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I replaced my old Onkyo 7.1 system with this Vizio S4251. I had just installed the Vizio S3821 in the bedroom and it works great, so I thought the new one with rear surround sound wired to the wireless subwoofer would be a perfect replacement for the Onkyo. My rear surround speakers are mounted in the wall and are wired back behind the Vizio TV and blu-ray player. The small rear speakers that come with the S4251 are OK, but I did not want any wires, so I soldered the RCA connector adapters onto the ends of my speaker wires and plugged them into the Vizio wireless subwoofer that is placed in the front next to the soundbar. This makes a perfect installation. The sound is awesome and I do not miss the Onkyo at all. For those that have existing wired rear speakers, don't hesitate to hook them up to the subwoofer. 

You can see the speaker wire stub-outs just above the subwoofer. 

post #392 of 694

Here are the RCA adapters that you  can use to attach in-wall speakers to the subwoofer.

 

post #393 of 694

Where can I buy this?

 

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Originally Posted by smokinss View Post
 

Here are the RCA adapters that you  can use to attach in-wall speakers to the subwoofer.

 

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Originally Posted by shnxx View Post

Amazon?
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Yes, I was not able to post the link to Amazon due to forum restrictions, but if you put in this description, it should come up for $16.77:

IEC 18 AWG 6' Speaker Wire Pair with RCA Males - Black/Red

You can also get it in 1' length like I did for only $11.77:

IEC 18 AWG 1-Feet Speaker Wire Pair with RCA Males - Black/Red

post #397 of 694
Question everyone..... Has anyone else noticed that just using RCA cables incorporates the rear speakers more then optical!!!
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Originally Posted by JD4L View Post

Question everyone..... Has anyone else noticed that just using RCA cables incorporates the rear speakers more then optical!!!
You have rear speakers on a soundbar? Probably because you are listening to stereo vs surround sound.
post #399 of 694
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Originally Posted by JD4L View Post

Question everyone..... Has anyone else noticed that just using RCA cables incorporates the rear speakers more then optical!!!
If you aren't using the Toslink or optical coax connect, you are not EVER going to get 5.1 digital sound. Read your manual for more info.
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Originally Posted by naustin View Post

If you aren't using the Toslink or optical coax connect, you are not EVER going to get 5.1 digital sound. Read your manual for more info.

Yes I know and I have both the optical and RCA cords hooked up so I can observe diff movies an tv shows just pressing input on the remote... And with RCA you get more surround sound.. With optical most of the sound switches to the front soundbar it is more crips and better sounding from the front but sometimes the rear speakers go from a lot of sound using rc to zero sound with optical while viewing the exat same scene in a movie or show
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Originally Posted by JD4L View Post

Yes I know and I have both the optical and RCA cords hooked up so I can observe diff movies an tv shows just pressing input on the remote... And with RCA you get more surround sound.. With optical most of the sound switches to the front soundbar it is more crips and better sounding from the front but sometimes the rear speakers go from a lot of sound using rc to zero sound with optical while viewing the exat same scene in a movie or show
Sounds like the RCA may not be delivering true surround. More sound in the rear doesn't mean your getting true surround and is more inline with stereo sound.
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Originally Posted by mercennarius View Post

Sounds like the RCA may not be delivering true surround. More sound in the rear doesn't mean your getting true surround and is more inline with stereo sound.
Exactly. RCA does not support multichannel audio.
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Originally Posted by JD4L View Post

Yes I know and I have both the optical and RCA cords hooked up so I can observe diff movies an tv shows just pressing input on the remote... And with RCA you get more surround sound.. With optical most of the sound switches to the front soundbar it is more crips and better sounding from the front but sometimes the rear speakers go from a lot of sound using rc to zero sound with optical while viewing the exat same scene in a movie or show
You are switching from 5.1 to 2.0.
post #404 of 694
I've been living with the soundbar now for a few weeks. I have a Vizio E601i-A3 TV using the optical (5.1 output) out to the soundbar. Inputs are all HDMI: HDTV-Cablebox, WD-TV Live Plus and a Sony Blue Ray player.

I've been very happy with the sound bar after some fiddling with the settings. Great sound relative to what I replaced (Sony HT-CT150) and the extra features like Bluetooth and rear speakers make it a no brainier for me. At first the subwoofer was over powering. Some of that was just the location I have to put it, in a corner, under the end table beside the couch. I have the sub down one notch the center up almost all the way and basically everything else in the center. I find it better with the truesound on. I can hear the dialogue a lot better. Most everything comes through as true 5.1 (the little light comes on for a second) I forgot how much I missed the rear speakers. Not a lot comes out of them, a fly buzz and bullet richoches during Breaking Bad , clinking and clanking of silverware in restaurant scenes. It's working out better than I expected. For the price, it's hard to beat. It took me a while but have everything working through my Harmony 890 remote.

I'm glad I found this thread, it's been very helpful, thanks!

Pete
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

You are switching from 5.1 to 2.0.

Yeah I know I just wish on 5.1 the rear speakers would be used as much as they are with rca
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Originally Posted by JD4L View Post

Yeah I know I just wish on 5.1 the rear speakers would be used as much as they are with rca

then blame the producer for not utilizing 5.1 like how you want it to be. LOL,

You should watch an action movie where the person is running through a crowded city. See if you're getting noise from your rear speakers like you expect to get it. why? because there is background noise all around in a crowded city.
post #407 of 694

I have a vizio TV connected to this.

 

Do u use SRS trusurround?

Do you use the Dolby or the PCM?

Anything else?

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Originally Posted by shnxx View Post

I have a vizio TV connected to this.

Do u use SRS trusurround?
Do you use the Dolby or the PCM?
Anything else?

I've tried all of the settings I'm pretty sure.. And I also am running mine with a vizio tv I have my srs and truvolume on and on my tv I settings i have them on as well. No have it set to bitstream
post #409 of 694
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Originally Posted by bowlopho View Post

then blame the producer for not utilizing 5.1 like how you want it to be. LOL,

You should watch an action movie where the person is running through a crowded city. See if you're getting noise from your rear speakers like you expect to get it. why? because there is background noise all around in a crowded city.

But what I don't get is how come like regular late night talk shows even use the rear speakers more when switching from optical to RCA??
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Originally Posted by JD4L View Post


I've tried all of the settings I'm pretty sure.. And I also am running mine with a vizio tv I have my srs and truvolume on and on my tv I settings i have them on as well. No have it set to bitstream

pcm or dolby?

post #411 of 694
Dolby when available
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I feel stupid even asking this question since I've had the soundbar for months and thought I knew everything about it, but I have seen a lot of comments about the SRS Trusurround setting, but I haven't seen any setting for that.  Is this something we can enable via the remote or would it come from the source?

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Originally Posted by sixofsvn View Post

I feel stupid even asking this question since I've had the soundbar for months and thought I knew everything about it, but I have seen a lot of comments about the SRS Trusurround setting, but I haven't seen any setting for that.  Is this something we can enable via the remote or would it come from the source?


The tv it's connected to asks for it.
Not the soundbar
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Originally Posted by JD4L View Post

But what I don't get is how come like regular late night talk shows even use the rear speakers more when switching from optical to RCA??

what are you hearing from the rear speakers? You should be hearing background noise, like only the crowd cheering, maybe some laughing, maybe some side talking

imagine if you were in the audience, and your talk host was infront of you, you shouldn't hear him from the rear speakers.
post #415 of 694
That is what I hear clapping and cheers from the audience but as soon as I switch to optical pretty much all of the sound goes to the front bar
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Originally Posted by JD4L View Post

That is what I hear clapping and cheers from the audience but as soon as I switch to optical pretty much all of the sound goes to the front bar
This must be the first "surround system" youve had.
Edited by Bond 007 - 1/24/14 at 11:04am
post #417 of 694
Yup I never really considered one until Black Friday I saw this one for only 199 so I fig I'd return if I don't like it but I love just trying to understand why the "good" cables produce more rear sound then the "best" cables an still trying to fig out what settings fit me best
post #418 of 694
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Originally Posted by JD4L View Post

Yup I never really considered one until Black Friday I saw this one for only 199 so I fig I'd return if I don't like it but I love just trying to understand why the "good" cables produce more rear sound then the "best" cables an still trying to fig out what settings fit me best
Its not really the cables that make the difference exactly. Its the difference between 2.0 and 5.1 that really matters to what youre hearing. If theres a way to switch between "surround" and "stereo" on the soundbar while using the optical cable you would experience the exact same thing.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surround_sound
Edited by Bond 007 - 1/24/14 at 11:37am
post #419 of 694
Doesn't the RCA only output 2.0 and optical does 5.1?? That's what I meant when I said switching from RCA to optical also switching from 2.0 to 5.1 I'm just saying I wish that 5.1 would use the rears more because it doesn't make sense to me that sometimes the RCA 2.0 uses rear more
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Originally Posted by JD4L View Post

Doesn't the RCA only output 2.0 and optical does 5.1?? That's what I meant when I said switching from RCA to optical also switching from 2.0 to 5.1 I'm just saying I wish that 5.1 would use the rears more because it doesn't make sense to me that sometimes the RCA 2.0 uses rear more
Because you dont understand the tech. Wikipedia link should help.
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