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post #5251 of 12338
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Originally Posted by KJ911TT View Post

I'm having a problem where my ST60 won't output surround sound to my receiver.

My Input is my Cisco 8642 PVR via HDMI 1.
PS3 via HDMI 2.
Optical Out from ST60 to my receiver.

I am playing surround content on both the PVR and PS3 (which is evidenced by the fact that surround sound works if I connect them directly to the receiver).

However, if I connect them via HDMI to the TV first and then try to output surround sound via the Optical Out from the ST60, I only get stereo sound.

Any help would be appreciated!!!

Thanks!

The TV only outputs surround from internal sources, tuner, streaming, external sources are 2 channel PCM.
post #5252 of 12338
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Originally Posted by sealteamz6 View Post

I can get the gt50 60 inch for 1650 from my local shop. Should I take that over the st60? How do they compare?
They also have a pn60e7000 for 1425
The ST60 is better than both, except it has more input lag.
post #5253 of 12338
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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post

The TV only outputs surround from internal sources, tuner, streaming, external sources are 2 channel PCM.

That sucks, what a bummer.
post #5254 of 12338
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Same store, I just exchanged the ST60 for the es7500. As I said the manager did me right after a problem I had.

Yeah but the 60 inch ST 60 is 1650 so I was just curious how you managed to get him to drop over 650 dollars from the price haha.
post #5255 of 12338
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

How about not saying anything other than that the TV isn't working. wink.gif

If the past ten years of my reading at AVS means anything, then worrying about warranty invalidation because of entering the SM isn't worth it. The only case I do remember, the owner started out by detailing what he had done in the service menu. eek.gif

He was denied warranty service to start, but he kept asking at higher levels until his repair was authorized. I don't recall anyone ever using small claims court if they were being stonewalled by a manufacturer, but it is a valid option if it's needed.

Yeah never admit you are guilty of anything when it comes to something like that
post #5256 of 12338
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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

The ST60 is better than both, except it has more input lag.

Ah I see, well maybe I will stick with the ST60 then. I have heard the ST60s 3D is kinda lackluster?

Also someone on the other thread said never to buy a display model
post #5257 of 12338
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Originally Posted by sealteamz6 View Post

Ah I see, well maybe I will stick with the ST60 then. I have heard the ST60s 3D is kinda lackluster?

Also someone on the other thread said never to buy a display model


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Originally Posted by sealteamz6

I can get the gt50 60 inch for 1650 from my local shop. Should I take that over the st60? How do they compare?
They also have a pn60e7000 for 1425
Its the display models

If you are refering to me, that is not what I said. This is what was said:

You'll get the same answer in this thread as you will in the other. If they are display models, it's not even a question, the ST60, hands down. If they're all brand new in the box & you'll use the tv mainly for viewing films/tv, then it's still the ST60, hands down. However if gaming is important, then you might want to look at the other two models.
post #5258 of 12338
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Originally Posted by sealteamz6 View Post

Yeah but the 60 inch ST 60 is 1650 so I was just curious how you managed to get him to drop over 650 dollars from the price haha.
Because that is what I ended up paying for the last TV they were replacing under the extended warranty which was the Sammy Plasma. He was going by retail of what I had and replacing it with something comparable. It all came down to I got a crazy price on the e7000 plasma which was suppose to be repaired but they could not get the part so was offered other TV's. There is no way you are just talking to someone at BB and getting this price. lol
post #5259 of 12338
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post


If you are refering to me, that is not what I said. This is what was said:

You'll get the same answer in this thread as you will in the other. If they are display models, it's not even a question, the ST60, hands down. If they're all brand new in the box & you'll use the tv mainly for viewing films/tv, then it's still the ST60, hands down. However if gaming is important, then you might want to look at the other two models.

haha my bad, didnt mean to take your words out of context. I assume however that you are of the belief that unless a display model represents a stellar deal that its a no go?
post #5260 of 12338
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Originally Posted by sealteamz6 View Post

haha my bad, didnt mean to take your words out of context. I assume however that you are of the belief that unless a display model represents a stellar deal that its a no go?
I actually think display models can be great deals. Usually you can get a great price, it has been run a while so if any issues were to arise it probably would have done so already and it still comes with the full manufacturers 1 year warranty.
post #5261 of 12338
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Originally Posted by devilish69 View Post

Each entry into the tech menu is logged with date/time and any changes made are noted internally in a log file. If you make no changes when you enter the service menu I can't see how simply entering the menu to view time on panel would void the warranty, but as has been noted in this thread most anything CAN void the warranty if they want to get picky enough.

I'm just getting interested in this TV. Would you please supply a link or reference material that verifies your quoted statement about an internal log.

Thanks,
Larry
post #5262 of 12338
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Originally Posted by sealteamz6 View Post

haha my bad, didnt mean to take your words out of context. I assume however that you are of the belief that unless a display model represents a stellar deal that its a no go?

Not necessary. I owned the GT50 for 3 weeks & now I own the ST60. I've seen both in action & know what they are & aren't capable of. That's the only reason why I said what I said.
post #5263 of 12338
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Because that is what I ended up paying for the last TV they were replacing under the extended warranty which was the Sammy Plasma. He was going by retail of what I had and replacing it with something comparable. It all came down to I got a crazy price on the e7000 plasma which was suppose to be repaired but they could not get the part so was offered other TV's. There is no way you are just talking to someone at BB and getting this price. lol

Ah i see, and yeah I can't imagine haggling could get you anywhere near that price
post #5264 of 12338
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

Not necessary. I owned the GT50 for 3 weeks & now I own the ST60. I've seen both in action & know what they are & aren't capable of. That's the only reason why I said what I said.

cadett, if you have the time would you mind sharing with me what the significant or noticeable differences between the two are? Pros and cons of each
post #5265 of 12338
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

I actually think display models can be great deals. Usually you can get a great price, it has been run a while so if any issues were to arise it probably would have done so already and it still comes with the full manufacturers 1 year warranty.

That is a great point. The GT50 on display is 390 less than what it costs on amazon. The same price as the ST60. However, based on what cadett said it seems as though its still not a good enough price to warrent getting it over the ST60
post #5266 of 12338
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Originally Posted by sealteamz6 View Post

Ah I see, well maybe I will stick with the ST60 then. I have heard the ST60s 3D is kinda lackluster?

Also someone on the other thread said never to buy a display model

The 3D on the ST60 is fine... It is just one of the two "cons" of the ST60 (the other being input lag), so you are going to see it brought up on the forums. When a TV is this good of a value, with this good picture quality, there are always going to be a couple of things/features that fall into the "just ok" category.

I finally watched a full 3D movie over the weekend (re-watched the Hobbit for the 3rd time... I've got problems, I know wink.gif), and after some tweaking of the settings the 3D was as good as (if not better than) my old Samsung C8000 plasma.

Keep in mind that I have had my ST60 for well over a month now, as well as own 20+ 3D blu-ray movies, and I have just now finally gotten around to putting in a 3D movie and watching it on my ST60. I'm not a huge fan of 3D at home (find it WAY less immersive than at the theater), and honestly the 2D picture on the ST60 is so good, I just don't even bother with the 3D. That's just my opinion.
post #5267 of 12338
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Originally Posted by AdamHD View Post

The 3D on the ST60 is fine... It is just one of the two "cons" of the ST60 (the other being input lag), so you are going to see it brought up on the forums. When a TV is this good of a value, with this good picture quality, there are always going to be a couple of things/features that fall into the "just ok" category.

I finally watched a full 3D movie over the weekend (re-watched the Hobbit for the 3rd time... I've got problems, I know wink.gif), and after some tweaking of the settings the 3D was as good as (if not better than) my old Samsung C8000 plasma.

Keep in mind that I have had my ST60 for well over a month now, as well as own 20+ 3D blu-ray movies, and I have just now finally gotten around to putting in a 3D movie and watching it on my ST60. I'm not a huge fan of 3D at home (find it WAY less immersive than at the theater), and honestly the 2D picture on the ST60 is so good, I just don't even bother with the 3D. That's just my opinion.

Good points. Do you yourself notice the input lag while playing video games when you have gamemode on?

And that is true, I imagine 3D at home to be much less immersive than the theater. Not gonna lie sometimes I wonder why the hell i blow so much money on my HT setup and instead just go out and see every movie I wanna see in theaters

In terms of 3D i am mainly interested in how it works with video games, ive heard its pretty awesome haha
post #5268 of 12338
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Originally Posted by sealteamz6 View Post

That is a great point. The GT50 on display is 390 less than what it costs on amazon. The same price as the ST60. However, based on what cadett said it seems as though its still not a good enough price to warrent getting it over the ST60
The GT50 is still more then the ST60 so absolutely would not take it. I would only take a GT50 if the ST60 was out of your price range and the GT50 was a few hundred dollars less then it.
post #5269 of 12338
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Originally Posted by scientifix View Post

You now have an F8500 right - does that exhibit a similar kind of IR? I have been trying to ignore all the IR related posts (I have a 9 yr old Panny Plasma and I have never experienced noticeable IR nor permanent burn in) but its getting harder and harder to do that in this forum. So I would like to know if the ST60 is more prone to IR compared to the F8500?

It gets IR about as fast as the ST60, maybe even a little faster. For example having a website up for 2 mins will have some IR. But you can also see it disappear right before your eyes as you move a webpage up or down. On top of that, IR goes away pretty well, nothing has been stubborn as far as that's concerned and I haven't had to run any IR removal programs.

The ST60 was slower to get IR, but also much more stubborn once it actually got that IR. Any long term content caused stuck IR that wouldn't go away unless I wiped it overnight. I don't have that problem with the F8500.
post #5270 of 12338
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

The GT50 is still more then the ST60 so absolutely would not take it. I would only take a GT50 if the ST60 was out of your price range and the GT50 was a few hundred dollars less then it.

The GT50 display model on clearance at the Magnolia AV near my place is 1400 dollars. WA state sales tax is 10.1. So its basically the same price as the ST60.
post #5271 of 12338
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Originally Posted by sealteamz6 View Post

Good points. Do you yourself notice the input lag while playing video games when you have gamemode on?

And that is true, I imagine 3D at home to be much less immersive than the theater. Not gonna lie sometimes I wonder why the hell i blow so much money on my HT setup and instead just go out and see every movie I wanna see in theaters

In terms of 3D i am mainly interested in how it works with video games, ive heard its pretty awesome haha

As far as gaming, I will be honest in that I have not done much gaming on the ST60. I am a PC gamer and game on a high end gaming rig through a (low lag) IPS Dell Ultrasharp monitor. I sold my PS3 and X-box 360 a couple of years ago, and never really looked back. lol.

I DID however hook up my PC (via hdmi) and I checked the input lag as per request from some other AVS members shortly after I got the set. The lag was apparent (with the game mode ON) with about half the titles I checked. If you are a super hard core first person shooter gamer or love fighting games, the ST60 may not the best choice for a TV for you. If you primarily play 3rd person action games, racing games, RPGs, you are going to be fine.

I do plan on buying a new console when they come out later this year, so I do plan on doing some gaming on the ST60, but personally if the lag is too much to handle, I will just hook up the console to my monitor. That is where I do the majority of my gaming anyway. Not trying to sway anyone from the ST60, like I said (in my opinion) only the hardest of hard core gamer is going to care about the lag. Realistically, in the BIG picture that's probably like 1% of ST60 owners.
post #5272 of 12338
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Originally Posted by KJ911TT View Post

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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post

The TV only outputs surround from internal sources, tuner, streaming, external sources are 2 channel PCM.

That sucks, what a bummer.
That's true for all recent model TV sets.

Samsung's Explanation

Blame HDCP (High Density-Bandwidth Content Protection). eek.gif
post #5273 of 12338
Too much complains about IR but not actual picture about how bad it looks ,if it looks that bad please post some pictures because this IR topic is getting annoying and its making the st60 thread look ugly, I want proof of how bad this IR looks, I was planning to buy this TV but all this rumors about IR is making me think about it ,same for many people interested in purchase this tv.
post #5274 of 12338
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Originally Posted by AdamHD View Post

As far as gaming, I will be honest in that I have not done much gaming on the ST60. I am a PC gamer and game on a high end gaming rig through a (low lag) IPS Dell Ultrasharp monitor. I sold my PS3 and X-box 360 a couple of years ago, and never really looked back. lol.

I DID however hook up my PC (via hdmi) and I checked the input lag as per request from some other AVS members shortly after I got the set. The lag was apparent (with the game mode ON) with about half the titles I checked. If you are a super hard core first person shooter gamer or love fighting games, the ST60 may not the best choice for a TV for you. If you primarily play 3rd person action games, racing games, RPGs, you are going to be fine.

I do plan on buying a new console when they come out later this year, so I do plan on doing some gaming on the ST60, but personally if the lag is too much to handle, I will just hook up the console to my monitor. That is where I do the majority of my gaming anyway. Not trying to sway anyone from the ST60, like I said (in my opinion) only the hardest of hard core gamer is going to care about the lag. Realistically, in the BIG picture that's probably like 1% of ST60 owners.

Oh nice, I have been PC gaming for roughly 7 years now and I guess kinda my whole life but back in the day we never had computers that really supported PC gaming so my options were limited. I like PC above all else but I enjoy consoles too. I have my PC hooked up to my TV and enjoy using Steams big picture mode to play games with a wireless Xbox controller or I setup a table with a mouse and keyboard for games like far cry 3 or shooters. i dont like playing on my monitor which is not a bad monitor but I also have an 1800 dollar sound system that I wanna utilize when PC gaming so I wanna do most if not all of my PC gaming on my TV minus games like SC2 and other RTS games.

I play FPS, Action Adventure, RTS, some RPG. I do not play online multiplayer though. i only ever play multiplayer if I am playing coop games like diablo or L4D

I am worried about the Input lag based on what I have read here not gonna lie. Although other people have said its not noticeable and I even saw one guys test where it wasnt really apparent there was any input lag to me. Although watching a video and determining something like that for certain is quite improbable.

And I will most likely be acquiring a new console or having the ability to use one since my gf's dad works for Microsoft
post #5275 of 12338
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

Too much complains about IR but not actual picture about how bad it looks ,if it looks that bad please post some pictures because this IR topic is getting annoying and its making the st60 thread look ugly, I want proof of how bad this IR looks, I was planning to buy this TV but all this rumors about IR is making me think about it ,same for many people interested in purchase this tv.
I would be interested in seeing and hearing more data about this issue(?) myself as it has cooled my earlier enthusiasm for this display somewhat.
post #5276 of 12338
Under Advanced Picture my "3:2 pulldown" setting is set to "Off" and grayed out (watching Blu-rays on my PS3).

My PS3's "1080p 24 Hz Output (HDMI)" is set to "Automatic."

How can I make the 3:2 pulldown setting editable?
Edited by ryansebiz - 5/28/13 at 4:23pm
post #5277 of 12338
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

Too much complains about IR but not actual picture about how bad it looks ,if it looks that bad please post some pictures because this IR topic is getting annoying and its making the st60 thread look ugly, I want proof of how bad this IR looks, I was planning to buy this TV but all this rumors about IR is making me think about it ,same for many people interested in purchase this tv.

I agree, I love these forums but sometimes I feel like it only takes a select few people to take an issue and blow it out of proportion or make it out to be a much bigger deal that it actually is. That or maybe its just my head taking in the not that great of 3D, IR issues that have been reported and Input lag as way worse than they actually are. I mean even with these issues I still haven't heard anyone recommend a better option for the same price except for the S64 which moonchilde recommended to me. Looks like a great tv. It doesn't have 3D. Most people may not care about 3D. My feelings on 3D are mixed. Would I rather have 5 extra inches, save 100 bucks and maybe avoid an input lag that I may not even notice on the ST60 or would I rather have the 3D to sometimes enjoy for games and whatnot the potential Input lag and 5 less inches and better PQ for 100 more. its not an easy choice. But I feel like sometimes its easy for the negative aspects to take over the seemingly insane amount of awesome aspects of the ST60.
post #5278 of 12338
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Originally Posted by ryansebiz View Post

Under Advanced Picture my "3:2 pulldown" setting is set to "Off" and grayed out (watching Blu-rays on my PS3).

My PS3's "1080p 24 Hz Output (HDMI) is set to Automatic.

How can I make the 3:2 pulldown setting editable?

You can't while viewing in 1080p, it's for interlaced material, however you can change the refresh rate to 48, 60, or 96.
post #5279 of 12338
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Originally Posted by sealteamz6 View Post

Oh nice, I have been PC gaming for roughly 7 years now and I guess kinda my whole life but back in the day we never had computers that really supported PC gaming so my options were limited. I like PC above all else but I enjoy consoles too. I have my PC hooked up to my TV and enjoy using Steams big picture mode to play games with a wireless Xbox controller or I setup a table with a mouse and keyboard for games like far cry 3 or shooters. i dont like playing on my monitor which is not a bad monitor but I also have an 1800 dollar sound system that I wanna utilize when PC gaming so I wanna do most if not all of my PC gaming on my TV minus games like SC2 and other RTS games.

I play FPS, Action Adventure, RTS, some RPG. I do not play online multiplayer though. i only ever play multiplayer if I am playing coop games like diablo or L4D

I am worried about the Input lag based on what I have read here not gonna lie. Although other people have said its not noticeable and I even saw one guys test where it wasnt really apparent there was any input lag to me. Although watching a video and determining something like that for certain is quite improbable.

And I will most likely be acquiring a new console or having the ability to use one since my gf's dad works for Microsoft

Nice! Well, you may have to just buy an ST60 and test it out with your own setup and see if it is acceptable. That's really the only way you are going to be able to tell. Just make sure you buy from a place that you can return it without fees. Everyone seems to take the input lag differently. Some say they don't notice anything, some say it is completely unacceptable. I fall somewhere in the middle, and I consider myself a pretty tech savvy, avid, knowledgeable gamer.

Like I said, with the ST60 there are only a couple of caveats. To a select few people, these may be a big deal, to the rest of the people it is nothing. Major reviewing sites seem to not care about input lag and "sub-par" 3D performance.... and I am guessing most consumers don't either. This is definitely a case where the "pro's" highly outweigh the "cons", IMO
post #5280 of 12338
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

Too much complains about IR but not actual picture about how bad it looks ,if it looks that bad please post some pictures because this IR topic is getting annoying and its making the st60 thread look ugly, I want proof of how bad this IR looks, I was planning to buy this TV but all this rumors about IR is making me think about it ,same for many people interested in purchase this tv.

For what it's worth I have had the ST60 for over a month, have about 300 hours on it and have not had a single bit of IR. Just thought I'd throw that out there. I had another AVS member tell me the ST60 was "plagued with IR issues"... in my experience, this has not been my case.

I do have pretty plasma friendly viewing habits though. I don't watch ESPN for hours on end, or game with a static HUD for hours either. I'm sure a lot of the IR issues develop from one of those two scenarios.. Or I just got a "good" panel. Idk.
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