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post #301 of 689

Hi all, new to the forum..

 

         Has anyone got this soundbar to work with the PS4?? I have it plugged in with the optical cable to my Vizio TV and last night was finally able to get the dts/dolby symbol to light up on the bar. It worked for both my hdmi connected ps3 and hdmi connected cable box (switching through channels). From what I' ve read this indicates true 5.1 sound. For whatever reason my PS4 which is also connected to the tv via hdmi is not displaying this symbol unless I plug the optical cable directly into the PS4. I don't understand what the issue is since it appears that my tv can send the true 5.1 sound (as indicated by the lights) to both my PS3 and my cable box but not the PS4. Any suggestions or help would be greatly appreciated

post #302 of 689
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Originally Posted by HiTekAlex View Post

What do you guys think about getting a 54" 3.0 soundbar with external Subwoofer.. as compared to 42" 5.1 setup? 54" soundbar supports external subs, so effectively it's 3.1 versus 5.1 systems. Since 54" supports HDMI with ARC, it's a cleaner setup without the need to mess around with HDMI switches etc.

How do you think the sound compares between these two setups for DD sources?

the subwoofer connection on the 3.0 system is a plug in connector. I would rather opt for a different brand to get a wireless sub
post #303 of 689
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Originally Posted by bowlopho View Post

the subwoofer connection on the 3.0 system is a plug in connector. I would rather opt for a different brand to get a wireless sub

Like what? What would be the 5.1 soundbar system that supports wireless Sub/Surrounds, and HDMI inputs? I am not finding anything comparable to Vizio stuff.
post #304 of 689
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Originally Posted by HiTekAlex View Post

Like what? What would be the 5.1 soundbar system that supports wireless Sub/Surrounds, and HDMI inputs? I am not finding anything comparable to Vizio stuff.

you asked about 3.0 / 3.1 with external sub setup that is not wirelessly linked and I meant I would opt for a different 2.1 setup that has a wireless sub then the vizio 3.0 soundbar. Something like the yamaha yas201. I am pretty sure a 3.1 and 2.1 is more comparable than a 3.1 to 5.1 setup.

or simply keep waiting for the 5.1 54" in version of the vizio to come out. It's only a matter of time, first the releas the 54" 3.0 system let people buy that then introduce the 5.1 system.
post #305 of 689
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Originally Posted by bowlopho View Post

...or simply keep waiting for the 5.1 54" in version of the vizio to come out. It's only a matter of time, first the releas the 54" 3.0 system let people buy that then introduce the 5.1 system.

You might want to call Vizio, as I did today, and let them know you want the 54" 5.1 version. I had a frustrating conversation with one of the pleasant reps at Vizio who knew nothing about it, and then pointed out that not everything shown at CES makes it to market. A staggering thought, given the market for such a soundbar, and the great number of articles and previews written about it . I requested that she send my complaint/suggestion up the line, and I think the more such calls the better...
post #306 of 689
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Originally Posted by HiTekAlex View Post

What do you guys think about getting a 54" 3.0 soundbar with external Subwoofer.. as compared to 42" 5.1 setup? 54" soundbar supports external subs, so effectively it's 3.1 versus 5.1 systems. Since 54" supports HDMI with ARC, it's a cleaner setup without the need to mess around with HDMI switches etc.

How do you think the sound compares between these two setups for DD sources?
i just bought the 54" with the intentions of using my existing 10" sub. my vizio e series has hdmi ARC and digital out. do i simply plug an hdmi cable from the tv to the soundbar? or would there be no difference between ARC and digital out?

also, would the audio output from my tv be true surround sound?
post #307 of 689
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Originally Posted by jc4383 View Post

Hi all, new to the forum..

         Has anyone got this soundbar to work with the PS4?? I have it plugged in with the optical cable to my Vizio TV and last night was finally able to get the dts/dolby symbol to light up on the bar. It worked for both my hdmi connected ps3 and hdmi connected cable box (switching through channels). From what I' ve read this indicates true 5.1 sound. For whatever reason my PS4 which is also connected to the tv via hdmi is not displaying this symbol unless I plug the optical cable directly into the PS4. I don't understand what the issue is since it appears that my tv can send the true 5.1 sound (as indicated by the lights) to both my PS3 and my cable box but not the PS4. Any suggestions or help would be greatly appreciated

What TV do you have? Make/model?

If you said it worked with the PS3 and cable box then sound like an issue with the PS4. The cable box still works passing 5.1 right? So points to something with the PS4. Check your audio and playback settings on the PS4 maybe a setting change needed.

Worst switch w/ a xbox one which sound like it will support 5.1 soon smile.gif.

Or just enjoy the simulated surround smile.gif.
post #308 of 689
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Originally Posted by DieselClown View Post

i just bought the 54" with the intentions of using my existing 10" sub. my vizio e series has hdmi ARC and digital out. do i simply plug an hdmi cable from the tv to the soundbar? or would there be no difference between ARC and digital out?

also, would the audio output from my tv be true surround sound?

As I recall the ARC only carries 5.1 from sources that originate from the TV (OTA, native) so you don't need to run an optical from the TV to the sound bar. Just run a hdmi from the Hdmi marked ARC usually HDMI1 from the TV to the sound bar. Then whatever was in that HDMI1 would plug into the sound bar. Essentially the sound bar would be a HDMI pass-thru stripping out the digital sound.

So something like this:
Blu-ray ---HDMI---> Sound Bar ---HDMI---> TV HDMI ARC input.

In theory you should get true 5.1 from:
- blu-ray, the sound bar stripping the digital audio off the HDMI
- TV native apps and OTA from the ARC

So this frees up your optical to connect to a PS4/Xbox one.

Of course just realize we're taking about a 3.0 system in which case 5.1 won't matter redface.gif. Although I believe that bar also produces a simulated surround off the 3 channels.

How are you planning to hide the wires feeding the sub from the sound bar? Plus all the HDMI wires too which are thicker than the optical smile.gif.

One of the elegant things with sound bars with wireless sub is cutting out all the clutter wink.gif.

My DW hates the wires/clutter so even though an extra digital input would mean a better quality audio experience, appearance sometimes trump aural frown.gif.
Edited by Netpenguin - 12/15/13 at 12:02pm
post #309 of 689
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Originally Posted by Netpenguin View Post


What TV do you have? Make/model?

If you said it worked with the PS3 and cable box then sound like an issue with the PS4. The cable box still works passing 5.1 right? So points to something with the PS4. Check your audio and playback settings on the PS4 maybe a setting change needed.

Worst switch w/ a xbox one which sound like it will support 5.1 soon smile.gif.

Or just enjoy the simulated surround smile.gif.


Its a vizio m420nv..Ive since figured it out..the PS4 doesn't send 5.1 through hdmi like my ps3 and cable box do..at least not yet. Going with a optical switch until its patched

post #310 of 689
Hi,

I recently bought this soundbar and a new samsung UN55FH6030 3d TV. I have a question that I hope you guys can answer me. I'm trying to get HDMI to passthrough all digital audio (DD5.1, etc) from the TV optical port and I think it is working, but I'm not sure if I'm getting a true DD5.1 sound. On the TV, I was only able to get PCM optical out option and DD was grayed out. I then went into my Verizon Fios STB service menu and selected HDMI passthrough. After doing that I was able to select Dolby digital out on the TV through optical to the Vizio soundbar. After that, every channel I select on the Verizon STB the Dolby digital sign on the soundbar would lights up on the sound bar. Even when the Fios program does not indicate DD is available, the soundbar DD sign lights up. I tried HD channels as well as SD channels and I get the same thing. My question is that does the Verizon Fios STB sends all audio digitally and hence I'm getting the DD sign lights up on the sound bar all the time? On some programs when they specify DD5.1 is available, I do hear sound on the rear speakers. However, sometimes I get nothing on the rears speakers even the DD sign lights up.

How do I know I'm really getting true 5.1 surround song or simulated surround sound?

Let's say I'm getting DD sound and the DD signs light up but no sound coming out of the rear speaker, how do I get sound to come out on the rear speakers? Is there a setting where I can force the sound to come out on the rear speakers eventhough the program does not has DD5.1?

Thanks in advance.
post #311 of 689
What happens when you directly hook the Verizon STB to the sound bar? Same behavior?

On the remote there are settings for the rears to set the volume.

Remember rears are surround/ambience so if the content is mainly talking it'll just be the fronts. Not every scene will produce sound in the rears and it's meant to be more subtle than a direct sound source.

Enjoy!
post #312 of 689
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Originally Posted by Netpenguin View Post

What happens when you directly hook the Verizon STB to the sound bar? Same behavior?

On the remote there are settings for the rears to set the volume.

Remember rears are surround/ambience so if the content is mainly talking it'll just be the fronts. Not every scene will produce sound in the rears and it's meant to be more subtle than a direct sound source.

Enjoy!

Thanks for your reply Netpenguin. I'll try to hook up directly from the verizon STB to the soundbar and see what happens. I think I did do that on the first day I got the soundbar but I didn't see the DD signs lights up. I'll try again.

I'll try to adjust the rear speakers volume. I want it to be a bit louder.

Thanks.
post #313 of 689
Any updates on a consensus rear speaker stand for this setup?
post #314 of 689
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Originally Posted by Possumgirl View Post

You likely ARE getting 5.1 audio from all sources. I see you have a Sony HDTV. Sony has been an exception to the 2ch. stereo issue for some time. People with other brands do not have that luxury, although as I said before, sometimes a particular combination of source device/TV will defy the "rule". eek.gif

Just wanted to chime in on this so its out there for others searching for the info. My new Vizio m601d-a3 tv also outputs 5.1 over optical for everything hooked up to it (TV apps, Bluray player and an Apple TV).
post #315 of 689
Does the 5.1 Vizio display if it is receiving DD or DTS and if so where? Reading this thread I get the impression it does but have not seen it anywhere on mine and have devices hooked straight to the soundbar not from the TV toslink
post #316 of 689
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Originally Posted by CaptPJB View Post

Does the 5.1 Vizio display if it is receiving DD or DTS and if so where? Reading this thread I get the impression it does but have not seen it anywhere on mine and have devices hooked straight to the soundbar not from the TV toslink

the bottom left corner of the sound bar where you see the |||||||||||| indicator bars, to the right of the bars, there is a DTS that will light up.
post #317 of 689
sorry double post. how do I delete?
Edited by bowlopho - 12/23/13 at 2:11pm
post #318 of 689
Many thanks
post #319 of 689
Duplicate post
Edited by crayzieap - 12/27/13 at 7:27pm
post #320 of 689
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Originally Posted by JDMxB View Post

Any updates on a consensus rear speaker stand for this setup?

Recommend these. No bending or drilling. Only parts needed is two M4 nuts. If you used the M4 screws supplied by Vizio to mount the center soundbar then you'll need the M4 flat phillips screws as well.

Basically mount the supplied satellite brackets to the speakers from Vizio. Construct the stand and use one of the washers supplied from the stands in conjunction with the M4 screw and nut and secure. No bending. No nothing. Just remember to use to long L brackets supplied from the stands during construction. Both the bracket from Vizio and the stands lineup up great.

Got mine in black. Good luck!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000289DCG/ref=mp_s_a_1_11?qid=1388128056&sr=1-11

Images of stand with Vizio speakers:

http://imgur.com/a/aTS4r
Edited by crayzieap - 12/27/13 at 7:41pm
post #321 of 689
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Originally Posted by crayzieap View Post

Recommend these. No bending or drilling. Only parts needed is two M4 nuts. If you used the M4 screws supplied by Vizio to mount the center soundbar then you'll need the M4 flat phillips screws as well.

Basically mount the supplied satellite brackets to the speakers from Vizio. Construct the stand and use one of the washers supplied from the stands in conjunction with the M4 screw and nut and secure. No bending. No nothing. Just remember to use to long L brackets supplied from the stands during construction. Both the bracket from Vizio and the stands lineup up great.

Got mine in black. Good luck!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000289DCG/ref=mp_s_a_1_11?qid=1388128056&sr=1-11

Images of stand with Vizio speakers:

http://imgur.com/a/aTS4r

Wow, thanks so much for the amazing post!!!

Looks like the availability of the black ones are few and far between, gonna check out the Ti ones at Frys tomorrow morning and may just pick up a set to finally get the rear satellites hooked up.

Thanks again!!
post #322 of 689

I just got this sound bar last week at Costco and I love it and it is now paired with a new vizio 60" but the sound bar has now started a popping noise/static noise yesterday, I was playing with it today and when I went into the audio settings of my TV and changed it to Dolby Digital from PCM it seems to have stopped  haven't tested too long but it was fine all week at PCM and if I turn off the sub/rear speakers it still does the popping noise on the main sound bar itself but it does it on all speakers when it's on and when I change channels on the TV anyone experience this?

post #323 of 689
Setting your output to digital rather than PCM is correct if you want proper sound from all your 5 speakers. Static generally means you have a loose or bad cable somewhere.
post #324 of 689
Anyone else getting a low level hiss/static from the rear speakers during low volume? A simple test to try this out is to quickly pair the phone to the speaker for some music and set the volume to only 1 LED so its quiet. The center speakers and sub woofer is perfectly clear during low volume play. However, when I put my ear to the rear speaker I can hear a low level hiss/static.

It's not really noticeable as myy ears have to be really close (6" or less) to even hear the static sound. I'm thinking this has something to do with the wireless aspect of the sub/rear speakers. I know some wireless headphones will do the same thing. I have a wireless pair that don't have any hiss/static but they're also more expensive.

So my guess would be that Vizio allowed this to help keep the price down? Also I've eliminated the possibility with the audio source being "simulated" or not truly digital by connecting the speakers directly to my PS3. The "Digital" light signal will turn on for 2 seconds, signaling that its truly digital however lowering the volume to 1 LED light results in the same static problem for only the rear satellite speakers.

Also I've eliminated any issue with a ground loop since the humming at low volume isnt happening to all speakers. Only the rear satellites at low volume. When the volume is turned up, it seems to pick up the signal better an eliminate any of the static issue. Again, it seems like my guess is that the signals transmitted to the subwoofer and then into the rears is getting distorted? Maybe this is something where another firmware update could improve on it? That's unless of course it has to do with the onboard circuit issue being too cheap or low quality.

Personally, I'd rather have the lower price on a system like this since I don't listen to the rear speakers right next to my hear (like I do with headphones). But I can see where that could initially be cause for concern.
Edited by crayzieap - 12/31/13 at 10:14am
post #325 of 689
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Originally Posted by naustin View Post

Setting your output to digital rather than PCM is correct if you want proper sound from all your 5 speakers. Static generally means you have a loose or bad cable somewhere.

I appreciate the response and have made the change, I am curious though when I have it on PCM is the sound on the rear speakers a faux sound vs setting it in dolby digital ( I hear less sound when in DD).  PCM to me seems to give me a more surround sound but I'm not sure that's what my wife and I have noticed at least compared to setting it to DD on the TV and cable box.  Looking in the manual our TV's supports this for the optical audio out.

 

• PCm stream (lossless)
• dolby digital 5.1 Channel
• dTs 5.1 Channel
• digital Connection
• audio signal only

 

Our Cable box audio settings lists PCM and Dolby Digital (AC3) Thanks

post #326 of 689
I noticed the same thing when switching to DD from PCM.
The rear speakers seem much lower.
post #327 of 689
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Originally Posted by dwold12 View Post

I appreciate the response and have made the change, I am curious though when I have it on PCM is the sound on the rear speakers a faux sound vs setting it in dolby digital ( I hear less sound when in DD).  PCM to me seems to give me a more surround sound but I'm not sure that's what my wife and I have noticed at least compared to setting it to DD on the TV and cable box.  Looking in the manual our TV's supports this for the optical audio out.

• PCm stream (lossless)

• dolby digital 5.1 Channel

• dTs 5.1 Channel

• digital Connection

• audio signal only

Our Cable box audio settings lists PCM and Dolby Digital (AC3) Thanks
You are correct PCM is giving more sound over the rear speakers since its "simulated not actual digital 5.1" As examples I use my AVR with 5.1 speakers and rarely hear things from them, Maybe a chirping bird or a door closing etc. They provide an occasional surround noise when needed. If I play a stereo CD nothing on the 5.1 system except the 2 RL speakers, though I can change settings to a 5.1 stereo and get sound from 5 speakers but it is not as the original artist and sound engineers intended. Still its all a matter of preference.

Oh by the way if you set a device to digital rather than PCM, volume levels drop so you will find yourself using higher volume settings than before the change.
post #328 of 689
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Originally Posted by naustin View Post

You are correct PCM is giving more sound over the rear speakers since its "simulated not actual digital 5.1" As examples I use my AVR with 5.1 speakers and rarely hear things from them, Maybe a chirping bird or a door closing etc. They provide an occasional surround noise when needed. If I play a stereo CD nothing on the 5.1 system except the 2 RL speakers, though I can change settings to a 5.1 stereo and get sound from 5 speakers but it is not as the original artist and sound engineers intended. Still its all a matter of preference.

Oh by the way if you set a device to digital rather than PCM, volume levels drop so you will find yourself using higher volume settings than before the change.

Thanks for the clarification. I have a better understanding at least and some more googling.
post #329 of 689
Previously mentioned in an earlier post when my tv audio is set to pcm as well as cable box I get a popping sound when I change channels. It originally worked fine as the sound bar is about 2 weeks old and the tv is less than a week old. I tried a new cable and made sure there is no loose connections but it goes away when I change it from pcm to dolby digital on both the tv and cable box. Preference wise we like PCM but I understand dolby digital is the correct output. Should I exchange the sound bar possibly it's connected to the tv via toslink and when we watched a movie last night we heard one popping sound but the audio was low so my wife and I couldn't make it out for sure anyone experience this?
post #330 of 689
dwold12,

I just got the same Vizio TV this weekend and have ordered the same soundbar today. I hope to have it in a few days. Right now BB has a special for the sound bar and they throw in speaker stands. Currently I'm using an older Sony Soundbar because it has HDMI connections and internal switching, my old TV only had one HDMI in.

Anyway, I found this thread in hopes in finding out the best settings to use on the TV with the new Vizio sound bar (more on that later)

For your problem there may be a firmware fix update, if you go here:

http://store.vizio.com/s4251wb4.html

Down the page they show the fix and describe it this way:
Quote:
Firmware

Firmware update version 1017 for the VIZIO S4251w-B4 Sound Bar. Download and follow the instructions below to update your S4251w-B4. This update addresses audio dropout on some units when changing channels using your Cable or Satellite Set Top Box. If you do not experience this issue, it is not necessary to update your sound bar.

I'm not exactly sure if this is your issue but I thought it worth mentioning.

I also saw in the user manuals that you need to set the Vizio TV speakers to "Off" in order to get DTS through to the output be it HDMI or Optical.

It sound like the best way to have the setup is to put the speakers on the TV to off and fixed volume, digital out to Bitstream and hook the optical out on the TV to the Soundbar. This is more of a question than a statement though.

FYI the usermanual for the Vizio TV is here:

http://store.vizio.com/documents/downloads/hdtv/E701iA3/UM_E701iA3.pdf (60 & 70" uses the same manual)

and the sound bar is here:

http://store.vizio.com/documents/downloads/accessories/S4251W-B4/QSG_S4251WB4.pdf

When I get my soundbar I wonder if the new firmware will be in it or not? I hate to flash things unless I need to.

Happy New Year everyone.

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