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post #61 of 290
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Hey! Nice rack!

I gotta be honest RT, that comment and "show me your rack" always reminds me of the thread here on AVS that I read numerous times before I started on my rack. I did learn a lot from that thread. LOL. In fact, if you Google "show me your rack" that infamous photo comes up first and the AVS thread is the first hit! When I get some time, I am going to start a thread on the progression of my rack from start to finish. I took tons of pictures. I will be sure to start it off with a controversial rack photo of some sort tongue.gif
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I love the networking feature, and if you have iOS or Android there is an app to run the receiver from your device.

I never knew you had the 1010...and it is so good to hear that it has worked well for you too. Between myself, my wife and my two kids, we have 4 iPads and 2 iPhones so that will certainly come in handy!
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Pretty slick, I also have it networked with my PC so I can stream my playlists and music directly from it.

I have an Ethernet cable (Cat 6) run from my modem upstairs down to my rack just for that reason! biggrin.gif
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I also have a outboard amp, Emotiva XPA-3, so I let it power my LRC, and let the Yammy power the surrounds life is good.

You probably know this but I am on the hunt for an Emo XPA-3 as well...so I've been periodically checking Craigslist. I missed out on one not too long ago - seller was only asking $300 - heck of a bargain - but someone beat me to it. I've got some time so I just have to be patient and just keep checking around.

I've got the MS Walk today with my family (and a party afterwards) but I am hoping to have some time to wrap my 2 lally columns and get that knocked out this evening. Tired of staring at those maroon poles!

So have you perfected the popcorn yet or what???
post #62 of 290
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Been traveling for the last week but managed to get a couple of hours of work done Sunday night and Monday night.

Lally column wood wraps and associated trims are installed. Really like the way they turned out. Great decision to do this as it has opened up SO much more room for me.

Media room side of basement (before and afters):





Playroom side of basement (before and afters):





Trim piece for ceiling:



Trim piece for floor:


Next I need to hit the lally columns with primer. Also need to prime the inside of the projector housing so both will be ready for final two coats of the trim paint further on down the road.

I am having a hard time trusting little 1/4" shelf pins to hold up my 3/4" shelves for my Yamaha AVR and Emo amp so I went ahead and cut some 10" long shelf supports out of 1X that I will use to support those two shelves on my rack:



Have to hit these with some primer as well and then two coats of the black BM Advance but they will screw right into the side walls of my rack like this:




My next major hurdle is to figure out what the hell I am going to do to set, mount and/or house my CC speaker (Polk CSiA6) just beneath my screen. Considering building a small bump out of some sort with studs/drywall and possibly a granite top (that will match the granite counter top on the opposite side of the room). I've got about 3 other ideas right now and I'm taking my time thinking them through, sketching them out, etc.

Decisions, decisions. confused.gif
post #63 of 290
Anything like these two mounts work for you

This one HERE

Or maybe this one HERE

Couple of options to consider.

The dressed up columns looks really nice.

Regards,

RTROSE
post #64 of 290
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Anything like these two mounts work for you

This one HERE

Or maybe this one HERE

Couple of options to consider.

The dressed up columns looks really nice.

Regards,

RTROSE

Thanks RT. I have come across the PinPoint mounts for the CC and they look ideal. My problem is that I've got a 5 year old and a 7 year old (and many young children that could potentially be down in the basement when I'm not there) and I fear that the mounts and the speaker could be pulled off the wall or damaged. The other glitch I ran into while considering the PinPoint is that I would have to set another stud in the wall because the exact center as it is now would only give me one stud to hang 2 mounts on.

There is actually a nice media unit at Pottery Barn that my wife is a big fan of and believe it or not the CSiA6 would fit PERFECTLY inside the center shelf:




A DIY option that I have on the table right now is to build a bump out from the wall (studs and drywall) centered below the screen. It would be about 24" wide, 22" high and 14" deep (the speaker is 24" W and 14"D) and the sides would diagonally taper back to the wall so the bump out didn't have sharp 90 degree corners in front. The topper would be a nice thick piece of wood painted to match the trim color in the basement or even a piece of granite - either would have to be 26"W x 16" D. I would run the new baseboard trim around the base of this bump out so in a sense it would look almost like a pedestal. Something like this would make me feel MUCH better about a resting place for the CC. This option is attractive because it's about half the cost of the $1K piece of furniture above whose sole purpose would be to hold up a $350 CC speaker - LOL wink.gif I can do the framing and the wood top myself...I would just need to bring in my drywall guy to do his thing for about $200. Like I said before, I've got to sketch this plan out to scale on paper and see how it looks.

I've really got to talk it over with my wife (WAF is key here). The PB media stand above would likely match the color and style of furniture that the Mrs. is considering for the basement (we own stock in Pottery Barn in terms of furniture now - LOL!), it provides a great slot for the CC and it also provides us some additional storage for media, games, etc. in the drawers and on the ends. Plus, it stands 25"H and the bottom of my Elite screen will be at about 31" from the floor. That gives me a nice 6" buffer between the top of this unit and the bottom of the screen.

If anyone has any other suggestions or ideas, let me know!
post #65 of 290
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Here are a few very rough sketches of the "bump out" plan I mentioned in my earlier thread:

FRONT VIEW


SIDE VIEW


TOP VIEW



Gonna run this up the flagpole soon with the wife since one option involves a piece of furniture! At this point I could go either way. biggrin.gif
post #66 of 290
If you are going to make it that small, you're probobly better off just making the base out of furniture grade plywood and skipping the hassle of drywall.

Other option is the stretch it the length of the wall and have the sides up higher as well.

Third option if your going that far is to just construct a whole screen wall and call it a day!
post #67 of 290
Truth be known, if you are concerned about little ones, any kind of bump out, mount, or stand alone shelf is not the way to go. I would just plan on buying that table unit from Pottery Barn and use that until little hands are no longer an issue. Having it in a opening like that will give it protection all the way around (except the front of course). Plus then you would not have to hassle with building anything.

Just my .02 on the matter. Did you get my PM?

Regards,

RTROSE
post #68 of 290
Couple of thoughts on the center channel cabinet/stand. You could create a floating or bracketed shelf from lumber you stain and poly, that's what I did in my theater. Or f you want to go with a piece of furniture for now I highly recommend craigslist. I have found some great deals on furniture, getting things for a quarter or tenth of the cost of new.
post #69 of 290
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If you are going to make it that small, you're probobly better off just making the base out of furniture grade plywood and skipping the hassle of drywall

Excellent point. If I do decide to go the pedestal route, I could use the same 3/4" wood that I used for my in-wall cabinet/rack. I could paint it the same color as the wall and no one would ever know the difference.
post #70 of 290
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Truth be known, if you are concerned about little ones, any kind of bump out, mount, or stand alone shelf is not the way to go. I would just plan on buying that table unit from Pottery Barn and use that until little hands are no longer an issue. Having it in a opening like that will give it protection all the way around (except the front of course). Plus then you would not have to hassle with building anything.

Just my .02 on the matter. Did you get my PM?

Regards,

RTROSE

I have a feeling that is the way the Mrs. is going to want to go. biggrin.gif I am addressing this with her this weekend so we'll see what she says! I did get your PM...will respond shortly. Thanks again for all of your advice and direction...
post #71 of 290
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Couple of thoughts on the center channel cabinet/stand. You could create a floating or bracketed shelf from lumber you stain and poly, that's what I did in my theater. Or f you want to go with a piece of furniture for now I highly recommend craigslist. I have found some great deals on furniture, getting things for a quarter or tenth of the cost of new.

Thanks for the advice. With kids at such a young age, I think the floating shelf is no longer an option. It's funny you mentioned Craigslist. I have been checking CL for two different media stands from Pottery Barn for months now. Found a black Logan in Philly but is comes as a set with multiple cabinets and shelves. I just need the stand part and the owner won't break it up (for obvious reasons). Something tells me I'm going to be buying this thing new...we shall see. It sure would be nice to find one in my area and save $400-$500!
post #72 of 290
If you are set on one specific stand then yeah you may have to buy new unless you get lucky. There would be a number of media stands, cabinets or credenza's that should work though if you have some flexibility.
post #73 of 290
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Last night I put the finishing touches on my rack...IT IS 100% COMPLETE. I did not trust the 1/4" shelf pins for my AVR shelf and my AMP shelf so I went ahead and installed some 1x as supports. Cheap solution that allows me to sleep at night smile.gif

Here's a shot of one of the supports up close:



And here is a shot after loading in my Yammy and my Panamax. Notice the pull-out shelf (just crying for a new turntable) and some vinyl loaded into the bottom?



Extremely pleased with the way the cabinet turned out. I cannot wait to get some fresh paint up on these horrendous white-turning-yellow walls!
post #74 of 290
I just read your entire thread and subscribed. Your doing a great job and making great progress!! Keep up the good work and I hope you make more youtube videos too.
post #75 of 290
You did an excellent job on that rack, love it!!
post #76 of 290
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Great news to report on a couple of different fronts.

First, over the past week I've had a chance to really get to know my Yamaha RX-A1010 by temporarily hooking it up to a flat screen from our bedroom (for those of you who don't know I do not have my PJ yet). I think I've read the Yamaha manual 3 times over on my iPad! Hopefully RTRose won't hit me with a quiz yet - LOL! With the much-appreciated help of Carlos (cr136124), I was able to do a hard reset of his x-receiver and start fresh from scratch. I was able to load in my Pandora info and arrange/rename all of the HDMI and AV inputs that will coincide with the components that I will be using in my rack. Love the fact that I can customize the names/icons that go with it for the On Screen menu. Net radio feature is very cool as well so I have some exploring to do to find some good stations out there that I can enjoy for years to come. I also downloaded the Yamaha app on my iPad and my iPhone so I have full control of this AVR now with both of those devices. Brilliant app on Yamaha's part. I also received my Sonos Connect from Crutchfield yesterday so adding this one to the rack in my media room makes my 5th Sonos zone in the house. I get Pandora, Spotify, my entire iTunes library and about a million radio stations worldwide through my wireless Sonos system so it is safe to say that I'm pretty much covered in terms of music content! I also finished up trimming down my speaker wires and resetting my banana clips for my fronts and CC and got them settled/secured/labeled on the back of the rack.

Second, this weekend I FINALLY had the "WAF" conversation with my wife about our options for the screen wall. Neither of us were too cranked up about changing the structure of the front wall (i.e. building a bump out or pedestal) just for the CC speaker. At this point in time it makes much more sense to purchase a nice media stand to house the CC speaker and it will give us some additional (and much needed) storage down there. Having a unit below the screen will also sort of fill the space in between my A7's that will be standing 42"H on either side of the screen (she has been warned about how tall these Polk towers really are and she's ok with it). She has decided that she likes the look of the Logan media stand at PM...so that's what we will go with. The boss has spoken and I think we'll be happy with it. smile.gif



The unit will sit about 6-8 inches below the bottom of my screen depending on how high I end up mounting it.

The next plan is to purchase my A7's and my first PSA XV-15. Waiting on NewEgg to restock the RTi series line and trying to figure out what the hell is taking them so long?! The search also continues for a gently used Emo XPA-3 with a couple of years warranty left. Afterall, I want those A7's to SHINE!!!

I'm paying my painter to come in and paint the ceilings (I don't do ceilings) before I start the walls. Once I get two coats up, I'll be pre-painting and installing almost 200LF of 5 1/4" OG baseboard. eek.gif Lots of work to do but knocking it out slowly but surely. All while still being the best father I can be and spending as much time as I can with my children. These Spring sports - teeball for my son and lacrosse for my daughter - are killing me! I know that I need to soak up every minute I can with my children at this age...because these days will be gone before I can even blink.
post #77 of 290
Rack is amazing man hell of a job!!
post #78 of 290
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Rack is amazing man hell of a job!!

Thanks JMEANS and Landshark1. It was a long process but I took my time and did it right. I've done a lot of things like crown molding and wainscoting in my houses over the years but this was the first time ever building any sort of a cabinet with quality wood. I wanted the flexibility of adjustable shelves in the event that I change/upgrade components further on down the line. I decided to go with black so that the components blended in better. It will also play off the black around my screen so I went with it. Over the next couple of months I will be filling it up with gear while continuing the construction down there. Gives me time to take advantage of sales and discounts, etc.
post #79 of 290
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This week I ordered my PSA XV-15 and my XPA-3. I must say that dealing with Tom Vodhanel of PSA was fantastic. I know he is very well respected around these parts. biggrin.gif I reached out to Tom to discuss a few things about the XV-15 and he took the time to give me his thoughts and opinions of one sub vs. two subs and where I would most likely benefit most with placement of just one, etc. I've got the room wired in the event that I'd ever want/need to add a 2nd XV-15 but fingers crossed that this one is enough for my needs (please oh please don't let me fall down that dual sub rabbit hole). I realize there is never a guarantee of where it will work out best but it was still nice to get his professional opinion. I needed to delay shipping a few days and PSA was more than accommodating. Fantastic co. to deal with. I can't wait to meet this 92lb. beast! My wife on the other hand, she may pass out when she sees how big it is. eek.gif

I also ordered my Emo XPA-3. Great CS team there too...very nice to deal with them. smile.gif Decided against buying used so that I can take advantage of a full-term warranty.

Working on some small electrical issues this week...installing some remote IR dimmers and some new bulbs that are LONG overdue.
post #80 of 290
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Man, the Spring sure is a tough time to get anything done in the basement with all of the miscellaneous yard work that needs attention. The good news is that I am continuing to make progress slowly…just not at the pace that I would like wink.gif

Progress…





Before I left town for the weekend I was able to get several Maestro dimmers (and new bulbs) installed and what a difference that makes. The only negative is that the ugly white soon-to-be-painted walls bother me even more wink.gif I installed a Maestro IR remote dimmer for the 12 cans that are on one circuit on the media room side which gives me the flexibility to control the lights from the seating area. Also installed a couple other Maestro dimmers for the stairwell and for the smaller side of the basement. Big fan of the Lutron Maestros as I’ve been using them in many other rooms throughout the house for years. I am also going to have 3 or 4 dimmable step lights installed just above the baseboards in the staircase to lighten things up a bit when coming down the stairs. That is outside of my realm so I wait on my electrician!

Speaking of power, yesterday I got word that my amp and my sub were waiting for me at FedEx. The sub would not fit in my car so I had to just settle for picking up the amp. Got it home, slid that sucker across the mud room and kitchen floors then right down the stairs into the basement (I’ve got 2 bulging/degenerative discs in my lower back…that’s how I roll). Got her unpacked, read the entire manual and now she is resting in her spot in the rack all hooked up. Thank GOD I put those wood reinforcements under that shelf...that amp is a beast to hoist up that high!




This morning on the way to work I stopped by FedEx with my wife’s SUV and picked up the sub. THIS THING IS AN ABSOLUTE BEAST and would only fit on its side. This is a Volvo XC60 and the box just barely fit!? eek.gifeek.gifeek.gif



It should be interesting to see how I get this unloaded and into the basement this evening! biggrin.gif
post #81 of 290
Oh boy, that's a beast. How did u load it?
I would give u a hand if u were in Owings Mills.
post #82 of 290
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Before I post pics of the XV-15's journey from FedEx to my basement, I first need to make a statement. I have NEVER in my life heard such phenomenal, deep, smooth, pure bass come out of an apparatus as I did this evening after hooking up this PSA XV-15. Now, keep in mind that I have not calibrated ANYTHING in any way with my Yammy yet (crossover, etc.) and I was only running it with my surrounds (Polk RT-65's) and my rear surrounds (Polk RC80i's). It blended almost seamlessly even with 4 speakers that were on the opposite end of the media room. I was absolutely floored by what I heard and the exciting part is that I know I haven't even scratched the surface with this sub. I can't even imagine what is going to happen when my fronts and center are invited to the party and I've got everything calibrated and working as designed. biggrin.gif

The journey was a piece of cake today and I am happy to report that my back was never in jeopardy. Had to slide the sub out of the back of the car (on 2x4's) onto the garage floor. Flipped it up 3 steps in the garage to the mud room. Slid it thru the mud room and kitchen only to find a little helper along the way:



Concerned for my safety (and my back), she insisted that she supervise things as I slowly guided the 108lb. boxed monster down the basement stairs:



Ah, we made it:



Very well packaged I must say...no damage to report:



There she is in all her glory:



A 15" driver indeed:



So in the corner she goes:





Stamp of approval from my kiddos first (wife not pictured):



Best part of this is that my wife came down shortly afterwards and she took it surprisingly well! biggrin.gif She's not fired up about the black...but she'll live to see another day. GAME ON!!!! biggrin.gif
post #83 of 290
Congrats man!!!!!
post #84 of 290
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After two weeks of deep thought (while Spring kept pulling me outside in the yard), I officially have a change of plans worth mentioning. Instead of using Polk A7's up front and a CSiA6 as my CC, I have decided to go completely in-wall again up front. Yes, that is what I originally proposed back in Jan so its come full circle! wink.gif I will be going with a 255C-RT for my CC and 265-RTs for L and R. This room is not a dedicated HT so I really wanted to keep the clutter on the screen wall to a minimum. I was getting to the point where we were going to drop $1K on a nice media stand from PB just to house the CSiA6. Combine that with the massive XV-15 I have now have in the corner (which by the way my wife and I now call "the elephant in the room" wink.gif ) and two big A7's, that screen wall was going to be pretty darn cluttered if you ask me. My wife was so excited that I was going in-wall that she probably would have been fine with me pulling the trigger on Polk's LS in-wall series! Now that would be complete overkill. Now the front wall will just consist of my screen and three in-walls each being pushed by 200 watts o' power. biggrin.gif The in-wall fronts and centers may not sound as good as the A7's and the CSiA6, but I'll bet it's pretty darn close with my XV-15 really doing the heavy lifting.
Here are a couple shots of templates taped to the wall for the final layout of speakers and screen:




I bumped the screen up another inch and a half so it's at 10.5" below the ceiling. This gives me some extra room below to get my CC speaker a bit closer to ear level. The 255C-RT also has a pivotable tweeter that will allow me to angle it upwards for a better effect.

I have had my surrounds and my rear surrounds installed for some time now. I recently hooked up my Emo to the RT-65s (surrounds) to test them out and I was absolutely blown away by difference in sound than when I had them hooked directly to my Yammy. Give these things some juice and they are a completely different speaker (only rated for 125 watts). This tells me that the 265RTs (200 watt rating) and the 255C-RT will serve me even better as fronts...especially when receiving 200 watts of juice. It is amazing to me how good the system sounds with my new sub (front of room) and just the surrounds and rears on (back of room). This is of course without my fronts or center in the equation. I am looking forward to completing the 7.1 system next week. I have a ton of tweaking to do with the sub and speakers of course...but right out of the box it sounds ten times better than I ever could have imagined.

This weekend I am going to be assembling and mounting my screen so that I can finalize it's location before cutting my holes for the fronts and center. It would be much more difficult if I cut the speaker holes and then tried to mount the screen perfectly in between them. I'll just take the screen back down and store it until I get paint on the walls. I do have to notch out a stud where the CC will be installed but that's a piece of cake.

Oh, if you know if anyone looking for a great deal on a black Polk CSiA6 center speaker, let them know it's for sale on the Classifieds forum here on AVS. Here's the link (shameless plug):

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1472914/polk-audio-csi-a6-center-speaker-black-mint-in-box
post #85 of 290
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Last night I assembled and mounted my screen so I can install my speakers this weekend. It went great. I had been second guessing myself for not going with the 110" or the 120" but now that I see it on the wall, I made the right choice. It's best for me because I didn't want my in-wall CC to be on the floor nor did I want the top of the screen too close to the ceiling.

I have to say, for the money, you just can't beat this Elite Sable screen. I was very impressed with the quality and how easily everything went together with the center joints, corner joints, fix plates and support bar. SOLID construction. It is definitely not top of the line, but it suits my needs just perfect. Great value for $250. My finger took a beating with those damn tension clips...but other than that it was a great experience. I was about 3/4 of the way thru attaching the clips before I figured out that I could use the metal mounting bracket to snap the clip in instead of the side of my finger. My fingers were already shredded by that time and I have a huge blister today to show for it.

The only complaint I have is that the wood screws they include for mounting the brackets to the wall are absolute CRAP. At first I was too lazy to go up and out to the garage to grab some better screws so I tried to make due with what they provided. Twice I had the bracket attached to the wall and the screw just snapped as I tightened down with my Dewalt. I finally did end up using my own screws. It was a pain in the neck because I was forced to move over a 1/4 to hit the stud in a fresh spot - and you only have about an inch and a half of stud to hit! Also, if you are planning to install one of these screens beware that the black velvet-like material on the frames actually can mark the walls up pretty good if you rub it when you go to hang it on the brackets (french cleat system). I will probably temporarily wrap mine (where it rubs the wall) when I go to mount it for the final time because the walls will be freshly painted at that point.







Before eating breakfast this morning, I took the kids down to see the new screen and to lay down the rules about NOT touching or poking it (yeah, we'll see how long that lasts). Think they approve? biggrin.gif

post #86 of 290
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Got the Polk 265's in last night and they are everything I had hoped for and 5 TIMES MORE. These speakers sound absolutely incredible out of the box. My father stopped over with donuts for the kids this morning and asked for a quick demo of the new system. He was blown away (so was my wife who was down there with us). WAF is creeping up so that is ALWAYS a plus too. 255C-RT arrives early next week so I'll drop that in the wall and be done with audio!

post #87 of 290
Looking good, looking very good. Glad that you are happy with the inwalls. I know that was the direction you were initially headed in. With the young'ens might be the best option for the present and near future. The other plus is like you said not dropping 1k on a "speaker stand" which you can use somewhere else in the build.

Regards,

RTROSE
post #88 of 290
Sooooo, is the 255C-RT at home now?
post #89 of 290
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Sooooo, is the 255C-RT at home now?

Indeed it is:





Installed the final speaker last night and couldn't be happier. Right out of the box these in-walls sound INCREDIBLE. I haven't even run the YPAO yet but the 7 in-walls together sound better than I ever thought they would. It will only get better as I tweak things, run the YPAO, adjust the sub, etc.

I will be taking down the screen and speakers soon so that I can start of the back wall, knock out trim work, paint walls, ceilings, etc. I had to temporarily mount the screen so I could get the speaker placements just right.

Video update to follow...
post #90 of 290
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Video update below. Slooooooow and steady. Still need blu-ray, turntable and PJ...but we're getting closer. Lots to do with very little time as the Summer is officially upon us. eek.gif

Link to YouTube - Update 3
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