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post #1951 of 2897
Sony never mentions mkv capability in any release notes. These are purely based on end user testing in this thread.
post #1952 of 2897
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

MPEG2 MKV files were not supported until a recently firmware update. It is possible that Sony didn't roll that capability into S3100 firmware at all. Most of confirmation that MPEG2 MKV support are on S5100 with a different firmware version.

Try remux the mkv file into m2ts file and see if that plays (it should) using TsMuxer tool.

mpeg2 mkv files do play on the 3100, it's the same firmware version as far as i know.
post #1953 of 2897
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

Sony never mentions mkv capability in any release notes. These are purely based on end user testing in this thread.

It's pretty amazing how compatibility with entire new file formats is added without even a cursory mention in the firmware update notes. FLAC playback went from not supported on the initial firmware to supported for all bitrates / sampling frequencies up to 24 bit / 192 kHz, as I discovered purely on accident.
post #1954 of 2897
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Originally Posted by Zaim View Post


Do you by any chance have the firmware update release notes/link to the download page?

I was going to get a 4100 to see if MKV playback is improved, my 490 doesn't like mkv's with HD audio inc dts.

 

 

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Originally Posted by MacinMan View Post


mpeg2 mkv files do play on the 3100, it's the same firmware version as far as i know.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post


MPEG2 MKV files were not supported until a recently firmware update. It is possible that Sony didn't roll that capability into S3100 firmware at all. Most of confirmation that MPEG2 MKV support are on S5100 with a different firmware version.

Try remux the mkv file into m2ts file and see if that plays (it should) using TsMuxer tool.

 

Thanks to all who showed interest. I found the issue. I did not realize that the usb icon shows up in more than one column. I was trying to navigate to my MKV files from the photo column not noticing that there was also a usb icon in the video and audio columns. The 3100 plays the MKVs perfectly with great chapter support. The dedicated subtitle button on the remote is also a treat.

post #1955 of 2897

Does anyone else hear a high pitched whine when you shut down your BDP 3100?

post #1956 of 2897
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Originally Posted by MacinMan View Post

mpeg2 mkv files do play on the 3100, it's the same firmware version as far as i know.

According to Sony's support site:
Latest version of firmware for 3100 is M14.R.0163
Latest version of firmware for 5100 is M15.R.0163

Both are released on the same date (9/25/2013).
post #1957 of 2897
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

MPEG2 MKV files were not supported until a recently firmware update. It is possible that Sony didn't roll that capability into S3100 firmware at all. Most of confirmation that MPEG2 MKV support are on S5100 with a different firmware version.

Try remux the mkv file into m2ts file and see if that plays (it should) using TsMuxer tool.

I tried with current firmware on the 5100 and mpeg2 MKVs are still supported. Also supported is LPCM audio with mpeg2 video in a MKV. Didn't realize that.
Edited by apw2607 - 12/4/13 at 7:42pm
post #1958 of 2897
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Originally Posted by BIslander View Post

There is not a quick answer.

Thanks for attempting to answer - it seems this is Sony's fault for making their settings so inscrutable. If it was clear what was happening, I wouldn't care as much. Regardless, as a impulse buy on Black Friday for a secondary system, I'm not concerned with its ability to decode lossless tracks - just wanted to make the most of the player.
post #1959 of 2897
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

According to Sony's support site:
Latest version of firmware for 3100 is M14.R.0163
Latest version of firmware for 5100 is M15.R.0163

Both are released on the same date (9/25/2013).

OK, I didn't notice the version number differences at first. I mainly was saying, I had tried an mkv with mpeg2 on the player when I got it, and it played. So unless sony changed something since then with the latest update i would say it still should work on this player as well.
post #1960 of 2897
Have you tried MKV's with DTS-HD audio ?
post #1961 of 2897
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Originally Posted by Zaim View Post

Have you tried MKV's with DTS-HD audio ?

I have no way to, i don't own a blu-ray drive that's able to connect to a computer. Also this laptop is in the health condition of if i try to do anything with it beyond basic stuff, it overheats and shuts off. Getting it reared at this point is not finically wise, or possible because it's going to cost more then what the computer is worth in value.

Late 2006 Macbook 2,1 first core 2 duo. Can only run up to Lion 10.7.5, and getting a new one isn't financially possible right now.
post #1962 of 2897
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Originally Posted by Zaim View Post

Have you tried MKV's with DTS-HD audio ?

It will either play fine or freeze up. Has been posted many times already.
post #1963 of 2897
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

It will either play fine or freeze up. Has been posted many times already.

Thanks, My BDP-S490 just refuses to play a lot of HD MKV's properly (can't forward/rewind etc), even if it has DD 5.1 audio. They play fine through my TV though (Sony W805)
post #1964 of 2897
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Originally Posted by SonyBDP3100 View Post
 

Does anyone else hear a high pitched whine when you shut down your BDP 3100?

 

Update: I hear the noise when I turn on the BDP 3100 and when I turn it off. It sounds like an old CRT television. Has anyone experienced this with their player?

post #1965 of 2897
I am looking at the S5100.

I have an old school Pioneer Elite 45TX and just got a Vizio M501. Here is my plan - let me know if this won't work.

I would like to send video only from the BDP to the tv via HDMI.
I would like to send audio only to receiver with coax/optical for 5.1 Dolby digital/DTS.

The receiver pre-dates HDMI/DTS-HD/DD-HD.

I have seen some posts about incompatibility audio wise with older receivers but not sure I understand them.

Thanks,
post #1966 of 2897
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Originally Posted by Chris Elm View Post

I am looking at the S5100.

I have an old school Pioneer Elite 45TX and just got a Vizio M501. Here is my plan - let me know if this won't work.

I would like to send video only from the BDP to the tv via HDMI.
I would like to send audio only to receiver with coax/optical for 5.1 Dolby digital/DTS.

The receiver pre-dates HDMI/DTS-HD/DD-HD.

I have seen some posts about incompatibility audio wise with older receivers but not sure I understand them.

Thanks,

Chris,

I just set up a S5100 with a Vizio M501 and an old school Sony STR-DB930. The setup is almost identical to what you are wanting to do, although only using 2 speakers in a stereo configuration. The only problem I found with the setup is Audio/Video synchronization. I attempted to synchronize them using the delay on the BDP-S5100, but it only appeared to effect the HDMI output, so no matter where I set it I couldn't get correct lip sync. The workaround was to use HDMI to the TV for both video and audio, then use the Vizio's optical audio output to the STR-DB930. That allows using the audio delay on the S5100 to correct the lip sync. However, I think the Vizio may downmix any Dolby Digital or DTS it receives on HDMI to 2 channel PCM before it outputs it on optical digital. I'd have to check that to be sure, and I probably won't be able to do that for a week or two. You'd still be able to use Dolby Pro-Logic II on your receiver even if that is the case.

So in other words it will work, but lip sync will likely be an issue and the way to correct the lip sync issue may not allow you to get 5.1 Dolby digital/DTS to your receiver.
post #1967 of 2897
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Originally Posted by SonyBDP3100 View Post

Update: I hear the noise when I turn on the BDP 3100 and when I turn it off. It sounds like an old CRT television. Has anyone experienced this with their player?

No I have not heard this on mine.
post #1968 of 2897
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Originally Posted by SonyBDP3100 View Post
 

 

Update: I hear the noise when I turn on the BDP 3100 and when I turn it off. It sounds like an old CRT television. Has anyone experienced this with their player?

 

 

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Originally Posted by abuhafsa View Post


No I have not heard this on mine.


Thank Abuhafsa. If a couple more people confirm that they're not hearing the noise, then I'll know I have a defective unit.

post #1969 of 2897
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Originally Posted by SonyBDP3100 View Post




Thank Abuhafsa. If a couple more people confirm that they're not hearing the noise, then I'll know I have a defective unit.


Have the S5100 for a couple of weeks and havent heard any noise when turning it on nor off, so far. I am still in the learning mode on the player as far as using the browser option, etc.
post #1970 of 2897
ive had the 5100 since launch and never hear any noise of that nature.
post #1971 of 2897
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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

Chris,

I just set up a S5100 with a Vizio M501 and an old school Sony STR-DB930. The setup is almost identical to what you are wanting to do, although only using 2 speakers in a stereo configuration. The only problem I found with the setup is Audio/Video synchronization. I attempted to synchronize them using the delay on the BDP-S5100, but it only appeared to effect the HDMI output, so no matter where I set it I couldn't get correct lip sync. The workaround was to use HDMI to the TV for both video and audio, then use the Vizio's optical audio output to the STR-DB930. That allows using the audio delay on the S5100 to correct the lip sync. However, I think the Vizio may downmix any Dolby Digital or DTS it receives on HDMI to 2 channel PCM before it outputs it on optical digital. I'd have to check that to be sure, and I probably won't be able to do that for a week or two. You'd still be able to use Dolby Pro-Logic II on your receiver even if that is the case.

So in other words it will work, but lip sync will likely be an issue and the way to correct the lip sync issue may not allow you to get 5.1 Dolby digital/DTS to your receiver.

Thanks for the input. Did some tests tonight and it appears that the VIZIO can send bitstream DD signals over optical back to receiver. I am having some lip sync issues on a few cable channels that I am trying to sort out.
post #1972 of 2897
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Originally Posted by zapper View Post


Have the S5100 for a couple of weeks and havent heard any noise when turning it on nor off, so far. I am still in the learning mode on the player as far as using the browser option, etc.

 

 

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Originally Posted by marctronixx View Post

ive had the 5100 since launch and never hear any noise of that nature.


Thanks for your contribution. I'm going to go ahead and exchange the unit. Its a good thing Amazon has a great policy.

post #1973 of 2897
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Originally Posted by Chris Elm View Post

Thanks for the input. Did some tests tonight and it appears that the VIZIO can send bitstream DD signals over optical back to receiver. I am having some lip sync issues on a few cable channels that I am trying to sort out.
But most BD discs are DTS-HD and there is no DD tracks on them. Most TVs won't accept DTS and pass it out even if it can accept DD.
post #1974 of 2897
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

But most BD discs are DTS-HD and there is no DD tracks on them. Most TVs won't accept DTS and pass it out even if it can accept DD.
I found this out the hard way. Best to stick with coax/optical direct from player to receiver if at all possible (since you don't have HDMI). Others have reported issues adjusting the delay on the coax out, but I have not encountered this on my player.
post #1975 of 2897

BDP-S3100 Customize Menu

I just hooked up my new BDP-S3100 and really like it.  Since I have several devices I am using a Harmony remote to control all of them - it works great.  One question though.

 

There is a shortcut button on the factory remote for Netflix and SET - is there a way to set a shortcut for Pandora or other apps - so I can set a button on my Harmony remote labled "Pandora" and it turns on the DVD player and automatically selects it from the menu?  I was able to do this for Netflix and SET.

 

thanks,

post #1976 of 2897
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Originally Posted by Chris Elm View Post

Thanks for the input. Did some tests tonight and it appears that the VIZIO can send bitstream DD signals over optical back to receiver. I am having some lip sync issues on a few cable channels that I am trying to sort out.

The Vizio definitely will output DD from its internal ATSC tuner on the optical, but I'm not certain it will pass DD through from an HDMI input to the optical output. Of course there is no DTS on OTA TV, and I'm not certain the Vizio will pass the DTS through either. I just didn't test specifically for this when I set it up. However I don't recall seeing anything but 2 channel indications on the receiver when playing blu-ray discs from the S5100 after we started using the optical from the TV. The receiver did clearly show 5.1 DD input when it was on OTA TV. I think there may a licensing limitation on HDMI (as a part of copy protection) that doesn't allow bitstream audio input to a TV from HDMI to be output without being converted to PCM.
post #1977 of 2897
So if my receiver will do dts but not the HD or MA tracks what should I set the S5100 on to make sure I have the best audio.. I want it at 7.1 or at least 5.1 when the other it not available.. And will this player output full 7.1 and 5.1 on the Digital or toslink out.
post #1978 of 2897
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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

The Vizio definitely will output DD from its internal ATSC tuner on the optical, but I'm not certain it will pass DD through from an HDMI input to the optical output. Of course there is no DTS on OTA TV, and I'm not certain the Vizio will pass the DTS through either. I just didn't test specifically for this when I set it up. However I don't recall seeing anything but 2 channel indications on the receiver when playing blu-ray discs from the S5100 after we started using the optical from the TV. The receiver did clearly show 5.1 DD input when it was on OTA TV. I think there may a licensing limitation on HDMI (as a part of copy protection) that doesn't allow bitstream audio input to a TV from HDMI to be output without being converted to PCM.

I was not using OTA broadcast; I was watching cable from Comcast box. The cable box -> TV via HDMI, TV -> receiver via optical still seemed to get bitstream discreet 5.1 DD back to the receiver (based on receiver indications). I will test this again using a DTS track from a Blu-Ray disc tonight.
post #1979 of 2897
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

But most BD discs are DTS-HD and there is no DD tracks on them. Most TVs won't accept DTS and pass it out even if it can accept DD.

And am I correct in understanding that the 5100 cannot send a DD signal through coax for my receiver to read 5.1?
Am I also correct in understanding that the 5100 CAN send a DTS signal through coax for my receiver to read 5.1?

Note I am not talking about Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD but the older 5.1 discreet channel formats as my receiver predates the newer HD mixes.
post #1980 of 2897
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Originally Posted by Chris Elm View Post

And am I correct in understanding that the 5100 cannot send a DD signal through coax for my receiver to read 5.1?
Am I also correct in understanding that the 5100 CAN send a DTS signal through coax for my receiver to read 5.1?

Note I am not talking about Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD but the older 5.1 discreet channel formats as my receiver predates the newer HD mixes.

Incorrect on the first thing, correct on the second. Coax is S/PDIF just like optical and carries the same things, including DD5.1 and DTS.
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