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post #8191 of 12382
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Originally Posted by Banner23 View Post

I currently have a pioneer 5080 and I am thinking about getting the panasonic 60st60. Has anyone out there compared the two models and is the st60 and improvement over the 5080 ? especially in the black level area.

I used to have the 5080 about 5 years ago. It was the set that got me to jump from LCD to plasma. Going from 50 to 60 alone is worth it but yes, better blacks, color, sharpness, and motion imo
post #8192 of 12382
Is there any way to copy all of my settings under HDMI1 to change HDMI2's without setting them manually again?
post #8193 of 12382
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Others have had a similar problem and its not good. Can you return it?

probably cant return it since I purchased it around 45 days ago from PC Richards. Pretty sure the return policy 30 days. Can you direct me to other people discussing the exact problem? otherwise my best bet is to call panasonic and have a tech come out?

dont want to start a samsung vs panasonic argument but Ive had 3 previous samsung televisions (1lcd,2 plasma) all around 4 years a piece with not a single problem. So find it very frustrating to have problems so soon
All electronic devices tend to have the most failures in their early days of use. Your best option is to get it repaired and keep using it during it's manufacturer's warranty period. The probability of early failures with electronic devices isn't effected by past history regardless of who the manufacturer is. smile.gif
post #8194 of 12382
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Originally Posted by Terrapinstation View Post

Cool, thanks.

A week into this TV. Overall pretty happy with the picture. Some things look great. Unfortunately hockey doesn't seem to be one of them. Maybe after staring at an LCD for the last few years, it'll take some while to get used to.

Could you explain why hockey does not look great? Hockey looks awesome on mine, and I was used to watching on my CRT TV. The white of the ice looks really nice, and the colors of the uniforms really pop.
post #8195 of 12382
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Originally Posted by Terrapinstation View Post

The picture is just dimmer than I'm used to, and the ice looks more gray than white. Even turning the contrast to 100, adjusting the color, etc didn't help very much. Now, I've only watched one exhibition game, and I know that some arenas broadcasts are darker than others (Rangers games at MSG always looked dark to me).

That being said, I've only had the TV for 8 days. 4 days ago I put Cnet settings on Cinema and Cadett's on Custom, and the picture and colors have seemed to really improve over the last day or two. Like I said, I'm probably still used to the brightness of an LCD.

I didn't see that you had already answered! Maybe you were used to over bright, bluish whites on your LCD. You will get used to the more accurate plasma whites and more than likely like them more. After that, you will probably find an LCD image too bright on whites. You can always switch the color temperature to cool and increase brightness when watching hockey if you prefer it that way.
post #8196 of 12382
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Originally Posted by MountainJim View Post

Thanks to all the resources and experience on this forum, which I read all summer, I now have the 60" ST60 this week and am very pleased so far.

I also saw this: The Viera menu text in the top left corner was visible on light grey, for IR so far

I am running the slides 18 hours a day when not watching content to break it in, avoiding the things mentioned here while watching.

The WOW disk has not arrived yet, so after I get it and to 100 hours I will decide what settings to use. Now I am on CNET's cinema pretty close, but the default Home Theater looks richer but I don't want to use a contrast 100 during first 100 hours, except for DNICE slides settings.

Only thing I wish was different was the dang silver trim. It is reflecting my Lava Lamps on the speaker towers that really give my room the evening ambience I prefer.

smile.gif

The Viera menu text is the only thing that has given my ST60 IR so far. Like I said, I have to be standing about 8 inches from the TV on a light gray screen, stare directly at the spot and bob my head up and down to find it. Even then it is really faint and it goes away after a while. If I stand just 2 or 3 feet away I can't see it even if I look for it. Needless to say, I cannot see it from my normal viewing distance on any material.

I suspect this text causes IR for the following reasons:

-It is an absolute white that is not translucent at all, but solid. I think that to produce white, the primary colors red green and blue have to be firing at maximum intensity;

-The absolute white letters are surrounded by absolute black, causing an area of maximum contrast;

-I also believe that since the menu is overlaid on top of the screen, that the pixel orbiter does not function on the menu. Does anyone know this for sure?
post #8197 of 12382
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Originally Posted by Jack25 View Post

Is there any way to copy all of my settings under HDMI1 to change HDMI2's without setting them manually again?

Under the picture menu, 2nd pg, go to "copy adjustments" and this should work.
post #8198 of 12382
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

You name a guy who has issues with one product, I will name ten that never had an issue with the same brand. Its luck of the draw and odds are a person will not have an issue. In some research done by extended warranty companies, the odds of a TV failing in the first 4 years of any top brand is 10%.

It is frustrating as noted, however it will get fixed I would think.....

Last I knew Panasonic was at the top of that list with only 3% of people having problems in the first three years. I haven't seen any stats in the last couple of years so I don't know if that's still true or not.
post #8199 of 12382
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Originally Posted by mdanderson View Post

Under the picture menu, 2nd pg, go to "copy adjustments" and this should work.
Much appreciated. smile.gif
post #8200 of 12382
Just making my monthly visit to say I'm still beyond happy with my 60" ST60. I had no IR for the first month or so, then about a week or so of some quick onset IR, and now it's been another couple months or so with no IR, maybe 3, 4? I don't know, my concept of time has escaped me. But I'm confident that IR won't ever be an issue. The PQ still stuns me to this day. Perhaps the best purchase I've ever made, lol.

Oh, and rainbow effect is no longer an issue!
post #8201 of 12382
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Originally Posted by Terrapinstation View Post

The picture is just dimmer than I'm used to, and the ice looks more gray than white. Even turning the contrast to 100, adjusting the color, etc didn't help very much. Now, I've only watched one exhibition game, and I know that some arenas broadcasts are darker than others (Rangers games at MSG always looked dark to me).

That being said, I've only had the TV for 8 days. 4 days ago I put Cnet settings on Cinema and Cadett's on Custom, and the picture and colors have seemed to really improve over the last day or two. Like I said, I'm probably still used to the brightness of an LCD.

What's your gamma set at? That can certainly affect brightness.
post #8202 of 12382
Thanks. I had it at 2.4, but changed it to 2.2. Helps a bit. The whites just seem a bit 'dirty' or something.
post #8203 of 12382
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Originally Posted by Terrapinstation View Post

Thanks. I had it at 2.4, but changed it to 2.2. Helps a bit. The whites just seem a bit 'dirty' or something.
Make sure CATS and "Energy Saving" are off.
post #8204 of 12382
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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post

Last I knew Panasonic was at the top of that list with only 3% of people having problems in the first three years. I haven't seen any stats in the last couple of years so I don't know if that's still true or not.
That sounds about right.

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post #8205 of 12382
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Originally Posted by aya View Post

I do see the flickers during transition but it's not between the transitions but rather while each color (specifically, white, green, gray) is being displayed. It's like those aged fluorescent light tubes when they flash really fast.

I actually went to BB and looked at a few other plasma TVs where all plasmas have the same problem while the Samsung model looked the worst. frown.gif

I'm not sure if this is caused by the fact where contrast is set to 100, i will have to wait until monday to apply D'nice's settings.

I think we may be talking about the same issue (see post 8162). Do you notice the same thing on the "No signal" message when you turn off the selected input's source?
post #8206 of 12382
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

When you say "up close", do you mean like 5 feet? 2 feet? Or 2 inches? Can you see this stuff from your normal viewing distance?
The slides are not a good representation of normal content. You'll see various anomalies when "watching slides" that you'll never see when watching normal content. Especially at normal viewing distances.


Was the TV in the store using the same source as your TV at home? Did you put the store TV in the same Picture Mode as yours is? Did you adjust the settings to the exact same settings your TV has?

I don't see it from my normal viewing distance (roughly 10 ft), but can see it from 4 ft and closer.

I just noticed I can see this effect on the "No signal" vignette that pops up on a black background when the selected input's source is turned off. Shouldn't that be a solid gray? I can definitely see moving pixels within it from 4 feet in.
post #8207 of 12382
Plasmas create colors differently than other kinds of TVs. If you do look too closely, you'll see "dancing pixels" like that. Long story short, don't sit 4 feet away.
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Does anyone know how to turn off the ads?
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Thanks
post #8211 of 12382
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Originally Posted by Terrapinstation View Post

Thanks. I had it at 2.4, but changed it to 2.2. Helps a bit. The whites just seem a bit 'dirty' or something.

One of the biggest things I learned from this thread was WAIT! My eyes were used to over-saturated color heavy images and I had to relax and get used to how this plasma looked. A month later and its a big difference.
post #8212 of 12382
I'm new to plasma TVs with my P50ST60 and need some experienced advice before returning it. I've put nearly 100 hours into the break-in process and notice some mild IR in the bottom left and right corners that seems to fade after running the screen wipe function. I'm sure the IR is from viewing CNN, FNC, CNBC, etc. The thing is, I have to keep my TV tuned to news/business channels all day. It seems IR will be unavoidable. Also, my loft office is pretty bright with natural light well into the afternoon. The colors appear washed out until after about 3pm. For these conditions, will the ST60 be the right, long-term choice or would I be better served with an LED TV? Will additional break-in hours improve the ST60's performance in this environment?

Thanks for any comments!
post #8213 of 12382
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Originally Posted by Snake77 View Post

I'm new to plasma TVs with my P50ST60 and need some experienced advice before returning it. I've put nearly 100 hours into the break-in process and notice some mild IR in the bottom left and right corners that seems to fade after running the screen wipe function. I'm sure the IR is from viewing CNN, FNC, CNBC, etc. The thing is, I have to keep my TV tuned to news/business channels all day. It seems IR will be unavoidable. Also, my loft office is pretty bright with natural light well into the afternoon. The colors appear washed out until after about 3pm. For these conditions, will the ST60 be the right, long-term choice or would I be better served with an LED TV? Will additional break-in hours improve the ST60's performance in this environment?

Thanks for any comments!
Get an LED.
post #8214 of 12382
^^^If that is all the TV is being used for I would agree, except get a Sharp LED cause they are the only LED that still has a semi-matte screen. If you are using the unit for normal use after business hours, the trade offs may be worth keeping the plasma. Give and take with everything out there, only you can make the hard choices.
post #8215 of 12382
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Originally Posted by Stump909 View Post

That's actually the one I purchased for myself. However, I've yet to test it, since my TV won't arrive until later this week. The main thing that set it apart from the other tilt/swivel mounts was the minimum extension (3.75" vs. 4.5" for the others I saw). I don't need it flush with the wall, but the closer the better biggrin.gif.

So did this mount work for you?

http://www.monoprice.com/Product/?c_id=108&cp_id=10828&cs_id=1082806&p_id=6200&seq=1&format=4#feedback

I have the TC-65PS64 and it weights 75 lbs with a VESA of 684x300 and I'm wondering if this is a good mount for it.
post #8216 of 12382
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Originally Posted by edgeh2o View Post

Just making my monthly visit to say I'm still beyond happy with my 60" ST60. I had no IR for the first month or so, then about a week or so of some quick onset IR, and now it's been another couple months or so with no IR, maybe 3, 4? I don't know, my concept of time has escaped me. But I'm confident that IR won't ever be an issue. The PQ still stuns me to this day. Perhaps the best purchase I've ever made, lol.

Oh, and rainbow effect is no longer an issue!

I have a question for you (hopefully you'll check the site before another month passes wink.gif)

When you say rainbow effect is no longer an issue, are you saying you've gotten used to it, or you feel like it has gone away? If you try to see it (not that you'd really want to TRY, if you've learned to ignore it) can you still do it.

I went back and read your posts, and I apparently am sensitive to the exact same effect, except I see more of just a yellow shadow, not many other colors). I was watching Sin City last night, and the dark/light contrast of that movie made the effect really noticeable. It hasn't been a deal breaker for me, as it doesn't happen with most things I watch, and I love everything else about the picture. But I do hope it goes away, or I stop being aware of it.
post #8217 of 12382
i was looking through this thread and didnt see anything about this. i was watching a Bluray through HDMI and all of a sudden the TV just turned off. then turned back on after like 15 seconds. its all on default settings.

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it has done it twice now.
Edited by slack2116 - 9/23/13 at 5:56pm
post #8218 of 12382
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Originally Posted by slack2116 View Post

i was looking through this thread and didnt see anything about this. i was watching a Bluray through HDMI and all of a sudden the TV just turned off. then turned back on after like 15 seconds. its all on default settings.

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it has done it twice now.
I would contact Panasonic if you don't have a cost free return option, or an extended warranty that started on the day you purchased your set.
post #8219 of 12382
for real? it hasn't done it in like 25-30 minutes. and for the first hour of the movie it only did it those 2 times. actually since i got the TV its only done it twice.

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the Manufacturer Date is September 2013.
post #8220 of 12382
I just had Chad B do an ISF calibration on my 65ST60 and he did an excellent job for sure. Chad showed up right on time and was very efficient in setting every thing up and getting the job done. He took me through each step in the process and was very good at explaining what he was doing and why. He answered all my questions and made me feel very at ease about the whole process.

The results look fantastic with 2D and 3D for Bluray and my OTA channels look great as well. Chad is a true professional and a pleasure to deal with. I was hesitant about how much better my picture would look, but I am glad I took the plunge and had it done. Thanks again to Chad for a great experience. Highly recommended. I have included the calibration report. Matt Anderson ST60 2.pdf 778k .pdf file
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