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post #9511 of 12367
Just input the settings and be done with it. The TV won't self destruct if you don't run the slides. I can't believe all the people on here that buy a new TV and run slides for 100 hours. Turn the TV on and enjoy it.
post #9512 of 12367
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Originally Posted by TheBruceleeroy View Post

You mean just put it back over the top of the tv? Great idea man thanks.

Hell NO! Just place the box tight in front of the screen, but not touching the screen. It'll block enough of the light so I could sleep with it facing me from my bedside. Then just pull the box when you don't need it.
post #9513 of 12367
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Originally Posted by TheBruceleeroy View Post

You mean just put it back over the top of the tv? Great idea man thanks.
Absolutely not. The point is to not block the vents for reasons of heat. Stand the box in front of the tv.
post #9514 of 12367
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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post

Just input the settings and be done with it. The TV won't self destruct if you don't run the slides. I can't believe all the people on here that buy a new TV and run slides for 100 hours. Turn the TV on and enjoy it.
Thats another option. smile.gif
post #9515 of 12367
I am a dumb ass. I should have told you common sense isn't my strong suit either.
Thanks for holding my hand through this everyone I really appreciate it.
post #9516 of 12367
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Thats another option. smile.gif

I can attest to that smile.gif
post #9517 of 12367
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Originally Posted by Robin Bombard View Post

Use the Panny box instead of a blanket. It worked for me sitting next to my bed while running them slides 12.5 days straight.

You mean just put it back over the top of the tv? Great idea man thanks.
If you do that open the bottom of the box so that there is a way for the heat to escape. Also allow a way for cool air to come in from the bottom too.

The best way is to just watch full screen sources that don't have fixed images. You probably wouldn't notice the difference even it you followed D-Nice's instructions perfectly. Any DVD or Blu-ray with an aspect ratio of 1.78:1 will fit your screen perfectly. All HDTV channels will fill the screen too, but some of them have fixed images or ticker tape scrolling along the bottom of the screen.

Here is some image retention (IR) reading that might help you.

Two Types of IR - Part I

Two Types of IR - Part II

Avoid and Remove IR.
Edited by htwaits - 11/24/13 at 11:50pm
post #9518 of 12367
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

If you do that open the bottom of the box so that there is a way for the heat to escape. Also allow a way for cool air to come in from the bottom too.
You probably mean open the top of the box so that heat can escape. Personally I still wouldnt do it.
post #9519 of 12367
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

If you do that open the bottom of the box so that there is a way for the heat to escape. Also allow a way for cool air to come in from the bottom too.
You probably mean open the top of the box so that heat can escape. Personally I still wouldnt do it.
I guess it is the top of the box. It's been a long time (2006) since I opened a TV box where the top was removable. The 50" S64. that I had for a short time was opened from the top. That was a pain.

I agree with you about using the box, but if someone does use the box, there needs to be a free path for hot air to get out and cooler air to get in.
post #9520 of 12367
Why does everyone have this do or die mentality about slides for D-Nice's settings and no one ever runs slides for CNET's settings? I've seen a lot of people on here who end up not liking D-Nice's settings, if that happens you just wasted 100 hours of slides for nothing.
post #9521 of 12367
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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post

Why does everyone have this do or die mentality about slides for D-Nice's settings and no one ever runs slides for CNET's settings? I've seen a lot of people on here who end up not liking D-Nice's settings, if that happens you just wasted 100 hours of slides for nothing.
Which "everybody" do you mean? Of course some people run slides and then use settings other than those posted by D-Nice.

All sets are different to some extent, even if they are the same model and size. D-Nice's procedure gives people a chance to come as close as possible to replicating what D-Nice did when he calibrated his set. Using anyone's settings may or may not improve your set in your eyes.

A professional calibration, done on your set by someone with a good reputation here at AVS, will be as close as possible to the industry standards used in the movie industry.

Most of the people who use the slides that are part of D-Nice's procedure are just trying to put safe hours on the set to reduce the chance of image retention. There is no scientific information to support doing that, but a lot of us are more comfortable letting the initial phosphor high burn rate finish before we watch ESPN, Fox NFL or hockey. Others watch "safe" sources for one or more hundred hours for the same reason. In that case, "safe" means that there are no fixed images, and the source fills the screen.
post #9522 of 12367
Not which everyone, everyone. Everyone on here who talks about D-Nice's settings thinks they need to run slides to input the settings or the TV won't work or something. I've never once seen anyone run slides for CNET's settings. It's the same thing is it not? D-Nice settings, CNET settings? Just where someone else thinks your TV settings should be.
post #9523 of 12367
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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post

Not which everyone, everyone. Everyone on here who talks about D-Nice's settings thinks they need to run slides to input the settings or the TV won't work or something. I've never once seen anyone run slides for CNET's settings. It's the same thing is it not? D-Nice settings, CNET settings? Just where someone else thinks your TV settings should be.
You don't seem to have understood what I wrote, but that's the best I can do. Sorry. redface.gif
post #9524 of 12367
I understand what you wrote. Jumping to conclusions a little on why people run slides. Everyone I've seen on here with IR issues has been past 100 hours so I don't know how much good running slides is for IR. When people talk about slides it's usually evenly aging the phosphors, not IR.

Everyone I remember seeing on here with IR issues has said the TV got more prone to it as they got more hours on it. What has been taken for granted in the past, more hours equals less prone to IR, doesn't seem to apply to the people having IR issues with these TVs.
Edited by samijubal - 11/25/13 at 2:24am
post #9525 of 12367
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Originally Posted by alloyd50 View Post

It seems to have been corrected once I applied D-Nice's suggested settings. No further issue at all, think I'm good to go - probably not a good sign that yours has an issue that a pro couldn't solve (assuming he knows what he's doing).

My calibrator is One of the very best smile.gif
post #9526 of 12367

Please delete. Thanks.


Edited by Shinji998 - 11/26/13 at 7:04am
post #9527 of 12367
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Originally Posted by jason22 View Post

Size dilemma

Coming from 55" i thought that bigger was better, but now im having hard time adjusting to the 65" inch version of this tv from 10-11 ft. I only have it for a few days but the picture is overwhelming huge from 10-11 feet im sitting plus its not wall mounted since have a stupid plaster wall, so the picture is kinda right in your face now. I think A 60 " would have been perfect but here in europe panny plasmas are only available in 55" or 65", and i know 55" is too small for my distance.
Just hoping i will get used to the size within the 20 days return window and not having to return this tv because of size.

Anyone who took the time to adjust to big size jump ?

I went from a 42" plasma to the 55ST50. Viewing distance is 7-8 ft. At first it was too in my face, but within a very short time I adjusted, and kind of wished I had gone bigger. I ended up returning it due to some issues. I'm planning on getting the 60ST60 soon. smile.gif
post #9528 of 12367
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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post

Not which everyone, everyone. Everyone on here who talks about D-Nice's settings thinks they need to run slides to input the settings or the TV won't work or something. I've never once seen anyone run slides for CNET's settings. It's the same thing is it not? D-Nice settings, CNET settings? Just where someone else thinks your TV settings should be.
There are some who feel break in with slides is just a waist of energy. I guess in the end it is a matter of preference.
post #9529 of 12367
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

There are some who feel break in with slides is just a waist of energy. I guess in the end it is a matter of preference.



Agreed that's what it seems like it comes down too. I don't have enough experience since this is my first plasma, but all I'm doing is switching up my programming and watching as much full screen as possible. So far there's about 70 hours on my ST60, and I've had zero problems. I do understand why some may want to run slides for the first hundred hours or so, but it appears it is mostly a convenience factor IMO.
post #9530 of 12367
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

There are some who feel break in with slides is just a waist of energy. I guess in the end it is a matter of preference.
The people who dont understand how to use them properly are mostly the ones who think they are a waste of energy. And then to add to the confusion you have people that ask why bother with them and say they dont understand and then when you try to explain they dont listen.
post #9531 of 12367
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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post

I understand what you wrote. Jumping to conclusions a little on why people run slides. Everyone I've seen on here with IR issues has been past 100 hours so I don't know how much good running slides is for IR. When people talk about slides it's usually evenly aging the phosphors, not IR.

Everyone I remember seeing on here with IR issues has said the TV got more prone to it as they got more hours on it. What has been taken for granted in the past, more hours equals less prone to IR, doesn't seem to apply to the people having IR issues with these TVs.

Running the slides has NOTHING to do with IR or burn-in prevention, or creation. Running the slides is simply a way to accelerate even wear of the phosphors, and should produce a somewhat close approximation of the picture quality of the set(s) D-Nice calibrated to come up with his recommended settings. Use the slides or not, use his settings or not, the choice is up to the end user of the product. What looks good to them, might look horrible to someone else. It is all subjective.

Using someone else's settings (especially the detailed gray scale, and other advanced settings) is quite simply a crap-shoot. And in my opinion, going online looking for settings to "make my set look good" is basically the same as asking "tell me what I should like". To me, that would be like asking the internet community to tell you what is art, or what person you should be attracted to.
post #9532 of 12367
I want to run the slides since this is my first plasma and even though I don't fully understand the science behind it I figure it couldn't hurt
post #9533 of 12367
The fastest way to age phosphors is to put up an all white screen and turn contrast all the way up. Slides are pretty much a waste of time. There's no real data that shows they help compared to just watching the panel.

larry
post #9534 of 12367
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Originally Posted by Bob_Collins View Post


Using someone else's settings (especially the detailed gray scale, and other advanced settings) is quite simply a crap-shoot. And in my opinion, going online looking for settings to "make my set look good" is basically the same as asking "tell me what I should like". To me, that would be like asking the internet community to tell you what is art, or what person you should be attracted to.

+1
post #9535 of 12367
I go with the approach of playing full screen content and slowly increase the contrast over time. For example, I use d-nice settings but start off with 40 contrast for first 50hrs.then, then 50 for the next 50hrs.anyway I think most have ir issues are torching their sets too early even when they have 100hrs on it already...

I did this with a Panasonic plasma from 2008 and have no issues with image retention or burn in.
Edited by marky12 - 11/25/13 at 9:23am
post #9536 of 12367
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Originally Posted by PooperScooper View Post

The fastest way to age phosphors is to put up an all white screen and turn contrast all the way up. Slides are pretty much a waste of time. There's no real data that shows they help compared to just watching the panel.

larry
You got any real data to prove the white screen aging process? Ive never heard of that and it just doesnt sound right.
post #9537 of 12367
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Originally Posted by Bob_Collins View Post

Running the slides has NOTHING to do with IR or burn-in prevention, or creation. Running the slides is simply a way to accelerate even wear of the phosphors, and should produce a somewhat close approximation of the picture quality of the set(s) D-Nice calibrated to come up with his recommended settings. Use the slides or not, use his settings or not, the choice is up to the end user of the product. What looks good to them, might look horrible to someone else. It is all subjective.

Using someone else's settings (especially the detailed gray scale, and other advanced settings) is quite simply a crap-shoot. And in my opinion, going online looking for settings to "make my set look good" is basically the same as asking "tell me what I should like". To me, that would be like asking the internet community to tell you what is art, or what person you should be attracted to.

Quite right Bob. Everybody's "eye" views things in their own perspective. Trying some of the other settings does give one a reference for how some of the "experts" perceive the way these sets should present an image..... so in that regard alone they could be useful.
post #9538 of 12367
Most people I know tend to think brighter picture means the TV is better. They don't look at color, contrast and details. It's all about brightness and pop (color saturation). So yes, it's all about personal preference but at the end of the day most people here are looking for accuracy otherwise why not go with led?
post #9539 of 12367
Hi,

I'm getting these vertical lines on white or bright screens. Is this normal? I thought white backgrounds are completely white? Is this a uniformity issue? Thanks.

post #9540 of 12367
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Originally Posted by par4 View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob_Collins View Post

Running the slides has NOTHING to do with IR or burn-in prevention, or creation. Running the slides is simply a way to accelerate even wear of the phosphors, and should produce a somewhat close approximation of the picture quality of the set(s) D-Nice calibrated to come up with his recommended settings. Use the slides or not, use his settings or not, the choice is up to the end user of the product. What looks good to them, might look horrible to someone else. It is all subjective.

Using someone else's settings (especially the detailed gray scale, and other advanced settings) is quite simply a crap-shoot. And in my opinion, going online looking for settings to "make my set look good" is basically the same as asking "tell me what I should like". To me, that would be like asking the internet community to tell you what is art, or what person you should be attracted to.

Quite right Bob. Everybody's "eye" views things in their own perspective. Trying some of the other settings does give one a reference for how some of the "experts" perceive the way these sets should present an image..... so in that regard alone they could be useful.

No, the different settings are not different experts' differing opinions of what the optimal image should look like. The different settings are merely the settings they used to achieve a *calibrated* picture (for color temp/balance, grayscale, etc.), using test patterns and measuring equipment. The reason the settings are all different is because all of the TVs are different and need different corrections to get to that reference calibration.

There's a reason experts don't post their calibration settings, only their before/after reports. If you look through the "after" reports, they are pretty much all the same.
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