B Low R: -1
W/B Low G: 0
W/B Low B: 0

(W/B) More Detail Adjustment
10 W/B R: 4
10 W/B G: 0
10 W/B B: 0

20 W/B R: 13
20 W/B G: 0
20 W/B B: -8

30 W/B R: 14
30 W/B G: 0
30 W/B B: 20

40 W/B R: 6
40 W/B G: 0
40 W/B B: 12

50 W/B R: 5
50 W/B G: 0
50 W/B B: 2

60 W/B R: 2
60 W/B G: 0
60 W/B B: -3

70 W/B R: 3
70 W/B G: 0
70 W/B B: 0

80 W/B R: 0
80 W/B G: 0
80 W/B B: -2

90 W/B R: -3
90 W/B G: 0
90 W/B B: 3

100 W/B R: -3
100 W/B G: 0
100 W/B B: 4

Color Detail Adjustment
R-Hue: -4
R-Sat: -7
R-Lum: -3

G-Hue: 19
G-Sat: -20
G-Lum: -1

B-Hue: 9
B-Sat: 5
B-Lum: -3

Gamma Detail Adjustment
Gamma: 2.4

(Gamma) More Detail Adjustment
10 Gain: 2
20 Gain: 23
30 Gain: 7
40 Gain: 1
50 Gain: 4
60 Gain: 5
70 Gain: 3
80 Gain: 2
90 Gain: 1
100 Gain: 0

Advance Picture
3:2 PullDown: Auto

HDMI Content Type
Set all to off!

HDMI/DVI RGB Range
***Leave settings in this menu at their default***

Screen Settings
Overscan: Off
H size: Size 1

These settings are for comparison purposes only. Use at your own risk! biggrin.gif

post #5173 of 12344
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

If you start seeing IR when you watch normal programs, then it's time to cut back on watching the program or channel that is causing the IR. That's all you need to do to enjoy a plasma. smile.gif
Is that really a way to enjoy a TV? Not being able to watch something that you want to watch. That is almost like saying you can have this car but you can't drive it to places you want to go or here is a phone but you can't call people that you want to with it.

IR is definitley there on this TV. I don't buy the my panel is immune. It is more like some people have not seen it yet or they have just not watched something that will be prone to give it to them. My advice is if you are not bothered by IR, then buy the TV, watch what you want, when you want and be prepared to run the pixel flipper overnight often to clean up your screen if it bothers you.

I don't know why anyone would be a TV and then have to deal with not watching certain programming or channels for periods of time. Makes no sense to me when trying to sell someone on a TV. Otherwise I would just look to buy something else.
Edited by eric3316 - 5/27/13 at 2:34pm
post #5174 of 12344
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Is that really a way to enjoy a TV? Not being able to watch something that you want to watch. That is almost like saying you can have this car but you shouldn't drive it or here is a phone but you shouldn't use it to make calls.

IR is definitley there on this TV. I don't buy the my panel is immune. It is more like some people have not seen it yet or they have just not watched something that will be prone to give it to them. My advice is if you are not bothered by IR, then buy the TV, watch what you want, when you want and be prepared to run the pixel flipper overnight often to clean up your screen if it bothers you.

I don't know why anyone would be a TV and then have to deal with not watching certain programming or channels for periods of time. Makes no sense to me when trying to sell someone on a TV. Otherwise I would just look to buy something else.

I agree with this. If I am gonna spend 16xx dollars on a TV I don't think I should have to ever change my watching habits to avoid noticeable irreversible IR. Thankfully I do not watch cable television, just netflix, hulu, and blu rays as well as games so i dont think i really have to worry too much. I dont see myself ever getting cable. In addition I dont play games often enough or for an extended period of time over the course of one session so it doesnt seem like I will have to worry.
post #5175 of 12344
touch pen free if you purchase between april 14 and june 29

http://c.shld.net/assets/docs/spin_prod_824331412.pdf

im not sure if this have been posted or not
post #5176 of 12344
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Originally Posted by sealteamz6 View Post

I agree with this. If I am gonna spend 16xx dollars on a TV I don't think I should have to ever change my watching habits to avoid noticeable irreversible IR. Thankfully I do not watch cable television, just netflix, hulu, and blu rays as well as games so i dont think i really have to worry too much. I dont see myself ever getting cable. In addition I dont play games often enough or for an extended period of time over the course of one session so it doesnt seem like I will have to worry.

That's what I was thinking before getting IR because of multiple 1-2 hours sessions over the course of the week
post #5177 of 12344
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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post

FWIW, I never saw rainbows the half dozen times I went to look at plasmas in two Best Buys, Sears, and HH Gregg, not even looking for it in high contrast scenes in their loops and TV programs they had on, and this includes going back after spontaneously noticing them at home, and knowing exactly what to look for. I always meant to bring a USB stick with some known bad material on it, but I never did, as I decided to keep the ST60 and try to live with it.

And "trailing" implies motion. I see it on static images as I move my eyes around, and if anything, it's at its worst with static images. This is different than what I think of as "phosphor trails", which I can differentiate from the rainbows only on certain test patterns like a white bar moving side-to-side across a black screen, and of course I see rainbow afterimages hugely in such patterns in addition to the discoloration on the leading and trailing edges of the bars (which I see only while they're moving), which is what I think of as "phosphor trails". They could have the same cause, the differing decay rates for the phosphors, but these are two pretty distinct manifestations of it if so.
I overlooked that distinction and I agree that they are different. The same thing would happen with DLP if the person had "happy" eyes darting every which way. You seem to be creating your own phosphor trails by supplying extra eye movement. wink.gif
post #5178 of 12344
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Originally Posted by sealteamz6 View Post

I agree with this. If I am gonna spend 16xx dollars on a TV I don't think I should have to ever change my watching habits to avoid noticeable irreversible IR. Thankfully I do not watch cable television, just netflix, hulu, and blu rays as well as games so i dont think i really have to worry too much. I dont see myself ever getting cable. In addition I dont play games often enough or for an extended period of time over the course of one session so it doesnt seem like I will have to worry.

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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

If you start seeing IR when you watch normal programs, then it's time to cut back on watching the program or channel that is causing the IR. That's all you need to do to enjoy a plasma. smile.gif
Is that really a way to enjoy a TV? Not being able to watch something that you want to watch. That is almost like saying you can have this car but you can't drive it to places you want to go or here is a phone but you can't call people that you want to with it.

IR is definitley there on this TV. I don't buy the my panel is immune. It is more like some people have not seen it yet or they have just not watched something that will be prone to give it to them. My advice is if you are not bothered by IR, then buy the TV, watch what you want, when you want and be prepared to run the pixel flipper overnight often to clean up your screen if it bothers you.

I don't know why anyone would be a TV and then have to deal with not watching certain programming or channels for periods of time. Makes no sense to me when trying to sell someone on a TV. Otherwise I would just look to buy something else.
I agree with both of you. Here is how I enjoy our plasma.

I watch a lot of NFL on Fox, CBS, NBC, ESPN, and the NFL Network. My wife watches almost every NHL game that our local team plays except for a few games that she attends. All that sports programing involves fixed images for two to four hours at a stretch. Once in a great while I watch a NFL double header on the same channel for maybe seven hours.

The rest of the time we watch shiny disk movies from Netflix with a mix of either no black bars or side black bars or top and bottom black bars. We also watch our local public broadcasting station. All most all of what we watch has black bars, logos or other fixed images. Those fixed images vary in contrast from very low to high. We don't run our set as background filler like a radio. So far, that behavior has protected us from IR for over five years. In that time I've checked for IR with colored slides one time as part of an IR discussion here at AVS.

Mix it up and enjoy. smile.gif

Edit: Pixar animation movies with a 1.78:1 aspect ratio are good sources to use to speed up image retention removal, and if you play them on repeat during the time you're not using your TV it will be even faster.

The mix that we watch is what we want, so we've made no concession to owning a plasma display. Anyone who's normal viewing habits results in irritating IR should find a different technology that works better in their lives. Panasonic's menus are insane for a company selling plasma.

By cutting back I just meant temporarily reducing the time you spend with a troublesome fixed image.
post #5179 of 12344
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

You seem to be creating your own phosphor trails by supplying extra eye movement. wink.gif

Just watching TV the same way I always have. This is the first remote I can remember:



I didn't realize I had been doing it wrong all this time. tongue.gif
post #5180 of 12344
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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post

With the TV on, press volume down on the TV and info 3 times on the remote, press 2 and OK on the remote, highlight the box right of the PTCT box and press mute for 3 seconds. Press and hold power on the TV to exit the SM.


For anyone entering the service menus, the SM keeps track of how many times it's been entered and doing so voids the TV warranty. If you have problems with the TV and the tech actually knows what he is doing Panasonic could refuse to repair the TV.

So I'm an idiot but never mind that. I just read your first paragraph and tried twice to do the instructions to enter the menu. Both times it simply went to channel 2 and nothing happened. I pressed volume down on TV, followed with info 3 times, hit 2 then Ok. Was I supposed to do any of those steps simultaneously? I didn't do any steps thereafter because all I had was a blank screen. Is it a certainty that I didn't actually access the menu and it did not create a log?

The reason I called myself is an idiot is after I tried this, I then read your second post and realized I really didn't want to void the warranty. How do I know for sure I didn't actually access the service menu? Would it have been obvious? I waited on channel 2 after each try for 5-10 seconds and saw nothing but a blank screen.
post #5181 of 12344
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

I actually have the WOW disk, but the PS3 kept rejecting it for some reason. The disk is clean with no scratches, but it wouldn't play. After several attempts I finally got it to load. Ran the tool over night & it seemed to help, but the retention is still there. Going to avoid ESPN on this set for a while. Hopefully it will eventually fade.

I had some stubborn IR on my ST60 and it took a long time to get rid of it. For a week I watched regular content and it was still there so I ran a pixel flipper overnight and it finally went away. I can't believe your's is still there, maybe run it another time overnight.
post #5182 of 12344
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Originally Posted by tuffluck View Post

So I'm an idiot but never mind that. I just read your first paragraph and tried twice to do the instructions to enter the menu. Both times it simply went to channel 2 and nothing happened. I pressed volume down on TV, followed with info 3 times, hit 2 then Ok. Was I supposed to do any of those steps simultaneously? I didn't do any steps thereafter because all I had was a blank screen. Is it a certainty that I didn't actually access the menu and it did not create a log?

The reason I called myself is an idiot is after I tried this, I then read your second post and realized I really didn't want to void the warranty. How do I know for sure I didn't actually access the service menu? Would it have been obvious? I waited on channel 2 after each try for 5-10 seconds and saw nothing but a blank screen.

You would know if you were in the service menu. The only ways to turn off the TV from the SM is to hold power on the TV for about 5 seconds or unplug the TV.
post #5183 of 12344
Yeah, and the addition of eye searing brightness in service mode frown.gif
post #5184 of 12344
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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post

I didn't realize I had been doing it wrong all this time. tongue.gif
LOL, that is is some funny stuff there, goes to show you where we came from.......
post #5185 of 12344
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

Now that I have about 300+ Hours on my 60ST60, I decided to recal. Here are the settings I arrived at.
Here are the settings a arrived at for my 60"ST60.
Software: Calamn 5
Meter: i1Display calibrated adainst an Eye One Pro
Source PS3
Pattern Used: Mascior's Disk-5% APL Windows

Picture Mode: Custom
Contrast: 82
Brightness: +2
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0
Color Temp: Warm2
Vivid Color: Off
C.A.T.S: Off
Video NR: Off
MPEG NR: Off
Motion Smoother: Off

Pro Settings
Panel Brightness: Mid
AGC: 0
Black Extension: 0
Color Gamut: Normal

W/B Detail Adjustment
W/B High R: -4
W/B High G: 0
W/B High B: -4
W/B Low R: -1
W/B Low G: 0
W/B Low B: 0

(W/B) More Detail Adjustment
10 W/B R: 4
10 W/B G: 0
10 W/B B: 0

20 W/B R: 13
20 W/B G: 0
20 W/B B: -8

30 W/B R: 14
30 W/B G: 0
30 W/B B: 20

40 W/B R: 6
40 W/B G: 0
40 W/B B: 12

50 W/B R: 5
50 W/B G: 0
50 W/B B: 2

60 W/B R: 2
60 W/B G: 0
60 W/B B: -3

70 W/B R: 3
70 W/B G: 0
70 W/B B: 0

80 W/B R: 0
80 W/B G: 0
80 W/B B: -2

90 W/B R: -3
90 W/B G: 0
90 W/B B: 3

100 W/B R: -3
100 W/B G: 0
100 W/B B: 4

Color Detail Adjustment
R-Hue: -4
R-Sat: -7
R-Lum: -3

G-Hue: 19
G-Sat: -20
G-Lum: -1

B-Hue: 9
B-Sat: 5
B-Lum: -3

Gamma Detail Adjustment
Gamma: 2.4

(Gamma) More Detail Adjustment
10 Gain: 2
20 Gain: 23
30 Gain: 7
40 Gain: 1
50 Gain: 4
60 Gain: 5
70 Gain: 3
80 Gain: 2
90 Gain: 1
100 Gain: 0

Advance Picture
3:2 PullDown: Auto

HDMI Content Type
Set all to off!

HDMI/DVI RGB Range
***Leave settings in this menu at their default***

Screen Settings
Overscan: Off
H size: Size 1

These settings are for comparison purposes only. Use at your own risk! biggrin.gif

I just finished my 300 hr. recal as well. Surprisingly, we have very similar settings. Good job by the way
post #5186 of 12344
Wait! Entering the service menu voids the warranty? How the hell are we supposed to calibrate the TV's
post #5187 of 12344
^^^^^ You wont get in trouble but if by mistake you brick the tv and you tell then that you enter
Into the service menu then you will void your warranty.


I also recommend to take pictures of your default color settings because every panel have different default color settings.
Edited by losservatore - 5/27/13 at 7:19pm
post #5188 of 12344
Service menu voiding warranty is an urban myth
post #5189 of 12344
I am.actually thinking of.calibrating my set and panasonic told me today if an uncertified panasonic tech goes into it that may void the warranty
post #5190 of 12344
What is over scan? With it off I noticed what looked like a dead pixel in the bottom right. When I turn it on the screen expands and the dead pixel is no more.
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