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post #1201 of 1457
Yes I had the Oppo for a year now. It probably has 200hrs. The Peachtree is new so was supprised of the difference. The main difference is the voice,
cymbals and brush sounds are more natural and better resolved with less "digital" sound.
post #1202 of 1457
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Originally Posted by louielee View Post

Yes I had the Oppo for a year now. It probably has 200hrs. The Peachtree is new so was supprised of the difference. The main difference is the voice,
cymbals and brush sounds are more natural and better resolved with less "digital" sound.

How are you connecting the 105 ? is it direct to the amp ? or a preamp?
post #1203 of 1457
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Originally Posted by wadeh911 View PostNoticed this sound quality thread has not been updated to reflect the many updates to the 105 such as DSD playback via USB or alac just to mention a few. I'm happy to report my sound quality from my 105 continues to amaze me. Am working now to determine if the DAC's in the 105 outperform the DAC's in my ssp-800. This is a never ending quest this hobby of ours.

Let me know what you find, I am going to have to do that in January as my SSP-800 needs to go back to Classe to be repair for faulty touch screen!

post #1204 of 1457
I have often wonder if the distance setting on the L&R channels affects music reproduction?

I turn off the sub and put my front speakers on large when listening to two channel music, but I leave the setting for the speakers' distance untouched. isn't there some kind of audio manipulation when you set the distance?
Edited by luismanrara - 12/10/13 at 10:28pm
post #1205 of 1457
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Originally Posted by luismanrara View Post

I have often wonder if the distance setting on the L&R channels affects music reproduction?

I turn off the sub and put my front speakers on large when listening to two channel music, but I leave the setting for the speakers' distance untouched. isn't there some kind of audio manipulation when you set the distance?

Not so much as manipulation as it is more processing in the digital domain, I use the 105 for 2/ch only via xlr and allow my pre/pro to handle multi/ch. I do however have it set to DSD for Sacd playback for 2/ch which bypasses any distance and bass mngt. settings, this works well providing your mains are setup correctly for stereo playback. I would recommend you try various distance settings the .25 increments can make a world of difference wink.gif
post #1206 of 1457
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Originally Posted by luismanrara View Post

I have often wonder if the distance setting on the L&R channels affects music reproduction?

I turn off the sub and put my front speakers on large when listening to two channel music, but I leave the setting for the speakers' distance untouched. isn't there some kind of audio manipulation when you set the distance?

The distance settings only allow speakers of different distances (like in most home theater systems) to reach the listener at the same time. If your mains are the same distance apart then it doesn't matter.
post #1207 of 1457
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Not so much as manipulation as it is more processing in the digital domain, I use the 105 for 2/ch only via xlr and allow my pre/pro to handle multi/ch. I do however have it set to DSD for Sacd playback for 2/ch which bypasses any distance and bass mngt. settings, this works well providing your mains are setup correctly for stereo playback. I would recommend you try various distance settings the .25 increments can make a world of difference wink.gif

I am using the Oppo's analog outputs and I want to listen to music with no digital processing whatsoever, I don't have a receiver or pre-pro, so I can't apply any calibration tools like Audyssey using HDMI.

You mention that when you listen to DSD the Oppo bypasses any distance or bass management, etc, which tells me that distance settings are taken out of the picture for a reason, sound quality. how about the cleanest possible signal when playing cds?, Will 0 distance setting on the L&R speakers give me that? I have always kept my distance setting when listening to 2 channel music, and I wonder if I have not been listening to music in the optimal way.
post #1208 of 1457
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Originally Posted by luismanrara View Post

I am using the Oppo's analog outputs and I want to listen to music with no digital processing whatsoever, I don't have a receiver or pre-pro, so I can't apply any calibration tools like Audyssey using HDMI.

You mention that when you listen to DSD the Oppo bypasses any distance or bass management, etc, which tells me that distance settings are taken out of the picture for a reason, sound quality. how about the cleanest possible signal when playing cds?, Will 0 distance setting on the L&R speakers give me that? I have always kept my distance setting when listening to 2 channel music, and I wonder if I have not been listening to music in the optimal way.

Leave them at default which is 12 for all.
post #1209 of 1457
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

How are you connecting the 105 ? is it direct to the amp ? or a preamp?

Im using ultralink RCA cable for analog and digital connection. Tried different cables with similar results. Anyone have Decco
to do same comparison?
post #1210 of 1457
In 2 'channel XLR stereo analog out I can hear no difference, both are excellent.

In multichannel analog output my classe cannot be setup for RCA analog input and XLR front channel input, so I run in 7.1 bypass. The DAC's in the ssp800 sound more detailed to my ears compared to the 105

Was under impression I could set up front L/R in oppo setup to use higher quality 2 channel dac but then realized I can't set that mixed audio connector setup in classe.
post #1211 of 1457
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Originally Posted by wadeh911 View Post

Was under impression I could set up front L/R in oppo setup to use higher quality 2 channel dac but then realized I can't set that mixed audio connector setup in classe.
You can still do that and use the dedicated 2 channel RCA outputs on the Oppo rather than the XLR outputs - that will still give you the advantage of teh better DAC board for front L/R.
post #1212 of 1457
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

You can still do that and use the dedicated 2 channel RCA outputs on the Oppo rather than the XLR outputs - that will still give you the advantage of teh better DAC board for front L/R.

Thank you for reminding me of how much I used to remember about this stufff. That's what happens when I disconnect cabling to make system modifications.
post #1213 of 1457
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Originally Posted by louielee View Post

Im using ultralink RCA cable for analog and digital connection. Tried different cables with similar results. Anyone have Decco
to do same comparison?

So is there a preamp in the chain between the Oppo and your amp? If so which?
post #1214 of 1457
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Originally Posted by wadeh911 View Post

Thank you for reminding me of how much I used to remember about this stufff. That's what happens when I disconnect cabling to make system modifications.

All outputs are active all the time.
post #1215 of 1457
I have a oppo 105

would like to play flac files

what type of hard drive

SSD

spinning hard drive

USB 2.0 or 3.0
post #1216 of 1457
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Originally Posted by silveramp View Post

I have a oppo 105

would like to play flac files

what type of hard drive

SSD

spinning hard drive

USB 2.0 or 3.0

One thread at a time, please.

-Bill
post #1217 of 1457
Sorry wrong tread
post #1218 of 1457
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Originally Posted by silveramp View Post

I have a oppo 105

would like to play flac files

what type of hard drive

SSD

spinning hard drive

USB 2.0 or 3.0

Just get a Western Digital 1T Portable Drive.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2DC13H1231

I'm using a 2TB I picked up on Black Friday - it works great, and because it's powered off the USB port, I believe it's quieter than one with a power brick.
post #1219 of 1457
I thought I would respond to the request to those who replaced a pre/pro with the 105. I replaced a Linn Kinos unit with the 105, hoping to add new features like HDMI and networked content plus the minimal input switching set offered by the 105. The Kinos, via RCA, and now the 105 via XLR, drive active Linn Klimax 350 speakers. The 105 is 2 weeks old, but it doesn't sound up to the quality of the Linn gear. My soundstage retracted and the clarity of voices, male and female, seems off. I would call the 105 analog sound recessed and not as dynamic. I am disappointed, I really hoped the OPPO audio quality would be easily as good as the Kinos.
post #1220 of 1457
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Originally Posted by squareloop View Post

I thought I would respond to the request to those who replaced a pre/pro with the 105. I replaced a Linn Kinos unit with the 105, hoping to add new features like HDMI and networked content plus the minimal input switching set offered by the 105. The Kinos, via RCA, and now the 105 via XLR, drive active Linn Klimax 350 speakers. The 105 is 2 weeks old, but it doesn't sound up to the quality of the Linn gear. My soundstage retracted and the clarity of voices, male and female, seems off. I would call the 105 analog sound recessed and not as dynamic. I am disappointed, I really hoped the OPPO audio quality would be easily as good as the Kinos.

There's no way to tell from just a post like this exactly what you are hearing, but your description is such that it suggests there may be some simple mistake(s) in your audio setup.

First, if your display has built in speakers, make sure you have HDMI Audio OFF set in the OPPO so that you are not ALSO getting sound from those speakers. That would easily explain you comment about voice clarity.

You don't mention if you are doing a stereo of multi-channel hookup, but since you are using XLR output from the 105 you obviously have that pair hooked up from the Dedicated Stereo Analog set. And so, make sure you have the Stereo Signal setting set correctly. The choices are DOWN-MIXED STEREO -- the correct choice if you are just doing a stereo hookup -- and FRONT LEFT/RIGHT -- the correct choice if you have that XLR pair wired in lieu of the normal LF/RF RCA jacks from the multi-channel set (with the rest of the multi-channel audio coming from the rest of those RCA jacks).

You should also spend some time with a calibration disc to make sure you don't have other issues confusing what you are hearing -- such as not all speakers wired for the same polarity, or incorrect Crossover setup. And of course, that level are properly balanced. The AIX, Audio Calibration, Blu-ray has LPCM test tracks that are good for checking such stuff.

For example, engaging the Crossover and setting it too high in frequency will steer lower register voices to the subwoofer (not a good thing) and will impact voice clarity.

Also make sure you have DTS Neo:6 Mode set to OFF (unless you really want to use it for some particular program), as turning it on limits the digital audio processing in the OPPO.

With a direct connection to the powered speakers like this, you should leave HDCD Decoding ON. I suggest you use SACD Output PCM until you have satisfied yourself that other audio issues are resolved. Using SACD Output DSD bypasses audio processing in the 105 (e.g., Crossover or speaker distances).

It may very will be that you just like the Linn gear better, but frankly the audio difference should not be that dramatic, so it is worth double-checking how you are using the 105.



ETA: Since you are using the XLR jacks, it would also be worth double checking that the XLR Terminal Polarity setting matches what your active speakers are expecting. See the OPPO Manual for the two choices.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 12/18/13 at 1:46pm
post #1221 of 1457
He might being hearing soundstage differences between the two units? The Linn has a bit more forward row 4 staging center orchestra and the Oppo a row 10. I know it sounds strange but others besides myself have used this terminology. biggrin.gif
post #1222 of 1457
Bob, Sharp, thanks for the insightful comments. I would not call the differences dramatic, but they are noticeable. Also, the Kinos is really out of date for todays connectivity needs. I want to use HDMI, all of my CD's are in FLAC and I am starting to try hi-res downloads, and access all of the content available online. So I really want the 105 to work, and I don't want to go to the $$ of Bryston or Classe (and then I need more boxes - PC, Roku.......). I am going to continue working with the 105, it may be good enough for 95% of my "wants".

I will check the settings, I believe I have set up the 105 as suggested in (Bob's) post. I do not have a sub, so I am set as a fairly straightforward 2 channel system. I need to check the HDCD and SACD settings,.....

Just to be clear, I think the 105 is a quality piece of gear. Sound is very subjective, and as an engineer, I want a bit to be a bit, but when those bits hit the analog stage, the results are what you hear.
post #1223 of 1457
I just bought my first BluRay audio disc (Clapton's Layla). I have a a choice of setting the output for PCM, Dolby True HD, or DTS-HD Master Audio (all 2.0). My 105 is connected to my 2-channel analog Rotel preamp and Rotel power amp via analog audio outs (RCA). Does it matter which of those 3 options I set the disc output at? The preamp, being analog, can't decode Dolby, etc, but all 3 options do play successfully through my equipment (I assume my 105 is doing all the processing/digital-to-analog conversion for all 3 settings). Thanks.
post #1224 of 1457
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Originally Posted by BillP View Post

I just bought my first BluRay audio disc (Clapton's Layla). I have a a choice of setting the output for PCM, Dolby True HD, or DTS-HD Master Audio (all 2.0). My 105 is connected to my 2-channel analog Rotel preamp and Rotel power amp via analog audio outs (RCA). Does it matter which of those 3 options I set the disc output at? The preamp, being analog, can't decode Dolby, etc, but all 3 options do play successfully through my equipment (I assume my 105 is doing all the processing/digital-to-analog conversion for all 3 settings). Thanks.

Those are the audio track selections on the disc, right?

There may be a difference because of how well the disc authors did their job, but that is independent of the player or rest of your gear. There is not supposed to be any difference between these lossless encodings.

Once the player decodes any of the tracks then the rest of the gear doesn't know where they came from. For analog it is just electricity, for HDMI LPCM it is uncompressed digital audio.

If you were bitstreaming over HDMI, the receiver would do the decoding, but the result is supposed to be the same.

For each variation, the receiver my be supplying a different feature set, or generating different volume levels, which will alter the sound.

-Bill
post #1225 of 1457
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Those are the audio track selections on the disc, right?

There may be a difference because of how well the disc authors did their job, but that is independent of the player or rest of your gear. There is not supposed to be any difference between these lossless encodings.

Once the player decodes any of the tracks then the rest of the gear doesn't know where they came from. For analog it is just electricity, for HDMI LPCM it is uncompressed digital audio.

If you were bitstreaming over HDMI, the receiver would do the decoding, but the result is supposed to be the same.

For each variation, the receiver my be supplying a different feature set, or generating different volume levels, which will alter the sound.

-Bill

Thanks, Bill. Yes, I'm talking about the track selections on the disc itself, then feeding 2-channel analog audio to my analog stereo preamp. So you're saying it shouldn't matter (they should all sound the same assuming the 105 properly decodes them and assuming they properly mastered the disc).

On Amazon, this new BluRay audio disc is getting bad reviews because it only has stereo tracks, whereas a prior SACD had 5.1 (but I don't care since I only have a 2-channel system). I have my 2nd BluRay audio disc on the way in the mail (Breakfast in America). This has always been an expensive hobby (I have several SACDs, as well as a few K2HD discs)!
post #1226 of 1457
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Originally Posted by BillP View Post

Thanks, Bill. Yes, I'm talking about the track selections on the disc itself, then feeding 2-channel analog audio to my analog stereo preamp. So you're saying it shouldn't matter (they should all sound the same assuming the 105 properly decodes them and assuming they properly mastered the disc).

Correct. The PCM track is presumably the original audio and the TrueHD and DTS-MA are lossless versions of same.

I don't suppose there is much reason for including all three, but people love choices. Justify the price, right?

-Bill
post #1227 of 1457
Bought a 2nd 105 for my 2 channel system yesterday and it arrived today. Sales tax sucks, but nice to get it so quickly. My Krell SACD Standard stopped playing Hybrid SACD's and could never play DVD's so bought a 105 to cover what was missing and a 19" Samsung TV to allow me to interface with it. Sounds pretty good so far, but as others have said it is a little bright in the high end. Had the same problem with my 1st 105 which is in the home theater. That one came around after a couple of months. For now will stick with the Krell for redbook and non-hybrid SACD's. Might swap the 105's to see the difference.

So, 2 channel now consists of:

Krell 400xi integrated amp
Krell SACD Standard
Logitech Transporter
Oppo 105
Kramer VS-4X balanced audio switcher
Sony KA2ES tape player
Monoprice XLR cables
Wireworld speaker cables
Dynaudio Focus 360 speakers

The other system in the pictures is for outside which is a NAD intrated amp, squeezebox and Def Tech speakers. Pictures below.



post #1228 of 1457
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

If you have the dedicated 2 channel outputs set to "Down-mixed Stereo" (the default), then the crossover settings do not apply to those outputs and your headphone amp will get a full range signal. If you set the 2 channel outputs to "Front Left/Right", then the crossover settings do apply and you can use the dedicated outputs as front left and front right in place of the front left/right outputs of the multichannel outputs. See page 74 (the exact page number may differ depending on which version of the manual you're looking at) of the manual in the "Other Audio Processing Settings" section for a bit more detail.

Note that if you're connecting the multichannel outputs direct to your amp that the volume control adjustment on the player will apply to both the dedicated stereo AND the multichannel outputs at the same time.
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

It depends on the Stereo Signal setting. With Stereo Signal DOWN MIX STEREO set, the Dedicated Stereo Analog outputs operate independently of the settings that affect the Multi-Channel Analog outputs. In particular, no Crossover processing happens and any LFE content is discarded as part of the Stereo down-mix.

If Stereo Signal FRONT LEFT/RIGHT is set then the Dedicated L/R respond to ALL the settings that normally apply to the Left Front / Right Front pair of the multi-channel set, including Crossover processing if LF/RF are set to SMALL. This allows you to use the Dedicated L/R in place of the normal LF/RF jacks in a multi-channel hookup.
--Bob

I am not understanding this setting. I have a 5.1 setup. I have my oppo currently going straight to my amp via unbalanced connections. I am using the dedicated stereo outs with the other 3 speakers and sub using the multi channel outs. I have all speakers set to small and crossover of 60hz. When playing CDs my subwoofer is moving with either DOWN MIX STEREO or Front Left/Right setting. If i set my mains to large then the sub is no longer getting a signal with CDs. What am I missed here?
post #1229 of 1457
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Originally Posted by initech View Post

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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

If you have the dedicated 2 channel outputs set to "Down-mixed Stereo" (the default), then the crossover settings do not apply to those outputs and your headphone amp will get a full range signal. If you set the 2 channel outputs to "Front Left/Right", then the crossover settings do apply and you can use the dedicated outputs as front left and front right in place of the front left/right outputs of the multichannel outputs. See page 74 (the exact page number may differ depending on which version of the manual you're looking at) of the manual in the "Other Audio Processing Settings" section for a bit more detail.

Note that if you're connecting the multichannel outputs direct to your amp that the volume control adjustment on the player will apply to both the dedicated stereo AND the multichannel outputs at the same time.
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

It depends on the Stereo Signal setting. With Stereo Signal DOWN MIX STEREO set, the Dedicated Stereo Analog outputs operate independently of the settings that affect the Multi-Channel Analog outputs. In particular, no Crossover processing happens and any LFE content is discarded as part of the Stereo down-mix.

If Stereo Signal FRONT LEFT/RIGHT is set then the Dedicated L/R respond to ALL the settings that normally apply to the Left Front / Right Front pair of the multi-channel set, including Crossover processing if LF/RF are set to SMALL. This allows you to use the Dedicated L/R in place of the normal LF/RF jacks in a multi-channel hookup.
--Bob

I am not understanding this setting. I have a 5.1 setup. I have my oppo currently going straight to my amp via unbalanced connections. I am using the dedicated stereo outs with the other 3 speakers and sub using the multi channel outs. I have all speakers set to small and crossover of 60hz. When playing CDs my subwoofer is moving with either DOWN MIX STEREO or Front Left/Right setting. If i set my mains to large then the sub is no longer getting a signal with CDs. What am I missed here?

The Sub output is not affected by the Stereo Signal setting. It is only affected by the Crossover setting and the settings in Speaker Configuration -- i.e. the settings which configure the multi-channel output.

The Stereo Signal setting only alters what gets sent out on the Dedicated Stereo L/R pair. You can have that pair function independently of the multi-channel settings (the DOWN-MIXED STEREO choice) or you can have that pair respond to all the settings that normally apply to LF/RF of the multi-channel set (the FRONT LEFT/RIGHT choice).

I believe your misunderstanding is in thinking that if you set Stereo Signal DOWN-MIXED STEREO then the Subwoofer output will be silenced. Not true. The Subwoofer output is part of the multi-channel configuration -- not the dedicated stereo configuration. And both multi-channel and dedicated stereo are live at the same time -- even though you only may be intending to listen to one of them. So the Subwoofer and the REST of the multi-channel jacks are still live when you are listening to that stereo content from the CD. It's just that there's no audio on the CD that goes to Center or the Surrounds so you don't hear them. But there IS bass in the stereo on the CD, and if you have the Crossover engaged for the multi-channel outputs, then the Sub gets a portion of that bass due to the function of the Crossover.

So when you have LF/RF set to SMALL in the multi-channel configuration, the Subwoofer jack gets steered bass (due to the Crossover) from the LF/RF channels EVEN WHEN you think you are just using the Dedicated Stereo L/R pair with DOWN-MIXED STEREO.

If you don't want bass on the Subwoofer jack when playing stereo content, then you need to either set LF/RF LARGE in the multi-channel configuration or set Subwoofer OFF in the multi-channel configuration. And that's true regardless of how you are using the Dedicated Stereo jacks -- i.e., with either setting of Stereo Signal.
--Bob
post #1230 of 1457
Thanks Bob ...I didn't check the regular 105 thread this morning and see that last night someone asked a similar question... oops.

When playing cds I will get "double bass" if I have speakers set to small, a 60hz crossover, and the downmixed stereo setting ? Meaning that my mains will get a full single so the material below 60hz will go to both the sub and mains. If that is true, would I also get double bass on 5.1 material?
Edited by initech - 12/22/13 at 11:41am
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