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post #481 of 1798
Sorry but paying five bucks a month for a DNS service to me is a ripoff. It should be free. I will stick with OpenDNS thank you. Although they do have pay plans really just for advanced server features there DNS service is free.
post #482 of 1798
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Originally Posted by reddice View Post

Also if 384 SD really is what Low/SD is then it is wrong as it looks as bad as some 80s commercials I downloaded at 320x240.

How is it "wrong"? "Example Short" says that 560 Kbps is 512x384 with 4:3 pixels; that's where the 384 comes from. Some titles still have 235-, 375- and 750 Kbps encodes but since "Example Short" doesn't (at least when played with DNS servers set to the Unblock-US ones) I don't know what the resolutions of those are; obviously lower than 512x384. All four of those bit rates displayed "Low/SD" in the past. (I just tried one of those titles and got "240 SD" and "288 SD" before "384 SD", so those must be the 235- and 375 Kbps encodes. After that I got "480 SD"--I think that both 750- and 1050 Kbps are 640x480 with 4:3 pixels).

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Originally Posted by reddice View Post

Sorry but paying five bucks a month for a DNS service to me is a ripoff. It should be free. I will stick with OpenDNS thank you. Although they do have pay plans really just for advanced server features there DNS service is free.

What people buy from Unblock-US is not just a DNS service, it's stuff that they can't get any other way. Like access to the Super HD and 3D Netflix video encodes when their ISP isn't signed up for Open Connect. Primarily it exists to give people in other countries access to Internet VOD services they can't get where they are, like the ability to get VUDU from Europe.

If you don't think that it delivers $5/month worth of usefulness then don't buy it (obviously you're not going to biggrin.gif), but some of us think that it's worth it, for the moment, even given the pain of using it.
Edited by michaeltscott - 2/13/13 at 11:08am
post #483 of 1798
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Originally Posted by synistr View Post

No, it gives the res, but I just noticed the change yesterday and I watched 2 titles and parts of one (all in 3D). On the 5800 it said 720P for all of them on the PS3. I havent done any SuperHD since the change yet but will try today.

How do you know that the 3D encode was 5800 Kbps? Netflix says that you need between 6000 Kbps and 12000 Kbps for 3D; if we apply the you-need-120%-as-much-bandwidth-to-keep-up rule, that'd mean that the encodes were between 5000 Kbps and 10000 Kbps (unless Netflix meant that the encodes were 6000- to 12000 Kbps, in which case you need 7200 to 14400 Kbps to get them). I'd expect that some of the lower bit rate 3D encodes are 720p.
post #484 of 1798
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

What people buy from Unblock-US is not just a DNS service, it's stuff that they can't get any other way. Like access to the Super HD and 3D Netflix video encodes when their ISP isn't signed up for Open Connect. Primarily it exists to give people in other countries access to Internet VOD services they can't get where they are, like the ability to get VUDU from Europe.

If you don't think that it delivers $5/month worth of usefulness then don't buy it (obviously you're not going to biggrin.gif), but some of us think that it's worth it.

and as a cord cutter in it allows me to watch NY market baseball with MLB.tv by bypassing blackouts and full access to BBC iplayer. definitely worth the $5 a month. the Super HD and 3d addition was just a bonus for me.
post #485 of 1798
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Originally Posted by jonny-zed View Post

1. Should it / does it make a difference where you change the DNS settings? So far I've only changed them in my BDP (Sony BDP-S590).

I changed it in my router because I have at least one Netflix device which doesn't have a setting for DNS server addresses (the Roku 2). Use of the Unblock-US DNS servers for everything else doesn't seem to effect anything. I tried changing it in my Panasonic DMP-BDT220 and it didn't make any different; when I tried setting it in my Sony BDP-S390 it wouldn't connect to the network.
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3. Does anyone have a rational explanation as to why you would sometimes have to disconnect/reconnect several times before you're able to access the 5800k content?

I haven't heard one. If your ISP is not signed up for access to Open Connect, you get Netflix from other CDNs that Netflix uses: Limelight, Akamai and Level 3. Only the Open Connect CDN servers (nflxvideo.net domain) have the Super HD and 3D encodes. You have to try multiple times because, using Unblock-US, you don't always get assigned Open Connect servers (except on TiVos and the Win8 Netflix app). I know this because I monitored what my devices were creating connections to with my router. I certainly hope that this isn't an issue for people whose ISPs are signed up for Open Connect; I strongly doubt it.
post #486 of 1798
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

When I tried setting it in my Sony BDP-S390 it wouldn't connect to the network.

Hmm. I had no issue with the 590. What were your other IP settings?

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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I haven't heard one. If your ISP is not signed up for access to Open Connect, you get Netflix from other CDNs that Netflix uses: Limelight, Akamai and Level 3. Only the Open Connect CDN servers (nflxvideo.net domain) have the Super HD and 3D encodes. You have to try multiple times because, using Unblock-US, you don't always get assigned Open Connect servers (except on TiVos and the Win8 Netflix app). I know this because I monitored what my devices were creating connections to with my router. I certainly hope that this isn't an issue for people whose ISPs are signed up for Open Connect; I strongly doubt it.

Agree. ISPs who are legitimately signed up with OpenConnect must be given all of the tools and information necessary to peer in such a way that service can remain consistent regardless of which servers reside within which CDN. Because theirs is almost certainly not a "legitimate" connection to OpenConnect, they do not have access to the same tools and info that Netflix shares with legitimate peering partners. As a result they have had to hack a solution, which does work to an extent but not consistently and with little predictability. I'm thinking that some of their server requests get routed to the wrong CDN and the results people are reporting would seem to bear this out.

Does anyone other than me suspect that in time, Netflix will get wise to this (that is if they haven't already) and figure out a way to block requests from Unblock-US servers or otherwise just jam up the service? I could also believe a lawsuit or at the very least a cease and desist might come at some time. I don't know much about Unblock-US but I do know that there's no such thing as free lunch.
post #487 of 1798
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

How do you know that the 3D encode was 5800 Kbps? Netflix says that you need between 6000 Kbps and 12000 Kbps for 3D; if we apply the you-need-120%-as-much-bandwidth-to-keep-up rule, that'd mean that the encodes were between 5000 Kbps and 10000 Kbps (unless Netflix meant that the encodes were 6000- to 12000 Kbps, in which case you need 7200 to 14400 Kbps to get them). I'd expect that some of the lower bit rate 3D encodes are 720p.

Oh, sorry, I am just saying what the Example Short shows. Which is 5800 for me but never shows any higher. Once it reaches 5800 thats when I go to 3D. Thats what I was saying.
post #488 of 1798
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Originally Posted by Aero 1 View Post

and as a cord cutter in it allows me to watch NY market baseball with MLB.tv by bypassing blackouts and full access to BBC iplayer. definitely worth the $5 a month. the Super HD and 3d addition was just a bonus for me.

Indeed. May I add I was going to purchase Flying Swords...3D BD for $19.99. Well, I watched it in 3D on NF, so now I dont need it. Not to mention access to content in other countries. Actually, thats the biggest value to me, the SuperHD and 3D are just bonus. Since signing up with Unblock, I have gotten much more than my $5 worth.
post #489 of 1798
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Originally Posted by jonny-zed View Post

Does anyone other than me suspect that in time, Netflix will get wise to this (that is if they haven't already) and figure out a way to block requests from Unblock-US servers or otherwise just jam up the service? I could also believe a lawsuit or at the very least a cease and desist might come at some time. I don't know much about Unblock-US but I do know that there's no such thing as free lunch.

People in other places around the world use Unblock-US to gain access to the US Netflix library which contains titles which Netflix isn't licensed to give them access to in their countries. This has been going on for years and Netflix hasn't done anything about it yet, if there's anything for them to do about it. Unblock-US the company is in Canada (I think), so there's nothing they can do using applicable US law, if any exists. Personally I doubt that the law has been able to keep pace with potential abuses of the Internet.

If it they get stopped then I'll cancel my subscription. No BFD.
post #490 of 1798
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Originally Posted by synistr View Post

Oh, sorry, I am just saying what the Example Short shows. Which is 5800 for me but never shows any higher. Once it reaches 5800 thats when I go to 3D. Thats what I was saying.

That's just an indication that your player has been connected to the right servers for you to get Super HD and 3D encodes from (apparently "Example Short" is listed as a 3D title, but nobody's been able to get it to play as one). It doesn't indicate what bit rate or resolution you're getting when you play a title.
post #491 of 1798
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Netflix says that you need between 6000 Kbps and 12000 Kbps for 3D;

I'd expect that some of the lower bit rate 3D encodes are 720p.

Folks should be aware that Neflix is most likely using Side by Side and/or Top-Bottom 3D. Both are ½ vertical resolution formats. AFAIK, only Blu-ray offers full vertical resolution 3D in a field sequential format and requires up to 60 mbps for the video data rate.
post #492 of 1798
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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland View Post

Folks should be aware that Neflix is most likely using Side by Side and/or Top-Bottom 3D. Both are ½ vertical resolution formats. AFAIK, only Blu-ray offers full vertical resolution 3D in a field sequential format and requires up to 60 mbps for the video data rate.

I should think that would be evident to the people using it. synistr, aaronwt--what variety of 3D are you getting from Netflix?

EDIT: Searching around I can't find any technical review of Netflix 3D on the net. Weird; I'd have thought at least a few tech bloggers would have had Open Connect access through their ISPs and that they would have been all over it.
Edited by michaeltscott - 2/13/13 at 1:11pm
post #493 of 1798
Why is it that Example Short 23.976 only plays if you have Super HD?
post #494 of 1798
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Originally Posted by GGA View Post

Why is it that Example Short 23.976 only plays if you have Super HD?


I have open connect with Cablevision, but many of my devices are not capable of Super HD and short 23.976 works on all of them.



Ian
post #495 of 1798
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Originally Posted by GGA View Post

Why is it that Example Short 23.976 only plays if you have Super HD?

Unknown. I can't get it to play at all now if I switch back to Google Public DNS. Weirdness.

It is a handy indicator of whether you're assigned to Open Connect servers though smile.gif. Hopefully they don't "fix" it.
post #496 of 1798
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I should think that would be evident to the people using it. synistr, aaronwt--what variety of 3D are you getting from Netflix?

EDIT: Searching around I can't find any technical review of Netflix 3D on the net. Weird; I'd have thought at least a few tech bloggers would have had Open Connect access through their ISPs and that they would have been all over it.

A couple of times when I tried the 3D titles, the PS3 or my TV must not have communicated correctly because it showed up as a top/bottom image. I had to restart it and then the imgae looked correct for 3D. So based on that I guess it's a top/botttom 3D image. At least for the couple of times I saw that. I think it was Afican Wild and Scary Tales that I saw the top/bottom image.
post #497 of 1798
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Unknown. I can't get it to play at all now if I switch back to Google Public DNS. Weirdness.

It is a handy indicator of whether you're assigned to Open Connect servers though smile.gif. Hopefully they don't "fix" it.




Hmmm......very interesting......




Ian biggrin.gif
post #498 of 1798
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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland View Post

Folks should be aware that Neflix is most likely using Side by Side and/or Top-Bottom 3D. Both are ½ vertical resolution formats. AFAIK, only Blu-ray offers full vertical resolution 3D in a field sequential format and requires up to 60 mbps for the video data rate.

Top-Bottom 3D does reduce the vertical resolution, but Side-by-Side does not reduce vertical, it reduces the horizontal resolution.

Mike T
post #499 of 1798
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

A couple of times when I tried the 3D titles, the PS3 or my TV must not have communicated correctly because it showed up as a top/bottom image. I had to restart it and then the imgae looked correct for 3D. So based on that I guess it's a top/botttom 3D image. At least for the couple of times I saw that. I think it was Afican Wild and Scary Tales that I saw the top/bottom image.

So the PS3 apparently takes side-by-side and top-and-bottom and converts it into frame packing on the screen? So the maximum res would be 720p if it's using top-and-bottom.
post #500 of 1798
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Unknown. I can't get it to play at all now if I switch back to Google Public DNS. Weirdness.

It is a handy indicator of whether you're assigned to Open Connect servers though smile.gif. Hopefully they don't "fix" it.

I am also using Google DNS 8.8.8.8 just for the record.
post #501 of 1798
A guy in the Roku forums is saying that he can't get it using the DNS servers in his TWC system and he hasn't dicked around with Unblock-US. Something's apparently wrong with it. It'll suck if fixing it removes it as an indicator of whether you're getting Open Connect servers when using Unblock-US.
post #502 of 1798
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

A guy in the Roku forums is saying that he can't get it using the DNS servers in his TWC system and he hasn't dicked around with Unblock-US. Something's apparently wrong with it. It'll suck if fixing it removes it as an indicator of whether you're getting Open Connect servers when using Unblock-US.
Can't get what?confused.gif
post #503 of 1798
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Originally Posted by DaveFi View Post

Can't get what?confused.gif

See this.
post #504 of 1798
I see the whole thing as a bug. You should be able to connect to SuperHD servers without having to connect to the test clip first. You'd think eventually it will be fixed.
Either way, at least it works with a PC.
post #505 of 1798
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Originally Posted by DaveFi View Post

I see the whole thing as a bug. You should be able to connect to SuperHD servers without having to connect to the test clip first. You'd think eventually it will be fixed.
Either way, at least it works with a PC.

Well, yeah, it is a "bug" (I quote "bug" because you shouldn't be able to connect to those servers at all if your ISP isn't signed up to access Open Connect). You don't have to play "Example Short"--it's just a test. There's a possibility that you'll connected to Open Connect servers without testing first, but there's no way of knowing on most platforms.

It also always works (for me) on TiVo Premiere.
post #506 of 1798
Ha love this forum. I was thinking Netflix was down when the example wouldn't play.
post #507 of 1798
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

So the PS3 apparently takes side-by-side and top-and-bottom and converts it into frame packing on the screen? So the maximum res would be 720p if it's using top-and-bottom.

That makes sense then. I tried several 3D titles tonight and they all showed as 720 HD on the PS3 info screen. And my TV also showed it as 720P 3D HD on the TV info screen. So I guess the PS3 is not upscaling it to 1080P like it does with the 2D content.
post #508 of 1798
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

A guy in the Roku forums is saying that he can't get it using the DNS servers in his TWC system and he hasn't dicked around with Unblock-US. Something's apparently wrong with it. It'll suck if fixing it removes it as an indicator of whether you're getting Open Connect servers when using Unblock-US.

Something weird is going on with my Roku2 XD. It is not showing my Netflix streaming queue. It does show my recently watched, top 10, popular etc. but for some reason it's not showing the titles in my queue. I need to check out my Roku2 XS and see if it is also doing the same thing.

EDIT: well that is weird. My Roku2 XS is showing the instant queue. But the Roku2 XD is only showing the search at the top. It won't let me go above that which is where the queue is supposed to be. I guess I need to try rebooting it.

EDIT: The reboot fixed it
Edited by aaronwt - 2/13/13 at 6:55pm
post #509 of 1798
It's really interesting how different the US and Canadian Netflix catalogs are. While the US catalog has much more content (most notably TV shows), the Canadian one has some really top-flight major motion pictures as well as some interesting TV series (Justified, Fringe, The 4400, etc) which the US catalog doesn't have. I guess it's worth the extra $5 month to get SuperHD + both catalogs (at least until the novelty wears off biggrin.gif).
Edited by DaveFi - 2/13/13 at 9:49pm
post #510 of 1798
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Originally Posted by jonny-zed View Post


Does anyone other than me suspect that in time, Netflix will get wise to this (that is if they haven't already) and figure out a way to block requests from Unblock-US servers or otherwise just jam up the service? I could also believe a lawsuit or at the very least a cease and desist might come at some time. I don't know much about Unblock-US but I do know that there's no such thing as free lunch.

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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

People in other places around the world use Unblock-US to gain access to the US Netflix library which contains titles which Netflix isn't licensed to give them access to in their countries. This has been going on for years and Netflix hasn't done anything about it yet, if there's anything for them to do about it. Unblock-US the company is in Canada (I think), so there's nothing they can do using applicable US law, if any exists. Personally I doubt that the law has been able to keep pace with potential abuses of the Internet.

If it they get stopped then I'll cancel my subscription. No BFD.

Actually isn't this what Netflix wants - people connecting to their Open Connect Servers. I see no reason why they would block access.

Likewise they can just turn a blind eye to people accessing content from other countries. Netflix (hopefully) wants happy subscribers and has no reason to stop this.

That said I suspect the traffic through unblock-us will be a tiny fraction of their overall traffic so I doubt they really care one way or the other.
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