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post #1141 of 1458
I had the chance to get my hand on the channel classic's dsf file USB key that comes with the purchase of a DAC (forgot the name...)

It is the same usb key that Kal Robinson wrote about in the music in a round #61 column.

So it is a collection of classical music - not for everyone's taste - but the dynamics on some of them are crazy, especially the ebony band and malher's #4 direct to dsd (no post processing)

Very impressive, but 2 ch only.

Try to grab it if you can.
post #1142 of 1458
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Originally Posted by audiman View Post

I had the chance to get my hand on the channel classic's dsf file USB key that comes with the purchase of a DAC (forgot the name...)

It is the same usb key that Kal Robinson wrote about in the music in a round #61 column.

So it is a collection of classical music - not for everyone's taste - but the dynamics on some of them are crazy, especially the ebony band and malher's #4 direct to dsd (no post processing)

Very impressive, but 2 ch only.

Try to grab it if you can.

 

There are multichannel tracks on it, too.

post #1143 of 1458
Hi,
Do the USB asnyc input signal and other digital inputs go to the HDMI and digital outs?

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post #1144 of 1458
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Originally Posted by tripstation View Post

Hi,
Do the USB asnyc input signal and other digital inputs go to the HDMI and digital outs?

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Yes, they do.
--Bob
post #1145 of 1458
Hi Bob,
Thanks for that.
I'm really glad about that.
Haven't got my 105 yet.
Was wondering what the quality of the clock was like in the 105 (jitter pico secs)
Plan on going digital into my Bryston SP3.
Would it Make any difference to the quality of the sound if the clock was modified, that is for pure digital only?

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post #1146 of 1458

Any news how the BDP-103D is selling can we expect a 105D anytime soon?

post #1147 of 1458

I have an OPPO BDP-105 and found the USB audio in does not go through any processing in the player.  I just found out that there is no bass management for that input and really makes the DSD decoding sound a little weak with no sub. I have B&W N803's and a Velodyne DD-12 sub they sound very good but not as good with out the sub, it takes a lot of the dynamic punch out of the sound. I'm using J River 19 on my PC and there is no way on their end to get the sub to work. My only thoughts are to get a sound card for the PC that has S/PDIF or Toslink outs. Anyone else try this and how does it sound? Does anybody have a work around to get bass management through USB audio in?

post #1148 of 1458
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Originally Posted by huber13 View PostI have an OPPO BDP-105 and found the USB audio in does not go through any processing in the player.  I just found out that there is no bass management for that input and really makes the DSD decoding sound a little weak with no sub. I have B&W N803's and a Velodyne DD-12 sub they sound very good but not as good with out the sub, it takes a lot of the dynamic punch out of the sound. I'm using J River 19 on my PC and there is no way on their end to get the sub to work. My only thoughts are to get a sound card for the PC that has S/PDIF or Toslink outs. Anyone else try this and how does it sound? Does anybody have a work around to get bass management through USB audio in?

Really! Hum I will try and see if that is the same for me?

post #1149 of 1458
If I understand what he's saying, I'm seeing the same issue as well. When I stream music via USB, I lose my subwoofer. CD's and Blu-Ray play fine with sub, but USB streaming just gives me no-joy.
post #1150 of 1458
^^^ Even with the speakers set to small? I use XLR for stereo with my mains full range and if I want a sub in the mix with Audyssey that means PCM conversion done in my Marantz 8801 but the stereo sound alone from usb for me sounds full and not weak or thin.
post #1151 of 1458
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

^^^ Even with the speakers set to small? I use XLR for stereo with my mains full range and if I want a sub in the mix with Audyssey that means PCM conversion done in my Marantz 8801 but the stereo sound alone from usb for me sounds full and not weak or thin.

I'm running speakers set to small, X-over at 40. Two Channel (tube) amp hooked up via RCA out, with Sub-woofer amp hooked up via 7.1 Sub-woofer output. Works perfectly with CDs, doesn't work with USB from my HTPC. I've not taken the time to play with settings to figure out why...I'm hoping it's just a setting somewhere.
post #1152 of 1458
The Asynchronous USB DAC Input goes *DIRECTLY* to the DACs. There is no audio-processing of any sort available when using that stereo digital audio input. That includes Crossover processing.

If you want to play DSD files with Crossover processing provided by the OPPO, then put them on a hard drive and connect that to one of the regular, peripheral device USB jacks on the OPPO. Set SACD Output PCM as well to enable audio processing for DSD content played on the multi-channel Analog audio outputs. Set your Speaker Configuration settings appropriately for the speakers you have and the Crossover you want.

Similarly, you can put your DSD files on an SMB server and play them over the network that way. That works like having them on an attached hard drive.
--Bob
post #1153 of 1458
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The Asynchronous USB DAC Input goes *DIRECTLY* to the DACs. There is no audio-processing of any sort available when using that stereo digital audio input. That includes Crossover processing.

If you want to play DSD files with Crossover processing provided by the OPPO, then put them on a hard drive and connect that to one of the regular, peripheral device USB jacks on the OPPO. Set SACD Output PCM as well to enable audio processing for DSD content played on the multi-channel Analog audio outputs. Set your Speaker Configuration settings appropriately for the speakers you have and the Crossover you want.

Similarly, you can put your DSD files on an SMB server and play them over the network that way. That works like having them on an attached hard drive.
--Bob

Thanks for clearing that up, Bob, that makes sense.
post #1154 of 1458

"Asynchronous USB is designed so that the audio goes direct to the DACs as a true bypass. You lose all benefits of the Asynchronous USB if you have the player do additional audio decoding to the signal."

"If you need bass management, then you will need to use digital coaxial, optical, or HDMI as these interfaces will allow the player to decode the audio, and thereby, perform bass management to the signal."

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.

 

I just purchased a used sound card, a Creative Sound Labs 1040, with toslink out and will do an A/B test that I will post. That won't be till next week. If this works out you could leave both hooked up and switch between the 2 depending on application and sound quality. I was just hoping someone else had done this and could throw in their 2 cents.

post #1155 of 1458
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Originally Posted by huber13 View Post

"Asynchronous USB is designed so that the audio goes direct to the DACs as a true bypass. You lose all benefits of the Asynchronous USB if you have the player do additional audio decoding to the signal."

"If you need bass management, then you will need to use digital coaxial, optical, or HDMI as these interfaces will allow the player to decode the audio, and thereby, perform bass management to the signal."

OPPO Digital, Inc.

Or use an external bass management solution like an active crossover before going directly to your amp. Those of us with "bookshelf" speakers must use a sub for full range sound - even if they are 45 pound 2.5 way speakers with dual woofers - if they roll off at 50Hz you have no choice. The bass management in the Oppo seems satisfactory for movies, but I wouldn't use it exclusively for 2Ch or MC music. What I would really like to see is a companion component for "direct to amp source components" like the Oppo - an external bass management box with built in bass EQ / Audyssey - I am currently using two separate components to accomplish that even though only one of them is in the main component chain.
post #1156 of 1458
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Originally Posted by audiman View PostI had the chance to get my hand on the channel classic's dsf file USB key that comes with the purchase of a DAC (forgot the name...)
 

Where can I get one?

 

They don't sell those!

post #1157 of 1458
Waiting for the 105.
Hope it gets here before 105.

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post #1158 of 1458
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Any news how the BDP-103D is selling can we expect a 105D anytime soon?
Probably not soon. But you could always buy the Darbee separately and run the 105 through it.
post #1159 of 1458
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Originally Posted by BillP View Post

Probably not soon. But you could always buy the Darbee separately and run the 105 through it.

What is a Darbee, sorry for my ignorance. I'm assuming the new Oppo 103D has this?
post #1160 of 1458
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

What is a Darbee, sorry for my ignorance. I'm assuming the new Oppo 103D has this?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=darbee+processing
post #1161 of 1458
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Originally Posted by Lonely Raven View Post

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=darbee+processing

Thanks for the google search. With the computer there is no excuse for ignorance. So it has to do with video processing. I wasn't sure if it was video or audio related.
post #1162 of 1458
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

Thanks for the google search. With the computer there is no excuse for ignorance. So it has to do with video processing. I wasn't sure if it was video or audio related.

LOL - Anytime! smile.gif
post #1163 of 1458
I learned of it from reading posts in the JVC RS55 projector thread. There are lots of happy users that like it. IIRC the larger the viewing screen the more you can see the benefits of using it.
post #1164 of 1458
Calling owners of the 105 who have replaced their a/v processor in favour of the Oppo connected directly to their amps
- what specific improvements have YOU noticed for multichannel movie playback? Would love love love to hear some detailed feedback! smile.gif
post #1165 of 1458
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Originally Posted by RickyDeg View Post

Calling owners of the 105 who have replaced their a/v processor in favour of the Oppo connected directly to their amps
- what specific improvements have YOU noticed for multichannel movie playback? Would love love love to hear some detailed feedback! smile.gif

Yes please tell us, also tell us which pre/pro did you have before! In order to compare it is key not to use Auto EQ since OPPO has none!
post #1166 of 1458
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Originally Posted by RickyDeg View Post

Calling owners of the 105 who have replaced their a/v processor in favour of the Oppo connected directly to their amps
- what specific improvements have YOU noticed for multichannel movie playback? Would love love love to hear some detailed feedback! smile.gif

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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Yes please tell us, also tell us which pre/pro did you have before! In order to compare it is key not to use Auto EQ since OPPO has none!


Just out of curiosity, wse (and sorry if I've missed this elsewhere)
- have you by any chance tested doing this yourself with your Oppo and those beautiful Classé amplifier units? I somehow doubt it could give your pre/pro a match.
post #1167 of 1458
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Yes please tell us, also tell us which pre/pro did you have before! In order to compare it is key not to use Auto EQ since OPPO has none!

The room the system is in, and how well the EQ was setup to deal with it will impact that more than what amps/pre/power/DAC.

If you have an acoustically correct room (measured and treated), I'm betting the equipment makes more of a difference.

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post #1168 of 1458
WSE,

I am awaiting your own test results? I have not done the surround portion yet of comparing the Oppo to my Classe SSP-800 but in 2 channel there is no comparison. The Oppo sounds pretty good but the Classe beats it easily! The Classe has better midrange and a sweeter high end that isn't as dry sounding to me as the Oppo. Soundstage width is the same. The low end also to the Classe (tighter) due to better definition of the bass notes on well recorded material. The Oppo has a more focused center stage with great detail in it's midrange but just not as liquid sounding or musical to my ears. I am using my BDP-105 because my SSP-800 is gone back to be serviced and updated because of a power supply issue. I can definitely live with the Oppo BDP-105 for now. It is nice to have this unit as it has really paid for itself.
post #1169 of 1458
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Originally Posted by Lonely Raven View Post

.....If you have an acoustically correct room (measured and treated), I'm betting the equipment makes more of a difference.

Yes I agree 100%
post #1170 of 1458
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Originally Posted by RickyDeg View Post

Calling owners of the 105 who have replaced their a/v processor in favour of the Oppo connected directly to their amps
- what specific improvements have YOU noticed for multichannel movie playback? Would love love love to hear some detailed feedback! smile.gif

I have two older Pre-pros (Elite SP-99D and Adcom GTP-750) - I switched to the Oppo 105 direct connected to my amps and noticed improvements in multi-channel and 2 channel as well.

Since my old Pre-pros only did Dolby Digital decoding, that is all that I could compare. The most obvious thing I noticed (especially against the Elite) was no background noise - the Oppo is very quiet when decoding DD soundtracks (I have a lot of DVDs). I can't do a quick switch A/B comparison between them, but there also seems to be a lot more dynamic range with the Oppo. Of course, the Oppo decoding lossless soundtracks from BD sounds far superior to DD soundtracks - less harsh / edgy sound with even more dynamics (but that could be better soundtrack production on BD discs).

You didn't ask about 2 channel, but there is obvious improvement there as well. Minor improvement of soundstage and larger improvement of detail / separation of instruments. I really like the way that the Oppo's 2 channel balanced outputs sound with acoustic guitar and acoustic jazz. It is so detailed that good recordings sound like live music and I can really hear the problems with poor recordings.
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