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post #8881 of 12329
Dumb question here, but I'm just double checking:

Other than the actual settings in there by default, there's no fundamental difference between Custom and Cinema, is there? As in, you can plug D-Nice's settings or CNet's or whatever into either one of those modes, and as long as you entered them the same, it would look the same. Right? But the other modes don't enable all of the settings, like the Pro settings, right?

Marc

PS: I feel really stupid asking this, after owning the set for a couple weeks and reading all ~300 pages of this thread!
post #8882 of 12329
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Originally Posted by Marc_G View Post

Dumb question here, but I'm just double checking:

Other than the actual settings in there by default, there's no fundamental difference between Custom and Cinema, is there? As in, you can plug D-Nice's settings or CNet's or whatever into either one of those modes, and as long as you entered them the same, it would look the same. Right? But the other modes don't enable all of the settings, like the Pro settings, right?

Marc

PS: I feel really stupid asking this, after owning the set for a couple weeks and reading all ~300 pages of this thread!

All picture modes are preset different internally, in other words, the same user settings will look different in each mode.
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Glad I asked, then! Is the difference in internal settings documented somewhere? I'm curious what differences might be in there.
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Originally Posted by Astralmind View Post

hmm I believe I checked for sofware update the minute I turned it on but it could be that the firmware is a seperate update, I'll give it a shot.

Regardless, 3D is really a novelty and not the reason why I bought the TV but still I wondered if 3D was just bad in general or if it was particular to this TV.
I just got my 60st60 on Monday as well, and haven't noticed any issues with flickering 3D; I wonder if there's a setting somewhere that you have on or off that's causing it. The image does appear darker in 3D, but that seems to be a common thing with active 3D, and it hasn't bothered me much. I've actually been pleasantly surprised by the picture quality and sharpness on my TV in 3D... from everything I'd read I was expecting it to be not worth watching, but I've enjoyed it quite a bit.

I think the software update you did is the same thing as "firmware update," but you might double-check to be sure you have the latest version.
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Originally Posted by Marc_G View Post

Dumb question here, but I'm just double checking:

Other than the actual settings in there by default, there's no fundamental difference between Custom and Cinema, is there? As in, you can plug D-Nice's settings or CNet's or whatever into either one of those modes, and as long as you entered them the same, it would look the same. Right? But the other modes don't enable all of the settings, like the Pro settings, right?

Marc

PS: I feel really stupid asking this, after owning the set for a couple weeks and reading all ~300 pages of this thread!


Easy peasey solution,,, why don't you program DNice's settings into both Cinema and Custom modes and then compare the two? Either mode can be easily reset back to default after you're done. cool.gif
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Cinema calibrates different mainly from a color stanpoint, you can plug those settings in but I don't believe they will result in the same picture. Also the DNice settings produced a red push on my set
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Was about to buy this TV when sales guy asked if I was a gamer - I said casual & he said look @ the S60 or a Sony.
post #8889 of 12329
So if you're not going to get the set professionally calibrated, what's the best few "go-to" calibrations right now for the ST60? I'd like to start trying a few to see what it looks like. I've had my set for about a month now (65st60)


I know about CNET and D-Nice (not sure where to find his latest settings {ie..what page/post #}), but above someone said they developed a little red push from the D-Nice settings. I'll try them and see for myself, but just wondering if there are any other settings that people are using


Thanks fellas! biggrin.gif
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Try mine in my sig, if u like.
post #8891 of 12329
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

So if you're not going to get the set professionally calibrated, what's the best few "go-to" calibrations right now for the ST60? I'd like to start trying a few to see what it looks like. I've had my set for about a month now (65st60)


I know about CNET and D-Nice (not sure where to find his latest settings {ie..what page/post #}), but above someone said they developed a little red push from the D-Nice settings. I'll try them and see for myself, but just wondering if there are any other settings that people are using


Thanks fellas! biggrin.gif
I have found nothing compares to CNET - nothing. Not one TV I own do another site's / person's /experts settings look as good as Katzmaier. Read the way he goes about it and then put his settings in and give it 7-10 days and you're like um oh yeah ....this is the way it should look
post #8892 of 12329
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

Custom Mode
Contrast at 100
Brightnes at +4
Panel Brightness at High
Gamma at 2.2 or 2.4( I prefer 2.4)

Will give it a shot as well was panel brightness set med or high.
post #8893 of 12329
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Originally Posted by glantern30 View Post

Will give it a shot as well was panel brightness set med or high.
High if you want the most light output. I would toggle between these two to see what works best: panel high & gamma 2.4 / panel mid & gamma at 2.2.
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Originally Posted by Astralmind View Post

Just got my 60" ST60 2 days ago. For a guy reintegrating the TV world (had been using projectors as my sole display source for over 10 years now!) this was quite a tough decision! I've been used to 92" in a rather dark living room (basically a man cave on a 2nd floor). We are moving into a new condo in a few weeks and the wife wasn't too thrilled about having our few windows covered and a projetor hanging from the ceiling next to the kitchen table (open space).

Anyways, so far, I am totally THRILLED! Outstanding PQ, very happy. Played some Battlefield 4 yesterday and wasn't bother by the supposedly terrible input lag and I consider myself fairly competitive.

A few observations/rethoric questions so far:

- What the heck were they thinking about the "Standard mode" ? Why even have a mode like this one !? Dim, boring blerh! Running it in custom mode with very little tweak and a lowered contrast to avoid issues right now.

- Why are manufacturers insisting on using their own UI/OS as opposed to something like Android/Google TV ? As far as I know, android is a free OS... My cheap Chinese dual core stick (40$) works much better than the built in software...

- Is 3D supposed to be considered usable ? Don't get me wrong, the 3D effect can be quite convincing and even impressive. But the dimming is really pronounced and the flickering is beyond annoying (in my case at least).


Don't get me wrong I thing that 3d is a gimmick as well. And at first people reallyu said the 3d was bad on this set. But I updated the firmware before I watched life a pi and if I can get the picture a little brighter and the and the picture settings a little better I may be willing to change my mind on hating 3d lol.. However the glasses do suck especially when you're already wearing a pair lol.
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My wife and I were not plasma snobs. A neighbor, who is a plasma snob rolleyes.gif, talked us into plasma over LED. We are very happy with our decision to go plasma, and even happier that we bought one before they become rare. Now that we have embraced plasma we are sorry to see Panasonic making it official that there will be no more after March 2014. And even happier that we made the change so we can enjoy the better picture quality and richer color of our new plasma TV for hopefully years to come. It will with any luck hold us over until OLED becomes reasonable in price. cool.gif
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My wife and I were not plasma snobs. A neighbor, who is a plasma snob rolleyes.gif, talked us into plasma over LED. We are very happy with our decision to go plasma, and even happier that we bought one before they become rare. Now that we have embraced plasma we are sorry to see Panasonic making it official that there will be no more after March 2014. And even happier that we made the change so we can enjoy the better picture quality and richer color of our new plasma TV for hopefully years to come. It will with any luck hold us over until OLED becomes reasonable in price. cool.gif



Plasma snob that is a new title to me, but I kinda like it biggrin.gif
Continued good luck with your plasma smile.gif
post #8897 of 12329
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Cinema calibrates different mainly from a color stanpoint, you can plug those settings in but I don't believe they will result in the same picture. Also the DNice settings produced a red push on my set

I will eventually give it a try. I just figured the modes were all equivalent except for the settings plugged into them, but if something under the hood is different for each, that complicates things a bit.

On the other hand, after ~150 hours (~130 hours slides, 20 hours mixed content), cinema mode with minor tweaks to get white/black fully calibrated looks so much better than my old TV that any further fine tuning is probably just for fun. Great picture. Absolutely stunning.

The problem: coming from an old 50" 1080i set, I suddenly really hate watching DVD content. My old set didn't properly display the difference between DVD and 1080p; now 1080p looks crystal sharp and DVD just looks blurry, even with LAV decoders and such. I've been spoiled.

Marc
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Originally Posted by Astralmind View Post

hmm I believe I checked for sofware update the minute I turned it on but it could be that the firmware is a seperate update, I'll give it a shot.

Regardless, 3D is really a novelty and not the reason why I bought the TV but still I wondered if 3D was just bad in general or if it was particular to this TV.

The 3D is fine on my ST60. It is quite usable with enough brightness. I also don't have much problem with flickering-only a little bit when I first turn it on. I also had my set calibrated by Chad B which does help.
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Originally Posted by RicFlair View Post

I have found nothing compares to CNET - nothing. Not one TV I own do another site's / person's /experts settings look as good as Katzmaier. Read the way he goes about it and then put his settings in and give it 7-10 days and you're like um oh yeah ....this is the way it should look
Is he the guy who did the settings you see when you Google it?
post #8900 of 12329
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Originally Posted by slack2116 View Post

Is he the guy who did the settings you see when you Google it?

No that is Dnice not the same person, the CNET settings are okay but you can do better with just a basic calibration disc, The white balance and gamma cms settings vary from set to set so they are really not transferable
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

So if you're not going to get the set professionally calibrated, what's the best few "go-to" calibrations right now for the ST60? I'd like to start trying a few to see what it looks like. I've had my set for about a month now (65st60)


I know about CNET and D-Nice (not sure where to find his latest settings {ie..what page/post #}), but above someone said they developed a little red push from the D-Nice settings. I'll try them and see for myself, but just wondering if there are any other settings that people are using


Thanks fellas! biggrin.gif

I've used cadett's settings for a bit and they are nice and worth giving a shot. I finially went ahead and used a wow disc since my TV is up against a red color wall and I think the wall has an effect on my picture. with the WOW disc there a way to adjust the color with a blue film but when I do, it makes tv watching tough in a sense everything seems a bit too deep in color. I watched the knicks, bulls game last night and TNT just seem to deep and dark. the orange jerseys on the knick was so dark and the players faces seemed to saturated. Now, this could be the feed coming in I don't know??? I'll double check with a blu ray tonight.

When I used the WOW disc here's some of the numbers I got:
(adjustment are made in cinema mode night viewing otherwise completly darken room. After I calibrate I do have ambient cyron lighting behind the tv which I love. I use custom for day time viewing)

contrast- 75
brightness +1
color 60 (using the blue film that came with the WOW disc)
tint -2 (using the blue film that came with the WOW disc)
sharpness- 13

I leave GAMMA at 2.4 since I have the 60 inch model and that seems to be the consenses number for this size tv and I like it.
post #8902 of 12329
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

Custom Mode
Contrast at 100
Brightnes at +4
Panel Brightness at High
Gamma at 2.2 or 2.4( I prefer 2.4)


It's funny I turned on the WOW disc with the 2d-3d on and got the same numbers with glasses on lol. I know that's not how you do it but all the same I do like it. do you know what the "3d effect it suppose to do? I have it on +2 but while watching some of Avatar last night I couldn't tell a difference. Is it better to just leave it at 0?

I thought it might help things come through the scree more, I'm not going to lie I do like that about 3d more then most, which is why I liked Life of Pi so much, it seemed to do that a lot better then Avatar.
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Almost at 100hrs break in. Will try the DNice settings and watch The Dark Knight Rises tomorrow. Can't wait.

This is my first plasma (and apparently last) but really happy with it so far. Even with just the test patterns running, to see a solid pattern onscreen, visible with full contrast off-axis with complete screen uniformity is amazing coming from owning LCDs previously.
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

So if you're not going to get the set professionally calibrated, what's the best few "go-to" calibrations right now for the ST60? I'd like to start trying a few to see what it looks like. I've had my set for about a month now (65st60)


I know about CNET and D-Nice (not sure where to find his latest settings {ie..what page/post #}), but above someone said they developed a little red push from the D-Nice settings. I'll try them and see for myself, but just wondering if there are any other settings that people are using


Thanks fellas! biggrin.gif
I have found nothing compares to CNET - nothing. Not one TV I own do another site's / person's /experts settings look as good as Katzmaier. Read the way he goes about it and then put his settings in and give it 7-10 days and you're like um oh yeah ....this is the way it should look

LOL, I have had the exact opposite experience with Katzmaier's settings.
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

LOL, I have had the exact opposite experience with Katzmaier's settings.

Do you have the upgrade bug yet ? smile.gif
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Originally Posted by RicFlair View Post

I have found nothing compares to CNET - nothing. Not one TV I own do another site's / person's /experts settings look as good as Katzmaier. Read the way he goes about it and then put his settings in and give it 7-10 days and you're like um oh yeah ....this is the way it should look



ONLY because you've never seen an ISF-calibrated picture on your Panny plasma. But I will agree with ya as I'm VERY happy with CNET's Cinema settings and DNices Custom setting on my 50ST60 while also realizing the picture quality could be improved with a ~$400 professional calibration. IF only I had the extra money to spend,,,, that's my issue. rolleyes.gif

That's why I'm very appreciative of these internet settings and in these times of economic turmoil, I'm sure I'm not alone in that respect.


Cheers,
Robin
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Plasma snob that is a new title to me, but I kinda like it biggrin.gif
Continued good luck with your plasma smile.gif

"Plasma Snob" because he says plasma is the ONLY way to go, he's a snob about his TV. In the past, we have run into many other plasma owners who don't just enjoy their plasma TV's, but insist that plasma is the only way to travel. We enjoyed our Sony LCD for years, it had a great picture and beautiful colors. We were actually not impressed by his set when he brought us in to show it off when we were looking to buy a new larger TV. It's an older set, about 4 grand he says when he bought it, and the first thing he did was turn all of the lights off. And then the picture was fuzzy, not quite in focus. He did get us looking though, and we did like what we saw in stores, mainly professional TV stores where they knew what they were doing, as opposed to big box stores (Best Buy, Fry's, Sears, and the like). LED does have its points, and it is great as well, and perhaps the way to go when bright light can't be avoided. This set though overcomes the need for darkness that we have heard so much about as far as plasmas go. We watch it in a normally lit room and it is beautiful. We are experimenting with back lighting for watching movies though, mainly for the theater atmosphere. We currently have two round black material clad cylinders with low wattage bulbs sitting on top of the front side speakers and behind the screen. They seem to provide a cheap Target alternative to LED strip backlighting we were looking at.

I'm glad you like my title though and do not take offense at it. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by glantern30 View Post

It's funny I turned on the WOW disc with the 2d-3d on and got the same numbers with glasses on lol. I know that's not how you do it but all the same I do like it. do you know what the "3d effect it suppose to do? I have it on +2 but while watching some of Avatar last night I couldn't tell a difference. Is it better to just leave it at 0?

I thought it might help things come through the scree more, I'm not going to lie I do like that about 3d more then most, which is why I liked Life of Pi so much, it seemed to do that a lot better then Avatar.
It's used as an offset. It's to send the effect to the back or to send it to the front. Where "0" is as is & I'm not sure which direction + or - sends, depends on what they used a point of reference.I would think "+" would add depth & "-" would take away or "pop out". I also notices this setting had effect on cross-talk, so if you are getting a lot, maybe try adjusting it.
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Plasma snob that is a new title to me, but I kinda like it biggrin.gif
Continued good luck with your plasma smile.gif
Hopefully Samsung continues plasma displays for a few more years......
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Hows everyone using the Pandora Smart App? Im concerned of the possibility of burn in, as there are certain elements that just are static
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