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post #61 of 174
I agree, but the pace of change has been awfully fast the last few years. Three years ago, I would have bet we wouldn't be able to edit 3D video at the quality level we can today, not at these prices. My jaw still drops sometimes when I review footage I've been able to capture with my JVCs. If I'm lucky, I'll be able to use the Red codec sometime within the next year or so to convert my 60i projects to 4K 60p. What I was saying was that based on what I see on my 1080p displays, that footage has the potential to look really, really good. Of course, all the flaws will be that much more noticeable, too. biggrin.gif Still, the fact that we can talk about the possibility of having a consumer 4K 3D 60p passive laser projector within a year or so, at somewhere close to $10,000, is mind boggling to me.
post #62 of 174
Hello, im From Portugal and i want to purchase a 3d camera , and i follow the reviews of the td 30, but i have a doubt, does it work seeing in my samsung 3d lcd 8000? is it a good camera for family use? what do you recomend until 1000€?
post #63 of 174
I have the TD30 camera, and the UN55C8000 tv from Samsung. You can play back the 3D video from the camera directly to the TV with a HDMI cable (mini connector at the camera end) just fine. That's fine for a quick peek. I usually edit (I use Edius) and write video files to bluray discs in either bluray or AVCHD format, or sometimes I create hsbs files on a drive for portability and playback without a disc - mostly to test stuff out without burning a disc. The camera performs quite nicely, but my version of the 8000 series tv is 3 years old and has always had a bit of ghosting in some 3D scenes. This is not an issue with the camera as the ghosting is not in the source video. If I play the recordings on a different display, the ghosting isn't there. For the money the picture quality the camera delivers is excellent, and the video stabilization is much nicer than my previous Canon camera.
post #64 of 174
Thank you! smile.gif
post #65 of 174
Hello,

I am very new to the forum. This is my first post. I have a question that I was hoping someone could answer. Why does the Sony HDR-TD30V create one .mts file? I thought the whole point behind 2 lenses is to capture 2 streams (left / right eye) simultaneously.

I want to use Final Cut Pro to edit / create 3D videos. The FCP plugin that I use Dashwood Stereo 3D toolbox LE seems expects 2 streams (left / right eye) to create the videos. I'm not sure what I can do. I cannot import the same clip twice.

I would strongly prefer not to use a PC, how does it work with Sony Vegas? Does it not need 2 streams?
post #66 of 174
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Originally Posted by Daren Jacobs View Post

Hello,

I am very new to the forum. This is my first post. I have a question that I was hoping someone could answer. Why does the Sony HDR-TD30V create one .mts file? I thought the whole point behind 2 lenses is to capture 2 streams (left / right eye) simultaneously.

I want to use Final Cut Pro to edit / create 3D videos. The FCP plugin that I use Dashwood Stereo 3D toolbox LE seems expects 2 streams (left / right eye) to create the videos. I'm not sure what I can do. I cannot import the same clip twice.

I would strongly prefer not to use a PC, how does it work with Sony Vegas? Does it not need 2 streams?

Welcome to AVS, Daren. The TD30's MTS file does contain dual streams - a full resolution left eye view and a "dependent" right eye view. Both are contained within the MVC file (multiview video coding), but many programs only recognize the main file. Sony Vegas sees the MTS file as 3D and works with it just as it is. There are utilities that can split the file into two independent streams, which FCP might be able to work with, depending on which codecs it supports. That adds a level of complexity, though, that can be tedious. Also (depending on your Mac) you might be able to use Vegas in Windows, avoiding unnecessary additional hardware expense. But 3D editing is very demanding, and you need a powerful system.
post #67 of 174
Joseph,

Thank you so much for your response. I really appreciate it. Can you tell me how I can split that .mts file into the the left eye and right eye independent streams. I do not think that FCP sees the file as a "3D file".
post #68 of 174
I'm not sure which file types FCP accepts. There's a small utility called MVCtoAVI that will split the file, but obviously that is a Windows-biased conversion. Cineform (now GoPro) also has software that will do it, and I think the Cineform codecs work on the Mac, too. Unfortunately, Cineform creates very large files, so it eats your hard drive for lunch. Most of the people who participate in the 3D editing threads here on AVS use PCs. I believe Tim Dashwood is very active at DVInfo.net, and obviously he's a Mac guy. Here's a link. You might try over there and see if you can get more help for the Mac side. He did a full 3D video tutorial on shooting with the JVC TD1, so I suspect he has experience with all the different flavors of MVC 3D.
post #69 of 174
Thank you for the response I realize my problem is that the Mac does not see the .mts file as a "3d" file and there is no way to split the file into left and right streams on the Mac. I can either use Sony Vegas or manually split the files using PC software. That seems a bit short sighted.

I would think there are many video editors who use macs.
post #70 of 174
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Daren- If you insist on using a Mac to work then you are best advised to get either Boot Camp or Parallels and set your Mac hardware up with windows OS. Now you will have more capability in the 3D world. Once you have a windows OS on your Mac you can use PMB to import the files off the camcorder which will convert to m2ts. Now you can download the Content Management Utility from Sony and split the m2ts to left and right files for use in after effects or whatever 2 file editing system you are running on your Mac. Of course, if I were you, I would just install Vegas Pro and save myself a whole lot of trouble. It's designed to edit and has worked well for some on an iMAC with Win OS.
post #71 of 174
3D editing at this level is still in its infancy. I went through the same thing you're going through now a couple of years ago when I got my JVC TD1 3D camcorder. Even today, many programs (including Vegas) don't support its 3D files natively. That's why I switched to Edius as my main 3D NLE. It doesn't care if the files are Sony, JVC or Panasonic. Wait til you start dealing with the nuances of 60i vs 24p editing, export and authoring. That will be "fun," too. smile.gif On the plus side, many of us here have gone through that pain already and may be able to help, if you decide to go the Windows on Mac route. If you stay entirely on the Mac side, DVInfo is probably a better bet for you. Good luck.
post #72 of 174
Don't you ever sleep, Don? biggrin.gif
post #73 of 174
Thread Starter 
I just woke up! rolleyes.gif

Hey Joe- I just bought a Microsoft Surface Pro last week. I want to experiment with Vegas 12 on it. It uses an i5 processor and SSD drive. Don't plan to do much robust editing but I want to have capability to pair video from my Twin systems and view in anaglyph while away on trips.
post #74 of 174
That should be interesting. I can't travel now, but if I could a powerful laptop like that would be a great tool to have along for the ride.
post #75 of 174
I just got back from vacation in Europe for 2 weeks and used the TD 30 and it worked great!...my question...is there a way to play the video from the SD Card and not use the camera? such as a blu ray player that has an sd card slot that can playback 3D video? or can I just transfer the video from the SD Card to a USB Stick and then play it on a 3D tv using the USB Input on the TV or use the USB Input on a 3D Blu ray player?

Thanks
Hunter
post #76 of 174
The new Panasonic DMP-BDT235 seems to be able to playback MVC files from the TD20 from the SD-slot - so I hope it works for TD30 files too.
post #77 of 174
I'm interested in the TD30 for shooting home video, vacations, kids sports, other family events... Thoughts on the 3D effect for these venues? As I understand it there is somewhat of a sweet spot for getting the 3D effect? Would it be useful in those applications? Also hoping to do some video of my newborn son - still get a 3D effect up close?
post #78 of 174
I am not sure if I understand what you mean by "sweet spot"?

But if you are talking about the maximal distance where you will see a good s3D effect with the TD30 - then we are talking about 5-10 meters, at the best 15 meters. For a larger depth range the IO is too small. But that will be fine for your purpose in a majority of the cases I think.
post #79 of 174
Greetings! Not a new member here by any means but haven't posted in a very long time. My newest camcorder is a Panasonic PV-GS200 unless you count my iPhone 5 (which I do not). As you can see it's been a long time since I've purchased a camcorder. My price range is anything under $1k and I will be doing basic family type videos. I love the idea of having something 3D capable but it isn't a hardcore requirement - I would at least prefer a nice HD capable camera. The TD10, TD20, and TD30 can all be had right now for $900 to $1,000. Given that, which of the 3 would you recommend to be the best value for the price. I couldn't seem to find a good site that outlined exactly what the differences are between the 3 so if someone could point me toward that it would be greatly appreciated. Also, if I should be considering another model entirely then shoot me a PM rather than clutter up this excellent thread on the TD30.

Thanks!
post #80 of 174
The td 30 has been out for a few months yet everyone is still selling these at retail- what gives? I think $999 is retail price and going on amazon, they are going for $998 or $$99.
Will these ever be discounted???
post #81 of 174
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Originally Posted by linpark View Post

Greetings! Not a new member here by any means but haven't posted in a very long time.

Thanks!

I got one of those in my camcorder graveyard, it is the only one not fully functional (one of the sensors is dead). Yeah, you need a new cam!
post #82 of 174
Thread Starter 
The TD30 and TD20 are similar in size but the 30 has less features, such as no internal memory. The TD20 would be your best bang for the buck. The TD10 is the oldest model and is twice the size as the 20 / 30. The features are similar to the 20 but many believe the camera image quality is a tad better on the 20.

For basic consumer family video use either the 20 or 30 would get my vote. For the 30 to work you will need to buy an SD card.
post #83 of 174
My new TD20 should arrive here on Tuesday! smile.gif
post #84 of 174
Hi, that's my first post but I've been reading about 3D cams since the launch of the TD20 a year ago.

A premise: I don't know anything about camcorders, but I want to start with 3D.
Too few people doing it, and my idea is to take ordinary shots but in 3D - to be seen on a PS64

Right now I'm stumbled.
OK, if I want quality w/o having to spend too many bucks I've to choose between TD20 and TD30
Seems easy, because things like the absence of an internal HD really don't concern me.

But the TD30 doesn't have a ring for the filters.
Is it important, fundamental or completely useless?
( Please remember that I'm a noob )
Are there ways to use them, if needed?
I'm asking because a filter to protect the lense looks like a sensible thing to have, plus UV and such.

Has anyone had the opportunity to compare the new TD30 video output from the TD20?
Does it differ that much?

Just to clarify, my primary use would be for ordinary shots: holydays, birthdays, my cat and so on.
Almost always into a 10 meters range.

Thanks in advance!
post #85 of 174
Thread Starter 
Starting out with 3D is a pretty aggressive undertaking as it is the most challenging video to shoot. The operator still has to make the pictures and 3D just complicates things. The good news is all 3D camcorders have a 2D mode where you can work on the basics before switching to 3D.

The need for filters is not important for general novice shooting. For those who are very experienced with photography, adding filters can achieve more control over the outcome.

The camcorder has an automatic lens cover for off protection. For protecting from water spray while shooting, you should avoid this environment unless you have some means to protect the camera's front lens such as a splash bag with front glass. Companies make these that can be used with a variety of camcorders. The TD20 and 30 has no such filter accessory. The TD10 has a 3rd party lens filter assembly available from Cyclopital. It's not cheap!

I think your primary use will be met with a TD30. It is a 2D 3D camcorder designed for someone just like you described yourself.
post #86 of 174
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Originally Posted by Don Landis View Post

The TD20 and 30 has no such filter accessory. The TD10 has a 3rd party lens filter assembly available from Cyclopital. It's not cheap!
NEW PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT
Filter & Lens Adapter for Sony 3D Camcorders HDR - TD30V & HDR - TD20V
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*(Confusingly doesn't mention any adaptability to the Sony Stereo Base Extender)
Edited by Paul H - 5/31/13 at 9:03am
post #87 of 174
Thank you for the answers!
Yes, I saw the Cyclopital system before coming here.
The weird fact that brought me to asking was exactly that: how logical would be to buy an external system which costs as much as another camera, when the other cameras have a built-in ring?

The other point I forgot to mention was about the 3D's framerate.
It's 60i, and please confirm me that it's equivalent to 29.97 fps because I'm losing the grip here smile.gif
Since it's exactly the same as TD10 and TD20, do you think there is a possibility that the next model will finally shoot 60p, or that's sadly out of question?

I'm open to suggestions, so if there are others / better camera to try feel free to point me to them.
post #88 of 174
Thaf adapter is firck'in expensive I wish Sony made one that was cheaper. Ten years ago, I bought 7meg Sony point and show and I got all the Sony accessories for it- outboard flash, waterproof housing and yes, lens/filter adapter, I have always used a polarizer on my cams, I hate going without one on my td30, but for $300? Yikes!
post #89 of 174
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Paul H View Post

NEW PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT
Filter & Lens Adapter for Sony 3D Camcorders HDR - TD30V & HDR - TD20V
*

*(Confusingly doesn't mention any adaptability to the Sony Stereo Base Extender)

Thanks for the update. Good to know Cy. is continuing to support these new form factors.
post #90 of 174
Is there a difference in picture quality between the TD20 and the TD30?

I have been reading the specs between the TD20 and the TD30 and to me the camcorders are virtually identical in size and weight, and all i notice the difference is that the TD30 seems to have become a "lesser" camcorder compared to the TD20 being that the manual knob and internal memory have been removed, apart from being all black as well, it seems to be the same as a TD20

I also notice that the sensors and lenses have identical specifications on the two models, so my question is: do both of these camcorders produce identical quality images, be it 3D 2D and stills?

I personally want to buy the TD20 because of it's extra features, but may decide on the TD30 if the final video and photos look clearer and sharper, for me it's the final picture quality that's the deal breaker.

your opinions please
Edited by martin68 - 6/19/13 at 9:48am
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