Originally Posted by martin68
So what's the big deal that consumer camcorders are not given the 24p option? Is it a way to restrict consumers who are on a budget to deny them to make 3D BD's with ease? forcing them to have to spend more on pro gear?
Could a firmware hack make a consumer 3D camcorder shoot in 24p?
24p in my opinion is too dated for todays video standards, so i myself can't understand why the film industry still uses it with so much faster frame rates available giving smother fast movement in todays action films.
Dose anyone know where we will be with this new 4k UHD video format? is that too only 24p on blu-ray, in fact can a full feature film even fit on BD in full UHD? 3D or 2D (probably belongs in a different thread)
is AVCHD 3D on a blu-ray not a side by side format only?
The only logical explanation for restricting consumer camcorders from shooting at 24p is protectionism. It's another way to distinguish consumer from pro gear, and pro gear costs more. It's an unfortunate fact of life, but it's the way things have always been done. I haven't heard of a hack that will allow a consumer camcorder to shoot at 24p. The cool thing about the JVC HMZ1 is that it's a pro-level camcorder that shoots at 24p, but it sells for about $850-$900 - at least right now. There's no telling how long it will be available.
24p is dated, but there's a giant, worldwide infrastructure of software and hardware that supports it, unlike the higher frame rates. It's not an easy or cheap task to change that. It's also not an easy task to change the mindset of professionals who have spent their careers dealing with the limitations of shooting and editing at 24fps. From the consumer perspective, 48p or 60p looks different and that makes people perceive it as "unnatural," despite the fact that higher frame rates are closer to how we perceive things with our naked eyes. I guarantee you that if people were used to higher frame rates they wouldn't want to go back to 24p. Neither would filmmakers, if they'd grown up with smoother motion. Even in animated films, animators have to deal with the limitations of 24p when they create camera or subject motion - using techniques like motion blur and swish pans. That's why there are formal recommendations for how fast to pan so as not to make films look too unnatural. 24p limits the creative process in a very fundamental way that 48p or 60p does not.
At the recent CEDIA expo, Joe Kane lamented the fact that the new HDMI 2.0 standard limits the quality of 60p video. Sure it can deal with 60p, but not at the same quality as slower frame rates. The people who create the standards are too short-sighted. If Blu-ray disc had not been limited to 8-bit video, we wouldn't have banding issues that continue to plague the format, especially with multi-generation editing. Joe Kane and others realized before the format was created that 10-bit encoding would actually use less disc space than 8-bit, and thus they could fit as much or more video on a 50GB disc as 8-bit, while avoiding the serious impact on video quality. No one listened, and they're still not listening.
One problem with consumer 3D video is that a new "standard" was used (MVC at 50i/60i), but the industry lost interest before it gave users a way to do basic, necessary things - such as getting it onto a disc and sharing it with family and friends. So, we have "solutions" that require burning the 3D video to an SD card so it can be viewed. It's a tiny hoop most people couldn't dream of jumping through. What's worse, the contents of that SD card can be burned to disc and played on some AVCHD 2.0-compatible Blu-ray 3D players (some Sony's) and not others (some Panasonic's).
Want more bad news? My earliest 3D displays would play 3D video from my JVC TD1 just fine, but some of the later ones won't. My Samsung C8000 3D plasma played all the TD1 video without an issue. The D7000 replacement (C8000 screen went bad) would play SbS 3D video from the camcorder just fine, but not mp4 MVC 3D video. It wouldn't play one of the primary colors and cost me a "repair" trip, plus weeks of lost time trying to get it "fixed." There was nothing wrong with the camera, just a change in what the plasma would play. My JVC RS40 played video from my TD1 just fine (except for the horrible ghosting), but the next generation Epson 6010 3D projector (which improved on the ghosting performance) wouldn't play the video at full resolution. Some Blu-ray 3D players will play Blu-ray 3D content from a DVD disc, while others require that content to be on an actual Blu-ray disc.
Consumer 3D has been botched from day one. Instead of cleaning up their mess, the CE manufacturers have simply moved on to 4K, leaving consumers feeling misled and betrayed. Now, for me, the small window opened up the capability to create my own 3D videos at a reasonable price point. That's tremendous and I love it. But again, that doesn't help the average person who doesn't have the skill or patience to work around the problems that the short-sightedness created. That's why you have angry consumers returning their 3D camcorders.