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post #181 of 2898
My s3100 is going back to best buy.

I'm going to try out the panasonic DMP-BD89 whenever that hits store shelves.
post #182 of 2898
Hi Guys,

i want to get a bdp and i cant decide between the 185 and 1100. which one should i get? the 1100 is more or less the successor of the 185 right?
post #183 of 2898
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Originally Posted by Dark_Planet View Post

My s3100 is going back to best buy.

I'm going to try out the panasonic DMP-BD89 whenever that hits store shelves.

What did you not like about the S3100?
post #184 of 2898
Just purchased a new Samsung plasma with built in wifi, 3D, etc., and about to purchase my first blu-ray player. Down to the S590 and S5100. Obviously a price difference...so should I spend extra for 5100 or go with 590. Not engaged enough to know all the specifics on what I want (yes I did read the rest of the thread), and loading time was the only thing that jumped out at me. Thoughts? Thanks in advance.
post #185 of 2898
Anyone have an idea if any of these players come with internal memory or not? I've currently got a 590 that I'm considering moving to the bedroom and replacing with a 5100. With the 590 I've got a small USB drive plugged into the back to be used for BDLive storage (even though it rarely works properly. Very often discs will still complain about there being no storage available... even though the drive shows up in the XMB). It would be nice not to have to deal with that again.

Thanks.
post #186 of 2898
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Originally Posted by tmeader View Post

Anyone have an idea if any of these players come with internal memory or not? I've currently got a 590 that I'm considering moving to the bedroom and replacing with a 5100. With the 590 I've got a small USB drive plugged into the back to be used for BDLive storage (even though it rarely works properly. Very often discs will still complain about there being no storage available... even though the drive shows up in the XMB). It would be nice not to have to deal with that again.

Thanks.
None of them do. However, I haven't used BD-live in years, nor have I ever plugged in any external memory and have never had a problem.
post #187 of 2898
These current model Sony players do not have internal memory
post #188 of 2898
Yes, the manual for the S5100 says you need a USB drive for the BD-Live. This is another reason I'm getting the S5100 over the Panny BD230. The new Panny can only use the front USB port for BD-Live storage while the back can only be used for a camera. I plan on using the back USB port on the Sony S5100 . The Panny BDT220 could use an SD card but supposedly the new BDT230 can only use USB.

At one time most BD players included the 1GB of storage for BD-Live. But I guess they did away with it to save money and also because the feature is not used by alot of people.
post #189 of 2898
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

What did you not like about the S3100?

I felt that there wasn't much improved coming from my s590 they both preform about the same.

And the remote still sucks its feels cheap and makes plastic squeaking noises and it has the same 2008 look and feel.

I hope the panasonic will preform better.

Oh and it still has the annoying prompt come up before netflix loads.

THE INTERNET IS NOW READY CLICK OK TO LOAD NETFLIX................What idiot at sony made users press ok before an app loads after you already click the app?

I wish I could afford an oppo because I'm sick of these light flimsy china quality players.
post #190 of 2898
Aren't OPPO players also made in China?
post #191 of 2898
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Dark_Planet View Post

My s3100 is going back to best buy.

I'm going to try out the panasonic DMP-BD89 whenever that hits store shelves.

Note the DMP-BD89 does not offer panasonics viera connect platform but a stripped down limited service known as "ip vod". You may want to get the BDT-230 or even the current BDT-220 depending on your requirements.
post #192 of 2898
out of the box the 5100 has a software update waiting for it.

I like how the 5100 handles the updates. it shows you a progress bar in % on the screen with XXXXXKB/XXXXXKB "download capacity".

It also boots up faster (to me) when you have the fast boot option on as opposed to the 790 in the other room.

the 5100 is a tiny little cuss isnt it. wink.gif
post #193 of 2898
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Originally Posted by Dark_Planet View Post

I felt that there wasn't much improved coming from my s590 they both preform about the same.

And the remote still sucks its feels cheap and makes plastic squeaking noises and it has the same 2008 look and feel.

I hope the panasonic will preform better.

Oh and it still has the annoying prompt come up before netflix loads.

THE INTERNET IS NOW READY CLICK OK TO LOAD NETFLIX................What idiot at sony made users press ok before an app loads after you already click the app?

I wish I could afford an oppo because I'm sick of these light flimsy china quality players.
I agree with everything you said. But I think you're making a bad assumption that because it has a cheap case and cheap buttons it has bad performance. True, they cut back on build quality with every generation to cut costs, but it's the inside that counts, and that part keeps getting better. Panasonic might be put together a little better, but it's so far behind sony in terms of features, it's not even on my radar anymore.

And while a killer remote would be great, I have to ask who with a home theater even uses the OEM remote? I haven't used an OEM remote for anything in at least 10 years. So even if sony's remote sucked, I would never have even noticed. Panasonic has had essentially the same confusing remote design they've had for years, although it's shrunk in size like sony. So if you're looking for a better remote, you'll have to look beyond panasonic. The one thing I do like better about panasonic is their devices are addressable, so you can independently control up to 3 of the same model with unique codes.

I think it's a mistake to get Panasonic's worst player, the BD89, and expect it to be any better than sony. I think you'll find that model to be spectacularly bad. You should at least go for a 220 or 230. And be aware that with panasonic, the Amazon app stinks, you get no stream quality info on Netflix, DLNA stinks and it has only a fraction of the streaming apps sony has. Those are the main reasons I switched from panasonic to sony last year after being a loyal panasonic customer since the 90's.

But I can't argue with you about that idiotic "THE INTERNET IS NOW READY" message. That's the single most annoying thing about these sony players. Just play the movie already!
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Aren't OPPO players also made in China?
I was amused to find out a few years ago that my cheap Insignia blu-ray player had exactly the same cheap, no-name Chinese disc drive as a top-of-the-line Oppo. Of course these days, "Chinese quality" doesn't mean what it used to, since nearly everything is made in China, both great quality and terrible quality stuff. But I can definitely see Dark_Planet's point. A $500 player is going to be better put together than a $100 player. Performance may not be much different, but the build quality will be. Personally I can live with a cheap case and cheap buttons that I never touch anyway.
Edited by mdavej - 3/15/13 at 7:34am
post #194 of 2898
Thread Starter 
^^ Just for folks reading this are aware this message ""THE INTERNET CONTENT IS NOW READY" message only occurs on a boot up if the player hasn't being used for a period of time. Once its done this initial authentication with Sony servers (basically authenticating that the player is ok to connect to Services offerred) the player will no longer prompt you each time you start a new online service. So long as the player remains on, or even if the player is switched off ... you are ok for a period of time.

It should be handled in the background without user interaction ... why they implemented it like this ... is anyone's guess.
Edited by apw2607 - 3/15/13 at 10:56am
post #195 of 2898
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Originally Posted by AC2011 View Post

Just ordered S5100 with points from my credit card rewards program. Gotta love FREE smile.gif Can hardly wait to get it, and hopefully start taking advantage of Netflix Super-HD for starters. Will be replacing a Samsung 3D player which works fine, but is a few model years older - will move this to the upstairs great room to be able to stream Netflix programs for the kiddies.

Lucky Canada. You guys get it before everyone else around the world !

Don't forget that the 790 is not available here wink.gif
post #196 of 2898
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

^^ Just for folks reading this are aware this message ""THE INTERNET CONTENT IS NOW READY" message only occurs on a boot up if the player hasn't being used for a period of time. Once its done this initial authentication with Sony servers (basically authenticating that the player is ok to connect to Services offerred) the player will no longer prompt you each time you start a new online service. So long as the player remains on, or even if the player is switched off ... you are ok for a period of time.

It should be handled in the background without user interaction ... why they implemented it like this ... is anyone's guess.

correct
post #197 of 2898
does anyone know if the 3100 will work with other media servers besides windows? I'm using PS3 media center with playstation but understand that wont work. Just saw that they use Homestream, there own version of Servio, not sure how that will work.
Thanks.
Edited by sam_canavo - 3/16/13 at 12:47pm
post #198 of 2898
Just got the BDP-S5100. Where is the bitstream setting? Audio setting only says pcm or auto. My receiver is not flagging the DTS MA Onkyo TX-NR808. Was working fine with my samsung BD player. Thanks.
post #199 of 2898
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Originally Posted by dds8198 View Post

Just got the BDP-S5100. Where is the bitstream setting? Audio setting only says pcm or auto. My receiver is not flagging the DTS MA Onkyo TX-NR808. Was working fine with my samsung BD player. Thanks.

In the audio settings, Digital Audio Output should be set to Auto
BD Audio Mix Setting should be set to Off.

Mix setting "on" changes to PCM. Primarily there for disc's with secondary audio like commentaries
BitStreaming won't allow for two audio tracks to play at the same time....they have to be "mixed" into a pcm stream.
post #200 of 2898
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Originally Posted by PioManiac View Post

In the audio settings, Digital Audio Output should be set to Auto
BD Audio Mix Setting should be set to Off.

Mix setting "on" changes to PCM. Primarily there for disc's with secondary audio like commentaries
BitStreaming won't allow for two audio tracks to play at the same time....they have to be "mixed" into a pcm stream.

Had it set to off. Still no dts ma flag. Just watched PI last night on the samsung player and it showed the dts ma flag, Tried with the sony and it is showing dts ex matrix.
Thanks
post #201 of 2898
Could this be because my projector is not 3D "optoma HD66" and my samsung BD player was not 3D?
post #202 of 2898
The S5100 is the only 3D capable component in my system,
Yamaha RX-V3900 AVR with two HDMI outs to a Pioneer Kuro plasma and Epson 1080UB projector.
Both work perfectly in 2D, 1080p/24 and up to 7.1 Bitstreamed HD audio.

Did you update the firmware right away?

Switching the mix setting to off was all I needed to get DTS-HD and TrueHD lit up on my AVR.
Edited by PioManiac - 3/16/13 at 4:46pm
post #203 of 2898
I hope BestBuy gets the S5100 soon. I looked again today but no luck. I was hoping to be able to mess around with it this weekend.
post #204 of 2898
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

I hope BestBuy gets the S5100 soon. I looked again today but no luck. I was hoping to be able to mess around with it this weekend.
This only happens very rarely. Being in Canada, we are used to always seeing the new products released in US that we couldn't buy for the next month, new models not available here etc. However, in the case of 5100, it has been available freely here for more than a week(may be 2). I even held one in my hand this afternoon at my local Best Buy. I am surprised, it is still not on the shelves there. I have a few too many blu ray players so I resisted myself.
post #205 of 2898
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Originally Posted by PioManiac View Post

The S5100 is the only 3D capable component in my system,
Yamaha RX-V3900 AVR with two HDMI outs to a Pioneer Kuro plasma and Epson 1080UB projector.
Both work perfectly in 2D, 1080p/24 and up to 7.1 Bitstreamed HD audio.

Did you update the firmware right away?

Switching the mix setting to off was all I needed to get DTS-HD and TrueHD lit up on my AVR.

Yes, I updated the firmware right after the setup. I had this same problem on my old panasonic 3d blu-ray player after I took the optoma 3d-xl box out of the loop. Bought the samsung non 3d blu-ray palyer worked fine, showed dts-ma on receiver when set to bitstream. Did not really care for the netflix on it so I returned it and bought the sony 5100, and I am having the same problem again. That's why I was thinking it has somthing to do with the 3d. Reset my receiver still no flag. Thanks for the help.
post #206 of 2898
Thanks for the help, Got the receiver to show the DTS-MA FLAG, Changed the tv setting from auto to 720p and it worked. Not sure why.
Thanks again..
post #207 of 2898
You have convinced me. It s going to be a 5100. Not Pansonic.

I already own the fantastic Sony 790.

How much better is the 790? Or is 5100 comparable in PQ?

The streaming of Netflix, vudu, hulu and amazon is very important - will I see any "improvements" compared to my old 790?

Last, footprints. Is this new 5100 smaller than 790?
(Thus, can I put it on top of my 790, to save space in my stereo rack).
post #208 of 2898
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Originally Posted by dryasanne View Post

You have convinced me. It s going to be a 5100. Not Pansonic.

I already own the fantastic Sony 790.

How much better is the 790? Or is 5100 comparable in PQ?

The streaming of Netflix, vudu, hulu and amazon is very important - will I see any "improvements" compared to my old 790?

Last, footprints. Is this new 5100 smaller than 790?
(Thus, can I put it on top of my 790, to save space in my stereo rack).

PQ will be the same. Analog AQ should be better with the 790 than the 5100 (the replacement for the 590). Out of curiosity, why do you need 2 BluRay players hooked up in your system? What you gain with the new models is faster loading speed and a web browser.
post #209 of 2898
I need 2. One is my old 790. And a brand new 5100 to play region A discs.

Both to stream netflix and vudu from sometimes slow wifi.


(Complicated - but when you are using an expensive remote such as Roomie, you have few choices ....).
post #210 of 2898
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by BillP View Post

PQ will be the same. Analog AQ should be better with the 790 than the 5100 (the replacement for the 590). Out of curiosity, why do you need 2 BluRay players hooked up in your system? What you gain with the new models is faster loading speed and a web browser.

Analog audio ? There are no analog audio outputs on the 5100.

The 790 has a web browser. The difference is that the 5100 is able to view some HTML 5 video content although its buggy and not very good.
Edited by apw2607 - 3/17/13 at 8:48am
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