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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

Good one! biggrin.gif
Thanks. I love messin with him. He cracks me up.
post #842 of 12341
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Originally Posted by biggweeziehd View Post

If anyone is interested zt60 and vt60 prices and specs are up on BB Website. They also all say "coming soon"
How soon is the question wink.gif
post #843 of 12341
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I would say way better in every situation is stretching it but to each their own. While I have not seen both side by side, I know what both sets are capable of after seeing calibration reports of both. But I agree that the ST60 is a considerable upgrade over the ST50 and is worth $200 more... anything more and it would be a different story IMHO.

Well the difference was very great to me besides the lower quality audio on the st60. Not bashing the st50 but I was taking mine back regardless of the newer model(st60 arrived at my local BB the last day of my return period) dim soft picture just killed it for me no matter how great the color and depth was and the blacks were great as everyone knows. Watching those all white apple and progressive commercials where the white was incredibly dim just bummed me out. So I guess I meant the st60 was better in every category where I considered th st50 to be weak.

After I returned my set I went back to the ABC Warehouse where I had bought it (we needed a new stove and fridge) the salesman took me over to my old set it was on display as an open box, he said "boy you were right about the picture we played with it all day and it's crazy how dim it is... We will have to move it away from the LEDs so we can sell it" obviously it can't compete with Sony 950 brightness but it was to me accessively dim.
post #844 of 12341
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Originally Posted by norvegia View Post

Skyrim, Metro 2033, Mirror's Edge (looks stunning with this plasma), and some others, even Trine 2 with a wireless 360 controller. The lag is there but not that annoying; I can play the games just fine. As I said, I hadn't noticed the lag until I read about it on a review.


Ok thanks smile.gif i will wait the reviews of the gt60 and vt60 with the hexacore processing if it will make any difference tongue.gif
post #845 of 12341
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Originally Posted by biggweeziehd View Post

Well the difference was very great to me besides the lower quality audio on the st60. Not bashing the st50 but I was taking mine back regardless of the newer model(st60 arrived at my local BB the last day of my return period) dim soft picture just killed it for me no matter how great the color and depth was and the blacks were great as everyone knows. Watching those all white apple and progressive commercials where the white was incredibly dim just bummed me out. So I guess I meant the st60 was better in every category where I considered th st50 to be weak.

After I returned my set I went back to the ABC Warehouse where I had bought it (we needed a new stove and fridge) the salesman took me over to my old set it was on display as an open box, he said "boy you were right about the picture we played with it all day and it's crazy how dim it is... We will have to move it away from the LEDs so we can sell it" obviously it can't compete with Sony 950 brightness but it was to me accessively dim.

I agree with you that the ST60 is superior, but I'm not sure why you found the ST50 to be so dim. Chad's full field measurement on the ST60 was actually slightly lower than his full field measurement on the GT50, so I can't imagine full screens of white could be any brighter on the ST60. Also, even though the contrast is much higher on the ST60, Chad still calibrated the ST50 at an impressive 55 fL in custom mode.
post #846 of 12341
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Originally Posted by JSpectre88 View Post

I agree with you that the ST60 is superior, but I'm not sure why you found the ST50 to be so dim. Chad's full field measurement on the ST60 was actually slightly lower than his full field measurement on the GT50, so I can't imagine full screens of white could be any brighter on the ST60. Also, even though the contrast is much higher on the ST60, Chad still calibrated the ST50 at an impressive 55 fL in custom mode.
Probably because he compared them both un-calibrated and in non-like-for-like situations. Or something was wrong with the ST50. But that's just a guess. I have no problem reaching over 50fL on my 60ST50... the smaller panels are even brighter. I calibrated my ST50 to only 35fL and it's easily bright enough for me (all measurements using 10% window patterns @ 100% white btw). My black levels measure 0.0026, only slightly higher than Chad's ST60 measurement. I expect the larger ST60 to measure a bit lower, though.
Edited by rahzel - 4/2/13 at 9:41pm
post #847 of 12341
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Originally Posted by JSpectre88 View Post

I agree with you that the ST60 is superior, but I'm not sure why you found the ST50 to be so dim. Chad's full field measurement on the ST60 was actually slightly lower than his full field measurement on the GT50, so I can't imagine full screens of white could be any brighter on the ST60. Also, even though the contrast is much higher on the ST60, Chad still calibrated the ST50 at an impressive 55 fL in custom mode.

I hear you and I'm no pro I have no tools or meters or anything. But I do have the same eyes I had when I had the st50. And in all HONESTY the brightness of the st60 compared to the st50 is striking.

Been watching tv my whole life, as most Americans have, and have had most every type of tv and had never seen whites as dull on any set other than old school rear projection.

I'm not that picky... I thought, til I plopped down good money and said "you know what I want a big boy set this time" and got home with a dim soft set that experts and number crunchers went crazy over but I was left wondering where's my sharp HD and where's the white? I didn't need LCD white just natural unmuted white like a sheet of copy paper. I heard all types of "reasons" like really white isn't natural? And soft images are film like? But all I could think of is 35 years of watching sharp images that never appeared out of focus on any tv I had ever watched in my life and crisp whites just like the ones on my 19"CRT that was in my bedroom as a kid playing super Mario Bros. don't mean to rant but I really feel like the st60 is a big step ahead IMO
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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

Probably because he compared them both un-calibrated and in non-like-for-like situations. Or something was wrong with the ST50. But that's just a guess. I have no problem reaching over 50fL on my 60ST50... the smaller panels are even brighter. I calibrated my ST50 to only 35fL and it's easily bright enough for me (all measurements using 10% window patterns @ 100% white btw). My black levels measure 0.0026, only slightly higher than Chad's ST60 measurement. I expect the larger ST60 to measure a bit lower, though.

True neither of my sets were calibrated beyond basic WOW disc. But what I'm saying is even if every option was maxed out on the st50 it could not get near the brightness of st60. Only "measurement" I could say was with viewing contrast pattern on WOW. But with real world viewing the difference is remarkable.

And I guess It could be I had a defective st50 who knows. Either way brightness will not be an issue to owners of this set IMO.
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How is the WOW disk btw? I was thinking about picking one up since I doubt I'll have an extra 400 around for a calibration after I buy my new set.
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

How soon is the question wink.gif

I have heard and read around May. Maybe sooner.
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How is the WOW disk btw? I was thinking about picking one up since I doubt I'll have an extra 400 around for a calibration after I buy my new set.[/quote

Pretty basic but effective to get your set in the ball park no real way to set gamma or grey scale, but getting contrast and brightness color tint and sharpness right really makes a difference. And it's $20-$26 bucks can't really lose. Lots of neat tutorial and nice disney clips to show off your results.

Also found the pixel flipper (controlled colorful static that switches the pixels on and off 26 times a second) was pretty effective at speeding up IR removal I had the history channel H on my set for a couple weeks and the flipper broke it up where normal viewing was getting no where.
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Originally Posted by biggweeziehd View Post

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Originally Posted by Omni009 View Post

How is the WOW disk btw? I was thinking about picking one up since I doubt I'll have an extra 400 around for a calibration after I buy my new set.[/quote

Pretty basic but effective to get your set in the ball park no real way to set gamma or grey scale, but getting contrast and brightness color tint and sharpness right really makes a difference. And it's $20-$26 bucks can't really lose. Lots of neat tutorial and nice disney clips to show off your results.

Also found the pixel flipper (controlled colorful static that switches the pixels on and off 26 times a second) was pretty effective at speeding up IR removal I had the history channel H on my set for a couple weeks and the flipper broke it up where normal viewing was getting no where.
If I remember right it does have a gamma test.
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

If I remember right it does have a gamma test.

It has test patterns for gamma and gray scale but I was under the impression you must have equipment to take advantage of them because they are in the expert menu and have no description of how to use them.
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Originally Posted by biggweeziehd View Post

It has test patterns for gamma and gray scale but I was under the impression you must have equipment to take advantage of them because they are in the expert menu and have no description of how to use them.

Correction it does have a gamma test with description just remembered sorry
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Can anyone who has an ST60 tell me if the zoom aspect ratio is permitted in 3d mode? It was not with the ST50. It just makes sense that it should be an option on a plasma, since 3d mode requires more brightness and the black bars could add to uneven aging of the phosphors.
post #856 of 12341
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Originally Posted by biggweeziehd View Post

Well the difference was very great to me besides the lower quality audio on the st60. Not bashing the st50 but I was taking mine back regardless of the newer model(st60 arrived at my local BB the last day of my return period) dim soft picture just killed it for me no matter how great the color and depth was and the blacks were great as everyone knows. Watching those all white apple and progressive commercials where the white was incredibly dim just bummed me out. So I guess I meant the st60 was better in every category where I considered th st50 to be weak.

After I returned my set I went back to the ABC Warehouse where I had bought it (we needed a new stove and fridge) the salesman took me over to my old set it was on display as an open box, he said "boy you were right about the picture we played with it all day and it's crazy how dim it is... We will have to move it away from the LEDs so we can sell it" obviously it can't compete with Sony 950 brightness but it was to me accessively dim.





Thanks for the confirmation of what I was already thinking .I think after I get the st60 I am going to stop reading this forum for a while so I can enjoy it and not continually wonder if i made the best choice.
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It was mentioned that there are new zoom presets, or the ability to adjust zoom of picture sizes, has anyone with this set tried this feature. Just curious if there is a better ability to zoom out station logos , without losing much of the picture. I know the Just feature has always been there, but it typically would zoom to the point where half of the station logos are still present. Mainly asking because my kids watch Cartoon network, with the big logo on the screen, and in the past I just kept the picture zoomed while the plasma was new .
post #858 of 12341
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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

Probably because he compared them both un-calibrated and in non-like-for-like situations. Or something was wrong with the ST50. But that's just a guess. I have no problem reaching over 50fL on my 60ST50... the smaller panels are even brighter. I calibrated my ST50 to only 35fL and it's easily bright enough for me (all measurements using 10% window patterns @ 100% white btw). My black levels measure 0.0026, only slightly higher than Chad's ST60 measurement. I expect the larger ST60 to measure a bit lower, though.

Was there a difference last year between the larger panels and the smaller ones? Seems like the smaller panels eventually dropped to what the larger ones got to initially. Just wondering if we'll see blacks under .001fL on the 60" plus sizes.
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D-Nice, do you know if the S panels will measure as deep in mll as the ST sets?
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I currently have an ST50, which is awesome by the way. When I purchased the TV, I got a two yr warranty from BB. The only problem I have with my ST50 is the subtitle line issue on the right side of the panel. I may consider using my warranty to upgrade to the ST60 or pay the difference for a Vt60. Though it still early I am going to wait until the verdict is out on both the ST60 and VT60 to be on the safe side. I will say by the fall we will know all the flaws and issue with these sets.
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Originally Posted by gmarceau View Post

D-Nice, do you know if the S panels will measure as deep in mll as the ST sets?

No. They lack the panel and filter that help the ST get so low.
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Originally Posted by Stump909 View Post

No. They lack the panel and filter that help the ST get so low.

Thanks D-Nice
post #863 of 12341
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Originally Posted by jp0213x View Post

I currently have an ST50, which is awesome by the way. When I purchased the TV, I got a two yr warranty from BB. The only problem I have with my ST50 is the subtitle line issue on the right side of the panel. I may consider using my warranty to upgrade to the ST60 or pay the difference for a Vt60. Though it still early I am going to wait until the verdict is out on both the ST60 and VT60 to be on the safe side. I will say by the fall we will know all the flaws and issue with these sets.

If you are past your 30 days best buy has to try to fix the set before they upgrade you. If it cannot be fixed then they will do a swap. There policy is if they fix the set 3 or more times or if the set is unfixable then they swap. I know from personal experience. If you ARE within 30 days I would return it
post #864 of 12341
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Originally Posted by biggweeziehd View Post

If you are past your 30 days best buy has to try to fix the set before they upgrade you. If it cannot be fixed then they will do a swap. There policy is if they fix the set 3 or more times or if the set is unfixable then they swap. I know from personal experience. If you ARE within 30 days I would return it

So are you telling me BB will try and fix the subtitle line issue?
Good to know and I I am way over the 30 days, I purchased the set last July
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Originally Posted by gmarceau View Post

Thanks D-Nice
If no one else is allowed to try to answer your questions maybe you should PM DNice.
post #866 of 12341
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Originally Posted by gmarceau View Post

D-Nice, do you know if the S panels will measure as deep in mll as the ST sets?
They should
post #867 of 12341
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Originally Posted by jp0213x View Post

So are you telling me BB will try and fix the subtitle line issue?
Good to know and I I am way over the 30 days, I purchased the set last July

I don't know if they will or not? I'm just saying if it is FIXABLE they will try and if it isn't they will swap.
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

If no one else is allowed to try to answer your questions maybe you should PM DNice.

It's a question with an answer that could probably benefit multiple people reading the thread...

Usually, when you preface the question with a specific member, that means you're hoping they can answer the question. But what do I know...
post #869 of 12341
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Originally Posted by gmarceau View Post

It's a question with an answer that could probably benefit multiple people reading the thread...

Usually, when you preface the question with a specific member, that means you're hoping they can answer the question. But what do I know...
Understood. But because you are hoping that person will answer the question doesnt mean that no one else is allowed to try.Thats what makes this a discussion and not a conversation.
post #870 of 12341
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Originally Posted by gmarceau View Post

D-Nice, do you know if the S panels will measure as deep in mll as the ST sets?

So far feedback has been S60 is on par or a bit better than the ST50 and that the ST60 is a definite improvement over the ST50. However, getting anything definitive on the S60's is surprisingly difficult. If you are considering an S-series panel, the ones that will be closest to the ST60 line up, in terms of black performance, are the S64 club models. Those models include the ST60's Louver filter (Infinite Black) and would help with black performance considerably vs a normal S60 unless you have a perfectly controlled lighting environment. Whether there are any substantial differences in the underlying panels / software that contribute to MLL reduction, I would have to leave to others.

Perhaps when D-Nice has a chance, he may have further info to enlighten us.
Edited by Phatal One - 4/3/13 at 10:30am
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