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post #8131 of 12340
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Originally Posted by LABNEWF View Post

my wd is the live plus it does not have the wifi. I just hook up the hdmi to the tv and the hdd to the wd live plus. Havent had any buffering issues with this set up but if you are streaming over the dlna i would imagine hard wired is faster. Really would depend on the speed of you're internet connection and router throughput speeds. I know from past experience though with a Nas setup there is always a bit of a buffer on hd content. Depending on how many devices are running of you're home network it will def run into buffer and disconnect issues from time to time. I am sure there are a ton of guys on this forum though who have screaming server setups who might help shed a little more light for you .

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My home network is using Cox Communications and Netgear N300 router. I'm not sure if I need to do something to get the router to reach further or what. Not too knowledgeable with fiddling with connection/router issues. Speedtest shows roughly 20Mbps DOWN & 4.5Mbps UP

I've asked a few questions in the networking forum on here, but there wasn't too much traffic
post #8132 of 12340
Well, I've had my 60 inch ST60 for 8 days now. I am still in awe of this TV! I have 55 hours on it now. Has anyone else noticed that image quality improves as the panel ages? I watched this TV for several hours last weekend. I have a good idea of what it looked like during those first hours (0- 30 hours). It was stunning.

But, at about the 50 hour mark, the image looks sharper, more 3D like, and the colors seem to pop even more! Does plasma get better with break in? I did not think it could look better, but there is a definite improvement. I guess it could be my eyes adjusting to the new TV, but I am confident that isn't the case.
post #8133 of 12340
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Originally Posted by Indy60 View Post

Well, I've had my 60 inch ST60 for 8 days now. I am still in awe of this TV! I have 55 hours on it now. Has anyone else noticed that image quality improves as the panel ages? I watched this TV for several hours last weekend. I have a good idea of what it looked like during those first hours (0- 30 hours). It was stunning.

But, at about the 50 hour mark, the image looks sharper, more 3D like, and the colors seem to pop even more! Does plasma get better with break in? I did not think it could look better, but there is a definite improvement. I guess it could be my eyes adjusting to the new TV, but I am confident that isn't the case.

It's a fact that plasma does get better with age...I believe it reaches its peak at about 4000 hours. The amount of hours I'm not sure DNICE or a pro calibrator would know better
post #8134 of 12340
Got my 60st60 yesterday to replace my KURO 5080HD. I can't believe how thin these things have gotten. I think the picture frames on my walls are wider.

I haven't had much time to play around with the settings yet. I just changed it to home theater mode. It looks pretty good but doesn't really have the pop of my last TV. I watched some "So you think you can dance" on cable(FIOS) (I'm not a huge fan but it does have very fast motion and high contrast scenes) and noticed that the brightly colored backgrounds had a lot of noise in them even from a fair distance. I'm not sure if its an issue with the source. FOX transmits HD in 720p and I had the box set to output 1080i (no option for straight throughput), so it seems like the picture has to be processed twice. Once in the box and once in the TV.

I also tried Netflix and quickly realized that I needed to turn the motion smoother off!!! Does anyone actually like the soap opera effect? The colors seemed muted and the picture a bit dull. Again it might be the source. I used Netflix straight through the TV over wireless. I'll try and hook my apple TV (2g) to see if Netflix looks better that way.

Strangely enough I have a vague recollection (0its been a while) of having the same exact feelings about the 5080HD when I hooked it up. Calibration and age must have fixed those issues that time as the PQ is pretty flawless now (at least to my eyes)

Edit: I did notice that the blacks were amazing. Probably better than on my KURO.
Edited by bak_phy - 9/13/13 at 7:23am
post #8135 of 12340
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Originally Posted by SeLfMaDe111985 View Post

It's a fact that plasma does get better with age...I believe it reaches its peak at about 4000 hours.

How did you come up with this "fact"? Or that 4000 hour number ?
post #8136 of 12340
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Originally Posted by Indy60 View Post

Well, I've had my 60 inch ST60 for 8 days now. I am still in awe of this TV! I have 55 hours on it now. Has anyone else noticed that image quality improves as the panel ages? I watched this TV for several hours last weekend. I have a good idea of what it looked like during those first hours (0- 30 hours). It was stunning.

But, at about the 50 hour mark, the image looks sharper, more 3D like, and the colors seem to pop even more! Does plasma get better with break in? I did not think it could look better, but there is a definite improvement. I guess it could be my eyes adjusting to the new TV, but I am confident that isn't the case.

I noticed the same on my set. Everyday I come home from work and fire it up, I smile at just how gorgeous the picture quality is considering the price I paid; the ST60 has truly got to be one of the best, if not the best value ever for a television.

I also noticed that my IR has gone down significantly at around over 200 hours. Just last week every time i tuned in to ESPN or NFL network the static logos and ticker scrolls would immediately show up as IR, and it would take an hour plus of watching full screen content to get rid of it; I was really beginning to worry that it wouldn't improve. Then I noticed this week that it hardly shows and goes away in a matter of minutes. I'm assuming this is normal? or does it vary by panel?
post #8137 of 12340
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Originally Posted by bak_phy View Post

Got my 60st60 yesterday to replace my KURO 5080HD. I can't believe how thin these things have gotten. I think the picture frames on my walls are wider.

I haven't had much time to play around with the settings yet. I just changed it to home theater mode. It looks pretty good but doesn't really have the pop of my last TV. I watched some "So you think you can dance" on cable(FIOS) (I'm not a huge fan but it does have very fast motion and high contrast scenes) and noticed that the brightly colored backgrounds had a lot of noise in them even from a fair distance. I'm not sure if its an issue with the source. FOX transmits HD in 720p and I had the box set to output 1080i (no option for straight throughput), so it seems like the picture has to be processed twice. Once in the box and once in the TV.

I also tried Netflix and quickly realized that I needed to turn the motion smoother off!!! Does anyone actually like the soap opera effect? The colors seemed muted and the picture a bit dull. Again it might be the source. I used Netflix straight through the TV over wireless. I'll try and hook my apple TV (2g) to see if Netflix looks better that way.

Strangely enough I have a vague recollection (0its been a while) of having the same exact feelings about the 5080HD when I hooked it up. Calibration and age must have fixed those issues that time as the PQ is pretty flawless now (at least to my eyes)

Edit: I did notice that the blacks were amazing. Probably better than on my KURO.


Every show is different, with different lighting, colors, picture quality, etc.

What picture settings are you using? The most accurate ones are going to be Cinema and Custom. You'll have to re-do settings on each input (and Netflix/Internet), unless you set one up and then use the "copy to all inputs" option.
post #8138 of 12340
I was using the home theater setting with all the motion smoothing off and contrast at (I think 70ish) I haven't touched anything else.

I've bought the Disney WOW blueray so I'll give that a try tonight. In a few months, when the TV is broken in, I'll probably attempt to do a full calibration with a sensor. I had some luck with that on my last TV although given the time it took I'd probably have been better off getting an ISF guy out. I'll probably have to buy a new sensor as my S2 is a bit old and has really been treated very well. I hear the i1D3 is excellent. Hopefully it'll be a bit easier this time as I don't have to mess around in the service menu and my MacBook pro has HDMI out (with dongle) for the patterns.

I hadn't really thought about it before but does the smart apps have their own "input?" Does each app have its own?
post #8139 of 12340
Cool.

The apps don't each have their own input, but I believe Netflix and other apps are "Internet." The picture/video viewer might be separate as well. But settings should still copy over if you use the Copy function.
post #8140 of 12340
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Originally Posted by cyberbri View Post

Cool.

The apps don't each have their own input, but I believe Netflix and other apps are "Internet." The picture/video viewer might be separate as well. But settings should still copy over if you use the Copy function.

Thanks.... I'll post my adventures with this TV.
post #8141 of 12340
I had a chance to watch the new Star Trek last night rented from ATV. It's clear now that the issues which I mentioned in an earlier post regarding noise in the picture was entirely due to the source. During Star Trek the picture was as clear as could be. The colors were off a a bit but that should be an "easy" fix with calibration.
post #8142 of 12340
Anyone ordered directly from Panasonic and had them send an email requesting some verification of who you are (to prevent fraud)? A friend of mine did, and Panasonic wanted a photocopy of a driver's license or recent utility bill to verify name and address.

John
post #8143 of 12340
We have not ever gone to that degree, however fraud is a big concern with high ticket items. I can understand why they are asking, of course they might as well get DNA at that point biggrin.gif
post #8144 of 12340
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Originally Posted by Indy60 View Post

Well, I've had my 60 inch ST60 for 8 days now. I am still in awe of this TV! I have 55 hours on it now. Has anyone else noticed that image quality improves as the panel ages? I watched this TV for several hours last weekend. I have a good idea of what it looked like during those first hours (0- 30 hours). It was stunning.

But, at about the 50 hour mark, the image looks sharper, more 3D like, and the colors seem to pop even more! Does plasma get better with break in? I did not think it could look better, but there is a definite improvement. I guess it could be my eyes adjusting to the new TV, but I am confident that isn't the case.
I can't quantify it, either. But after a couple weeks of use (guess 5 hours/day) - it definitely seemed better. Originally the picture just seemed "dead" and was dark. It then became more "live"and bright.
post #8145 of 12340
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Originally Posted by falsedawn View Post

Anyone ordered directly from Panasonic and had them send an email requesting some verification of who you are (to prevent fraud)? A friend of mine did, and Panasonic wanted a photocopy of a driver's license or recent utility bill to verify name and address.

John

Turns out this was legitimate. Panasonic said they do this because they are worried that someone visiting you can gain access to your credit card and order something. Maybe what they're really worried about is some spiteful kid using his/her parent's card.

John
post #8146 of 12340
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Originally Posted by damag0r View Post

So I have a P50ST60 I got as a replacement from Panasonic for my UT50 which was developing horrible discoloration issues, where the center of the screen was pinkish and the edges were greenish... it had gotten so bad by the time I had put 2000 hours or so on it I could notice the discoloration in people's skin tones as they walked across the screen and it was of course especially noticeable if there was ever a white background, people wearing white shirts, or white clouds in the sky.

After about only 125 hours of use I started to notice something similar with this ST60. It's not nearly as bad or noticeable, it's just a bit noticeable when there is a perfectly white or grey background. Most of the screen is pinkish, with the center being the most pink.... and the left side is a tiny tiny bit greenish. I also can feel that the left side of the set gets a bit hotter than the right side.

Anyone else seen this issue, and if so... did they notice it getting progressively worse as time went on, or did it stablize or even reverse itself? Could it have anything to do with overheating? I keep it pretty cool in this room, but don't some Panasonic Plasmas models have fans in them for cooling?

It has about 275 hours on it now, and I haven't noticed it getting worse... it seems to have evened out a bit actually... so that the screen is overall evenly a tiny bit pinkish... which I can live with... but what i'm worried about is if the left side gets totally green compared to the rest of the screen if I'll start noticing it like I did on the right side of my UT50 where I noticed it constantly even on normal content.

I'm wondering if all of their panels have this issue to a degree, and if even their ZT60's have it too... it's really disappointing. But as long as it doesn't get any worse than it is now... it won't really be an issue... but if it gets progressively worse like it did with my UT50 I'm going to have to ding Panasonic pretty bad for not being able to make a damned PDP panel that doesn't have horrible, horrible, color uniformity. (and I thought color uniformity was supposed to be a strength of plasma over LCD?!)

So no one else is noticing this if they play a white/gray background or certain test patterns? Finding it hard to believe as the only two Panasonic plasmas I've owned have both gotten this issue. It has about 350 hours on it now and the problem isn't any worse or any better, at least it is not noticeable at all while viewing normal content like it was on my UT50 I had replaced.... But.... I'm really worried it's just going to get worse and once I put like 1000 hours on it I'm going to have to bother Panasonic again and wait a month to get them to replace my TV yet again, if they'll even agree to do it this time.

Edit: it also makes me worried my calibrations aren't going to be correct when I take readings where the meter is on the most "pink" center section of screen, seems like it could make my readings read too red when in reality they aren't for the rest of the screen.


Edit2: I just checked a white background again and it's hardly noticeable at all now... it might actually have gotten better now that I take a look at it again... *crosses fingers* --- still scares me that I noticed this at all though, especially so soon after getting my last set replaced for having such an issue.. the left side is definitely more green while the rest of the screen is ever so slightly pink on a purely white background with ABL kicking in.
Edited by damag0r - 9/15/13 at 3:53pm
post #8147 of 12340
Oh my, miracles do happen, TC-P60ST60 are showing up again.
post #8148 of 12340
I'm glad I had the patience to wait for a 60" ST to be back in stock, he PQ is fantastic for he money!
post #8149 of 12340
I didn't have the patience to wait. My 50" ST60 just came in and I'm in love. It's a night and day difference to my old S2 even at the very first hour. I cant wait to see what it looks like after the first 100 hours are down. It feels like christmas.
post #8150 of 12340
I have had this 60ST60 for 2 weeks now and totally happy with the PQ. I follow the settings from Cnet that makes it best.
BTW, I have minor problem with the audio, I hope someone can help me out.
I used to have a LG tv connected with Comcast cable box through Onkyo 3009 and I could use LG tv speakers when I turn off power on Onkyo receiver.
Now I can not use ST60 tv speakers when I turn off Onkyo receiver, I got no sound????? But the picture is still there.
I did not change anything on Onkyo setup at all. There might be something on ST60 setup that I do not know???

Please help me out.

Thanks.
post #8151 of 12340
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Originally Posted by JSwizzle View Post

cinema st 60 night mode.pdf 2412k .pdf file After trying several different calibrations I was able to find online (cnet, home theater, dnice) I was unable to find one that I really liked and decided to look into getting my 60 inch ST60 professionally calibrated. I live in New England and was searching the area for a good pro calibrator and came across Gregg Loewen of Lion Audio/Video Consultants http://lionav.com/new/

I reached out to Gregg who quickly got back to me giving me some dates in July he would be available, as he was in London at the time teaching a THX video course. Gregg is the only THX video instructor in the USA, as well as being an ISF instructor so it's pretty much getting the best of both. He has been doing this line of work for over a decade. We were able to quickly nail down a date for him to come out.

Gregg showed up on time with his great equipment and quickly began to set everything up. After which I was able to sit down with him and get a thorough explanation of everything he was doing and why. He was able to answer all my questions and after a few hours had calibrated a night time reference level in my cinema mode, and a day time mode with custom. I was intially concerned whether it would be worth it to get a pro calibration but after watching a couple blu rays I couldn't be happier or more excited with the work Gregg did. The TV looks awesome, and I would not hesitate to contact Gregg in the future regarding more calibrations.

I wanted to get the word out for Gregg Loewen because he did such a great job and is truly an enthusiast who is willing to go just about anywhere to do these calibrations, as well as the THX video courses he teaches. I am more than happy to put a reference in for someone when I feel they do great work and wouldn't be writing this if I wasn't completely satisfied. I can't recommend him enough.

He is coming out to my house next week to calibrate a Samsung 46B8500, an Panasonic 50ST30, and a Panasoinic 60VT60. Great to hear of the results you got from using his service, since right now I am using CNET settings for the three sets.
post #8152 of 12340
I just got my P55ST60 from Amazon today and started running D'nice's slides. I noticed with the brighter pictures (white, green, gray) it flickers just like those old CRT monitors, is this normal? Will it go away?

Thanks!
Edited by aya - 9/19/13 at 12:52pm
post #8153 of 12340
Hi everybody! I am a new owner of a 60" ST60 and this is my first flat tv. I hope someone can help me out to understand if my tv is faulted or if it's the source (Time Warner). My return/exchange period (15 days) expires in three days. Here is the list of problems:

  1. I started to notice a few days ago horizontal white lines in the middle of the screen, these lines did not take the whole width of the screen. I'm not sure if that is what they call flickering.
  2. Yesterday, I noticed that when there was a change in a scene, some areas would become tiles rather than solid colors (ex: the pants of a woman were like a mosaic of blue tiles (1/2 inch each) rather than a shape of pants in a solid color.
  3. Also, yesterday the picture would freeze with a loss of the audio. While doing this, it was like the picture was cut horizontally, and the lower part moved a little to the right or left.
  4. Lastly, when changing channels, some times the tv picture blacks out either before showing the new channel, or right after showing the new channel. Is this normal? It only lasts a fraction of a second. But it is annoying.

All these things happen very fast. I was watching HD cable.

After resetting the cable box, and seeing that it still did it, I called Time Warner and I scheduled an appointment for tomorrow.
My set up: Cable box plugged directly in the wall and then to the TV through an HDMI cable. Panasonic dvd connected to the TV throug HDMI cable. The cables are Monoprice 28AWG High Speed HDMI.

Today I'm not noticing what was happening yesterday. The issue (?) no. 4 still remains. Any suggestions/comment?
post #8154 of 12340
#1 - not sure. Look up "line bleed" and see if it matches what you saw
#2 - sounds like video compression, where there is a lot of change in the picture (ie., strobe lights, fast panning camera, explosion, etc.). When things are still they are pretty sharp and clear, but when there's lots of movement you might see blockiness if the compression isn't good. Some channels are better than others. You should be able to reproduce the issue by rewinding, because it's in the signal.
#3 - might be HDMI cable
#4 - if your cable box is set to pass-through, what you are seeing is probably just what happens when you go from a 1080i channel to a 720p channel or vice versa. The TV has to recognize and convert the signal differently to the native resolution/frame rate of the TV. Sometimes you can see the signal type / resolution on the front display of the DVR (I can on my Comcast DVR). You can have the DVR convert everything to a single signal type, like 1080i or 1080p, and not have to deal with that. But sometimes the display can do the conversion better than the cable box.
post #8155 of 12340
Hi Guys

I wanted to say hi and I will probably have some questions down the road. Took the plunge and I am waiting on my TC-P65ST60 to be delivered. this is a replacemet for a 7 year old Toshiba 65" DLP that was beginning to develop a zseries of white dots on the screen.

I know here may be different opinions but what is the best way to get this TV off on the right "foot" once it arrives (watch it to break it in or run slides?). Thanks
post #8156 of 12340
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Originally Posted by cyberbri View Post

#1 - not sure. Look up "line bleed" and see if it matches what you saw
#2 - sounds like video compression, where there is a lot of change in the picture (ie., strobe lights, fast panning camera, explosion, etc.). When things are still they are pretty sharp and clear, but when there's lots of movement you might see blockiness if the compression isn't good. Some channels are better than others. You should be able to reproduce the issue by rewinding, because it's in the signal.
#3 - might be HDMI cable
#4 - if your cable box is set to pass-through, what you are seeing is probably just what happens when you go from a 1080i channel to a 720p channel or vice versa. The TV has to recognize and convert the signal differently to the native resolution/frame rate of the TV. Sometimes you can see the signal type / resolution on the front display of the DVR (I can on my Comcast DVR). You can have the DVR convert everything to a single signal type, like 1080i or 1080p, and not have to deal with that. But sometimes the display can do the conversion better than the cable box.

Thank you Cyberbri.

# 1. Although I do see line bleed occasionaly, the lines I was describing in issue no. 1 were solid white and it looks like their bottom were not straight. Like a solid color stripe 1/2 inch thick with edges that are not straight.
# 2. I don't have a DVR, but you are right, it varies on the channel.
# 3. I will try the cable that came with the cable box. It is an HDMI with internet, but I don't see gold ends, like the monoprice cables. Are the monoprice cables better than the one supplied by time Warner?
#4. You are so right! I checked and it is indeed the different resolution. I had and still have the cable box set to auto rather than to a set output resolution because I thing this way I let the TV doing the conversion, rather than the box. Am I correct, or there is a setting on the TV that I should change?
post #8157 of 12340
Greetings to all - going to get delivery of a 55ST60 tomorrow mostly based of what I have read in this forum. I have tried searching but there are over 8000 posts. Do I really need to run it for 100 hours before I actually use it? Any other tips to keep in mind when I set it up? I appreciate any assistance!
post #8158 of 12340
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Originally Posted by trumpetpa View Post

Greetings to all - going to get delivery of a 55ST60 tomorrow mostly based of what I have read in this forum. I have tried searching but there are over 8000 posts. Do I really need to run it for 100 hours before I actually use it? Any other tips to keep in mind when I set it up? I appreciate any assistance!

Just avoid black bars and static images for the first 100-200 hours and you'll be fine.
post #8159 of 12340
Hi guys,

My 50ST60 displays red, green and blue noise when looked at up close, especially easy to see when a somewhat uniform color is displayed on large areas. I could even see this when running the D-nice slides. It's also visible on all sources (blu-ray, dvr, tv's netflix app).

I went into a store to have a look at another one and couldn't see the same phenomenon. However, golf was on so it's not the conditions I notice it most.

Could this be caused by a bad power bar (I use an old one), or other interference that can be somewhat easily fixed? Is there any setting I can adjust to attenuate this?

Thanks
post #8160 of 12340
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Originally Posted by Barriwhite View Post

My 50ST60 displays red, green and blue noise when looked at up close,

When you say "up close", do you mean like 5 feet? 2 feet? Or 2 inches? Can you see this stuff from your normal viewing distance?


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especially easy to see when a somewhat uniform color is displayed on large areas. I could even see this when running the D-nice slides. It's also visible on all sources (blu-ray, dvr, tv's netflix app).

The slides are not a good representation of normal content. You'll see various anomalies when "watching slides" that you'll never see when watching normal content. Especially at normal viewing distances.


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I went into a store to have a look at another one and couldn't see the same phenomenon. However, golf was on so it's not the conditions I notice it most.

Was the TV in the store using the same source as your TV at home? Did you put the store TV in the same Picture Mode as yours is? Did you adjust the settings to the exact same settings your TV has?
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