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post #9931 of 12403
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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post

The switch does not confer any new capabilities on S/PDIF. The BD player should be sending the same audio over S/PDIF as the switch.

So I'll take that as a no.
post #9932 of 12403
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Originally Posted by Mrwhite2 View Post
 

Every morning for about ten minutes +/- 5minutes

I'm still praying it will disappear but it hasn't faded one bit in weeks.

I'm on the wait list for I think dnice or chadb to calibrate it but at this point I'm going to have to cancel.

Just finished my perfect set up as well, pioneer andrew jones soundbar, ps4, wiiU, xboxone, ruko, ATV3 and now my tv's busted.


What contrast did you have it on?

post #9933 of 12403
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Originally Posted by Poolshark69 View Post

Ahh ok didn't know you hadn't upgrade to PHT.

So I get the soap opera effect a bit in the netflix app as well as sound only through the TV (using hdmi back to my Yamaha ex-v3900 receiver). Should I just use my 360 for netflix or is there a way to get 5.1 from Netflix back to my receiver? Thanks

Did you adjust any settings when you went into Netflix for the first time? The settings in the Internet/app section are separate from the other inputs. So you could be seeing default settings there, with the smoother engaged. You can go back to one of your adjusted inputs and "copy" the settings over through the menu.
post #9934 of 12403
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Originally Posted by Robin Bombard View Post

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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post

The switch does not confer any new capabilities on S/PDIF. The BD player should be sending the same audio over S/PDIF as the switch.

So I'll take that as a no.

What are you talking about? The first thing I stated is a fact, and the second thing follows until proven otherwise. For it to be different data, the BD player would have to output a different audio track than the DTS or DD core. I'm not aware they do that, and grabbing the first handful of Blurays from the stack, I find they're all DTS-MA with foreign language tracks in DD. Considering I actually do run S/PDIF from my 3D BD player to my non-3D AVR, I get the English language version of the soundtracks, and my AVR indicates I'm getting DTS, this tells me I'm getting the DTS core, which is the only thing your switch could hope to output over S/PDIF.
post #9935 of 12403
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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post

What are you talking about? .

I asked you a specific question, have you actually made a listening comparison? You skirted the answer so I took it as no, you haven't actually compared the two. That's what I'm talking about.
post #9936 of 12403

Home theater 100% contrast

post #9937 of 12403
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

The only disadvantage of toslink from bluray to AVR is that toslink will not carry lossless audio. Many blurays now are DTS-HD Master Audio or Dolby True HD. Toslink supports neither one.

Sure, but you'll still get the core tracks, which are 1536 Kbps DTS or 640 Kbps DD and sound great.
I've never tested myself to find out if I can tell the difference. rolleyes.gifsmile.gif
post #9938 of 12403
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Originally Posted by Robin Bombard View Post

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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post

What are you talking about? .

I asked you a specific question, have you actually made a listening comparison? You skirted the answer so I took it as no, you haven't actually compared the two. That's what I'm talking about.

Your question was irrelevant, which is why I kindly ignored it. For one, I don't have your switch or DirecTV receiver so can't perform the test, and we were talking about BD players before you joined in and brought those things up. For another, you can claim to hear a difference, and I have no way to dispute that. People can and do claim any false or crazy thing, and that is especially true for audio topics, so I couldn't care less about what you claim to hear. What I can do is relate my understanding of how the technology works, which is what I've done, and I've explained over a couple of messages what you would need to demonstrate for someone to begin to take your claim seriously. It's very straightforward and can be determined objectively, without performing listening tests, which need to be blind to be valid. S/PDIF can only carry lossy multichannel audio. Your switch can't improve on that. If you hear a difference between your switch's S/PDIF output and your DirecTV receiver's S/PDIF output, it's because they're outputting different streams, and AFAIK, DirecTV doesn't deal in lossless DD or DTS anyway, and I think you're very confused to have brought it up when you said:
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Originally Posted by Robin Bombard View Post

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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

The only disadvantage of toslink from bluray to AVR is that toslink will not carry lossless audio. Many blurays now are DTS-HD Master Audio or Dolby True HD. Toslink supports neither one.

That's where the Monoprice HDMI splitters are so nice to have. Not only will they split the HDMI video, they'll extract the HDMI audio, DTS Digital, Dolby Digital, DTS-HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD. The audio quality of just the Dolby Digital that you are now getting from Toslink will be improved from the extracted HDMI audio using one of these splitters. I'm using the Monoprice 7974 using the same digital cable that I was using from my DirecTv DVR to my Sunfire processor, only now it attached to the 4 x 1 splitter and it's really no contest, the audio quality is that much better. DTS-HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD are beyond my processor's capability unfortunately.

That's just a bunch of nonsense, to be blunt, and I've explained why in the last few messages. And we were talking about Bluray anyway. If I were to guess, I'd say you were getting 2.0 audio from the DirecTV receiver's S/PDIF and 5.1 out of the switch, and that was due to a misconfiguration of the receiver's S/PDIF output on your part, which you don't recognize, and that explains why you think the switch is magical.
post #9939 of 12403
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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post

If I were to guess, .

Agreed!
post #9940 of 12403
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I've never tested myself to find out if I can tell the difference. rolleyes.gifsmile.gif
Its good to know the facts though. This is a science forum.
post #9941 of 12403
If you are talking about DD compared to DTS HD MA or TrueHD there is a definite and undeniable difference in SQ. With both DTS and TrueHD winning the SQ debate hands down.

This is also a quote from S&V magazine;

"ARC can convey Dolby Digital, DTS, and PCM, but none of the advanced codecs, such as Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, or DTS-HD"


So it seems the audio return channel on HDMI is limited as I suspected it was. The one place where the SQ will suffer when streaming from the ST60 is when streaming Vudu and choosing to watch HDX which uses DD plus. So the question is will the toslink pass DD plus? From what I can find online the answer is no. So there's no way to get DD+ and some of the advanced audio codecs to our AVR's via the ST60? That's a little bit of a bummer.
Edited by comfynumb - 12/5/13 at 5:18am
post #9942 of 12403
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Originally Posted by cyberbri View Post

Did you adjust any settings when you went into Netflix for the first time? The settings in the Internet/app section are separate from the other inputs. So you could be seeing default settings there, with the smoother engaged. You can go back to one of your adjusted inputs and "copy" the settings over through the menu.

Thanks Cyberbri that seemed to fix things. I am getting 5.1 through optical now. Seems the first episode of Lie to Me I watched had an issue with 5.1 for some reason.
post #9943 of 12403
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Originally Posted by NeilK View Post

Why not just Customize the buttons on the Harmony remote, Additional Buttons I think it is, TYpe in Netflix, then select TV as the device to control, then drop down the commands window and scroll to and select "NETFLIX" ... the built-in command Harmony has for the ST60 series. I am using Harmony Logitech Software Version 7 on my Windows 7 PC to program my lower level cheapie Harmony,
Well I didn't have any problem launching the Netflix app and the Netflix video comes right up no matter which input is selected on the TV. The problem is the audio continued from whatever source was selected and output from my HT receiver. My TV is connected to my HT receiver via HDMI 1. My input source to my receiver was cable box. That is the configuration most used in my house. In other words, when I pressed the Netflix button (either on the Panny remote or the Harmony) Netflix video was launched but the audio stayed on from the cable box. My HT receiver does not have a corresponding Netflix input since it comes from the TV. I reasoned the only way to make it work is to switch TV input to Ant/cable where the TV would switch the audio internally to streaming Netflix and then output it to the optical port. Still not sure if this is the most efficient setup but it works for me. Good Netflix video stream, 5.1 audio to the HT receiver and all controlled with a single button push on my Harmony remote.
post #9944 of 12403
I haven't viewed any 3D media yet on my new 55ST60. Still waiting for my 3D DVD player. I'm a little fuzzy about the eyewear though. I registered each pair in accordance with the manual and a little eyeglass box popped up in the lower right side of the TV screen so I'm assuming the two glasses are now paired with the TV. The book implies that the glasses will automatically power on when a 3D program starts. Is this accurate? If so, will the glasses power off after the program stops? Not sure if I ever need to push the buttons on the glasses.

Also, while watching the evening national news I got an alert on my screen indicating 3D programming was detected. Then a swirly looking GE light bulb commercial came on. Do 3D programs or commercials just pop up on short notice? Should I holster my glasses for a quick draw? rolleyes.gif
post #9945 of 12403
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Originally Posted by Digitude View Post

I haven't viewed any 3D media yet on my new 55ST60. Still waiting for my 3D DVD player. I'm a little fuzzy about the eyewear though. I registered each pair in accordance with the manual and a little eyeglass box popped up in the lower right side of the TV screen so I'm assuming the two glasses are now paired with the TV. The book implies that the glasses will automatically power on when a 3D program starts. Is this accurate? If so, will the glasses power off after the program stops? Not sure if I ever need to push the buttons on the glasses.

Also, while watching the evening national news I got an alert on my screen indicating 3D programming was detected. Then a swirly looking GE light bulb commercial came on. Do 3D programs or commercials just pop up on short notice? Should I holster my glasses for a quick draw? rolleyes.gif

We watched our first 3D movie over the weekend, "The Polar Express" and it was quite a treat.
It was easy too. The tv automatically switched to 3D "mode" when the movie was loaded into the blu-ray player. It was actually pretty easy to set up the glasses. We just pressed the power button on and held them near the tv, a 3Dbox indeed popped up in the lower right hand corner and we were good to go. At the end of the movie we just pressed the power button again and glasses shut off. And hubby and I are both new to this, it is our first tv that can do 3D so I really wasnt sure what to expect. OK, it was the first time we've actually watched a movie in 3D, I will confess to that biggrin.gif

Bought Jurassic park 3D for this weekends viewing pleasure. Should be interesting eek.gif

I havent been watching much regular broadcast tv so Im not certain how the 3D content works on regular programming. I did see in the manual that you can convert 2D to 3D content but I'm thinking that may not look as good as "dedicated" 3D (not sure if Im saying this correctly, sorry if Im not)
post #9946 of 12403
Like many others, I picked up an ST60 recently on news of Panasonic leaving the plasma business. Hooked up internet over wired connection and the TV auto-updated its firmware. I wanted to give it a quick shakedown before starting break-in slides. Everything works great except for the Amazon Instant Video app. It randomly crashes about 60% of the time at various screens. Sometimes it crashes on startup, kicking me back to the Lifestyle home screen. Other times I'll click the play movie button and it'll crash back to the home screen. No error displayed, just click the button and bam, home screen. This happened probably 15 times in 25 tries. I checked again for an update but my TV has the latest. Anyone else having this problem?
post #9947 of 12403
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Originally Posted by Digitude View Post

I haven't viewed any 3D media yet on my new 55ST60. Still waiting for my 3D DVD player. I'm a little fuzzy about the eyewear though. I registered each pair in accordance with the manual and a little eyeglass box popped up in the lower right side of the TV screen so I'm assuming the two glasses are now paired with the TV. The book implies that the glasses will automatically power on when a 3D program starts. Is this accurate? If so, will the glasses power off after the program stops? Not sure if I ever need to push the buttons on the glasses.

Also, while watching the evening national news I got an alert on my screen indicating 3D programming was detected. Then a swirly looking GE light bulb commercial came on. Do 3D programs or commercials just pop up on short notice? Should I holster my glasses for a quick draw? rolleyes.gif



I turned my 3D notification setting off in the Panny, it was popping up all the time and I'm assuming these are false alarms.
post #9948 of 12403
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Originally Posted by snidely View Post

A couple days ago saw that Panny was selling their $200 soundbar for half price - direct from Panny, free shipping. The specs seemed better than the Yamaha I tried several months ago and immediately took back, and the JBL, which I bought. The Panny soundbar seems to have all kinds of settings - which other bars I looked at just don't have.
The problem w. our JBL is the bass is overwhelming and is enough to shake the unit next door even when the volume is low. (This is used in a smallish condo unit.) Also, the "enhanced" bass often makes dialog on dramas hard to understand. The panels speakers are actually easier to understand.

Question: It just occurred to me I might have connection problems. I now connect the JBL via Toslink cable. I think this Panny has an optical connection as well - BUT - if I use the remote to control the Panny soundbar, it might use the same control "numbers" as the Panny plasma. Thus I'd be controlling both the soundbar and the panel speakers at the same time.
Does anyone here have the Panny soundbar?

I guess I could work around this by using an HDMI connection to the soundbar. How would this be done? I know I am dense and somehow the HDMI 2 (ARC) on the panel would be involved. I need help!!

Right know I can use the Comcast DVR remote to control the JBL soundbar. (Panel speakers are set to zero.) We only use plasa remote to "run" Netflix.

Snidely: I can answer on the HDMI connection to the soundbar but the JBL connection with toslink cable sounds complex and may require a smart remote. You can connect all your devices (bluray, cable box, etc.) to the soundbar controller using HDMI cables and then run another HDMI cable out from the controller's ARC port to the TV's ARC port.
post #9949 of 12403
Same experience with the 3d notifications
post #9950 of 12403
Just finished runnign the slides on the 60ST60 I got from Amazon. Noticing that the buzzing I heard with the slides going is not really going away. The buzzing in the back is considerably louder than the panasonic plasma it replaced. I can hear it from seated position 11' away when running the slides with contrast lowered or on quiet scenes. I am thinking about getting Amazon to take it back and bring a new one. What are the odds I will get a quieter set if I do this? Do not want to go through the hassle of returning for nothing. I do not notice th ebuzzing unless it is a quiet scene or I walk by the TV, but it is annoying. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
post #9951 of 12403
Mine is virtually silent
post #9952 of 12403
Just turned the ST60 on today and got a system update. Anyone know where to find the details regarding the patch?

*updated

Bummer looks like they just added wallpapers if this was October's patch.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57605552-221/panasonic-offers-home-screen-wallpapers-for-2013-tvs/#!
Edited by Chris Norfleet - 12/5/13 at 10:25am
post #9953 of 12403
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Originally Posted by Chris Norfleet View Post

Just turned the ST60 on today and got a system update. Anyone know where to find the details regarding the patch?

What version did you update to? Panasonic's website shows:
Version: 2.720
Issues Addressed: Home Screen Collection added
Release Date: 10/18/2013
post #9954 of 12403
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Originally Posted by kkirsche View Post

What version did you update to? Panasonic's website shows:
Version: 2.720
Issues Addressed: Home Screen Collection added
Release Date: 10/18/2013

The menu says its version 2727-10301
Whatever that means.
It would be nice if Panny released a change log along with updates.
post #9955 of 12403
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Originally Posted by kkirsche View Post

What version did you update to? Panasonic's website shows:
Version: 2.720
Issues Addressed: Home Screen Collection added
Release Date: 10/18/2013

There is a newer one that was released on 12/03.
post #9956 of 12403
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

There is a newer one that was released on 12/03.

That must be it... Any details?
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post #9958 of 12403
Hi everyone, like many others I grabbed an 60ST60 a few days ago before they were all gone. This replaces a 3 yr old 60" LG Plasma PK550 which unfortunately developed a faint vertical line down the center of the screen that my research has disclosed is likely panel defect related and therefore not worth repairing. While the LG remains 'watchable' I seized the opportunity to convince my wife that a replacement is certainly warranted due to my discriminating visual acuity smile.gif

I'm very pleased with this set but it's not without a few flaws... that I can likely live with. I managed to luck out on a near perfect panel. Outstanding uniformity, no pixel issues. The contrast and black levels of this set trounces my old LG which is not surprising. What is surprising is that the LG actually had better motion processing....fewer artifacts with more fluid motion when compared to the ST's 'off' motion setting. I have to set the LG to 'weak' motion setting for acceptable (barely) motion processing. I use the zoom on the Panny a lot particularly during its present break in hours. This setting is noticeably inferior to the similar setting on the LG both in terms of clarity, motion processing and scaling. I was quite shocked to see Panny lagging (literally) behind the LG on the issue of video processing. Which brings me to the other quirk I experienced. There is for me unquestionable lip sync video lag on this set particularly through HDMI (WDTV player hooked to Pioneer receiver through optical for sound, HDMI direct to TV). I tested the connections with both my other plasmas and no such issue was apparent with the other sets. The audio sync is much less pronounced (but still there) through my Scientific Atlanta STB going through component + coax audio. While I realize different people have varying sensitivity to this phenomenon I am one who is particularly bothered by it and find it distracting.

Fortunately, I performed a firmware update today to the 2727 firmware and can report that there appears to be some improvement over the lip sync lag through HDMI. I'm curious if any others have found this to be true. While (for me) it's still there, the improvement has made the problem much less distracting and almost tolerable.

I suppose I'm due for a receiver upgrade as my Pioneer is 7 yrs old, has no hdmi outputs or sound delay adjustment. Whether or not my wife will 'approve' that purchase right now is quite doubtful....she doesn't see the problem as much as I do; then again, the line defect on my LG plasma didn't bother her either biggrin.gif

In the final analysis I think this set is a keeper, just wish the above shortfalls can further be addressed by Panasonic through firmware updates.
post #9959 of 12403
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Originally Posted by fuzzione View Post

Hi everyone, like many others I grabbed an 60ST60 a few days ago before they were all gone. This replaces a 3 yr old 60" LG Plasma PK550 which unfortunately developed a faint vertical line down the center of the screen that my research has disclosed is likely panel defect related and therefore not worth repairing. While the LG remains 'watchable' I seized the opportunity to convince my wife that a replacement is certainly warranted due to my discriminating visual acuity smile.gif

I'm very pleased with this set but it's not without a few flaws... that I can likely live with. I managed to luck out on a near perfect panel. Outstanding uniformity, no pixel issues. The contrast and black levels of this set trounces my old LG which is not surprising. What is surprising is that the LG actually had better motion processing....fewer artifacts with more fluid motion when compared to the ST's 'off' motion setting. I have to set the LG to 'weak' motion processing for acceptable (barely) motion processing. I use the zoom on the Panny a lot particularly during its present break in hours. This setting is noticeably inferior to the similar setting on the LG both in terms of clarity, motion processing and scaling. I was quite shocked to see Panny lagging (literally) behind the LG on the issue of video processing. Which brings me to the other quirk I experienced. There is for me unquestionable lip sync video lag on this set particularly through HDMI (WDTV player hooked to Pioneer receiver through optical for sound, HDMI direct to TV). I tested the connections with both my other plasmas and no such issue was apparent with the other sets. The audio sync is much less pronounced (but still there) through my Scientific Atlanta STB going through component + coax audio. While I realize different people have varying sensitivity so this phenomenon I am one who is particularly bothered by it and find it distracting.

Fortunately, I performed a firmware update today to the 2727 firmware and can report that there appears to be some improvement over the lip sync lag through HDMI. I'm curious if any others have found this to be true. While (for me) it's still there, the improvement has made the problem much less distracting and almost tolerable.

I suppose I'm due for a receiver upgrade as my Pioneer is 7 yrs old, has no hdmi outputs or sound delay adjustment. Whether or not my wife will 'approve' that purchase right now is quite doubtful....she doesn't see the problem as much as I do; then again, the line defect on my LG plasma didn't bother her either biggrin.gif

In the final analysis I think this set is a keeper, just wish the above shortfalls can further be addressed by Panasonic through firmware updates.



First off congrats! I have the same exact panel as you with about 240 hours on it and I'm not experiencing any problems what so ever. No lip sync issues on DVD, BD or Comcast cable. I urge you to try HDMI and to adjust your settings in all equipment because this can make a big difference, as well as some hours on the panel. Best of luck!
post #9960 of 12403
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

The description just says Improve System Stability

http://panasonic.jp/support/global/cs/tv/download/fw/america_2013/down_na_02.html

Thanks for sharing this. I was looking on the product page in the shop under firmware. Sorry for the incorrect information
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