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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Has your IR disappeared by now?
It never did. Officially burn in now. You don't really notice unless there is a solid color being displayed in the bottom right & then you have to be looking for it.
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Originally Posted by garnettrules21 View Post

I notice it some as well.
Jerseys as well, sometimes. Weird.
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

Jerseys as well, sometimes. Weird.
Yep. The heat logo seems a bit off as well. I bet it's the lighting.
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Does anyone have settings they like just for watching hd cable (time warner)? Separate from what you use to watch 1080p movies/bluray? I'd like to use cinema just for tv, and save custom just for my full hd content.
Edited by malibumike - 6/19/13 at 12:23am
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

It never did. Officially burn in now. You don't really notice unless there is a solid color being displayed in the bottom right & then you have to be looking for it.
Sorry to hear that. Are you more careful now on how you use the TV or you just watching like normal and whatever happens, happens.

Also, if giving the chance again, would you still buy this TV or look else where. I returned mine due to IR and went to an LED. I still have thougts about going back to a ST60 but I think I forget how annoyed the IR made me. I keep telling myself if I go back to one I don't want to have to baby the thing. I just want to be able to watch whatever, whenever. I do not think I will be able to do that though. I feel like if I were to get another one it would be the same as before. Me being cautious with everything I watch and any spec of IR bothering me even though I tell myself not to worry about it.

I also think it depends on where you IR is located. On mine, it was a Fox Sports logo towards the top of the screen. I saw it on any light screen or any scene with a blue sky which is a lot! If it were something on the bottom it probably would have not been as noticiable because the bottom part of the screen usually has darker things on it.

I will probably just stick with my LED though and keep myself going crazy everyday thinking if I should sell it or not. lol
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Here's my st60, wall-mounted, the way nature intended.








Roll Tide.
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I'll post what I did in an another thread....

I'm new to plasma for the most part. I've had my ST60 for about a month, probably a tad over 100 hours I would think, maybe more. I've been babying it for the most part. And when I say babying it I mean, unless I'm watching a full screen 16x9 HD movie with no black bars, say hbo, I run cadetts settings but bump the contrast down to the 40's. So any channels with logos, A&E, History, Discovery, contrast never goes above 50. My wife watches investigation discovery off and on throughout the day, its a big logo, sorta transparent. I've also been gaming on it a bit lately with The Last of Us (incredible by the way). Its hud is fairly minimal showing mainly a little health circle around your ammo gauge, but I've also been playing with the contrast really low on that as well. Cranking up the brightness in the game settings helps compensate some. Picture still looks really good playing like this. With these precautions so far I have been lucky and haven't had an ounce of IR yet. Now do you need to put the contrast to that extreme, probably not. But I'm just being overly cautious for now. I fully expect to probably get some IR eventually, especially from games with crazy HUD's but I'm gonna take it easy on them type games for now. I also have the Disney WoW bluray for the pixel flipper just in case.

I previously had gotten the new LG6200 LED tv and came from a vizio full array local dimming before that. Not worrying about IR is a really nice thing to have. Response time was really good as well (I don't notice input lag really on the ST60 but rest assured its fairly high, s60 is much better). However, imo, even having my contrast so low on my ST60, no LCD/LED I have ever owned can hold a candle to a plasma, especially when I'm watching movies with the contrast and settings set normally. Off-angle viewing is perfect, screen uniformity perfect, motion great, etc, etc. My main worry is that I will get IR, but in the end, that is a trade off I'm pretty comfortable making for all the pluses I'm seeing with plasma. IR sucks, some have it worse than others, but eventually, even if it seemingly takes forever IR does fade away (usually lol). But for LED's, clouding, motion blur, screen uniformity, terrible off-angle viewing, those usually don't get better.
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Sorry to hear that. Are you more careful now on how you use the TV or you just watching like normal and whatever happens, happens.

Also, if giving the chance again, would you still buy this TV or look else where. I returned mine due to IR and went to an LED. I still have thougts about going back to a ST60 but I think I forget how annoyed the IR made me. I keep telling myself if I go back to one I don't want to have to baby the thing. I just want to be able to watch whatever, whenever. I do not think I will be able to do that though. I feel like if I were to get another one it would be the same as before. Me being cautious with everything I watch and any spec of IR bothering me even though I tell myself not to worry about it.

I also think it depends on where you IR is located. On mine, it was a Fox Sports logo towards the top of the screen. I saw it on any light screen or any scene with a blue sky which is a lot! If it were something on the bottom it probably would have not been as noticiable because the bottom part of the screen usually has darker things on it.

I will probably just stick with my LED though and keep myself going crazy everyday thinking if I should sell it or not. lol

No doubt. I'm a little more conscience now than I was before. However, my viewing habits haven't really changed. The ir is starting to settle down. I think for whatever reason our screens was/is more prone to ir, compared to what has been reported. I would absolutely buy this set again. I'm not an avid gamer & 3D isn't a big hit in my household. What the ST60 does is produce one of the most pristine 2D images you can get for your money. To best it, you would have to spend almost double the price for a marginal gain. What LED did you end up going with? There are some really nice ones out there, but you gotta dig deep.
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Originally Posted by garnettrules21 View Post

I'll post what I did in an another thread....

I'm new to plasma for the most part. I've had my ST60 for about a month, probably a tad over 100 hours I would think, maybe more. I've been babying it for the most part. And when I say babying it I mean, unless I'm watching a full screen 16x9 HD movie with no black bars, say hbo, I run cadetts settings but bump the contrast down to the 40's. So any channels with logos, A&E, History, Discovery, contrast never goes above 50. My wife watches investigation discovery off and on throughout the day, its a big logo, sorta transparent. I've also been gaming on it a bit lately with The Last of Us (incredible by the way). Its hud is fairly minimal showing mainly a little health circle around your ammo gauge, but I've also been playing with the contrast really low on that as well. Cranking up the brightness in the game settings helps compensate some. Picture still looks really good playing like this. With these precautions so far I have been lucky and haven't had an ounce of IR yet. Now do you need to put the contrast to that extreme, probably not. But I'm just being overly cautious for now. I fully expect to probably get some IR eventually, especially from games with crazy HUD's but I'm gonna take it easy on them type games for now. I also have the Disney WoW bluray for the pixel flipper just in case.

I previously had gotten the new LG6200 LED tv and came from a vizio full array local dimming before that. Not worrying about IR is a really nice thing to have. Response time was really good as well (I don't notice input lag really on the ST60 but rest assured its fairly high, s60 is much better). However, imo, even having my contrast so low on my ST60, no LCD/LED I have ever owned can hold a candle to a plasma, especially when I'm watching movies with the contrast and settings set normally. Off-angle viewing is perfect, screen uniformity perfect, motion great, etc, etc. My main worry is that I will get IR, but in the end, that is a trade off I'm pretty comfortable making for all the pluses I'm seeing with plasma. IR sucks, some have it worse than others, but eventually, even if it seemingly takes forever IR does fade away (usually lol). But for LED's, clouding, motion blur, screen uniformity, terrible off-angle viewing, those usually don't get better.
The majority here have reported very little ir. I wasn't so lucky. Now that I've had the tv for a couple of months, it's starting to settle down.
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Originally Posted by garnettrules21 View Post

I'll post what I did in an another thread....

I'm new to plasma for the most part. I've had my ST60 for about a month, probably a tad over 100 hours I would think, maybe more. I've been babying it for the most part. And when I say babying it I mean, unless I'm watching a full screen 16x9 HD movie with no black bars, say hbo, I run cadetts settings but bump the contrast down to the 40's. So any channels with logos, A&E, History, Discovery, contrast never goes above 50. My wife watches investigation discovery off and on throughout the day, its a big logo, sorta transparent. I've also been gaming on it a bit lately with The Last of Us (incredible by the way). Its hud is fairly minimal showing mainly a little health circle around your ammo gauge, but I've also been playing with the contrast really low on that as well. Cranking up the brightness in the game settings helps compensate some. Picture still looks really good playing like this. With these precautions so far I have been lucky and haven't had an ounce of IR yet. Now do you need to put the contrast to that extreme, probably not. But I'm just being overly cautious for now. I fully expect to probably get some IR eventually, especially from games with crazy HUD's but I'm gonna take it easy on them type games for now. I also have the Disney WoW bluray for the pixel flipper just in case.

I previously had gotten the new LG6200 LED tv and came from a vizio full array local dimming before that. Not worrying about IR is a really nice thing to have. Response time was really good as well (I don't notice input lag really on the ST60 but rest assured its fairly high, s60 is much better). However, imo, even having my contrast so low on my ST60, no LCD/LED I have ever owned can hold a candle to a plasma, especially when I'm watching movies with the contrast and settings set normally. Off-angle viewing is perfect, screen uniformity perfect, motion great, etc, etc. My main worry is that I will get IR, but in the end, that is a trade off I'm pretty comfortable making for all the pluses I'm seeing with plasma. IR sucks, some have it worse than others, but eventually, even if it seemingly takes forever IR does fade away (usually lol). But for LED's, clouding, motion blur, screen uniformity, terrible off-angle viewing, those usually don't get better.
I definetly would not compare an LG6200 or any Vizio to a plasma. LOL

I owned the LG 6400, 6700 and 7600 and to be honest my Samsung es7500 blows them out of the water. One thing I cannot argue with is side viewing angles. LED are pure crap when it comes to this.

Runnig your contrast that low is great if you are in a dark room but for daytime viewing a contrast under 50 will just not cut it. If you have any natural light in your room you need it on at least 80 to cut through in daytime hours. If you can't see the picture during the day you might as well not turen the TV on. lol
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

No doubt. I'm a little more conscience now than I was before. However, my viewing habits haven't really changed. The ir is starting to settle down. I think for whatever reason our screens was/is more prone to ir, compared to what has been reported. I would absolutely buy this set again. I'm not an avid gamer & 3D isn't a big hit in my household. What the ST60 does is produce one of the most pristine 2D images you can get for your money. To best it, you would have to spend almost double the price for a marginal gain. What LED did you end up going with? There are some really nice ones out there, but you gotta dig deep.
I was offered a great deal on a Samsung 60es7500. Paid $1,289+tax for it. Is it as good as a plasma 2D picture? In the daytime under lights I would say it is pretty close. At night in a dark room, of course not but with a LED bias backlighting kit it looks damn good at night and evens the playing field a little better. Keeps blacks as black can be.

I started out buying LED TV's and kept returning them becasue of different problems. Then ended up with a Sammy e7000 plasma, then the ST60 on a warrany exchange. Told myself I would never go back to an LED TV after owneing a plasm so it is pretty funny I ended up with an LED TV in the end.
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

I definetly would not compare an LG6200 or any Vizio to a plasma. LOL

I owned the LG 6400, 6700 and 7600 and to be honest my Samsung es7500 blows them out of the water. One thing I cannot argue with is side viewing angles. LED are pure crap when it comes to this.

Runnig your contrast that low is great if you are in a dark room but for daytime viewing a contrast under 50 will just not cut it. If you have any natural light in your room you need it on at least 80 to cut through in daytime hours. If you can't see the picture during the day you might as well not turen the TV on. lol
Well the Vizio was from 2009 I think with the whole "OMG 10,000,000:1 contrast ratio", CNET gave it great ratings and was one of their top 3 tvs recommended that year. But still, it was a Vizio. And the LG6200 was a turd plain and simple. As for the contrast being so low, I can still watch it in daytime like that as I have curtains and blinds where I can control the lighting so its not an issue. For those that can't control lighting, yea probably wouldn't work as well lol.
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

No doubt. I'm a little more conscience now than I was before. However, my viewing habits haven't really changed. The ir is starting to settle down. I think for whatever reason our screens was/is more prone to ir, compared to what has been reported. I would absolutely buy this set again. I'm not an avid gamer & 3D isn't a big hit in my household. What the ST60 does is produce one of the most pristine 2D images you can get for your money. To best it, you would have to spend almost double the price for a marginal gain. What LED did you end up going with? There are some really nice ones out there, but you gotta dig deep.
What was it exactly that gave you IR?
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Originally Posted by garnettrules21 View Post

What was it exactly that gave you IR?
Everything that remained onscreen for little bit. What gave me burn in was ESPN. Not sure how it got there, but what's done is done.
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

Everything that remained onscreen for little bit. What gave me burn in was ESPN. Not sure how it got there, but what's done is done.

Maybe your tv doesn't like ESecPN wink.gif
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Originally Posted by ryansebiz View Post

Here's my st60, wall-mounted, the way nature intended.








Roll Tide.

Nice, but why didn't you run the cables behind the wall, it would look more professional.
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For those of you that mounted their TVs....how high up did you go? I understand the general rule of thumb is to have the center of the screen be at eye level when seated. This seems to come in around 39-40 inches or so. That would mean for the 60" ST60 that the bottom edge of the TV will sit around 23" off the ground, which is basically at TV stand height. But it seems like most have their TVs a little higher. So my question is, how high up? I was making some markings on the wall to try and lay it out and 48 inches on center looks pretty good (but thats just with blue tape on the wall and no TV yet). Thank you.
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I have a 20" Stand and the TV sits about 6 inches above that as my center channel speaker is in between
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Originally Posted by cpie65 View Post

For those of you that mounted their TVs....how high up did you go? I understand the general rule of thumb is to have the center of the screen be at eye level when seated. This seems to come in around 39-40 inches or so. That would mean for the 60" ST60 that the bottom edge of the TV will sit around 23" off the ground, which is basically at TV stand height. But it seems like most have their TVs a little higher. So my question is, how high up? I was making some markings on the wall to try and lay it out and 48 inches on center looks pretty good (but thats just with blue tape on the wall and no TV yet). Thank you.

I like mine to be lower than average, look at my pics.. I think it comes down to personal preference. One thing I despise is when people mount their displays way above their fireplaces..
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Originally Posted by AdamHD View Post

Starting to really think that the IR is a "per panel" issue, not an "ST60 series" issue.

For those of you that have experienced bad IR, what size is your panel?
Terribly old quote here but this got me wondering. How exactly would certain panels be more resistant to IR than others? Like on LED's, blooming/clouding or screen uniformity can probably be tied back to the panel screws/tightenting along the edges and whatnot, placement of screen inside bezel, and some other factors which i'm probably not aware of that takes place at the factory. What exactly would make a plasma panel vary in regards to image retention at a factory level? Just curious as I'm not sure on the plasma end how things can differ panel to panel.

My panel is 55" and was made in March.
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ST60 EU :




" True Cinéma " RGB Gamma 2.4 ...

wink.gif
Edited by Urga - 6/19/13 at 10:00am
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Wow. Would love to know your detailed settings Urga. Those look good.
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Originally Posted by cpinkert View Post

Wow. Would love to know your detailed settings Urga. Those look good.
Lol, I literally just PM'd him about the settings lol. I agree. Always love trying new settings. Even though his is the EU model I'm still curious.
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Originally Posted by Urga View Post

ST60 EU :




" True Cinéma " RGB Gamma 2.4 ...

wink.gif

Nice bluray pics, Yeah even HD cable feeds look better than North America.
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Originally Posted by cpinkert View Post

Wow. Would love to know your detailed settings Urga. Those look good.
These are the parameters ISF calibration night with gamma 2.4 fashion ... cool.gif
I have to give a foromeur MP who has asked me ... wink.gif
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Put ST60 in RGB color sampling is better than Y Cb Cr ... wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

Nice, but why didn't you run the cables behind the wall, it would look more professional.

I would have but I live in an apartment.
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Maybe your tv doesn't like ESecPN wink.gif

Is that why the SEC had 12 first round draft picks and the Big Ten had one?
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

The majority here have reported very little ir. I wasn't so lucky. Now that I've had the tv for a couple of months, it's starting to settle down.

Ok so I had thought i was lucky. From hour 1 there was no IR ever on my panel, however now that i am 300 hours in i am getting IR with just leaving something on the screen for just a minute or so. I am thinking this may be a bigger issue with age but that seems to go against typical plasma IR logic, as your panel ages it should become less susceptible to IR. At least I purchased BB's warranty and they cover Burn In so I feel comfortable. I will just wait it out and see where it goes. I would now agree that this TV has an IR problem as it ages.
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