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Thanks for the suggestions. That is on the agenda for tonight. I will post the results.

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Originally Posted by MNJeff View Post

Hello,

I am a new owner of a TC-P60ST60 and am having a difficult time with the picture quality. Hope someone can help.

The unit is connected using new HDMI type 2 cables to a DIRECTV HR34 through a Pioneer VSX1018ah receiver. I am running the D-Nice prep slides and will have approx. 120 hours by the end of today. This is combined with approx. 3 hours of program viewing per day. Viewing is mostly in a dark area.

I realize that the factory settings would need some tweaking but I cannot seam to get a decent picture. The "standard" setting is unwatchable, extremely dim and dark. Cinema and Home Theater are better but still produce a somewhat dim picture that is also soft and not at all sharp. How could anyone think that is a quality picture? I avoid the vivid setting.

I have tried the various settings posted by D-Nice, Plasma Junkies, CNet, DTVMike et al but still not getting what I would expect. Last night I played with the sta650
ard setting and got a better outcome but not sure what other settings to try in that mode to improve. On dark scenes its like watching through a dirty window.

With all the high ratings out there, I was expecting to be blown away or at least satisfied.  I am not impressed and becoming disappointed with this unit.  Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
MN Jeff

I did a 2 point white balance calibration on my ST60 using a id3pro meter. Cinema is closest to the D6500 white point or 313x 329y. Just reset your settings and use only a calibration disk and do a basic setup. Leave White Balance controls at defualt and only adjust Contrast , Brightness and Sharpness. I would also reset the gamma 10 point values as well as the white balance 10pt too. Start from standard factory. Gamma 2.6 closest to 2.2. Copying settings specially the white balance 2point and 10point , gamma 10point is at best a crap shoot. It might get you further away from what factory settings were. Enjoy the tv it has a great picture.
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^^^^I don't have a meter (yet) but I thought it was reported that Gamma 2.4 was closest to 2.2 for the 60" and 2.6 for the 65" BICBW.

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Originally Posted by MNJeff View Post

Thanks for the suggestions. That is on the agenda for tonight. I will post the results.
Please don't take this as a criticism. smile.gif

It's very hard to interpret your description of the picture quality of your new set. For one thing, no one here has any way to know if your expectations are realistic, or if you have preferences that are different from those trying to help. Some people like what they see in a show room, but others are more interested in seeing movies that look as close as possible to the directors intension. Of course there are also the hockey fans who want to be blinded by bright white ice.

The advise to stick with Cinema mode is very good. I think that's the mode used in the CNet calibration. If you use settings like CNet then don't expect them to be the final word on getting the best performance possible out of your new set because your set is not exactly like any other set of the same model. If you get a good calibration disk, and follow advice that's available here at AVS, you should be able to get performance that is very close to what most others are getting.

Don't be in a rush, simplify, and enjoy the trip. smile.gif
post #9155 of 12381
I don't get all the neg on the lag for gaming? I was playing Far Cry 3 on it and there's no lag, 3D on the other hand looks great when its slow moving but fast movement doesn't look that great on it, that's the only neg with this set.
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Please don't take this as a criticism. smile.gif

It's very hard to interpret your description of the picture quality of your new set. For one thing, no one here has any way to know if your expectations are realistic, or if you have preferences that are different from those trying to help. Some people like what they see in a show room, but others are more interested in seeing movies that look as close as possible to the directors intension. Of course there are also the hockey fans who want to be blinded by bright white ice.

The advise to stick with Cinema mode is very good. I think that's the mode used in the CNet calibration. If you use settings like CNet then don't expect them to be the final word on getting the best performance possible out of your new set because your set is not exactly like any other set of the same model. If you get a good calibration disk, and follow advice that's available here at AVS, you should be able to get performance that is very close to what most others are getting.

Don't be in a rush, simplify, and enjoy the trip. smile.gif

What's a good calibration disk?
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Originally Posted by RicFlair View Post

Boy I put cnet settings in and found picture razor sharp ?

Did you do ALL of the tweaking ?

Hold the phone. Weren't you the one spamming these boards about how awful the lag was on the st60? And now you purchased the set?
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Originally Posted by Ryder125 View Post

What's a good calibration disk?

 

Most people use the Disney WOW disc but I like the new HD Spears and Munsil.

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Originally Posted by Ryder125 View Post

So I bought this TV today and just watched man of steal... This set is crazy good, can't believe how much of an improvement it is over my LCD Sony, the improvements with the blacks and dark scenes and detail are very noticeable of what my last TV lacking. Should've bought earlier so I could've gotten the bigger size and been enjoying this greatness.
Then consider the cost factor, these units are the best bang for the buck.........
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Hello
Just got my tc-p60st60 today. I have been reading all of the good reviews on this and other forms. This was the reason I chose this tv.

I cannot see anyway of changing any of the settings or accessing options I have seen on this.
For example screen wipe. Advanced settings 3d settings ect.
I have searched all over and seem to be the only one with this problem.
Can anyone help?

Paul
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St60 plsama is on the best tv list on USA today also, I have St30 set and i thought that is good, on ST60 i am blown away with the black level, the cnet setting in cinema mode is very good for ST60, most people should be happy with those setting, i will have calibration done in couple of months on my set. i have calibrated both my plasmas in the past, i would recommend to get it calibrated if you really want to enjoy the PQ.
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So what's the deal with break in? First plasma... I heard there's no need for it with the ST60? I just got the set yesterday, should I use WOW on it now or wait a bit? Or does it matter?
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for break in period.
just use full screen content first 200 hours, use cinema mode, try to mix content also, don't watch ESPN/CNN like channels 8 to 10 hours straight. these are some precaution for first 200 hours. you should be fine.
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Originally Posted by Paul1478 View Post

Hello
Just got my tc-p60st60 today. I have been reading all of the good reviews on this and other forms. This was the reason I chose this tv.

I cannot see anyway of changing any of the settings or accessing options I have seen on this.
For example screen wipe. Advanced settings 3d settings ect.
I have searched all over and seem to be the only one with this problem.
Can anyone help?

Paul

Hit menu on your remote. All options are there. You can scroll down to the help section on the left side of the menu screen as well
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Originally Posted by MNJeff View Post

Thanks for the suggestions. That is on the agenda for tonight. I will post the results.

Make sure you have all the power options (CATS) disabled. They can give you a very dim picture.
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Thank you. 2nd page is what I could not find.
Then1 of 2 should have been an indication.
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Originally Posted by iserum View Post

for break in period.
just use full screen content first 200 hours, use cinema mode, try to mix content also, don't watch ESPN/CNN like channels 8 to 10 hours straight. these are some precaution for first 200 hours. you should be fine.

K what about using Disneys WOW, should be fine to use that now or after the 200 hours?
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Originally Posted by jason22 View Post

I envy you guys for being able to enjoy that so up close. Its really interesting how size can vary for people.
Im seating about 10-11 ft from my 65" and still struggling to adjust to the huge screen after a week. Huge screen is amazing when not much is going on the screen like with a concert but with action scenes your eyes need to wander a lot.

I sit 11' from a 50" and consider it about perfect. I always sat in the back row in theaters though. Can't take in the full screen if you're too close.
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Originally Posted by Paul1478 View Post

Hello
Just got my tc-p60st60 today. I have been reading all of the good reviews on this and other forms. This was the reason I chose this tv.

I cannot see anyway of changing any of the settings or accessing options I have seen on this.
For example screen wipe. Advanced settings 3d settings ect.
I have searched all over and seem to be the only one with this problem.
Can anyone help?

Paul

Pro settings, if that's what you mean, are only available in cinema and custom modes. You have to be using true 3D to have access to all settings, simulated 3D doesn't allow access to all settings. Screen wipe is in picture, screen settings.
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Originally Posted by Ryder125 View Post

K what about using Disneys WOW, should be fine to use that now or after the 200 hours?

i used the cnet setting from day one, watching in full screen mode as i mentioned earlier, my calibration is scheduled in ist week of January, i will have 400-500 hours by then. i am not aware of WOW DVD from Disney, cnet setting are very good in my opinion, this tv has too many settings to set using a DVD or Bluray.
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Thank you. 2nd page is what I could not find.
Then1 of 2 should have been an indication.
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Thank you. 2nd page is what I could not find.
Then1 of 2 should have been an indication.
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Originally Posted by iserum View Post

i used the cnet setting from day one, watching in full screen mode as i mentioned earlier, my calibration is scheduled in ist week of January, i will have 400-500 hours by then. i am not aware of WOW DVD from Disney, cnet setting are very good in my opinion, this tv has too many settings to set using a DVD or Bluray.

Thanks, going to use cnet settings tonight. Would love to hear back in Jan from you on how much the difference is from cnet to hiring someone.
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Originally Posted by kelseyhorne View Post

Hello,

Is there a way that I can disable the home screen coming on right when you turn the tv on? I would like it to go right to the last selected input. Any help would be great

Here is one source for a way to do it.
http://howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39-57588584-285/turn-off-banner-ads-on-your-2013-panasonic-tv/
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Originally Posted by Ryder125 View Post

What's a good calibration disk?
The two that seem to be very popular are:

Spears & Munsil HD Benchmark 3D Disc
2nd Edition

Disney WoW, Optimixe your HDTV Home Theater

I am not a user of either one because we had UMR calibrate our 2D Pioneer Kuro.

My understanding is that the WoW disk might be better for a beginner, but that the Spears & Munsil willl take your further.

You can check out either one in the calibration forum.
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Originally Posted by iserum View Post

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Originally Posted by Ryder125 View Post

K what about using Disneys WOW, should be fine to use that now or after the 200 hours?

i used the cnet setting from day one, watching in full screen mode as i mentioned earlier, my calibration is scheduled in ist week of January, i will have 400-500 hours by then. i am not aware of WOW DVD from Disney, cnet setting are very good in my opinion, this tv has too many settings to set using a DVD or Bluray.
Who is going to do your calibration?

If it's someone active here at AVS please include his or her name and AVS user name so that I can include a link to your report about your impressions in the list that's linked in the signature area at the bottom of my post.
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I tried cnet settings but found it had a bit of a blue tint, then tried D-Nice settings and its looking really good.
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Thanks again for all the suggestions and the help.

 

BTW-I am new to this forum and have NEVER posted or replied here and am NOT a spammer.

 

As suggested, I checked the picture by using a BD player connected directly and also the HR34 connected directly using new HDMI cables bypassing the AV receiver. No difference from going though the AV and little or no difference between the HR34 and the BD and what difference there was I would attribute to 1080P coming out of the BD vs. 720P or 1080i out of the DirecTV box.

 

To be candid, the quality seems to be improving as the hours clock using the D-Nice slides...or maybe it's just me.

 

I have had plasma sets for the past 8 years in town and at the lake. This set replaced an 8 year old 50" Panasonic  and I still have to say that the picture quality is not even at the level of that older unit. I expected to be at least a little impressed.

 

I do a factory reset and redo the D-Nice settings each time and the room is under the same light conditions (night).  I understand that "quality" is subjective, however, this is not nuanced. My eyes hurt after watching for a couple of hours tonight.  Next step will be using the DVE HD calibration disk and hope for the best.

 

I am really hoping that the perceived improvement continues but am beginning to think that either the unit is flawed or that it just does not live up to all the hype.

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Originally Posted by MNJeff View Post

Thanks again for all the suggestions and the help.

BTW-I am new to this forum and have NEVER posted or replied here and am NOT a spammer.

As suggested, I checked the picture by using a BD player connected directly and also the HR34 connected directly using new HDMI cables bypassing the AV receiver. No difference from going though the AV and little or no difference between the HR34 and the BD and what difference there was I would attribute to 1080P coming out of the BD vs. 720P or 1080i out of the DirecTV box.

To be candid, the quality seems to be improving as the hours clock using the D-Nice slides...or maybe it's just me.

I have had plasma sets for the past 8 years in town and at the lake. This set replaced an 8 year old 50" Panasonic  and I still have to say that the picture quality is not even at the level of that older unit. I expected to be at least a little impressed.

I do a factory reset and redo the D-Nice settings each time and the room is under the same light conditions (night).  I understand that "quality" is subjective, however, this is not nuanced. My eyes hurt after watching for a couple of hours tonight.  Next step will be using the DVE HD calibration disk and hope for the best.

I am really hoping that the perceived improvement continues but am beginning to think that either the unit is flawed or that it just does not live up to all the hype.


The settings you are inputting could be making the picture worse, exaggerating colors/elements that were there and the opposite of what D-Nice's TV. Forget inputting someone else's detailed settings. Just leave it on Custom or Cinema, baseline contrast/brightness/sharpness type settings with "enhancements" disabled.

What are you watching that doesn't look good?

And why do your eyes hurt? Do you think the picture is too bright in your dark room?
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Does anyone have experience with the Monoprice 4x1 HDMI switch w/ toslink (http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=101&cp_id=10110&cs_id=1011002&p_id=5557&seq=1&format=2)? I understand how the Toslink works and that it can down-sample based on the source; I'm looking into this because I want to get a soundbar and most only support one Toslink. My concern here is compatibility with the ST60, I have the current version of the regular 4x1 HDMI switch and it was not working properly with the ST60 (as well with my PZ80U, a replacement helped here though). What would happen is sometimes it would turn on and switch input, other times I'd get nothing. This was mostly happening with my Xbox where I'd get audio but no video, just seemed like general handshake issues. For cables, I'm using their standard HDMI ferrite core cables.

Any help or insight would be much appreciated.
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