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post #691 of 823
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

There is a line from a soul song that goes something like ..

"They smile in your face, all the time they wanna take your place, the Backstabbers" ..

Ruthlessness is required at this point .. and we're seeing it in spades ..

boy howdy. brenda makes a huge sacrifice giving up the bbq and time with her dad and sister....on top of that having to endure another one of dawn's boohoo weep fests only to get backstabbed in return. mad.gif
post #692 of 823
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

Brenda essentially throwing the immunitry was just plain stupid .. I was not shocked when she got voted off .. Cochran's own mother telling him she was going to win firmly placed the target on Brendas back ..

Brenda, Brenda, Brenda .. you were the last hope for a solid, good person to make it to the end .. yet that goodness is essentially what sent you home ..

Those that have said Dawn is not playing a good game .. have you changed your mind yet .. ??

There is a line from a soul song that goes something like ..

"They smile in your face, all the time they wanna take your place, the Backstabbers" ..

Ruthlessness is required at this point .. and we're seeing it in spades ..

I still think Cochrans endgame plan is to be sitting next to Eddy, Erik and/or Sherri ..

There is still a slim chance Cochran's game could get upeneded .. Eddy wins immunity, Erik, Sherri and Dawn decide Cochrans a lock for the win unless they boot him ..

But at this point, it's beginning to look like it's all over ..

It's going to be interesting to hear what Brenda has to say at final Tribal ..

Brenda was probably in some trouble either way but giving up the reward was the backbreaker. You just knew that was going to make her a target and be an easy excuse for the rest to latch on to. I was thinking at the time that there is no way I would have given it up, it paints a HUGE target on yourself and you also cheat yourself out of a fun reward. biggrin.gif

Dawn has been a critical player no doubt but she is also a loon, generally a character type that is hard to give the ultimate prize too (see Lisa W last season). I don't see how she could win, but she does have a chance if she brings in the deadweight Eddie and Sherri. But I am not sure she is smart/confident enough to do that plan on her own. She seems to need to have someone else bring up the plan and then she jumps in for the betrayal.

Any chance Dawn gets Brenda's vote? I know Brenda's emotions were raw, but even after days of Ponderosa (and group discussions), that move will still sting. It was personal to Brenda. Dawn has created too many enemies who will see her as a hypocrite.
post #693 of 823
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Originally Posted by djb5f View Post

Brenda was probably in some trouble either way but giving up the reward was the backbreaker. You just knew that was going to make her a target and be an easy excuse for the rest to latch on to. I was thinking at the time that there is no way I would have given it up, it paints a HUGE target on yourself and you also cheat yourself out of a fun reward. biggrin.gif

Dawn has been a critical player no doubt but she is also a loon, generally a character type that is hard to give the ultimate prize too (see Lisa W last season). I don't see how she could win, but she does have a chance if she brings in the deadweight Eddie and Sherri. But I am not sure she is smart/confident enough to do that plan on her own. She seems to need to have someone else bring up the plan and then she jumps in for the betrayal.

Any chance Dawn gets Brenda's vote? I know Brenda's emotions were raw, but even after days of Ponderosa (and group discussions), that move will still sting. It was personal to Brenda. Dawn has created too many enemies who will see her as a hypocrite.

Yep .. myself, although I knew Brenda was toast, really felt Dawns betrayal was so cruel on so many levels .. I looked at my wife and said "What happened to the days when at this point in the game, players would say I want to face final tribal with those that deserve to be there .. ??" .. wishful thinking these days, I know ..

I also think Dawn is somewhat dillusional, or she's playing for second place .. is she honestly convinced she can beat Cochran if she makes it .. ?? Does she honestly believe Cochran won't paint the target on her back soon .. ?? If Dawn had really really thought it thru, I believe she would have realized she might have had a better shot if Cochran had been sent packing this week ..

The remaining 5, other than Cochran and Dawn, are all goats, IMO .. it's a motley crew we see working into the final this season ..
post #694 of 823
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Originally Posted by grubadub View Post

boy howdy. brenda makes a huge sacrifice giving up the bbq and time with her dad and sister....on top of that having to endure another one of dawn's boohoo weep fests only to get backstabbed in return. mad.gif

Let's not forget the Dawn denture meltdown that Brenda saved her ..

And during the time that Dawn was making the choice to give the reward to the losers, Dawn and Sherri were just falling apart, begging Brenda with their eyes and actions to give up the reward .. and then to turn on her in so cruel a way ..

Sherries comment at tribal about Brenda being untouchable was totally uncalled for and almost like twisting the knife ..

It really would have been better if at least Dawn, who was supposed to be Brendas friend, had simply told her she was going home .. what difference would it have made other than Brenda not being blindsided .. ?? Brenda had no idol, there was nothing she could really do, yet Dawn allowed the blindside to happen and then actually smiled ..
post #695 of 823
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post


Yep .. myself, although I knew Brenda was toast, really felt Dawns betrayal was so cruel on so many levels .. I looked at my wife and said "What happened to the days when at this point in the game, players would say I want to face final tribal with those that deserve to be there .. ??" .. wishful thinking these days, I know ..

I also think Dawn is somewhat dillusional, or she's playing for second place .. is she honestly convinced she can beat Cochran if she makes it .. ?? Does she honestly believe Cochran won't paint the target on her back soon .. ?? If Dawn had really really thought it thru, I believe she would have realized she might have had a better shot if Cochran had been sent packing this week ..

The remaining 5, other than Cochran and Dawn, are all goats, IMO .. it's a motley crew we see working into the final this season ..

 

 

So, what exactly constitutes "deserves to be there" in your mind? 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post


Let's not forget the Dawn denture meltdown that Brenda saved her ..

And during the time that Dawn was making the choice to give the reward to the losers, Dawn and Sherri were just falling apart, begging Brenda with their eyes and actions to give up the reward .. and then to turn on her in so cruel a way ..

Sherries comment at tribal about Brenda being untouchable was totally uncalled for and almost like twisting the knife ..

It really would have been better if at least Dawn, who was supposed to be Brendas friend, had simply told her she was going home .. what difference would it have made other than Brenda not being blindsided .. ?? Brenda had no idol, there was nothing she could really do, yet Dawn allowed the blindside to happen and then actually smiled ..

 

 

Hmmm, I was under the impression that this was game.  How can gameplay be "cruel"?  That's like saying it's cruel to send somebody to jail in Monopoly....  It's not real life.

 

 

ron

post #696 of 823
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Originally Posted by grubadub View Post


boy howdy. brenda makes a huge sacrifice giving up the bbq and time with her dad and sister....on top of that having to endure another one of dawn's boohoo weep fests only to get backstabbed in return. mad.gif

 

You do realize that the "huge sacrifice" Brenda made was completely a strategic move, designed to garner favor from the other four right?  It wasn't something done out of compassion.  It was calculated.   To expect the others to actually view it as anything else in the context of the game was totally naive.

 

 

ron

post #697 of 823
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Originally Posted by R11 View Post


So, what exactly constitutes "deserves to be there" in your mind? 





Hmmm, I was under the impression that this was game.  How can gameplay be "cruel"?  That's like saying it's cruel to send somebody to jail in Monopoly....  It's not real life.


ron

If my personal commentary and how I feel about various players actions somehow goes against your beliefs, then I would never attempt to change your opinion .. my commentary is my commentary, I don't need to justify it as it's my personal opinion .. nor am I interested in a morality debate or analogies to Monopoly or any other board game .. although I will say that many folks spending 35 days with a group of people would begin to think of it as at least a part of their real life .. since the belief in friendship is part of real life, is it not .. ??

You do understand the concept of personal opinion .. ?? I'm entitled to mine as well as you are entitiled to yours ..
post #698 of 823
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Originally Posted by R11 View Post

You do realize that the "huge sacrifice" Brenda made was completely a strategic move, designed to garner favor from the other four right?  It wasn't something done out of compassion.  It was calculated.   To expect the others to actually view it as anything else in the context of the game was totally naive.


ron

While I would agree that the move had a degree of strategic thought, there are actually people left (a few at least) that do some things selflessly as well .. I tend to believe Brenda made the move partially from a strategic standpoint and partially because she felt it was simply the right thing to do .. the good of the majority, IOW .. and plays right into the advice her Dad gave her prior to the show .. “Be humble.”

Probst thoughts ....

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/05/09/jeff-probst-survivor-caramoan-episode-13/
post #699 of 823
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

While I would agree that the move had a degree of strategic thought, there are actually people left (a few at least) that do some things selflessly as well .. I tend to believe Brenda made the move partially from a strategic standpoint and partially because she felt it was simply the right thing to do .. the good of the majority, IOW .. and plays right into the advice her Dad gave her prior to the show .. “Be humble.”

Probst thoughts ....

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/05/09/jeff-probst-survivor-caramoan-episode-13/

you beat me to it...especially the part of her dad's admonition to be humble...

let's face it, she was between a rock and hard place
post #700 of 823
Oh boy, I can't WAIT to ff through "Fallen Comrades" on Sunday....
post #701 of 823
I think it is absolute insanity for any player to win the reward challenges like the family visit or some of the individual picnic style rewards. We know from years past that the winner will be placed in the uncomfortable position of choosing others to reward and reject the others. It is a classic Star Trek Kobiyashi Maru test - an unwinnable situation. You will be creating animosity with some players no matter what choice you make.

I have told my wife many times that if I was ever on Survivor, I would expect her to tank the family competition so I didn't win it. It really makes no sense to intentionally do something that will hamper your efforts to win the title.
post #702 of 823
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Oh boy, I can't WAIT to ff through "Fallen Comrades" on Sunday....

I know others don't enjoy that either, but I kind of like it. It is quick and brings the season back in perspective, it is easy to forget about the people voted out early. also, sometimes one of the finalists has a good jab at one of the departed, but yes, all too often, it is platitudes.
post #703 of 823
Brenda could of beaten Dawn in the IC, that was her mistake.
post #704 of 823
One thing about it, Cochran & Dawn's play on last nights episode might sway the $100,000 more Malcolm's way ... can't wait to watch the Ponderosa & After Shows when they pop up.
post #705 of 823
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post


If my personal commentary and how I feel about various players actions somehow goes against your beliefs, then I would never attempt to change your opinion .. my commentary is my commentary, I don't need to justify it as it's my personal opinion .. nor am I interested in a morality debate or analogies to Monopoly or any other board game .. although I will say that many folks spending 35 days with a group of people would begin to think of it as at least a part of their real life .. since the belief in friendship is part of real life, is it not .. ??

You do understand the concept of personal opinion .. ?? I'm entitled to mine as well as you are entitiled to yours ..

 

 

Whoa!  Easy there brother smile.gif.   Nobody said you weren't entitled to your opinion.  I was just curious as to what you considered deserving to see how you came to it.  It's the same reason I watch the show, because behavior and thought process are very interesting to me.  Since you seem a little touchy this morning I will only say that Dawn has also been spending 35 days on the island with Cochran, whom she has been closely aligned and strategizing with from the very beginning, while Brenda reportedly spent the first half of the game sitting down by the surf singing to herself most of the time and not strategizing with anyone.  What makes one more deserving than the other?    She also has "friendship" with Cochran as well.  This game is designed to create emotional turmoil and last night it clearly worked, both for players and fans biggrin.gif.  I thought it was an awesome episode to watch. 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post


While I would agree that the move had a degree of strategic thought, there are actually people left (a few at least) that do some things selflessly as well .. I tend to believe Brenda made the move partially from a strategic standpoint and partially because she felt it was simply the right thing to do .. the good of the majority, IOW .. and plays right into the advice her Dad gave her prior to the show .. “Be humble.”

Probst thoughts ....

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/05/09/jeff-probst-survivor-caramoan-episode-13/

 

 

Brenda's confessionals after the challenge show that she was thinking in terms of game play the whole time.  She said she was, "praying it was the right decision" and talked about how any big moves, good or bad, can be a double edged sword.  She further explained how they might never vote her out because they "owed her", or it could be "boom, she's gone".  She understood what she was doing when she made the choice, but she over estimated her hoped for result. 

post #706 of 823
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Originally Posted by dfergie View Post

One thing about it, Cochran & Dawn's play on last nights episode might sway the $100,000 more Malcolm's way ... can't wait to watch the Ponderosa & After Shows when they pop up.

 

 

Hard to say since he's got so much fan support already.  Obviously some people will feel sorry for Brenda and vote for her.  I suspect anybody that would have voted for Cochran before the episode will feel even more strongly that he deserves it after last night.  I think it's safe to say that it surely didn't improve Dawn's chances biggrin.gif

 

 

ron

post #707 of 823
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Originally Posted by WaTaGuMp View Post

Brenda could of beaten Dawn in the IC, that was her mistake.

I am not sure and of course we will never know but I did notice that Brenda was using an underhand grip and Dawn was using an overhand grip. I am not sure if overhand or underhand grip is by design better or if it would make a difference.

Barry
post #708 of 823
I also think as others have stated that "winning" this challenge is very risky as either choice could be your downfall. Brenda's real mistake was in winning the challenge!

Barry
Edited by blb1215 - 5/9/13 at 1:11pm
post #709 of 823
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I am not sure and of course we will never know but I did notice that Brenda was using an underhand grip and Dawn was using an overhand grip. I am not sure if overhand or underhand grip is by design better or if it would make a difference.

Barry

I got the impression from Brenda's interview she let Dawn win.
post #710 of 823
That's easy to say AFTER you loss!

Barry
post #711 of 823
Dawn offered a deal to let her win and she refused. If she was going to let her win it seems it would be better to say OK and jump in, that way Dawn would possible be grateful to Brenda. By refusing the deal and continuing until she fell in Dawn could possible hold it against her even though Dawn said she understood the Brenda wanted to challenge herself.

Barry
post #712 of 823
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Originally Posted by blb1215 View Post

Dawn offered a deal to let her win and she refused. If she was going to let her win it seems it would be better to say OK and jump in, that way Dawn would possible be grateful to Brenda. By refusing the deal and continuing until she fell in Dawn could possible hold it against her even though Dawn said she understood the Brenda wanted to challenge herself.

Barry
The way I saw it was she wanted to win as she had never won immunity before and wanted Brenda to give in then, Brenda refused...
post #713 of 823
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post


"They smile in your face, all the time they wanna take your place, the Backstabbers" ..

Boy did that quote bring back some old memories. By the O'Jays, right?
post #714 of 823
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Originally Posted by R11 View Post


Whoa!  Easy there brother smile.gif .   Nobody said you weren't entitled to your opinion.  I was just curious as to what you considered deserving to see how you came to it.  It's the same reason I watch the show, because behavior and thought process are very interesting to me.  Since you seem a little touchy this morning I will only say that Dawn has also been spending 35 days on the island with Cochran, whom she has been closely aligned and strategizing with from the very beginning, while Brenda reportedly spent the first half of the game sitting down by the surf singing to herself most of the time and not strategizing with anyone.  What makes one more deserving than the other?    She also has "friendship" with Cochran as well.  This game is designed to create emotional turmoil and last night it clearly worked, both for players and fans biggrin.gif .  I thought it was an awesome episode to watch. 





Brenda's confessionals after the challenge show that she was thinking in terms of game play the whole time.  She said she was, "praying it was the right decision" and talked about how any big moves, good or bad, can be a double edged sword.  She further explained how they might never vote her out because they "owed her", or it could be "boom, she's gone".  She understood what she was doing when she made the choice, but she over estimated her hoped for result. 

I did misunderstand your post and I offer my apology for that .. I thought for some reason you were calling me out ...

So, on the question of what in my opinion constitutes a player deserving to be at the final tribal .. well, I know many fans believe it's anything goes short of bodily harm and I understand that .. and I also believe it's logical .. how you get there is secondary to being there, because a player has a million reasons to just get there ..

However, I personally believe that if a player has any sense of honor, they should not sell that out .. and yes, I know it's wishful thinking .. I personally don't care for players like Fairplay, Russell Hantz .. etc

I don't watch the confessionals and perhaps I should in order to gain some additional insight ..

And again, apologies for being thin skinned earlier today .. smile.gif
post #715 of 823
They had me fooled for a while (maybe that was the intention) but now they are back to their end game.

Strangely happy to lose 1 million, unless you knew you had no chance.
25 backstabbing seasons, and you give away immunity.... again.
Does anyone remember anybody do a good thing on survivor and not get voted immediately?
Great lessons for kids. Crime doesn't pay, but good people finish last always (on survivor).
post #716 of 823
You are correct. Dawn didn't offer her a "deal" she just wanted Brenda to let her win but my point remains the same, if Brenda was going to throw the challenge and let her win she should have agreed when Dawn asked and just dropped.

Barry
post #717 of 823
Brenda has earned respect this season (gracious helper, strong competitor, generally honest). And given the fact that she is supermodel-gorgeous, she can have a career in front of the camera if she wants that. Whatever she chooses, I expect she will succeed in life far more than most of those who got farther in this season of "Survivor."
post #718 of 823
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Originally Posted by WaTaGuMp View Post

I got the impression from Brenda's interview she let Dawn win.

that's the impression i got too. but it didn't look like she let her win. it looked like she was trying her hardest right up to letting go.

oh well. another season where my personal fave doesn't make it. nothing new there. in the preview, did they allude to a possible med evac? it looked like someone was in distress.
post #719 of 823
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Originally Posted by IAM4UK View Post

And given the fact that she is supermodel-gorgeous, she can have a career in front of the camera if she wants that. Whatever she chooses, I expect she will succeed in life far more than most of those who got farther in this season of "Survivor."

Supermodel-gorgeous??

Please.....

rolleyes.gif..
post #720 of 823
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Originally Posted by IAM4UK View Post

Brenda has earned respect this season (gracious helper, strong competitor, generally honest). And given the fact that she is supermodel-gorgeous, she can have a career in front of the camera if she wants that. Whatever she chooses, I expect she will succeed in life far more than most of those who got farther in this season of "Survivor."

I don't think she's supermodel-gorgeous at all, but I sure do agree with your assessment of her chances for success in life...
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