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Originally Posted by jmar1819 View Post

So I got home and I tried it out, but without success. I thought maybe the projector is the issue so I turned it off and suddenly the receiver begins to display DTS HD MA. I turned the projector back on and the receiver instantly switches back to PCM. So I try switching inputs on the projector, doesn't work. Then I try switching inputs on the receiver, doesn't work. I try the re-sync button on my projector, doesn't work. I tried switching the receiver from HDMI Amp to HDMI Thru, doesn't work. I tried using different HDMI cables, didn't work. If I switch sources the receiver again shows the DTS HD MA logo. So the projector seems to be the issue. Any ideas? Anyone?

Which projector?
HDMI handshaking issues seem to be a fairly common problem.
post #2282 of 2898
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Originally Posted by Cyrano View Post

Which projector?
HDMI handshaking issues seem to be a fairly common problem.
Optoma HD 20
post #2283 of 2898
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Originally Posted by jmar1819 View Post

Optoma HD 20

Have you tried using something else as the display device to rule out the HD20 as the problem?

Someone on the HD131Xe Thread I read is having problems related to his projector and HDMI. Although he is getting no picture. Anyway try another TV maybe and see.
post #2284 of 2898
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Originally Posted by Cyrano View Post

Have you tried using something else as the display device to rule out the HD20 as the problem?

Someone on the HD131Xe Thread I read is having problems related to his projector and HDMI. Although he is getting no picture. Anyway try another TV maybe and see.
I didn't try a different display but I brought my PS3 back in and hooked that back into the receiver and then went to the HDMI audio settings and tried the automatic setting only to get the "This HDMI device cannot be used for audio output" message. I then tried the manually setting and finally got a movie playing HD audio with the projector on. Should I look into a new HDMI cable that goes from the receiver to the projector?
post #2285 of 2898
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Originally Posted by jmar1819 View Post

I didn't try a different display but I brought my PS3 back in and hooked that back into the receiver and then went to the HDMI audio settings and tried the automatic setting only to get the "This HDMI device cannot be used for audio output" message. I then tried the manually setting and finally got a movie playing HD audio with the projector on. Should I look into a new HDMI cable that goes from the receiver to the projector?

Maybe. I don't know. I hear sometimes that cables are not that critical, but I would get a 1.4 HDMI cable to test it. Using a different display for a momentary test would deliver, possibly, a good deal of new information. It's just something I would try in order to learn more.

Good luck.

Here's some info about 1.4 and 1.3 cables. Maybe it's superfluous but I just ran into it so I thought I'd link it. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0035717MU/ref=mw_dp_mdsc?dsc=1

Again, many people say hdmi cables are not that much of a factor. But it doesn't cost much to test.
Edited by Cyrano - 1/20/14 at 7:03pm
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There's no such thing as an HDMI 1.4 cable. HDMI versions refer to the equipment, not to the cables. There are standard and high speed cables, with high speed recommended for 1080p video and 3D.
post #2287 of 2898
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Originally Posted by BIslander View Post

There's no such thing as an HDMI 1.4 cable. HDMI versions refer to the equipment, not to the cables. There are standard and high speed cables, with high speed recommended for 1080p video and 3D.

well, I know. It refers to equipment but... read the link. I think it is also semantics.

So if you have a 3D bluray player any HDMI cable will work? So the two categories are standard and high speed. There are some cables sold with the 1.3 and 1.4 designations in the descriptions. Probably for clarity.

I actually haven't had a cable fail yet. But I've never needed a long HDMI run.
Edited by Cyrano - 1/20/14 at 7:13pm
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HDMI.org.cracked down on the use of version numbers on cable labels and marketing because there is nothing about a cable that is needed for HDMI software features. If you read cable descriptions, you will find that they now usually say something about supporting HDMI 1.4 features, which is true since any cable does that.

A cable can go bad, of course, and may need to be replaced. But, don't go looking for a 1.4 cable because there's no such thing. Just get a high speed cable from a reliable vendor and you'll be good to go for any current application.

I read the link. It actually says 1.3 cables support all 1.4 features except for Ethernet, which is a feature not present in any consumer products. Of course, there's no such thing as a 1.3 cable either, although HDMI.org used to allow that in labeling.
Edited by BIslander - 1/21/14 at 4:15am
post #2289 of 2898
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Originally Posted by Cyrano View Post

Maybe. I don't know. I hear sometimes that cables are not that critical, but I would get a 1.4 HDMI cable to test it. Using a different display for a momentary test would deliver, possibly, a good deal of new information. It's just something I would try in order to learn more.

Good luck.

Here's some info about 1.4 and 1.3 cables. Maybe it's superfluous but I just ran into it so I thought I'd link it. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0035717MU/ref=mw_dp_mdsc?dsc=1

Again, many people say hdmi cables are not that much of a factor. But it doesn't cost much to test.
Tried a different display with same results.
post #2290 of 2898
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Originally Posted by BIslander View Post

HDMI.org.cracked down on the use of version numbers on cable labels and marketing because there is nothing about a cable that is needed for HDMI software features. If you read cable descriptions, you will find that they now usually say something about supporting HDMI 1.4 features, which is true since any cable does that.

A cable can go bad, of course, and may need to be replaced. But, don't go looking for a 1.4 cable because there's no such thing. Just get a high speed cable from a reliable vendor and you'll be good to go for any current application.

I read the link. It actually says 1.3 cables support all 1.4 features except for Ethernet, which is a feature not present in any consumer products. Of course, there's no such thing as a 1.3 cable either, although HDMI.org used slow that in labeling.

I know it took me a while to realize this slightly odd way of determining the correct cable to use. I have found as you say that any good cable gets the job done. The 3D part of it had me buying cables that claimed 3D compatability. But as it turns out I haven't found a cable yet that won't work.

Thanks for clarifying.
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Originally Posted by jmar1819 View Post

Tried a different display with same results.

Well, I was going to say bummer, but I don't know what you need to get the results you need. I hope somebody will be able to help you.

I don't think it could hurt to try other cables but the problems of HDMI seem are sometimes tough to solve.
I am a novice in this stuff. I know that handshaking and HDCP might be involved. I say might because I know little about this.
I know that often when I add something new to my mix of equipment on my HT I have to do some messing about with plugging things in and unplugging and replugging the power to pieces of gear. It does all work eventually. But logic does not always seem to be in charge.
Edited by Cyrano - 1/20/14 at 9:24pm
post #2292 of 2898
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Tried a different display with same results.
Sounds like a HDMI handshake issue. The PS3 said as much, as if the receiver was telling the BD player the projector's audio capabilities instead of its own. If you can't update the receiver's firmware, switch it out or ask in a Samsung BD thread if those players can override like your PS3 did.
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Originally Posted by BIslander View Post

It actually says 1.3 cables support all 1.4 features except for Ethernet, which is a feature not present in any consumer products. Of course, there's no such thing as a 1.3 cable either, although HDMI.org used slow that in labeling.

Ethernet capability is an additional feature of HDMI cables. There are now 4 categories of HDMI cables for home use. Standard, Standard with Ethernet, High Speed, and High Speed with Ethernet. There is one additional one for automotive use.
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Originally Posted by jmar1819 View Post

Tried a different display with same results.
Sounds like a HDMI handshake issue. The PS3 said as much, as if the receiver was telling the BD player the projector's audio capabilities instead of its own. If you can't update the receiver's firmware, switch it out or ask in a Samsung BD thread if those players can override like your PS3 did.

An alternative is to use an intermediary device like the Gefen HDMI Detective Plus. It provides its own EDID information, overriding the invalid information that the player has been detecting.
http://www.gefen.com/kvm/ext-hdmi-edidp.jsp?prod_id=8005
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When did the x100 Series get a pandora update? i just noticed pandora on my 3100 isn't the typical sony pandora interface anymore. I would say it looks more like the roku interface now. As does Hulu+
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

An alternative is to use an intermediary device like the Gefen HDMI Detective Plus. It provides its own EDID information, overriding the invalid information that the player has been detecting.
http://www.gefen.com/kvm/ext-hdmi-edidp.jsp?prod_id=8005

That thing costs more than his receiver smile.gif You are throwing good money after bad.
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You're comparing it to the wrong device. It's an alternative to replacing the projector with one which returns a valid EDID.

However, it also would be appropriate to go through the projector's own settings to make sure that it isn't configured as if it had its own internal speakers.
post #2298 of 2898
A normal AVR when configured to AMP mode (not pass through) will dis-regard any speaker configurations of connected TVs. It seems that his current AVR is not behaving properly. A EDID fix is not going to do much about that. It's the fault of AVR.
post #2299 of 2898
Would "rebooting" or resetting the AVR's defaults help? I know my Denon had a series of buttons to push and accomplish a reset. (Although my subwoofer output never did come back - bummer.)
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I have a similar handshaking issue where I can't get SACD audio via HDMI out of my BX510 regardless of my settings - unless my projector (BenQ 1070) is disconnected from my H-K AVR1700 Rceiver. I'll try the power on sequence idea - if that doesn't work I'll try a firmware update in my BenQ. I've already checked and there appears to be no available update to my receiver, and I just updated the BX510.

HDMI is great and horrible all at the same time.
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Originally Posted by IndyLions View Post

I have a similar handshaking issue where I can't get SACD audio via HDMI out of my BX510 regardless of my settings - unless my projector (BenQ 1070) is disconnected from my H-K AVR1700 Rceiver. I'll try the power on sequence idea - if that doesn't work I'll try a firmware update in my BenQ. I've already checked and there appears to be no available update to my receiver, and I just updated the BX510.

HDMI is great and horrible all at the same time.

Complete agreement.

HDMI seems to have given one kind of reliability at the cost of versatility. And from the evidence of many postings I've seen the reliability is not a certainty with some equipment. Even with claims of firmware and other updates, some current users shop around looking for gear that will all be friendly, and shake hands.
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Originally Posted by MacinMan View Post

When did the x100 Series get a pandora update? i just noticed pandora on my 3100 isn't the typical sony pandora interface anymore. I would say it looks more like the roku interface now. As does Hulu+

I think Pandora got updated sometime ago, but Hulu+ was only last week. If you are Hulu+ user perhaps you could share some screenshots and give you're impression of the new interface on the Sony BDP.
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There was a media update on the 3100 this morning, I wonder what got updated/added I didn't see any up front changes.
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Originally Posted by MacinMan View Post

There was a media update on the 3100 this morning, I wonder what got updated/added I didn't see any up front changes.

What is the version? When I check online it shows that firmware M14.R.0163 is the current one for the S3100 and firmware M15.R.0163 is current for the S5100. Both firmwares came out in September 2013.
post #2305 of 2898
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What is the version? When I check online it shows that firmware M14.R.0163 is the current one for the S3100 and firmware M15.R.0163 is current for the S5100. Both firmwares came out in September 2013.

I wasn't referring to firmware, I was referring to content update e.g. web content updates. E.G something like a streaming service got added or an update. I'm just not sure what
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I wasn't referring to firmware, I was referring to content update e.g. web content updates. E.G something like a streaming service got added or an update. I'm just not sure what

How do you figure out when that gets changed?
post #2307 of 2898
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How do you figure out when that gets changed?

there is an icon with stars that appears, i think the title is video content or something. you click on it and the list of services updates.
post #2308 of 2898
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Originally Posted by MacinMan View Post

there is an icon with stars that appears, i think the title is video content or something. you click on it and the list of services updates.

Thanks! I saw it on my S5100 in the video section. I selected it and it said it updated, but it didn't tell me what it updated.
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Thread Starter 
Hulu+ perhaps ?
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Picked up an S5100 last night.  So far, so good.  It's an upgrade to an older BDP-S350.  Hoping it'll see Spotify support soon, as that might allow me to get rid of the Roku box. 

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