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post #7231 of 12393
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Originally Posted by longfta View Post

Hi Dank0723,

i also have the 65" Samsung 7100 and i love the pop image but there are some issues. I have own 3 plasma TVs for the past 8 years and love them. I am deciding to return the Samsung and going with either 65 ST60 or VT60. I have been reading a lot of review on the both TVs and saw the VT60 in person and I think the White is not that great with overhead lighting.
I was wondering how did ST60 white and image quality compared to the 7100 or the VT60. Also ared to the 7100?
Also how is 3D compared to the 7100?

Well I just got it yesterday, and I havent had enough time with it to get a decent picture with it yet. Im going to break it in for 100 hours or so, but it definitely doesnt have the pop that the 7100 did. I havent tried the 3d yet, but when I do I will let you know! I love the vivd colors that I got on the 7100, and I know plasmas cant get replicate it, but Id like to find some settings, that maybe not 100% accurate, can give me a nice pic comparable to the LED smile.gif I had the Samsung d8000 plasma before and loved it as well!
post #7232 of 12393
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Originally Posted by MarieAntoinette View Post

I wish Costco carried the ST60. Does anyone know of alternatives at Costco?

They do carry 50" and 65" S64 models. They're a step down from the ST60 in terms of PQ (basically the S60 with the ST60's AR) and you lose 3D and one HDMI. If you can overlook those differences, it might be worth considering.
post #7233 of 12393
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Originally Posted by MarieAntoinette View Post

I was gonna jump on a used 55ST50 from amazon, but they raised the price 400$ before I bit. Amazon Warehouse is a huge gamble, but the price was really good and the only way to still get an ST50. They are usually very amicable to returns. Really dumb of me. The 55ST60 just came down from 1-2 months to 2-5 weeks. But they also just raised the price on that too, from 1350$ up to 1479$
If Costco carried this plasma, I'd go down there today, buy a membership and buy one. Right now I'll probably wait for the 1350$ price point at amazon to return and bite.

What is Sears return policy like? I need to go down to Costco and see what other TV's they have.

Costco's is 90 days 0 questions, its beyond awesome. Worth a membership just for that return policy. Amazon is a solid 30 days. Sears?
I wish Costco carried the ST60. Does anyone know of alternatives at Costco?

Keep in mind that unless the set is damaged or truly defective, you will have to pay the return shipping to Amazon. They no longer cover the return shipping just because you don't like the set.
post #7234 of 12393
Panasonic's store has the P55ST60 for $1350, shipping in "8-12 business days"
http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-P55ST60

"All returns are subject to a 15% restocking fee, at PanasonicDirect's discretion"
http://shop.panasonic.com/legal/policy/club-panasonic.dot#notSatisfied

A local shop only has the 50" model, and says that Panasonic told them that they will get the other sizes at the beginning of September.
post #7235 of 12393
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Originally Posted by Bob_Collins View Post

Keep in mind that unless the set is damaged or truly defective, you will have to pay the return shipping to Amazon. They no longer cover the return shipping just because you don't like the set.

I returned 3 sets to Amazon in the past 6 months, the last being a couple weeks ago. They covered the return shipping every time. Idk if that is the case on the marketplace sales or not, but the prime-eligable enhanced delivery items shouldn't have a problem.
post #7236 of 12393
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Originally Posted by Syradil View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob_Collins View Post

Keep in mind that unless the set is damaged or truly defective, you will have to pay the return shipping to Amazon. They no longer cover the return shipping just because you don't like the set.

I returned 3 sets to Amazon in the past 6 months, the last being a couple weeks ago. They covered the return shipping every time. Idk if that is the case on the marketplace sales or not, but the prime-eligable enhanced delivery items shouldn't have a problem.

Even for Prime, you do have to claim that it's defective and explain why when you set up the return.

ETA: I assume it would be like other items, where you just briefly type in your reason(s), and they don't challenge you about it.
Edited by sawfish - 7/31/13 at 11:17am
post #7237 of 12393
Hmmm. The TV's are a large item, so it might be different. But if you received it and for some reason there was severe damage beyond the description or incredible buzzing or any screen abnormalities, I'd expect amazon to cover return of it. Thats what I'd be expecting to return it for. Bashed out screen. Dead pixels beyond the descriptions, etc.

I'm toying with the idea of buying amazon.com's last 60st50's, before they are gone, rather than wait 1-2 months to get one from amazon. Right now the 60ST60 and the 55ST60 are priced identically @ amazon. If this kind of talk should go into the deal thread, let me know.

From the CNET pictures, the st60 does look a bit better in my opinion. For 150$ more, why wouldn't you go 60", apart from maybe blowing out my room.

My last TV was a 55" GT30 which I adored. Was a bit small though.

Does anyone know how long shipping from Panasonic.com takes after the supposed 8-12 days?
Edited by MarieAntoinette - 7/31/13 at 12:01pm
post #7238 of 12393
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Originally Posted by dank0723 View Post

Hey guys, just made the switch from the Samsung F7100 LED to a 65 ST60. I loved the pop that 7100 gave me, but I had 2 sets with pretty bad clouding frown.gif Anyways, what settings do you guys use on your PS3 with this TV? Like as far as the HDMI color range and so forth. I think the options are under Display Settings on PS3. Using HDMI Full on the PS3 makes the screen VERY dark. Are there preferred settings on the ST60 I could use in tandem with the PS3 to get the optimal picture? Thanks guys!

I think as long as the console and TV match settings you should be ok. So If you set the PS3 to HDMI full, you should set the TV's HDMI to 0-255 instead of the default Standard (20-235). That should solve your dark screen. Or set both console and display to the Standard setting. I'm not clear on whether one way is an advantage over the other, but I do know they should match.
post #7239 of 12393
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Originally Posted by sooke View Post

I think as long as the console and TV match settings you should be ok. So If you set the PS3 to HDMI full, you should set the TV's HDMI to 0-255 instead of the default Standard (20-235). That should solve your dark screen. Or set both console and display to the Standard setting. I'm not clear on whether one way is an advantage over the other, but I do know they should match.

Thanks for the reply Sooke, and nice to see a fellow Raleigh guy smile.gif Which settings would that be under to change the TV HDMI to 0-255? First time Panny owner... Im still used to Samsung hehe.
post #7240 of 12393
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Originally Posted by dank0723 View Post

Hey guys, just made the switch from the Samsung F7100 LED to a 65 ST60. I loved the pop that 7100 gave me, but I had 2 sets with pretty bad clouding frown.gif Anyways, what settings do you guys use on your PS3 with this TV? Like as far as the HDMI color range and so forth. I think the options are under Display Settings on PS3. Using HDMI Full on the PS3 makes the screen VERY dark. Are there preferred settings on the ST60 I could use in tandem with the PS3 to get the optimal picture? Thanks guys!

http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/blu-ray-dvd-disc-media-players/55735-how-properly-set-up-your-sony-ps3-blu-ray-player.html

That should help.
post #7241 of 12393
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Originally Posted by dank0723 View Post

Thanks for the reply Sooke, and nice to see a fellow Raleigh guy smile.gif Which settings would that be under to change the TV HDMI to 0-255? First time Panny owner... Im still used to Samsung hehe.

I think it was under the Advanced Picture menu, if I recall correctly. But I'm also a recent first time Panny owner...

BTW, I almost got the f7100. Never had it in my home though. Wanted to try a plasma for the deep blacks and screen uniformity.
post #7242 of 12393
Set the PS3 to RGB Limited, and 24 HZ/FPS to OFF (for this particular TV).
post #7243 of 12393
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Originally Posted by cyberbri View Post

Set the PS3 to RGB Limited, and 24 HZ/FPS to OFF (for this particular TV).

Yes leave 24hz off, but set RGB to full and change rgb settings in advance menu on TV from standard to nonstandard. Don't leave it on limited.
post #7244 of 12393
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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post

How do you assess this? Looking at patterns from AVS709 and Spears, it looks the same as I remember. The top and bottom edge lines are in the frame, but the left and right ones are outside it.

Thanks for checking, it sounds like it's still the same. It was brought up in this thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1468721/panny-2013-3d-overscan-issue

Is there a reason the left and right are stretched out?
post #7245 of 12393
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Originally Posted by Raikirik View Post

Thanks for checking, it sounds like it's still the same. It was brought up in this thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1468721/panny-2013-3d-overscan-issue

Is there a reason the left and right are stretched out?

That's consistent with what I saw on the video patterns. 2D is fine, of course. I don't know why they do this, but then I don't know anything about 3D.
post #7246 of 12393
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Originally Posted by Dabois09 View Post

Yes leave 24hz off, but set RGB to full and change rgb settings in advance menu on TV from standard to nonstandard. Don't leave it on limited.

If you do Full instead of limited, it only affects games and not Blu-ray (when Blu-ray output is Y/Pb/Pr) . So you will have to change the setting back and forth and/or have different calibration settings for games and movies.

And if you run the PS3 through a receiver with other devices, then it won't match the output of the other devices and require different picture settings.

And as long as you calibrate the black/white levels properly, there should be no visual difference in the end.

Most people leave it at Limited, with Super-White set to on for Y/Pb/Pr, and then can use the same TV picture settings for everything.
post #7247 of 12393
Thanks for the responses guys! Looks like Ill be leaving it on Limited. (I changed it to Full when I had my 7100 to match with some other calibration settings) What is the reason why 24hz should be turned off on this particular tv?
post #7248 of 12393
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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post

That's consistent with what I saw on the video patterns. 2D is fine, of course. I don't know why they do this, but then I don't know anything about 3D.

I haven't even tried 3D yet since I was reading all the early complaints about it, but after the firmware came out I became eager to try it. Too bad it's still stretched horizontally. I tried asking around the VT thread but no luck getting an answer.

Thanks again for checking.
post #7249 of 12393
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Originally Posted by Raikirik View Post

I haven't even tried 3D yet since I was reading all the early complaints about it, but after the firmware came out I became eager to try it. Too bad it's still stretched horizontally. I tried asking around the VT thread but no luck getting an answer.

Thanks again for checking.

I have not noticed any "horizontal stretching" in any of the 3D movies I have watched. I have 24fps turned on in my player(oppo 105) but I read where some ST60 owners have it turned off in the player. What would be the reason for this? Thanks.
post #7250 of 12393
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Originally Posted by dank0723 View Post

What is the reason why 24hz should be turned off on this particular tv?

If you are not a fan of motion smoother and things like that, running 24Hz into the TV sometimes produces some strange frame speeds that resemble that. Running 24Hz into the TV, doing 60 on the TV end reduced it the most (compared to 48/96), but it was still a little jarring for me sometimes. It's the conversion from 24fps to the other rates. Having the PS3 do the conversion works best, at least for me and others.

You are of course welcome to try the different settings and see what works best for you.
post #7251 of 12393
This latest update did not fix my problem with using viera Link with my yamaha receiver. No ARC. No on/off and volume control which worked perfectly with my four year old viera plasma. Viera app still says unavailable.
post #7252 of 12393
Anyone have tested console gaming with the new firmware, any improvement?... I know the answer but... we never know. smile.gif
post #7253 of 12393
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Originally Posted by cyberbri View Post

If you do Full instead of limited, it only affects games and not Blu-ray (when Blu-ray output is Y/Pb/Pr) . So you will have to change the setting back and forth and/or have different calibration settings for games and movies.

And if you run the PS3 through a receiver with other devices, then it won't match the output of the other devices and require different picture settings.

And as long as you calibrate the black/white levels properly, there should be no visual difference in the end.

Most people leave it at Limited, with Super-White set to on for Y/Pb/Pr, and then can use the same TV picture settings for everything.
Thanks for the explanation,I will try this as well.
post #7254 of 12393
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Originally Posted by odd-props View Post

This latest update did not fix my problem with using viera Link with my yamaha receiver. No ARC. No on/off and volume control which worked perfectly with my four year old viera plasma. Viera app still says unavailable.

Which Yamaha receiver? ARC works fine with both of my Yamahas. HDMI from receiver to TV needs to be input 2. ARC and HDMI control on the receiver need to be on and the Viera Link on the TV needs to be on. With the receiver powered on that should allow access to the Viera app.
Edited by samijubal - 7/31/13 at 4:12pm
post #7255 of 12393
I don't know if this is a TV issue with the HDMI or a receiver or roku. To make things short, no videos would play on my roku even though the ui still works until I try playing a video. I had it going thru my receiver and then I unplugged it and connected it straight to one of the HDMI ports. It still doesn't play any videos. I then moved it to my bedroom TV and everything is playing fine. I'm guessing it's the TV itself but I'm just confuse how it allows me to navigate the Roku's user interface but just not play any live videos. Any help would be appreciated.
post #7256 of 12393
I am looking at the 65'' st60. Here is a picture of my living room. I closed the blinds and it is evening so a little darker. Will this be too bright for a plasma? I do mostly evening TV watching, but on the weekends I do watch some during the day. I have currently a Sharp Aquos 56'' LCD and I think the image is ugly. Sometimes there is enough glare on the LCD that I have to close some curtains (also I leave the brightness of the LCD at about 50%).

The images are from L to R. At the furthest R is the TV in a nook. Too small for 70''+ TVs!


post #7257 of 12393
Asked this in the input lag thread too: Is anyone able to test if 1080p Pixel Direct is still adding 1 frame of input lag since the firmware update? Since they fixed the sharpening bug with it I'm wondering if it still adds input lag.

It'd also be nice if we could get a test to see if it changed at all in general.
post #7258 of 12393
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Originally Posted by noobhere View Post

I don't know if this is a TV issue with the HDMI or a receiver or roku. To make things short, no videos would play on my roku even though the ui still works until I try playing a video. I had it going thru my receiver and then I unplugged it and connected it straight to one of the HDMI ports. It still doesn't play any videos. I then moved it to my bedroom TV and everything is playing fine. I'm guessing it's the TV itself but I'm just confuse how it allows me to navigate the Roku's user interface but just not play any live videos. Any help would be appreciated.
Move the Hdmi cable to check it.
post #7259 of 12393
I am using Cadett's settings and thought the picture looked great, thanks for posting them. Applied the software update tonight and after it was complete my first reaction was, wow the picture looks even more stunning than before.
It was a live baseball game on ESPN. Maybe the picture is a little too bright now, not sure. I know that my settings are unchanged but could the firmware update cause a need to re-calibrate the picture? I did notice now when a network
status is done the results are just about instant, it was previously very slow to complete.
post #7260 of 12393
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Originally Posted by nrc2112 View Post

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Originally Posted by noobhere View Post

I don't know if this is a TV issue with the HDMI or a receiver or roku. To make things short, no videos would play on my roku even though the ui still works until I try playing a video. I had it going thru my receiver and then I unplugged it and connected it straight to one of the HDMI ports. It still doesn't play any videos. I then moved it to my bedroom TV and everything is playing fine. I'm guessing it's the TV itself but I'm just confuse how it allows me to navigate the Roku's user interface but just not play any live videos. Any help would be appreciated.
Move the Hdmi cable to check it.
I did move it and it does the same thing. I've change different HDMI cables and all too. I'll have to call Panasonic tomorrow and hopefully have someone can take a look at it.

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