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post #61 of 75
1/28/13 at 6:29pm
Thats pretty much spot on. CRT's have all basically been replaced now and the spike in sales [of flat panels] is over. 3D was to try and get sales going again and failed. 4K will create a small blip, but the majority will wait until their existing panels fail.

As to 4K content distribution, as with a previous posted comment where most of America don't have the speed required to download a 4K movie, Australia is much the same. Hell, I only get 36Gb/month so for me to download a 50Gb movie is 2 months worth of data without doing anything else on the net.

Even if we could convince everyone that DVD's are redundant (like VHS tapes are now), most are not tech savvy enough to understand that the movie you can get from the internet is the same as the one you can get on the disc.

While digital music distribution has been made easy with the likes of iTunes and Amazon, this has gone a long way to teach the masses on digital content delivery so the transition should be easier. Whatever the solution, its is going to have to not require a computer.

And then there are those that want the physical media (as stated already).

Rental outlets also need to be considered. While Netflix has crushed most of them in the US, here in Aus I can get a new BR movie to rent for $2. There is no digital distribution option available to us Aussies (not that I am aware of but I do not search them out doe to my limitations of data).

So, in my humble opinion, 4K will be dead before it starts unless a distribution media is created for it.

Mick
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post #62 of 75
1/30/13 at 9:50am
If they want a 4K disc format to take off, all they have to do is give it a name no one can resist.....

...like "4-Play".... wink.gif

In all seriousness, what will drive 4K are 4 things:

1) Even smarter TVs with the ability to do real web surfing with all that resolution and the ability to easily view photos at higher resolutions than they can now. These days, TVs are less about TV than all the other things they can do.

2) Gaming. Once consoles can take advantage of all that extra resolution, there's gonna be some seriously sick games coming out.

3) A compact memory card that is fast enough and has enough capacity to work alone to allow next generation DSLRs to not only record 4K video, but 3D using the full sensor resolution to give each eye 4K. Right now, we waste perfectly good 18MP sensors on 1080p when shooting video. Next generation DSLRs will likely be approaching 25 or even 30MP. Even if you only use 1/3 of the sensor in order to shoot 16x9 on a 3:2 ratio sensor, you're still left with more than enough real estate.

4) A recordable version of a high capacity disc in the 120-200GB range not just for those 4K videos, but to provide local backup of computer files. While the cloud is appealing to many to use for everything, we're seeing more examples of the dangers of not having a local copy to go along with it. One bad business decision or an FBI raid can make your data disappear - like a cloud.
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post #63 of 75
1/30/13 at 7:16pm
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4) A recordable version of a high capacity disc in the 120-200GB range not just for those 4K videos, but to provide local backup of computer files. While the cloud is appealing to many to use for everything, we're seeing more examples of the dangers of not having a local copy to go along with it. One bad business decision or an FBI raid can make your data disappear - like a cloud.

Recordable 100-128GB Blu ray disc's do exist now for consumers called BDXL, no movies have been released on the BDXL format.
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post #64 of 75
1/31/13 at 2:15am
I really hope that streaming does not become the format we will use to view 4K/UHD material.

100-200GB of 4K/UHD data streamed is going to be expensive for the consumer. Improvements to the internet to be able to have this capability will cost the providers a bundle, and they are in the business to make money. Those costs will be paid for by some, if not all internet users.

Consumers have definitely become very familiar with audio downloads, thanks to i-tunes & Amazon. Video downloads are more common now thanks to the iPad, Nook, Kindle Fire, and multiple other tablets. But this has come at a "cost" too. How many households still don't have/appreciate Blu ray? Don't view/appreciate true 1080p? Don't hear/appreciate the difference between MP3 and lossless audio?

We live in a "fast food" world of instant gratification it seems. Providers will have no qualms to hype & advertise their 4K/UHD services that must be compressed to be delivered, with the loss of the resolution that is the primary reason for such content... and unsophisticated consumers will be lining up (and paying thru the nose) for those services, feeling pretty good about themselves for their technological capabilities!
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post #65 of 75
2/1/13 at 1:15pm
Just think... somebody's $10,000 UHD flat screen and $25,000 audio system will only have hyper compressed video and low-end audio content playing through them because the studios want to lock down their product... like DIVX of old.

And it'll take you all night to download that kind of "quality" to an approved, proprietary storage device and player.

Oh boy, can't wait!!! UHD is gonna sell like hotcakes. wink.gif
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post #66 of 75
5/5/13 at 6:36am
http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/sonys-blu-ray-replacement-to-store-1tb-on-a-single-disc/
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post #67 of 75
5/5/13 at 1:09pm
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Thats pretty much spot on. CRT's have all basically been replaced now and the spike in sales [of flat panels] is over. 3D was to try and get sales going again and failed. 4K will create a small blip, but the majority will wait until their existing panels fail.

As to 4K content distribution, as with a previous posted comment where most of America don't have the speed required to download a 4K movie, Australia is much the same. Hell, I only get 36Gb/month so for me to download a 50Gb movie is 2 months worth of data without doing anything else on the net.

Even if we could convince everyone that DVD's are redundant (like VHS tapes are now), most are not tech savvy enough to understand that the movie you can get from the internet is the same as the one you can get on the disc.

While digital music distribution has been made easy with the likes of iTunes and Amazon, this has gone a long way to teach the masses on digital content delivery so the transition should be easier. Whatever the solution, its is going to have to not require a computer.

And then there are those that want the physical media (as stated already).

Rental outlets also need to be considered. While Netflix has crushed most of them in the US, here in Aus I can get a new BR movie to rent for $2. There is no digital distribution option available to us Aussies (not that I am aware of but I do not search them out doe to my limitations of data).

So, in my humble opinion, 4K will be dead before it starts unless a distribution media is created for it.

Mick

I pretty much agree with everything you say. If these gold digging IPs are carping over 1080p, imagine how they would react to 4000K. There is no physical media capable of 4000K is there?

Floyd
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post #68 of 75
5/5/13 at 1:16pm
Good ole' schizoid Sony.
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post #69 of 75
5/5/13 at 2:35pm
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Good ole' schizoid Sony.

Arghhhh! Don't get me started!
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post #70 of 75
5/5/13 at 3:59pm
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I pretty much agree with everything you say. If these gold digging IPs are carping over 1080p, imagine how they would react to 4000K. There is no physical media capable of 4000K is there?

Floyd

Sure there is. It's whether or not the BDA will switch to them or not. You won't get high quality 4k with pro-grade color gamut and the latest object oriented lossless formats on a BD50... that's for sure!
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post #71 of 75
5/18/13 at 7:04am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2084665/New-Blu-Ray-discs-offering-times-hi-def-2013.html



It looks like a new player for 4K physical media is at least a possibility. This might be a lot easier than fixing the lack of bandwidth problem many will have trying to download/stream 4K movies. Just a thought.
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post #72 of 75
5/18/13 at 11:48am
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2084665/New-Blu-Ray-discs-offering-times-hi-def-2013.html



It looks like a new player for 4K physical media is at least a possibility. This might be a lot easier than fixing the lack of bandwidth problem many will have trying to download/stream 4K movies. Just a thought.

This is an old report. The BDA has not finalized the UHD Blu-ray specs. (also don't know what storage discs will be available) and we don't know what kind of pressure some of the key members are exerting on the body to peddle slowly as to kill off the potential of a disc based 4k medium. Studios love Pay Per View rentals more than life itself. They've tried this sh-t before.

However, it has been mentioned time and time again that the internet infrastructure and the greedy ISP's are not ready for 4k files. They can't even do 1080p correctly.
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post #73 of 75
5/18/13 at 12:05pm
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This is an old report. The BDA has not finalized the UHD Blu-ray specs. (also don't know what storage discs will be available) and we don't know what kind of pressure some of the key members are exerting on the body to peddle slowly as to kill off the potential of a disc based 4k medium. Studios love Pay Per View rentals more than life itself. They've tried this sh-t before.

However, it has been mentioned time and time again that the internet infrastructure and the greedy ISP's are not ready for 4k files. They can't even do 1080p correctly.



I posted this because some seem to be under illusion that Sony and others already wrote off physical media when in fact it's still on the table. Like you said ISP's are not ready for 4K files yet. I know it will kill them to release a new physical format but I don't see what other choice they have when most of Internet movie services can barely get 1080p right.
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post #74 of 75
5/18/13 at 12:37pm
I'm thinking of all the people I know who didn't buy a DVD player until they got to the $29-39 price point. Why? Because they didn't record. People are really funny about money and the things they spend it on. Most are so outraged over their cable bills they will never buy a blu ray player, much less a 4k TV or a 4k player.
But many will go for an overly color saturated and deep black level flatscreen and be happy watching DVDs and streaming content for e next ten years.
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post #75 of 75
5/19/13 at 4:50pm
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I'm thinking of all the people I know who didn't buy a DVD player until they got to the $29-39 price point. Why? Because they didn't record. People are really funny about money and the things they spend it on. Most are so outraged over their cable bills they will never buy a blu ray player, much less a 4k TV or a 4k player.
But many will go for an overly color saturated and deep black level flatscreen and be happy watching DVDs and streaming content for e next ten years.
Very well said.
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