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post #931 of 1259
3/20/13 at 1:44pm
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Originally Posted by Westly-C View Post

Amazon operates in the UK, and offers Lovefilm, which duplicates the pay per view, digital sales, and monthly 'Lovefilm Instant' services for UK subscribers, that we see here in the States-plus dvds by mail too.

So it's similar to Netflix, with one monthly price for all-you-can-watch streaming, one for disc rental by mail and a price for both services combined. The differences from Netflix being that there are also rental streaming titles and a game discs by mail option.

Here Amazon does not rent discs. The all-you-can-watch streaming, called Amazon Prime Instant Video, is an adjunct feature of the Amazon Prime program, which has an $80/year price and includes some free-to-borrow novels for Kindles (no more than one per month). Its original and principal feature is no-additional-charge 2-day shipping; all the rest (IMO) is just inducement for you to join and get that shipping, which will probably increase the amount that you spend buying merchandise from Amazon (many apparently lower e-tail prices turn out to be not lower than Amazon when you add 5-8 business day shipping). Amazon also has rental video titles which are not free for Prime members.
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post #932 of 1259
3/20/13 at 1:45pm
You can rent games from Netflix?
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post #933 of 1259
3/20/13 at 1:46pm
You can rent games from Netflix?
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post #934 of 1259
3/20/13 at 3:07pm

^^No game rentals at Netflix. They were considering it, but decided against adding them.

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post #935 of 1259
3/20/13 at 3:17pm
UK Amazon's Lovefilm have only had HD streaming for a fairly short time and there is no 5.1 audio, so in my view, inferior to Netflix. I used to rent bluerays from Lovefilm (same price as DVD rental). It was £10 per month for 2 discs at home at any one time. The streaming was included free of charge with that plan, so hard to complain about the lack of HD and 5.1 audio. But if all you want is streaming, then Netflix is better in my view, especially when combined with Unblockus.
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post #936 of 1259
3/20/13 at 3:46pm
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Originally Posted by Westly-C View Post

^^No game rentals at Netflix. They were considering it, but decided against adding them.
If the rates would have been anything like their movies. I'd be all over that. Netflix actually saves me a ton of money compared to me renting everything I watch.
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post #937 of 1259
3/20/13 at 4:05pm
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

You can rent games from Netflix?
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

The differences from Netflix being that there are also rental streaming titles and a game discs by mail option.

I started the previous sentence with "it's similar to Netflix"; Lovefilms' rental streams and game discs are the dissimilarities. Lovefilms appears to add game rentals to the 2-discs-out-at-a-time+streaming plan for £1.23 ($1.86 at today's exchange rate). I assume that the game discs constitute discs that you have out, so one game and one bd or two games or two bds. That assumption could be wrong.
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post #938 of 1259
3/20/13 at 5:28pm
I'd be willing to use that service if they were to offer it.
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post #939 of 1259
3/20/13 at 6:14pm
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

I'd be willing to use that service if they were to offer it.

Check out Gamefly.
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post #940 of 1259
3/20/13 at 10:56pm
Don't they charge quite a bit? Like $15 a month or something.
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post #941 of 1259
3/22/13 at 7:12pm
So I'm using a Roku 2 and playing the Example Short 23.97(something like that). My bit rate never changes once it starts playing. And it's usually around 1M.

However, when I play regular content it looks good. Is there something odd with the Example clip or just the Roku in general?
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post #942 of 1259
3/22/13 at 8:29pm
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Originally Posted by Bai Shen View Post

So I'm using a Roku 2 and playing the Example Short 23.97(something like that). My bit rate never changes once it starts playing. And it's usually around 1M.

However, when I play regular content it looks good. Is there something odd with the Example clip or just the Roku in general?

The 1750 Kbps maximum standard def (480x720) video encode can look pretty decent. I don't know that I think that it's likely that the bit rate you're getting when playing "Example Short" would be limited while playing a title wouldn't. It's a pity that we can't tell with the Roku (the PS3, Sony BDPs, WD TV Live and some other platforms have a PQ level indicator that you can bring up).
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post #943 of 1259
3/22/13 at 8:42pm
Have any of the Sony BDP players been updated like the PS3 to show 720P and 1080P on the overlay? I picked up a Sony BDP-S5100 today and it is still showing High HD, etc. on the overlay instead of the resolution like the PS3 now shows.
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post #944 of 1259
3/22/13 at 9:39pm
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Have any of the Sony BDP players been updated like the PS3 to show 720P and 1080P on the overlay? I picked up a Sony BDP-S5100 today and it is still showing High HD, etc. on the overlay instead of the resolution like the PS3 now shows.

In addition to my PS3, my S390 and WD TV Live have that same display and neither of them have been updated to display the new picture quality level names.
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post #945 of 1259
3/23/13 at 7:38am
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

The 1750 Kbps maximum standard def (480x720) video encode can look pretty decent. I don't know that I think that it's likely that the bit rate you're getting when playing "Example Short" would be limited while playing a title wouldn't. It's a pity that we can't tell with the Roku (the PS3, Sony BDPs, WD TV Live and some other platforms have a PQ level indicator that you can bring up).

I'm pretty sure I'm getting a much better signal in shows than with the example. They can look really clear. Also, I've seen the example go as high as 3M, but it's usually 1050 or 1750.

I checked some of the other examples but none of them displayed the bit rate. Is this the only example that does?
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post #946 of 1259
3/23/13 at 7:57am
Just curious, but has anybody with Open Connect (through their ISP) compared Super HD with Vudu's HDX? I realize there is a difference in the data compression scheme, but I was wondering as to how it translates into actual picture quality. Thanks.




Ian
Edited by mailiang - 3/24/13 at 10:16am
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post #947 of 1259
3/23/13 at 11:50am
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Originally Posted by Bai Shen View Post

I checked some of the other examples but none of them displayed the bit rate. Is this the only example that does?

Unfortunately no. "Example 8 Hour 23.976" used to but doesn't anymore; it was just the 11 minute 10 second clip displayed over and over. Not being able to tell what I'm seeing on most players is part of the reason why I bought the WD TV Live (probably a major part biggrin.gif); its Netflix player can tell me approximately what encode I'm looking at (in a stream info display like this) and I really like that. My PS3 and Sony BDP-S390 can also, but the PS3 is a noisy power hog and the S390 is irksome to use. I think that it should be a requirement for all Netflix players.
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post #948 of 1259
3/24/13 at 3:28pm
Have a question and am wondering if anybody else is experiencing the same thing. I was watching a tv show last night and before I played it, it said "HD". When that show as over and I went to select the next episode, "super hd" popped up. It's on every single movie and program for me that was originally in HD. The issue is that when I start up my PS3 and use netflix, there is no superhd. It just says hd. Then I go to netflix's website and it says my ISP doesn't support super hd. I have a Samsung PN60E6500 and am using the TV's netflix app. That's the one that keeps saying everything is super hd. Not sure why it's saying that if I don't have it
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post #949 of 1259
3/24/13 at 3:38pm
I think that Netflix just changed the captions on the HD movies for everyone regardless of whether you have it or not?
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post #950 of 1259
3/24/13 at 4:21pm
Hoping Mike can chime in. Just some observations. I have a PS3 (original piano black). My friend has PS3 slim. Everything in the diagnostic screen is the same except for the UI version. His PS3 still shows the old X-High/HD while mine displays 1080 HD, 1080 Super HD, etc...in the indicator. As I have stated here before, in the Canada region, the best I can get is 720p, if I am lucky. Also, I CANNOT play any title in 3D except for in the U.S. region. My friend can play 3D in different regions. Also, his NF allows him to queue titles in other regions. (there is an option for "add to your list" as opposed to "add to your queue") Also, he has ran across titles that do not have a 3D badge but once he plays for a certain amount of minutes, a 3D notifier pops up and gives him the option. Then it plays in 3D. EVERY single version of NF is different, unless the device is exactly the same. My Roku has options to turn off subtitles in all regions. I also have NF on my Panny plasma, that one is the one I use the least so havent noticed any differences yet.
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post #951 of 1259
3/24/13 at 4:45pm
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Originally Posted by lujan View Post

I think that Netflix just changed the captions on the HD movies for everyone regardless of whether you have it or not?

That's where my confusion is. The PS3 should say super hd as well if that's the case. It's only the Tv's Netflix app that's listing stuff as super hd
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post #952 of 1259
3/24/13 at 6:12pm
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Originally Posted by General PattOwn View Post

Have a question and am wondering if anybody else is experiencing the same thing. I was watching a tv show last night and before I played it, it said "HD". When that show as over and I went to select the next episode, "super hd" popped up. It's on every single movie and program for me that was originally in HD. The issue is that when I start up my PS3 and use netflix, there is no superhd. It just says hd. Then I go to netflix's website and it says my ISP doesn't support super hd. I have a Samsung PN60E6500 and am using the TV's netflix app. That's the one that keeps saying everything is super hd. Not sure why it's saying that if I don't have it
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I think that Netflix just changed the captions on the HD movies for everyone regardless of whether you have it or not?

Nah--there are just some devices which show which titles are Super HD whether you have access to those video encodes or not. Some people who were beta testing the new Roku interface on their Roku 2s reported that Netflix title descriptions said Super HD when their ISPs did not support it and someone in some other thread somewhere was saying that their Panasonic TV was displaying the Super HD logos while the Netflix player in his BDP was not. It seems like a cruel taunt to those AV-ophiles who're pissed off that their ISP isn't set up for Super HD access. (The jury is still out on how much better the Super HD encodes are; some people with very large screens are claiming that they can see the difference but I want objective proof).
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post #953 of 1259
3/24/13 at 7:05pm
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Originally Posted by synistr View Post

Hoping Mike can chime in. Just some observations. I have a PS3 (original piano black). My friend has PS3 slim. Everything in the diagnostic screen is the same except for the UI version. His PS3 still shows the old X-High/HD while mine displays 1080 HD, 1080 Super HD, etc...in the indicator. As I have stated here before, in the Canada region, the best I can get is 720p, if I am lucky. Also, I CANNOT play any title in 3D except for in the U.S. region. My friend can play 3D in different regions. Also, his NF allows him to queue titles in other regions. (there is an option for "add to your list" as opposed to "add to your queue") Also, he has ran across titles that do not have a 3D badge but once he plays for a certain amount of minutes, a 3D notifier pops up and gives him the option. Then it plays in 3D. EVERY single version of NF is different, unless the device is exactly the same. My Roku has options to turn off subtitles in all regions. I also have NF on my Panny plasma, that one is the one I use the least so havent noticed any differences yet.

Interesting. Your friend has a very special version of the Netflix player in his PS3. It may be an experimental version they've created for supporting a form of the Instant Queue in non-US regions. Maybe instead of Instant Queue they're calling it the Instant List.

I'm not sure that every device has a completely different version of Netflix or not. Some are obviously different; the Xbox 360's and Roku's are very different from each other and the PS3-style one. In most of my devices with the PS3-style interface control is almost exactly the same (PS3, Panasonic BDT220 and BDT110, Sony BDP-S390, WD TV Live and TiVo Premiere) . In the PS3, S390 and WD TV Live you can display the stream status overlay and turn subtitles on and off with a key. In the PS3, you get to Search by pressing the TRIANGLE button and to Just for Kids by pressing SELECT; in the S390 and TV Live's interfaces there are buttons at the top for Search and Just for Kids. The TiVo's UI doesn't have Just for Kids or people search or advance-by-three with FF and REW. There are small cosmetic differences, with TiVo having the largest poster thumbs and PS3 having the smallest (having not checked the S390).
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post #954 of 1259
3/24/13 at 8:55pm
I like it that the Roku Netflix interface shows Super HD when even though my ISP does not support it because then I can tell a 1080p title from a 720p. Even though some shows I watched like "The Rockford Files" and "Murder She Wrote" all the episodes say Super HD but several of them sure look like 480p to me while others are 1080p.
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post #955 of 1259
3/24/13 at 9:33pm
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I like it that the Roku Netflix interface shows Super HD when even though my ISP does not support it because then I can tell a 1080p title from a 720p. Even though some shows I watched like "The Rockford Files" and "Murder She Wrote" all the episodes say Super HD but several of them sure look like 480p to me while others are 1080p.

That's an advantage that I'd forgotten about. There are some HD titles which are limited to 720p, usually big theatrical release things like Thor, Captain America, True Grit and Super 8. Most of them don't have 5.1 sound and they can't be played in HD at all in the web player or the Win8 Netflix app (their Netflix web site descriptions will say "Available in HD on your TV" instead of just "Available in HD"). I think that their IP owners are reserving the best presentation of them for people who pay more to see them. If your Netflix UI has Super HD indicators then you can tell which are the 720p-only ones because they'll all just say "HD".

I'd like for the Roku Netflix player to say "Super HD" (and 5.1) on the description which pops up as you scroll through the poster thumbs in the browser. Right now it still says only "HD" and you have to drill down into the titles dialog to see "Super HD". In the PS3-style UIs you can see it at a glance as you scroll through.
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post #956 of 1259
3/24/13 at 10:37pm
Looks like 3d is not supported using a browser with Windows 7.
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post #957 of 1259
3/25/13 at 12:09am
Thanks for clearing that up. I figured that was the issue, but wasn't 100% sure. I would love a little extra PQ (although its plenty good enough for now) and its just taunting me by being there lol. Very irritating that some people have it and some people don't. Hopefully more ISP's will jump on board. Would also be nice if they increased audio quality
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post #958 of 1259
3/25/13 at 6:42am
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Interesting. Your friend has a very special version of the Netflix player in his PS3. It may be an experimental version they've created for supporting a form of the Instant Queue in non-US regions. Maybe instead of Instant Queue they're calling it the Instant List.

I'm not sure that every device has a completely different version of Netflix or not. Some are obviously different; the Xbox 360's and Roku's are very different from each other and the PS3-style one. In most of my devices with the PS3-style interface control is almost exactly the same (PS3, Panasonic BDT220 and BDT110, Sony BDP-S390, WD TV Live and TiVo Premiere) . In the PS3, S390 and WD TV Live you can display the stream status overlay and turn subtitles on and off with a key. In the PS3, you get to Search by pressing the TRIANGLE button and to Just for Kids by pressing SELECT; in the S390 and TV Live's interfaces there are buttons at the top for Search and Just for Kids. The TiVo's UI doesn't have Just for Kids or people search or advance-by-three with FF and REW. There are small cosmetic differences, with TiVo having the largest poster thumbs and PS3 having the smallest (having not checked the S390).

I will get his NF version info and post it along with mine. I think that would be a good idea for some of us to post our version info here along with any differences we may notice. As you know....a person can come on here and say, "well, my NF does or doesnt do this." or "I am having this issue..." and we tend to think all NF versions are the same. We offer insight and advice basing our thinking on this...when in fact the difference in our app versions can cause NF to show different features and traits. I do believe every device is different, if only slightly (such as difference in UI versions), unless it is the exact same device and build type. As you stated we may not notice subtle differences unless looking for them as the PS3 style interface is "almost" exactly the same.
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post #959 of 1259
3/25/13 at 6:45am
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I like it that the Roku Netflix interface shows Super HD when even though my ISP does not support it because then I can tell a 1080p title from a 720p. Even though some shows I watched like "The Rockford Files" and "Murder She Wrote" all the episodes say Super HD but several of them sure look like 480p to me while others are 1080p.

I didnt know that. Mainly because when searching through titles I am connected to Unblock. I will bypass Unblock and look for the Super HD badge. Interesting.
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post #960 of 1259
3/25/13 at 9:05am
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I'd like for the Roku Netflix player to say "Super HD" (and 5.1) on the description which pops up as you scroll through the poster thumbs in the browser. Right now it still says only "HD" and you have to drill down into the titles dialog to see "Super HD". In the PS3-style UIs you can see it at a glance as you scroll through.

You would think that they would of though of that when they designed the new interface, currently available on the Roku 3.



Ian
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