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post #8041 of 12340
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

I know the Kuro's have great PQ, but you have to admit they are getting a little dated. I'm not saying they don't have a great picture, but a new Panny with a 60" screen vs a Kuro with a 50" screen would be a no brainer for me. For the little difference in PQ the 60" would be my main panel. I've learned that the Kuro guys would rather give up their kids than their panel, kidding but you get the point biggrin.gif
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post #8042 of 12340
It really is a tough time to upgrade your panel, at least for me. I really wanted a UHD OLED, sadly there aren't any (yet). On top of that OLED is unproven, they are curved and cost a fortune. I can't even find a 2160 LED/LCD panel in my area. There is no 4K content to speak of and it may be years before it ever "takes off"
This leads me to the ST60 which I could barely demo in BB ultra bright store, but I saw enough to know I wanted one. The pro reviews and the reviews by AVS members for this panel are just incredible. So either I wait for OLED to come down to mere mortal man prices or get this panel now. For $1,500 (60") this really is a no brainer, and who knows if I hit a sale before Christmas maybe I can shave a hundred or two off of that. I just upgraded 3 of my speakers and my pre/pro and right now I'm looking for a deal. With a good calibration I think this panel is a keeper for quite a few years smile.gif
post #8043 of 12340
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Originally Posted by bak_phy View Post

Sorry about the repeat. On train and its not clear what actually makes it through the ether..

It's really amazing to me that 6 years after I bought the pioneer there can even be a discussion about PQ..
At the time when I bought the kuro I figured I would on it for 10 years At which point oled would dominate. Nothing that I have seen would really invalidate that conclusion. (I wish everything else I figured turned out as well) Saw the the Samsung OLED and OMG......
However, life had been good to me and I have the luxury problem of a second TV 5 years early.

Can anyone seriously say, who has seen both, that.the panny is now better? I couldn't care less about the smart parts which I can add for <$100.

There's a thread dedicated to that topic - I would move this over there. My 5020 is now relegated to back up - enjoying my VT60 that much. Check out just posted reviews by Home Theatre as well.
post #8044 of 12340
I'm giving it 5 years on the ST60 & Plasma & thinking that will be the earliest we will see 4K content & OLED adoption.
Still think it's more 7-10 years though for mass appeal. We just got digital & 1080i to the masses like 5 years ago & that was like 8 years after they announced all the current 'wonder' standards that we currently use.

We can say all we want about technology adoption being accelerated but @ the end of the day, the TV stations,content providers, & users are just getting to this party.
I jut dont think the appetite is there for upgrades just yet.
post #8045 of 12340
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Originally Posted by tripleM View Post

I'm giving it 5 years on the ST60 & Plasma & thinking that will be the earliest we will see 4K content & OLED adoption.
Still think it's more 7-10 years though for mass appeal. We just got digital & 1080i to the masses like 5 years ago & that was like 8 years after they announced all the current 'wonder' standards that we currently use.

We can say all we want about technology adoption being accelerated but @ the end of the day, the TV stations,content providers, & users are just getting to this party.
I jut dont think the appetite is there for upgrades just yet.


and with Panasonic plasma's coming to an end, I can't think of a better time to upgrade your panel. There's going to be a big gap between now and a reasonably priced OLED. And as you stated, it's going to be light years before we see any type of this content on TV.
post #8046 of 12340
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Originally Posted by hoosierdsddie View Post

and with Panasonic plasma's coming to an end, I can't think of a better time to upgrade your panel. There's going to be a big gap between now and a reasonably priced OLED. And as you stated, it's going to be light years before we see any type of this content on TV.



In the end this is exactly why I'm going with the ST60.
post #8047 of 12340
I am planning to make a jump from my Samsung 50" C430 plasma (3-year-old model) to the 65" ST60.
Is black level a night and day difference? How about SD content upscaling? Is the Panasonic upscaler much better than my old Samsung?
Have anyone watch Zero Dark Thirty on their ST60 plasma? The last 30 minutes is dark (pun intended).
post #8048 of 12340

Hi everyone.  I'm hoping someone can help me out here.  I've looked in both the user manual as well as the online ehelp manual, but can't find the answer.  My brother just ordered a 50ST60, and he is planning on getting a soundbar.  However, it's unclear on the whole volume thing.

 

  • Is the optical digital audio output fixed or variable?
  • Can the Panasonic remote be programmed to control a Sony soundbar?
  • Or, is HDMI ARC the only way of having volume control sent to the soundbar (via CEC)?
    • If CEC is the only "clean" way to do it, is HDMI-2 the only input that has ARC?
    • Also, I'm guessing the HDMI-ARC port has to be dedicated to the soundbar, right?  So no other device can be plugged into it?
  • Universal Remotes are of course always an option, but in this scenario he's trying to not spend even more money..  (So please don't suggest one, it doesn't help him or me..  :) )

 

 

Also, I'm scared to ask (because it's just a soundbar and not a fancy home theater), but what is the general opinion on the Sony HTCT260?

 

thanks so much in advance,

..dane

post #8049 of 12340
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Originally Posted by candoan View Post

Finally, my 60ST60 is coming on this Friday after months of waiting. Wish me luck.

Yeahhhhhh My 60ST60 was delivered yesterday and it's in 100 hour Dnice's process but I did snick in 1 3D movie. Just a big WHOA with the PQ.
I'll post some pictures soon.

Thanks for your supports.
post #8050 of 12340
Just got my ST60. I've heard about DNice and slides and all that to break it in and prevent burn in. Honestly, I've sort of glossed over all of it because there is so much talk about it. So, bottom line, do I really need to go through all of that? What are the benefits? Is it burn in prevention or color calibration accuracy? I'm open to doing it but want more info. But I am wondering if it's that necessary why doesn't Panasonic do it at the factory? Thanks guys!
post #8051 of 12340
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Originally Posted by videoboy77 View Post

Just got my ST60. I've heard about DNice and slides and all that to break it in and prevent burn in. Honestly, I've sort of glossed over all of it because there is so much talk about it. So, bottom line, do I really need to go through all of that? What are the benefits? Is it burn in prevention or color calibration accuracy? I'm open to doing it but want more info. But I am wondering if it's that necessary why doesn't Panasonic do it at the factory? Thanks guys!

Slides were created ONLY to age the panel and to be calibrated using D-nice settings. You can age the panel just by simply watching full screen content. For the first 100hrs it is advised to not watch 4:3 content as you want to age the screen panel evenly. Movies with black bars are fine as long as you vary your content. Pretty much all panels are different. Some are more prone to IR than others, some have minor but it goes away, some don't have any at all. Slides have nothing to do to prevent IR/BI.

Panasonic does not need to do any slides because they are not needed, that's why it comes with different video default settings. You can use Cnet custom settings for the first 100hrs and you would be fine. It is advice if you want to get it calibrated to wait until 200-300hrs. The panel gets better as it ages also. Hopefully this answered some of your questions.
post #8052 of 12340
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Originally Posted by audiodane View Post

Hi everyone.  I'm hoping someone can help me out here.  I've looked in both the user manual as well as the online ehelp manual, but can't find the answer.  My brother just ordered a 50ST60, and he is planning on getting a soundbar.  However, it's unclear on the whole volume thing.
  • Is the optical digital audio output fixed or variable?
  • Can the Panasonic remote be programmed to control a Sony soundbar?
  • Or, is HDMI ARC the only way of having volume control sent to the soundbar (via CEC)?
    • If CEC is the only "clean" way to do it, is HDMI-2 the only input that has ARC?
    • Also, I'm guessing the HDMI-ARC port has to be dedicated to the soundbar, right?  So no other device can be plugged into it?
  • Universal Remotes are of course always an option, but in this scenario he's trying to not spend even more money..  (So please don't suggest one, it doesn't help him or me..  smile.gif )


Also, I'm scared to ask (because it's just a soundbar and not a fancy home theater), but what is the general opinion on the Sony HTCT260?

thanks so much in advance,
..dane

Output from optical is fixed.

Remote is not universal.

HDMI 2 is tho only input with ARC.

The only way I've been able to control external volume with the TV remote is the Viera Link in apps which can be a little flaky with receivers, everything has to be set up right or the app won't open, I don't know if it would work with a soundbar or not.
post #8053 of 12340
This is four years old, but still noteworthy. If I'm being redundant here please disregard. I saw a post that mentioned that Pioneer should've sold to Panasonic their plasma tech. This is from the NYTimes:

Panasonic is in good position to benefit from Kuro’s death. Most of the Pioneer engineers who came up with Kuro switched sides and are now working for Panasonic. In addition, recent demos have shown that Panasonic plasmas are nearing Kuro quality. Already in possession of the biggest plasma market share in the world (at more than 35 percent), the company will be able to build a diversified product line using plasma TVs as a premium screen type that appeals to a niche that still wants them. Add to that the fact that it receives significant revenues from selling its glass to other companies, including JVC and Fujitsu, and it appears that it’ll be able to keep plasmas afloat longer than any other company.

Link:

http://www.nytimes.com/external/gigaom/2009/02/21/21gigaom-pioneers-kuro-killing-a-tipping-point-in-the-plas-18932.html

Also, here is a question:

If Kuros were not prone to IR or burn-in, why are Panasonics? I really don't expect someone to actually know an answer to this, but it was something I couldn't help thinking. Most posters, from what I've read, claim that the older Pannys are less likely to and less prone to acquire IR. Also, does the 3D feature have something to do with it? I've read that the tech that goes into a 3D panel is different from a standard 2D panel.

I say this because I'm getting EXTREME IR on my ST60 after at least 1500 hours of use. I know that is for another thread, and yes I am addressing it there as well.

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post #8054 of 12340
My ST60 is a lot less prone to IR than my 5 and 6 year old Pannys, has been from day one.
post #8055 of 12340
After waiting 3 weeks, my 60 inch ST60 was delivered last Thursday (manufacture date April 2013)! I have it all set up and calibrated. I am in love! The image is absolutely stunning. My former TV was a 51 inch rear projection CRT Sony from 2001. It was HD 1080i and it still had a very nice image. Compared to my mother's Panasonic LED, I much preferred the image on my Sony RPT. The Sony's image did not have as much detail or sharpness, but the black level and the depth of the image was much better than any of the LED TVs I have seen. The image on a LED TV looks flat and 2 dimensional to me.

But, this plasma is just in another league! Colors pop more, resolution, detail and sharpness is astounding, and the blacks are even better than my Sony CRT RPT. On a 2.35:1 movie with black bars on the top and bottom in a dark room, the black bars totally disappear into the darkness. The image is just so clear it's unbelievable.

I calibrated with the Disney WOW disk. My settings are very close to those of Hometheater.com and C-Net. Here they are:

Picture mode: Cinema

Contrast: 81

Brightness: +1

Color: 56

Tint: 0

Sharpness: 15

Color temp: Warm 2

Panel brightness: Mid

AGC: 0

Black extension: 0

Color gamut: Normal

Gamma: 2.4

All the CATS, NR, motion smoother gizmos: Off
post #8056 of 12340
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

Slides were created ONLY to age the panel and to be calibrated using D-nice settings. You can age the panel just by simply watching full screen content. For the first 100hrs it is advised to not watch 4:3 content as you want to age the screen panel evenly. Movies with black bars are fine as long as you vary your content. Pretty much all panels are different. Some are more prone to IR than others, some have minor but it goes away, some don't have any at all. Slides have nothing to do to prevent IR/BI.

Panasonic does not need to do any slides because they are not needed, that's why it comes with different video default settings. You can use Cnet custom settings for the first 100hrs and you would be fine. It is advice if you want to get it calibrated to wait until 200-300hrs. The panel gets better as it ages also. Hopefully this answered some of your questions.

That's very helpful, thanks.
post #8057 of 12340
Read this on the Cnet review..""but first let me describe a couple of dumb additions. When you first power on the set you're greeted not by whatever source you last chose -- typically your cable box -- but instead by the home page for the Smart TV suite. Panasonic tells us this is a conscious design decision, meant to make users more aware of the existence of the Smart features and encourage their use. I consider it an annoying intrusion, so I was glad to discover you can (mostly) turn it off so that the TV will start up on the full-screen page.""

How do you turn off the home page for the "Smart TV suite", and what do they mean by "mostly" turn it off? I will be using this TV with a Tivo and will ONLY be using the Tivo remote to control the TV. Will this be a problem? Thanks for any help.
post #8058 of 12340
I think this is everything, but I could be wrong.

Menu - Setup - Display Settings - banner = off
Menu - Setup - Viera Link = off


If you get the right settings, you should only see the narrow bar at the top of the screen when you turn on the TV, with no banners or other Home/menus.
post #8059 of 12340
Hi guys! This is a very log thread so if discused before I apologies. Please, could someone from the calibrators tell me what are the corect patterns to be used for calibrating the st60? And also should I aim for itu:1886 gama? I've calibrated for 2.4 flat gama and itu and the last one seems better. Also if ther's some other tips for calibrating this model. In my country there's no calibrator so I have to do it for myself. Thank you!
post #8060 of 12340
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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post

Output from optical is fixed.

Remote is not universal.

HDMI 2 is tho only input with ARC.

The only way I've been able to control external volume with the TV remote is the Viera Link in apps which can be a little flaky with receivers, everything has to be set up right or the app won't open, I don't know if it would work with a soundbar or not.

Thanks so much for this feedback, I really do appreciate it!

..dane
post #8061 of 12340
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Originally Posted by cyberbri View Post

I think this is everything, but I could be wrong.

Menu - Setup - Display Settings - banner = off
Menu - Setup - Viera Link = off


If you get the right settings, you should only see the narrow bar at the top of the screen when you turn on the TV, with no banners or other Home/menus.

Does the narrow bar go away by itself after a few seconds? Thanks again for your help as I am considering buying this TV next week.
post #8062 of 12340
So the price and stellar picture quality of the st60 sounds incredible. But the poor input lag worries me a bit. I don't game very much anymore but with the upcoming ps4 that may change. Anyone game on the st60? Is it really as bad as the numbers say?

The st60 is definitely on my short list but two strikes are the input lag and I have a pretty bright TV room with 4 large windows on two sides and two skylights.
post #8063 of 12340
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Originally Posted by bak_phy View Post

It's really amazing to me that 6 years after I bought the pioneer there can even be a discussion about PQ..
One of the first units we personally helped market was the NEC 50XR5A, sold a ton of them. Many people still have them and they are still blown away by the picture. Asides from black level, that will hang tough with the units in market today. These are a few years older then the Kuro by the way.
post #8064 of 12340
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

One of the first units we personally helped market was the NEC 50XR5A, sold a ton of them. Many people still have them and they are still blown away by the picture. Asides from black level, that will hang tough with the units in market today. These are a few years older then the Kuro by the way.



After this year will you change your name to Cleveland OLED? biggrin.gif Kidding but it looks like the last hurrah for plasma panels. The other side of this is I'm not convinced OLED is going to make it. Lots of unanswered questions IMO.
post #8065 of 12340
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Originally Posted by easycruise View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by cyberbri View Post

I think this is everything, but I could be wrong.

Menu - Setup - Display Settings - banner = off
Menu - Setup - Viera Link = off


If you get the right settings, you should only see the narrow bar at the top of the screen when you turn on the TV, with no banners or other Home/menus.

Does the narrow bar go away by itself after a few seconds? Thanks again for your help as I am considering buying this TV next week.

Yes, it goes away after 3~4 seconds.
post #8066 of 12340
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Originally Posted by garath View Post

So the price and stellar picture quality of the st60 sounds incredible. But the poor input lag worries me a bit. I don't game very much anymore but with the upcoming ps4 that may change. Anyone game on the st60? Is it really as bad as the numbers say?

The st60 is definitely on my short list but two strikes are the input lag and I have a pretty bright TV room with 4 large windows on two sides and two skylights.


No issues, it's overblown. It's not a problem for most people.
If you're playing online and worried about competitive edge, you should put more effort into the internet connection and router NAT + port forwarding, and using the wire with the controller.
post #8067 of 12340
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

After this year will you change your name to Cleveland OLED? biggrin.gif Kidding but it looks like the last hurrah for plasma panels. The other side of this is I'm not convinced OLED is going to make it. Lots of unanswered questions IMO.
I stopped by BB in manhattan last week and they had the Samsung OLED on display. It obviously looked a bit small in the magnolia section but blew away anything that I had ever seen. And this was in the store where everything looks bad! Although 9k is a bit much for something which may develop issues in a year or two, there is no doubt that it is the future.
So I saved my money and bought a panny STrather than the ZT
post #8068 of 12340
Who else is loving some football on their ST60?!?! On this 60" it's Iike I'm in a box at the stadium. Loving it. smile.gif
post #8069 of 12340
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Originally Posted by bak_phy View Post

I stopped by BB in manhattan last week and they had the Samsung OLED on display. It obviously looked a bit small in the magnolia section but blew away anything that I had ever seen. And this was in the store where everything looks bad! Although 9k is a bit much for something which may develop issues in a year or two, there is no doubt that it is the future.
So I saved my money and bought a panny STrather than the ZT



I'm almost convinced it is the future, but I think there's still a chance OLED won't make it. No UHD, no HDMI 2.0, it's curved and it costs a fortune, it is unproven and was a nightmare bringing it to the TV market. I'll pass for awhile. I don't blame you I've talked to people that have seen all the new Panny plasmas and they said the VT and ZT have a very slight PQ advantage. Hopefully by Christmas I'll have the 60" ST on my wall smile.gif
Edited by comfynumb - 9/8/13 at 11:40am
post #8070 of 12340
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Originally Posted by HD2Blu View Post

Who else is loving some football on their ST60?!?! On this 60" it's Iike I'm in a box at the stadium. Loving it. smile.gif

Ditto!!!

I thought watching my Boston Red Sox on NESN was an incredible picture all summer but the NFL on today's network channels, especially NFL Network's Thursday night Denver game simply blew me away. I've been enjoying this 50ST60 since laat April and thought I had a pretty good handle on what this plasma was capable of but Thursday nights Denver game took my expectations to a new level all together. I'm really looking forward to NBC's Sunday Night Football tonight, NY G-men @ Dallas Cowboys (America's Team). Sweet! cool.gif

Can't help but wonder just how much better the ZT picture could be when I'm enjoying the ST this much?

Cheers,
Robin
Edited by Robin Bombard - 9/8/13 at 12:31pm
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