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Originally Posted by Caver View Post

My 60ST60 was delivered Monday, and all I can say is WOW!  Now I know what I've been missing!

I need to dig into the instructions this weekend.  I'm having problems getting it to recognize the SD card for the media player. I'm sure I'm overlooking something...



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post #8582 of 12342
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Originally Posted by pelhambrewer View Post

Hello all, new owner of a TC-P50ST60.  I upgraded from an older LCD.  Lot's of information here but it's a bit overwhelming to a new plasma owner.  I had no idea about "break in" periods or slides that should be used for the first 100 hours.  Evidently, since i've been watching the t.v. for a few days i missed the chance to follow D-Nice's set up procedure.

Initially my thoughts are the display looks "darker" than i am used to.  Will this change as tv breaks in?  Is this common perception?
Love to watch hockey, any setting recommendations to make the gray, dull , lack luster is look better?

Thanks in advance for reading and responding.

I'll comment on your last question. Our previous plasma was a 7-8 y.o. Panny plasma that died. When we first got our 60ST60 in June I thought the picture looked dark. within a month it looked perfectly bright, crisp, sharp etc. I don't know if the picture changed as it broke in or I got used to it. Wife never commented on darkness and I didn't mention my perception. I did not go thru the slides procedure. I did read the list of settings recommended here and implemented them. Looks very good to me. We just watch cable and Netflix. Haven't used DVD in months.
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I know there's differences of opinion as far as breaking plasma panels in. What are some recommendations as far as break in and waiting to calibrate go, do I wait the100 hours?
post #8584 of 12342
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

I know there's differences of opinion as far as breaking plasma panels in. What are some recommendations as far as break in and waiting to calibrate go, do I wait the100 hours?
Seriously? Are you new to this thread cause it seems like Ive seen your name a lot.
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Seriously? Are you new to this thread cause it seems like Ive seen your name a lot.



Seriously Mr Bond biggrin.gif
I've seen opinions on my question but since I didn't officially make my purchase until
today I didn't really pay attention to what was said. This is my first plasma panel and I just wanted to do things right from the get go.
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

I know there's differences of opinion as far as breaking plasma panels in. What are some recommendations as far as break in and waiting to calibrate go, do I wait the100 hours?

The 100 hour recommendation originates from D'Nice's setting thread. He recommends you run his slides for 100 hours before entering his ST60 settings. The purpose behind the slides is to age the panel uniformly before applying the settings. Generally, AVS opinion is you should adhere to the D-Nice process a closely as possible for the best results (if you are applying the settings). Also, this is "panel prep" which isn't necessarily the same as break in.

Conventional wisdom says to be careful the first couple hundred hours. Really, just use common sense. Plasmas can be prone to image retention - especially early on. Although its come a long ways, I've seen plenty of people reporting various levels of IR with 2013 panny's. Try to stay away from static logos and black bars for long periods early on.

As far as calibration goes, its up to you. If you apply certain setting right off the bat, you will have to readjust as the panel ages. For what its worth, conventional wisdom says to wait 300-400 hours before getting a professional calibration.
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Originally Posted by abinitio View Post

The 100 hour recommendation originates from D'Nice's setting thread. He recommends you run his slides for 100 hours before entering his ST60 settings. The purpose behind the slides is to age the panel uniformly before applying the settings. Generally, AVS opinion is you should adhere to the D-Nice process a closely as possible for the best results (if you are applying the settings). Also, this is "panel prep" which isn't necessarily the same as break in.

Conventional wisdom says to be careful the first couple hundred hours. Really, just use common sense. Plasmas can be prone to image retention - especially early on. Although its come a long ways, I've seen plenty of people reporting various levels of IR with 2013 panny's. Try to stay away from static logos and black bars for long periods early on.

As far as calibration goes, its up to you. If you apply certain setting right off the bat, you will have to readjust as the panel ages. For what its worth, conventional wisdom says to wait 300-400 hours before getting a professional calibration.



Good info thank you. Thus will be my last panel for probably 3-5 years and I just want to do this correctly.
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Seriously? Are you new to this thread cause it seems like Ive seen your name a lot.



Seriously Mr Bond biggrin.gif
I've seen opinions on my question but since I didn't officially make my purchase until
today I didn't really pay attention to what was said. This is my first plasma panel and I just wanted to do things right from the get go.
There is no required procedure or one that has mass approval. You mention 100 hours and calibration. You need to be more explicit about what you want to do.

Here is just one example. If by calibration you mean hiring one of the outstanding professionals that have had their work reported on here at AVS, then the most sensible recommendation is that you get at least 300 safe hours on your display before you pay to have it calibrated. Reading back through this thread, and other 2013 Panasonic owner's threads can answer all your open ended questions.

Safe hours can mean watching sources without fixed images or black bars that fill the screen. IR is bound to come up and it's related to what to do with a new set.

Click here for some background information.
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

There is no required procedure or one that has mass approval. You mention 100 hours and calibration. You need to be more explicit about what you want to do.

Here is just one example. If by calibration you mean hiring one of the outstanding professionals that have had their work reported on here at AVS, then the most sensible recommendation is that you get at least 300 safe hours on your display before you pay to have it calibrated. Reading back through this thread, and other 2013 Panasonic owner's threads can answer all your open ended questions.

Safe hours can mean watching sources without fixed images or black bars that fill the screen. IR is bound to come up and it's related to what to do with a new set.

Click here for some background information.



Great thank you ht!
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hi, just bought the tv and would like to know what settings i should use if im not going to do "break in". thank you.
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Originally Posted by shawnb44 View Post

hi guys,

im gonna pick this tv up in roughly an hour. ill be buying the 50 inch one. i havent bought a tv in about 10 years and have been reading reviews for tvs for a while now. this one seems to be the best reviewed tv, even though when i saw it in a big box store it didnt really impress me, was quite dim and bland colors. i was thinking of buying the s60, but the st60 will be better for blu rays since is it has the 96hz option, correct, i hate judder and flicker. there is a 15 day return policy if i dont like it, so its worth a shot trying this one out. smile.gif.

And have you tried it yet? Don't go by what you see in stores, most of them do not know how to set TV's properly. We noticed that ALL plasma's looked grayish and murky in Best Buy, Sears, and other big-box stores. However, they looked beautiful in local SoCal store, Paul's TV, where they knew what they were doing. This ST60 model looked great there, and the salesman, so taken with a grain of salt or a few actually, told us it would work well in our normally lit room. When we got it home it was nothing but total WOW. And being in a normally lit room, no direct sunlight, but definitely average room, the TV was fantastic. No washout at all of picture or colors.
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Originally Posted by NeilK View Post

And have you tried it yet? Don't go by what you see in stores, most of them do not know how to set TV's properly. We noticed that ALL plasma's looked grayish and murky in Best Buy, Sears, and other big-box stores. However, they looked beautiful in local SoCal store, Paul's TV, where they knew what they were doing. This ST60 model looked great there, and the salesman, so taken with a grain of salt or a few actually, told us it would work well in our normally lit room. When we got it home it was nothing but total WOW. And being in a normally lit room, no direct sunlight, but definitely average room, the TV was fantastic. No washout at all of picture or colors.

its in my basement right now. i will set it up in the morning, too tired right now. i hope you are right smile.gif.
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I,ve had my 65st60 for about a week now, I replaced a 54vt25,in direct comparison the vt25 seemed to have a smoother more natural look, the st60 had a almost digital look to it. Within a couple days and messing around with the settings the st60 has really grown on me. The level of detail is amazing, for example watching playoff baseball I can clearly see the detail in David Ortiz's neck tattoo and I knew Scherzer had different color eyes but I've never seen them like this.
My only issues so far have been handshake hdmi problems with my denon 4520, when I turn on the tv with my satellite receiver remote it turns the tv on instantly and then the 4520 fires up a little slower, however no sound I get picture I have to shut off the denon and restart it to get audio and then it fires up all the zones,so I have to turn the zones off individually. The vt25 was much more stable in the same setup. I'll mess around with it sone more. I'm loving the the bigger screen size, and the picture quality is great. It been quite a month and a bit for me I've picked up a pair of paradigm signature s6 v3 and a 65st60 for under 5000 Canadian so I've new toys to play with.
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Originally Posted by ingersol1211 View Post

I,ve had my 65st60 for about a week now, I replaced a 54vt25,in direct comparison the vt25 seemed to have a smoother more natural look, the st60 had a almost digital look to it. Within a couple days and messing around with the settings the st60 has really grown on me. The level of detail is amazing, for example watching playoff baseball I can clearly see the detail in David Ortiz's neck tattoo and I knew Scherzer had different color eyes but I've never seen them like this.
My only issues so far have been handshake hdmi problems with my denon 4520, when I turn on the tv with my satellite receiver remote it turns the tv on instantly and then the 4520 fires up a little slower, however no sound I get picture I have to shut off the denon and restart it to get audio and then it fires up all the zones,so I have to turn the zones off individually. The vt25 was much more stable in the same setup. I'll mess around with it sone more. I'm loving the the bigger screen size, and the picture quality is great. It been quite a month and a bit for me I've picked up a pair of paradigm signature s6 v3 and a 65st60 for under 5000 Canadian so I've new toys to play with.

I could not resolve my hdmi problems with my st60 and Denon avr887 (which had worked fine with a Panasonic S1) switched to a newer Sony avr I had and everything works fine.
post #8595 of 12342
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Originally Posted by pelhambrewer View Post

Hello all, new owner of a TC-P50ST60.  I upgraded from an older LCD.  Lot's of information here but it's a bit overwhelming to a new plasma owner.  I had no idea about "break in" periods or slides that should be used for the first 100 hours.  Evidently, since i've been watching the t.v. for a few days i missed the chance to follow D-Nice's set up procedure.
I've tried searching the forum and reading many posts to no avail, please forgive for redundant questions.  I am in no way a videofile, i just want to enjoy a great picture.

I am primarily a sports and cable tv user, not so much dvd's (so far anyway).  

Initial questions:

Now that I've been watching the t.v. i assume i just continue to watch for the break in, (no slides)?
 I assume after 100 hours the tv is broken in?
the look of the tv picture , colors, brightness, etc will change during this 100 hour period?
I should avoid "vivid" setting during break in?
How do i access how many hours are on the t.v.?
Initially my thoughts are the display looks "darker" than i am used to.  Will this change as tv breaks in?  Is this common perception?
Love to watch hockey, any setting recommendations to make the gray, dull , lack luster is look better?

Thanks in advance for reading and responding.

I've had my TV for 3 or 4 weeks now? I've been using Cnet's settings, and actually have the picture brightness set to high. My biggest 'complaint' about this TV is watching hockey. The ice looks grayish and dull, and I haven't found a way to make that better yet. Plan to get a pro calibration once some money comes along, but until then it's frustrating
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Hey guys, got my 55st60. Trying to put Dnices settings. For some reason, my tv doesn't have the (W/B) More Detail Adjustment settings. We'll it does have that, but instead of having a bunch io them it only has 3. Where are the rest?

Thanks
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Originally Posted by Terrapinstation View Post

I've had my TV for 3 or 4 weeks now? I've been using Cnet's settings, and actually have the picture brightness set to high. My biggest 'complaint' about this TV is watching hockey. The ice looks grayish and dull, and I haven't found a way to make that better yet. Plan to get a pro calibration once some money comes along, but until then it's frustrating

CNET's setting are for the Cinema setting which offers a softer more cinematic picture. You might try DNice's Custom settings which I use all all sporting and live events as I find the picture more crisp, brightly sharp while slightly darker than CNET's Cinema settings and just overall clearer that works well for football, baseball, basketball, hockey, etc. If you don't know about DNice's custom setting for the st60, a simple Google search will get you there as they have been posted on multiple forums including this one. Oh hell, here ya go, http://www.avsforum.com/t/1466472/2013-panasonic-settings-issues-thread

Can't hurt to try them. smile.gif

Cheers,
Robin
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Originally Posted by 04rex View Post

Hey guys, got my 55st60. Trying to put Dnices settings. For some reason, my tv doesn't have the (W/B) More Detail Adjustment settings. We'll it does have that, but instead of having a bunch io them it only has 3. Where are the rest?

Thanks

MENU-Picture-Pro settings-W/B detail adjustment-More detail adjustment

Got it? smile.gif
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Originally Posted by BGLeduc View Post


WiFi here.

What is odd is that when I first installed the set a few weeks ago, I did test Amazon by streaming a bit of The Avengers in HD. It worked fine. We also watched a couple hours worth of Parks and Recreation (also in HD). No problem there either.

I do not have easy access to the back of the set to try a wired ethernet connection, but something has changed for the problem to occur; I just do not know what.

Brian

 

 

 

It is wifi + firmware for me. Not only that but I can no longer watch youtube. I contacted them and they are confused.

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Originally Posted by Robin Bombard View Post

CNET's setting are for the Cinema setting which offers a softer more cinematic picture. You might try DNice's Custom settings which I use all all sporting and live events as I find the picture more crisp, brightly sharp while slightly darker than CNET's Cinema settings and just overall clearer that works well for football, baseball, basketball, hockey, etc. If you don't know about DNice's custom setting for the st60, a simple Google search will get you there as they have been posted on multiple forums including this one. Oh hell, here ya go, http://www.avsforum.com/t/1466472/2013-panasonic-settings-issues-thread

Can't hurt to try them. smile.gif

Cheers,
Robin

Thanks. I have D Nice's setting in, but never tried them when watching sports. I just put it on the hockey game, changed the panel brightness to high, and it looks a lot better. Thanks
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Hey I just went to the Panasonic site. It appears they have a new firmware update. 2.720. Hopefully this corrects some issues.

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Originally Posted by The Watcher 911 View Post



It is wifi + firmware for me. Not only that but I can no longer watch youtube. I contacted them and they are confused.

Try doing a factory reset. I don't know how it's done on these but a search will get you there. You'll lose all user settings though.
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Try doing a factory reset. I don't know how it's done on these but a search will get you there. You'll lose all user settings though.

 

 

I tried that, customer support told me how. Didn't work.

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I'm new to the forum but have been lurking about a month researching the 55ST60. Finally ordered one from Amazon after the price dropped below $1,300 there. Got the 5-year SquareTrade warranty after giving it much thought, just wanted an extended one that would work?
I've been in touch with Greg Erianne (ALL HIGH DEF) & Evangelos Andelides about running slides & calibration. Since Greg has moved to New Jersey from CT, where I live, he recommended another group for calibration. I'm not rich & convincing my wife the worth a having a pro set up the TV isn't going too well.
Both Greg & Evangelos recommended running slides for 100-200 hours. Do most of you (that know more than me) run slides to condition the panel?
This is my first plasma & second flat screen, my other a Sony XBR4 that is sweet. But needed a replacement for a CRT that finally died after 20 years.
I appreciate all of the great input here & even after many years of being an audiophile (am 56), I'm still open to learning as much as possible!
Thanks in advance.
Jeff
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Hey Everyone,

 

I just purchased the P60ST60 and it should arrive in the next several days. I'm going to follow D-Nice's tutorial on running slides for 100 Hours and then using his preferred settings. After that i'll break it in for another 200-300 hours with only HD 1.78 video files (no LB or SM or logos on the screen). My question for you is this:

 

I have an HTPC that i'll eventually be using on this TV with a Radeon HD 6450 video card, the HDMI gets passed through a Harmon Kardon AVR 1600. Is there any calibration required on that video card or receiver? Is any calibration required through XBMC? I know the TV will be calibrated but i'm wondering if the settings on my HTPC/Receiver will affect it in anyway. Currently all of the settings on all devices are default.

 

Thanks!

 

Eric

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Forgot to mention that my TV is coming Tuesday, where it will be set up in my guitar room. Can play with it out of my wife's way, who wants to watch it as soon as it comes. Greg said I can watch it & run the slides when not being used but prefer to do it right. Also got the Disney WOW blue ray set for quick setup & tweaking the XBR4.
Think I can do the calibration myself using either D-Nice's settings or CNET's. Any recommendation of which?
Thanks in advance.
Jeff
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Hey all, If I run D-Nice's slides for the first 100 hours, input his settings, is it okay to then break in the st60 with say Madagascar 3 HD(full screen, no letterbox, etc) for another 200 hours with D-Nice's settings on? Or should I do the break in on Standard Mode(low contrast) and then switch back to D-Nice's settings? I heard it's bad to break in a plasma with Calibrated settings.
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Just wanted to pop in and say i just got a 55" ST60 a few hours ago and the PQ is fantastic ! Much better than my GT50 smile.gif
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Just wanted to pop in and say i just got a 55" ST60 a few hours ago and the PQ is fantastic ! Much better than my GT50 smile.gif


Where do you find the room for all these TV's? eek.gif



Ian biggrin.gif
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Just wanted to pop in and say i just got a 55" ST60 a few hours ago and the PQ is fantastic ! Much better than my GT50 smile.gif
Congrats!
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