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post #31 of 142
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Originally Posted by mlknez View Post

I just left the ces show floor for the day. The processor is an unannounced Intel media processor not a CE proc.
Native is source direct
Looks like summertime availability.

The folks in the Dune booth know about this thread and are watching it.

This is not an HTPC. What do you want a picture of?

How is it not an HTPC you are running 4gb of ram, an intel cpu, you already said its running xbmc, and already said its running mplayer for audio, everything about it screams HTPC and not a custom player/software. I could go put xbmc on my i3 box I just built for 350$ I will set external audio player to mplayer and it would function exactly how you described it, I will install powerdvd to give me my full iso support with cinavia, again how its described above and i will tell single file to play in mplayer and avoid cinavia on them

We need to know what is pushing the video is it straight software decode on the intel again HTPC is it GPU driven and if so what GPU is it using, Everything about it down to the details you gave sound just like a functioning HTPC setup, And again there is nothing wrong with that, If they found a way to bridge the gap and clean it up to where you dont have to pick external players then its a valuable option to consider.

And when you said intel Media all that says is its using the linux media sdk to push video to the hardware decoder being the current at HD Graphics 4000 on the recent intel models,

The interesting part being is the FULL bluray playback cinavia or not as to date there has been no free or pay option for it on linux and as far as i understand Bluray specs do not allow it because linux does not have the same secure channels as windows to output the video over hdmi , and the screenshot clearly shows its running on linux
post #32 of 142
I'd do it only if it will support the addons and plugins I currently use with my XBMC box.
post #33 of 142
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bluewhale1 View Post

No word of any sort of hqv processing on any of dunes new players?

No hqv
post #34 of 142
This sounds too good to be true...
post #35 of 142
Hey Dune, if your really watching these threads, just release the offical PR already!
post #36 of 142
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Originally Posted by mlknez View Post

I just left the ces show floor for the day. The processor is an unannounced Intel media processor not a CE proc.
Native is source direct
Looks like summertime availability.

The folks in the Dune booth know about this thread and are watching it.

This is not an HTPC. What do you want a picture of?

what do you mean "not a CE proc" ?

Is it something closer to the Atom CE5300 that intel annouced in Q1 2012 ? next gen of this 5300 but with 3D MVC abilities ? i think that there was a leak about the new bay trail processor form intel a few days ago, and those are doing MVC : http://www.pcworld.fr/images/zoom,1259923-intel-bay-trail-et-valleyview-fuite-janvier-2013-5.htm Baytrail D is targeted towards media players...
Edited by Mr Eric - 1/10/13 at 2:08am
post #37 of 142
XBMC is working on a software solution for BD Menus (so you don't require a license). This is believe is similar to the DVDFab player which supports full BR menus (although from what I heard it is rather buggy). I would guess this is how the Dune player would be able to play back BD ISOs will full menus (or is hoping to). However, I woudl assume this means that the disc will already need to be decrypted (i.e. a BD ROM drive would not be feasible)
post #38 of 142
xbmc solution for menus is considered as illegal in many countries because you need to break the encryption before being able to read the data. So i don't think (hope for them) that this is what they do...
post #39 of 142
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Originally Posted by Mr Eric View Post

xbmc solution for menus is considered as illegal in many countries because you need to break the encryption before being able to read the data. So i don't think (hope for them) that this is what they do...

How so if the disc is already unencrypted? This is what DVDFab is doing (not saying they are the best example)
post #40 of 142
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Originally Posted by Mr Eric View Post

xbmc solution for menus is considered as illegal in many countries because you need to break the encryption before being able to read the data. So i don't think (hope for them) that this is what they do...

My best guess is that they will implement separate applications for blu-ray and file playback. They also have different applications for this in the current players, as fas as I know. You can even choose between two different DVD-playback engines.

Another question is, whether this approach is in conflict with blu-ray licensing rules...
post #41 of 142
@dbone :

if you want to have it unencrypted you have 2 choices : 1. pay the BDA license and get a key 2.break the encryption (that's the DVDFab solution) then create your own tools to read the menu

1. is not possible for xbmc because it's open source. remember the VLC discussion we had a few weeks (months ?) ago ? that's the same problem. BDA/AACS don't want to give the key to VLC, even if they should for interoperability, because they're scared about the open source world. And VLC as an open source project can't use a proprietary/encrypted code.
2. is illegal, at least here in Europe (except luxembourg and norway i think) as we don't have any fair use like you can have in the US. if it's encrypted, you're not allowed to decrypt it except if you pay for the key (= pay for a licence = cinavia, always the same story).

not sure about the xbmc in-house solution they're working on, but i thought this was illegal as it was using the previously leaked "master key" for BD encryption systems (the one that open them all : BDJ/AACS...).
post #42 of 142
CES video :
post #43 of 142
if the HD BASE 3D has XBMC and bluray menus ill be all over that. Time to start saving
post #44 of 142
Does anyone know if the Dune Max HD 3D will have a iOS app that is similar to the PCH A-400? Not interested in just a remote app.
post #45 of 142
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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland View Post

Does anyone know if the Dune Max HD 3D will have a iOS app that is similar to the PCH A-400? Not interested in just a remote app.

Since the current models have as many as three different apps for iOS that are not just remotes I am sure you will see some for the new models.
post #46 of 142
they could also use the xbmc plugins like xbmcflix if that is still available.
How about pvr smile.gif
of course they would need a ota card addon

there are a lot of xbmc plugins..

did they have anything else at the show?
post #47 of 142
anyway, if it's running xbmc like a PC, there's already a bunch of xbmc apps that you could use.
post #48 of 142
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Originally Posted by Mr Eric View Post

@dbone :

if you want to have it unencrypted you have 2 choices : 1. pay the BDA license and get a key 2.break the encryption (that's the DVDFab solution) then create your own tools to read the menu

1. is not possible for xbmc because it's open source. remember the VLC discussion we had a few weeks (months ?) ago ? that's the same problem. BDA/AACS don't want to give the key to VLC, even if they should for interoperability, because they're scared about the open source world. And VLC as an open source project can't use a proprietary/encrypted code.
2. is illegal, at least here in Europe (except luxembourg and norway i think) as we don't have any fair use like you can have in the US. if it's encrypted, you're not allowed to decrypt it except if you pay for the key (= pay for a licence = cinavia, always the same story).

not sure about the xbmc in-house solution they're working on, but i thought this was illegal as it was using the previously leaked "master key" for BD encryption systems (the one that open them all : BDJ/AACS...).

I understand this. What I mean, you leave it up to the user to remove the encryption. It is not legal in the US as well, but many users do it with AnyDVD, DVDFab, MakeMKV, etc ... So all you need to do is have the Dune / XBMC set to play back unencrypted discs (up to the user to handle first). I believe this is no different then now. You could rip a disc with AnyDVD and keep the protection in tact, but then you wouldn't be able to play it on a player that doesn't support (like Mede8er). However, once the disc is unencrypted everything should be fair game.
post #49 of 142
I'm ready for a complete review of the Dune Max HD 3D from you dbone. smile.gif
post #50 of 142
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Originally Posted by fasterthanlight View Post

I'm ready for a complete review of the Dune Max HD 3D from you dbone. smile.gif

lol. PCH A400 review first, hopefully don't by the end of this weekend.

I do have a Dune post that i wanted to get up, maybe later today. I was waiting for some info to come out first which confirms what I had heard
post #51 of 142
I wonder how this will effect Yadis and Zappiti?
post #52 of 142
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Originally Posted by bluewhale1 View Post

I wonder how this will effect Yadis and Zappiti?

I would guess either yaDIS/Zappiti would need to be redeveloped for an intel SOC/platform
post #53 of 142
If it uses XBMC i would say its dead. XBMC has wonderful scrapers built in internally making outside scrapers useless.
post #54 of 142
What advantage would this have over an HTPC for the cost?. I can think of plenty of reasons to go with an HTPC.
post #55 of 142
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Originally Posted by DraZtiK View Post

What advantage would this have over an HTPC for the cost?. I can think of plenty of reasons to go with an HTPC.

it all depends on how it functions together, if it is an htpc like device, current HTPC have the downfall of there is no one stop solution, you can run xbmc frontend, use its internal player if you like, but if you want to play a disc you have to "exit" out of xbmc to launch powerdvd or tmnt to watch a disc then go back into xbmc, if it functions the same as a normal htpc does now then there is no gain.
post #56 of 142
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Originally Posted by halfelite View Post

it all depends on how it functions together, if it is an htpc like device, current HTPC have the downfall of there is no one stop solution, you can run xbmc frontend, use its internal player if you like, but if you want to play a disc you have to "exit" out of xbmc to launch powerdvd or tmnt to watch a disc then go back into xbmc, if it functions the same as a normal htpc does now then there is no gain.

huh?? What am I missing?
post #57 of 142
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Originally Posted by DraZtiK View Post

huh?? What am I missing?

You are not missing anything And yes XBMC supports external players, But its not a clean cut solution, The remote you use for xbmc might not be work with the external player, or the buttons change based on what external players you are using, powerdvd and vlc dont share the same button mapping, And yes while in most programs you can make custom mapping, This is why I said if they can clean it up and make it flawless it would be a decent solution. No messing with setting up external players, no having to map out your own remote control for each program you run to be the same.
post #58 of 142
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Originally Posted by mlknez View Post

Dune showed off the upcoming Max HD 3D at the CES show today. Some important facts:
7. NATIVE VIDEO OUTPUT!

What do you mean by that ? it can output yuv 4:2:0 ???
That would be fantastic !
post #59 of 142
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

I understand this. What I mean, you leave it up to the user to remove the encryption. It is not legal in the US as well, but many users do it with AnyDVD, DVDFab, MakeMKV, etc ... So all you need to do is have the Dune / XBMC set to play back unencrypted discs (up to the user to handle first). I believe this is no different then now. You could rip a disc with AnyDVD and keep the protection in tact, but then you wouldn't be able to play it on a player that doesn't support (like Mede8er). However, once the disc is unencrypted everything should be fair game.

agreed for files, but I was speaking about the discs, and for a disc the user can't do anything everything should be done inside the player wink.gif
post #60 of 142
coming back on my speculation about the chipset here : http://www.avsforum.com/t/1450642/dune-max-hd-3d-at-ces/30#post_22809481

I thought that they were using a Bay Trail chipset that was just annouced this week because they said it was an "unannounced chipset". But in fact my first thought was correct...

they are using a BerryVille chipset CE5315 that was annouced in Q1 2012. Confirmation here : http://www.hdlandforum.fr/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1702

CE5315 is the lowest end of the CE53xx chipsets, with only 1.2Ghz and no PQE. Apparently the Max 3D will have 2GB ram. It should also include a SGX 545 GPU which is quite old (2010 according to wikipedia) but should be enough for xbmc to run smoothly.

That will also explain that the video is showing "exclusive to Max 3D and Pro", so the the Pro might be back from the dead as well.

Now that they found out a solution to ditch Cinavia and play 3D and full menus from both discs and files, they can perfectly use an upper chipset (CE5348 for example) from the same chipset family, just add some high end components + NAS/Server functions (easy with intel chipset) and here you will have a new Pro...
Edited by Mr Eric - 1/11/13 at 12:56am
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