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HK-1700 for $125 or Denon 1613 for $275?

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So in Best Buy's Ad today it's featured that they are selling the HK-1700 for $199 (originally $499 apparently). I have $75 in gift cards which would bring it down to $125. The Denon is selling for $350 and I could bring that down to $275. If I wanted I could wait a while until the Denon 1613 also goes on clearance or sale, but I'm not sure if this is too good of a deal to pass up. The two things that are holding me back is the lack of HDMI standby pass through on the HK 1700 and the differences in audio calibration.

The Denon 1613 uses the Multi Audyssey and the HK-1700 uses the EZset. I always read that Multi Audyssey blows everything out of the park which is why I become hesitant. The HK is sold out online and there are only a few stores in my area that carry it. This will be my first receiver so I'm pretty new to all of this. My guess is they will sell pretty fast, so I need some quick thoughts/inputs from you guys.

So, what do you think???
post #2 of 44
1. Does HDMI standby really matter much to you? Do you plan to use the TV speakers at night?

2. Audyssey MultEQ is better than EQSet EQ

If HDMI standby is really that important then get the Denon 1613. I have that same model but dont use the standby function.

If not important I think I would be tempted to get the HK for $150 less. The Denon is normally $350 or at least is sold for that price often so you're not getting a big sale price or anything, you're just applying your gift cards.

What devices do you plan to connect to this new receiver? Hopefully they are all HDMI?

What you should really do is check to see if BB has any clearance or open box Denon receivers like some of last years xx12 models. That's where you can really save money.

Where are you located?
Edited by afrogt - 1/13/13 at 10:44am
post #3 of 44
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

1. Does HDMI standby really matter much to you? Do you plan to use the TV speakers at night?

2. Audyssey MultEQ is better than EQSet EQ

If HDMI standby is really that important then get the Denon 1613. I have that same model but dont use the standby function.

If not important I think I would be tempted to get the HK for $150 less. The Denon is normally $350 or at least is sold for that price often so you're not getting a big sale price or anything, you're just applying your gift cards.

What devices do you plan to connect to this new receiver? Hopefully they are all HDMI?

What you should really do is check to see if BB has any clearance or open box Denon receivers like some of last years xx12 models. That's where you can really save money.

Where are you located?

Well, the system may be going into our basement so I guess the pass through isn't a deal breaker. Also, I just read that an easy fix is an HDMI splitter for 10 bucks or so which remedies the issue. My main concern is centered around the Audyssey vs Ezset. I know the 1612 has Mutli Audyssey and can be purchased from accessories4less for $240 including shipping. But that also has no internet connectivity, airplay, etc. I know Audyssey is probably the way to go, but is it worth an extra $150? I"ve been hearing some nice things about the HK, but again, it's the audio calibration that I keep reading about...

I currently will be connecting an Xbox 360 and a Wii, and then later down the road comcast cable, and a blu ray player/ps3 somewhere down the line.

I live in the St. Paul area and there are 3 stores in my radius that has the HK available. I tend to overanalyze these decisions a lot to begin with which causes me never to make a decision due to afraid of making the wrong one, lol. But, then I just never make a move. Thoughts?
post #4 of 44
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Bump please!
post #5 of 44
Here's the rub ... if you buy the HK you'll feel good about saving money but always wonder how much better the Denon would have sounded. If you buy the Denon .. there's no wondering. smile.gif
post #6 of 44
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Here's the rub ... if you buy the HK you'll feel good about saving money but always wonder how much better the Denon would have sounded. If you buy the Denon .. there's no wondering. smile.gif

Ah! Come on man....Stuff like that irks me to the grave, lol. But no I get that. I'm just trying to be rationale in my thinking that this is my first receiver or system, and I could maybe use the extra money for better speakers. But even then, would Audyssey still take the cake? Decisions decisions....
post #7 of 44
Why so? You asking which is better is no different than me asking you whether you prefer an apple or an orange if I am deciding myself which I would prefer to eat. I have no clue what your preferences or taste sensations are when eating food nor do you mine. I gave you a very logical answer. smile.gif
post #8 of 44
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Ah! Come on man....Stuff like that irks me to the grave, lol. But no I get that. I'm just trying to be rationale in my thinking that this is my first receiver or system, and I could maybe use the extra money for better speakers. But even then, would Audyssey still take the cake? Decisions decisions....

You should read the HK 1700 thread here. There seems to be a lot of problems with it. I'm also considering it, BUT....
post #9 of 44
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You should read the HK 1700 thread here. There seems to be a lot of problems with it. I'm also considering it, BUT....

I have read the HK 1700 thread, but I didn't really come away with any conclusions. It seemed to more fairly positive for the most part. I don't remember coming across any glowing negative remarks. If I don't get it, I guess my options are wait until April/May when the new Denon line releases, and then get the 1613 at a lower price. Or, buy the 1612 or 1613 Refurbished now off accessories4less for $219 or $269, respectively. My only gripe is that I have $75 worth of gift cards at Best Buy, but I guess those can always be put to good use later down the road. It's tough when you are depending mostly on reading forums and people's experience with them. It's hard to imagine that most people have experience with all receivers, but more importantly audio quality and sound calibration. It's just getting the HK for $125 sounds so damn appealing.
post #10 of 44
You could always try out the 1700 from Best Buy and give me a review. smile.gif I'm still balking because of no HDMI Standby Pass Thru. And no, I don't want to use a splitter. Another of my choices is the Onkyo 414, but it does not have Auto Speaker Setup. No matter which receiver fits my budget, there's a feature missing.
post #11 of 44
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You could always try out the 1700 from Best Buy and give me a review. smile.gif I'm still balking because of no HDMI Standby Pass Thru. And no, I don't want to use a splitter. Another of my choices is the Onkyo 414, but it does not have Auto Speaker Setup. No matter which receiver fits my budget, there's a feature missing.

I'd love to try it out and give you a review, but I don't even have speakers yet! This is my first system and I'm looking at speakers as well. The Denon 1613 seems like what I want to go with and right now it's on sale for $288 from Frys. Audyssey seems too good to pass up for me. I think the Onkyo 414 does have auto speaker setup, just not Multi Audyssey (it says Audyssey 2EQ when I look at the specs).
post #12 of 44
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Here's the rub ... if you buy the HK you'll feel good about saving money but always wonder how much better the Denon would have sounded. If you buy the Denon .. there's no wondering. smile.gif

Well...you may be wondering how much better the HK sounded. I've never heard a bad HK, Denon is ok, nothing special, imo.
post #13 of 44
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Well...you may be wondering how much better the HK sounded. I've never heard a bad HK, Denon is ok, nothing special, imo.

Nice reversal there! I'm still in the debating mode. I would jump on this deal in a heartbeat if it wasn't for this room correction (Audyssey) that I keep reading about. It doesn't help that I've read some people saying that Ezset is pretty pointless and awful.

Fry's has the Denon 1613 for $288, but it's no $125 for the HK after Best Buy gift cards. It's a tough call.
post #14 of 44
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I think the Onkyo 414 does have auto speaker setup, just not Multi Audyssey (it says Audyssey 2EQ when I look at the specs).


No it doesn't. It has NO auto. speaker setup whatsoever. The review at CNet confirms this also.
post #15 of 44
I was in your shoes this weekend. Was eyeballing the AVR1613. I have a friend that has the AVR 1700 and has had no problems with it whatsoever, and I've watched movies, listened to music, etc, and everything sounded great. Is there a difference in the sound that the HK puts out vs the Denon, probably. Would I be able to tell that difference, most likely not. I am no Audiophile, and this is my first receiver also. I went with the HK AVR 1700 for 199.99 at BB. I had 50 bucks in gift cards, so thats $150, plus I bought a 4 year protection plan for 30 bucks. So 180 plus tax OTD. For me, that money saved, and knowing I'm safe for 4 years is what sold me. In my opinion, the AVR1700 for $125 is a no brainer. But...in the end its up to you, and you'll have to be happy with whatever decision you make.

Best of luck!
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I was in your shoes this weekend. Was eyeballing the AVR1613. I have a friend that has the AVR 1700 and has had no problems with it whatsoever, and I've watched movies, listened to music, etc, and everything sounded great. Is there a difference in the sound that the HK puts out vs the Denon, probably. Would I be able to tell that difference, most likely not. I am no Audiophile, and this is my first receiver also. I went with the HK AVR 1700 for 199.99 at BB. I had 50 bucks in gift cards, so thats $150, plus I bought a 4 year protection plan for 30 bucks. So 180 plus tax OTD. For me, that money saved, and knowing I'm safe for 4 years is what sold me. In my opinion, the AVR1700 for $125 is a no brainer. But...in the end its up to you, and you'll have to be happy with whatever decision you make.

Best of luck!

That's the mindset I was also having: I've never owned a system in my life; no receiver, no speakers, no nothing. The odds of me being able to tell a big difference is probably quite slim. But now, however, an open box Denon 1613 is going for $299, and with gift cards I can bring it down to $225. And with my over thinking and hesitation, the 1700 is now sold out in every store within a 20 mile radius of me. I guess it wasn't meant to be smile.gif
post #17 of 44
For $125 it should be a no brainer. Based on everything I've read and being an owner of the older AVR 1600 (that has been rock solid for 3 years now) and being of the mindset the Audyssey is a love it, hate it or be indifferent to it thing, especially the lower end version I would for sure jump on the HK 1700 for that price.

And whose to say that Audyssey would do a better job than HK's EzSet Eq in your room. It might make things worse, dull, lifeless, compressed etc....
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That's the mindset I was also having: I've never owned a system in my life; no receiver, no speakers, no nothing. The odds of me being able to tell a big difference is probably quite slim. But now, however, an open box Denon 1613 is going for $299, and with gift cards I can bring it down to $225. And with my over thinking and hesitation, the 1700 is now sold out in every store within a 20 mile radius of me. I guess it wasn't meant to be smile.gif

Well, since you cannot get the 1700 near you anymore perhaps you should pick up that 1613 while you can. Next thing you know you'll be complaining how you missed out on that deal too.
post #19 of 44
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Well, since you cannot get the 1700 near you anymore perhaps you should pick up that 1613 while you can. Next thing you know you'll be complaining how you missed out on that deal too.

Haha, i know! I'm actually thinking of waiting for that 1613 to drop a considerable amount as the new Denon lineup comes out this spring. In fact, the 1612 has dropped on accessories4less to $199 and the 1613 to $267 (only two dollars, but it's less smile.gif ) It seems the only difference between the 1612 and 1613 is ethernet and airplay. The 1612 has one less HDMI, but more inputs overall.

Does anyone know when the new Denon's start arriving in stores? And from your buying experience, do receivers tend to come down in price more so than speakers?
post #20 of 44
I owned avr 1700 for a few months. And went to sh*t, due to bad transistor. After getting the denon1613 & 1913. There's was a huge difference in sound quality. I'm sure it had a lot to do with audssey. In a way I'm glad both my avr 700 & 1700 went bad. Cause when I set up both denon. I had such a big smile. I knew I made the right choices.
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I owned avr 1700 for a few months. And went to sh*t, due to bad transistor. After getting the denon1613 & 1913. There's was a huge difference in sound quality. I'm sure it had a lot to do with audssey. In a way I'm glad both my avr 700 & 1700 went bad. Cause when I set up both denon. I had such a big smile. I knew I made the right choices.

Yeah, that's why I'm holding out for the 1613. I just check the online stores daily to find a price drop. But I know come March-May it will drop considerably when the new line arrives. Just gotta be patient.
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Nice reversal there! I'm still in the debating mode. I would jump on this deal in a heartbeat if it wasn't for this room correction (Audyssey) that I keep reading about. It doesn't help that I've read some people saying that Ezset is pretty pointless and awful.

Fry's has the Denon 1613 for $288, but it's no $125 for the HK after Best Buy gift cards. It's a tough call.



were did you find the denon 1613 at frys for that price? i found it there for$399
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I owned avr 1700 for a few months. And went to sh*t, due to bad transistor. After getting the denon1613 & 1913. There's was a huge difference in sound quality. I'm sure it had a lot to do with audssey. In a way I'm glad both my avr 700 & 1700 went bad. Cause when I set up both denon. I had such a big smile. I knew I made the right choices.

Can you tell me more about the comparison of the 1700 vs. 1613? I'm looking into both of these. Thanks.
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Check out the Yamaha rx-473
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Check out the Yamaha rx-473

With the Denon 1613 being cheaper on Amazon, while adding an extra HDMI and having Audyssey, I'm not sure why you would take the Yamaha. Yamaha is better for music, but for an overall package, the Denon seems like the better buy.
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Can you tell me more about the comparison of the 1700 vs. 1613? I'm looking into both of these. Thanks.

They are both similar in features, i.e. internet connectivity, streaming radio, airplay, but thethe Harmon offers AM and FM (Denon only FM), Harmon has 6 HDMI inputs to Denon's five. I think the biggest feature difference is Audyssey, which historically has proved itself to be the "go-to" for sound calibration. Some feel others do a great job, but I haven't heard much praise for Harmon's Ezset calibration.

Take a look at the specs on Amazon and compare.
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They are both similar in features, i.e. internet connectivity, streaming radio, airplay, but thethe Harmon offers AM and FM (Denon only FM), Harmon has 6 HDMI inputs to Denon's five. I think the biggest feature difference is Audyssey, which historically has proved itself to be the "go-to" for sound calibration. Some feel others do a great job, but I haven't heard much praise for Harmon's Ezset calibration.

Take a look at the specs on Amazon and compare.

Thanks. I should have been more specific. I meant to ask how sound quality compares between the 1613 and 1700.
post #28 of 44
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Thanks. I should have been more specific. I meant to ask how sound quality compares between the 1613 and 1700.

Well, according to Joe81 who has/had both models the Denon sounds better. Read post #20.
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Can you tell me more about the comparison of the 1700 vs. 1613? I'm looking into both of these. Thanks.
The few things that the 1700 has that the 1613 doesn't . 1 more hdmi and obviously the price. For me what beats the 1700 is the 1613 audyssey calibration. I would honestly pay the extra. Especially now owning both. And knowing how much of a difference the Sound is between the 1700 & 1613. If you ask me what would I do if I was in your position. I would go with denon, solely cause of audyssey.
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Can you tell me more about the comparison of the 1700 vs. 1613? I'm looking into both of these. Thanks.
The few things that the 1700 has that the 1613 doesn't . 1 more hdmi and obviously the price. For me what beats the 1700 is the 1613 audyssey calibration. I would honestly pay the extra. Especially now owning both. And knowing how much of a difference the Sound is between the 1700 & 1613. If you ask me what would I do if I was in your position. I would go with denon, solely cause of audyssey.
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