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post #241 of 672
2/19/13 at 11:01pm
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Since you have the SSP-800 and so do I, I am curious do you like the DACs in the Oppo BDP-105 better than the Classé?

Also did you upgrade from the BDP-95 and if so do you think the 105 sounds better?


l prefer the Classe. Not that the BDP-105 sounds bad just my personal preference.The Classe was designed to be a preamp/processor. The Oppo can be used directly but I need and prefer switching capability. We both know the Classe is in another league sonically, let's not kid ourselves. This is my first Oppo player!
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post #242 of 672
2/20/13 at 5:14am
I have no experience using Mod Wright or EVS. However, I would want to know if modding the 105 would have any effect on its ability to receive firmware updates. That is, modding the 105 (and this applies to any piece of equipment undergoing the process) means making all sorts of changes to things in /on and around the circuit boards and etc. Would that have any effect on the 105 to incorporate any firmware updates? You would hate to try to download some update only for it to fail. Clearly, you can't undo a mod like using a restore point on your PC should something go a bit astay on you
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post #243 of 672
2/20/13 at 9:41am
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I have no experience using Mod Wright or EVS. However, I would want to know if modding the 105 would have any effect on its ability to receive firmware updates. That is, modding the 105 (and this applies to any piece of equipment undergoing the process) means making all sorts of changes to things in /on and around the circuit boards and etc. Would that have any effect on the 105 to incorporate any firmware updates? You would hate to try to download some update only for it to fail. Clearly, you can't undo a mod like using a restore point on your PC should something go a bit astay on you

i ordered a modwright 105, wont have it for a few weeks

but it should not have any problems with updates.
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post #244 of 672
2/20/13 at 9:57am
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Originally Posted by kodi41 View PostSo then it is a line level pre in a blu ray box then? Interesting. This means then that Any digital source played thru this unit is either oppo dac or direct out? This would seriously solve a few problems for me if the Surround out-puts meet say Dolby HD/True, THx, ect standards. Would make it very very easy to integrate into my set up w/o changing anything. My Intergra RDV-1.1, as well the RDC 7.1- perhaps I have found new life yet for these units (which I do love so much) has it own ability to in/out its very very HQ Dac's. Please advise.

 

Hello I have an old Integra Research RDV-1, RDA-7 and RDC-7 (designed by BAT) now 10 years old and rocking.  Vintage gear they have moved back to the gym after I bought Classé SSP-800 :)

 

http://hometheaterreview.com/integra-research-rdc-7-av-preamp-reviewed/

 

http://www.hometheater.com/content/integra-research-rdc-7-preamplifier-processor

 

I use in a Panasonic Blu Ray Player DMP-BDT500 using 7 analog connections.  To exercise it sounds good!

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/news/article/panasonic-dmp-bdt500-blu-ray-player-review/12590

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post #245 of 672
2/20/13 at 12:45pm
Tonight's musical treat was Blood On The Tracks by Bob Dylan new SACD version Mobile Fidelity Original Master Recording......I would say this is the best version I have heard of this on digital although I think both the CD and SACD layers have slightly different presentations rather than either being "better"

It's a less harsh and clearer presentation than the original SACD hybrid from nearly ten years ago. This is a limited and flawed recording but it is also one of the greatest albums ever recorded so what's not to enjoy?
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post #246 of 672
2/20/13 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Hello I have an old Integra Research RDV-1, RDA-7 and RDC-7 (designed by BAT) now 10 years old and rocking.  Vintage gear they have moved back to the gym after I bought Classé SSP-800 smile.gif

http://hometheaterreview.com/integra-research-rdc-7-av-preamp-reviewed/

http://www.hometheater.com/content/integra-research-rdc-7-preamplifier-processor

I use in a Panasonic Blu Ray Player DMP-BDT500 using 7 analog connections.  To exercise it sounds good!

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/news/article/panasonic-dmp-bdt500-blu-ray-player-review/12590
Yea the old Integra is pretty hard to beat w/o spending some serious cash, and I love the looks! I wish Onkyo would not have droped the ball on these units but as seems it's the broken promises that are so quickly forgotten. I now have NAD's top unit and it is good but still not as good as the Integra. It just does the up to date HT stuff for me- and pretty well I might add for a receiver. The remote for this unit is very well designed.

How does that pany BR stack up to the oppo's?
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post #247 of 672
2/20/13 at 4:28pm
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Originally Posted by kodi41 View Post Yea the old Integra is pretty hard to beat w/o spending some serious cash, and I love the looks! I wish Onkyo would not have dropped the ball on these units but as seems it's the broken promises that are so quickly forgotten. I now have NAD's top unit and it is good but still not as good as the Integra. It just does the up to date HT stuff for me- and pretty well I might add for a receiver. The remote for this unit is very well designed.

How does that pany BR stack up to the oppo's?

Oppo rules but for 1/5 of the price it works for my gym :)

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post #248 of 672
2/20/13 at 4:29pm
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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Postl prefer the Classe. Not that the BDP-105 sounds bad just my personal preference.The Classe was designed to be a preamp/processor. The Oppo can be used directly but I need and prefer switching capability. We both know the Classe is in another league sonically, let's not kid ourselves. This is my first Oppo player!

 

Yes I greatly appreciate the Classé sound too bad they had to move manufacturing to China!

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post #249 of 672
2/20/13 at 4:56pm
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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post

l prefer the Classe. Not that the BDP-105 sounds bad just my personal preference.The Classe was designed to be a preamp/processor. The Oppo can be used directly but I need and prefer switching capability. We both know the Classe is in another league sonically, let's not kid ourselves. This is my first Oppo player!

Do you also prefer the Classe SSP-800 for 2-channel music. I know before you got the 105 you preferred using the balanced analogs from your I believe your Ayre cd player but with the analog bypass not selected. Is this still the case with your 105 and do you still don't engage the analog bypass? Also are you using the m/c analog outputs for blurays as opposed to HDMI and the SSP-800 dacs? I pretty much go with the Classe dacs for all m/c music and blurays but stick with the balanced analogs for 2-channel music.
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post #250 of 672
2/20/13 at 5:17pm
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post Do you also prefer the Classe SSP-800 for 2-channel music. I know before you got the 105 you preferred using the balanced analogs from your I believe your Ayre cd player but with the analog bypass not selected. Is this still the case with your 105 and do you still don't engage the analog bypass? Also are you using the m/c analog outputs for blurays as opposed to HDMI and the SSP-800 dacs?
I pretty much go with the Classe dacs for all m/c music and blurays but stick with the balanced analogs for 2-channel music.

 

Interesting I do the same with the BDP-95 :)

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post #251 of 672
2/20/13 at 6:01pm
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

Do you also prefer the Classe SSP-800 for 2-channel music. I know before you got the 105 you preferred using the balanced analogs from your I believe your Ayre cd player but with the analog bypass not selected. Is this still the case with your 105 and do you still don't engage the analog bypass? Also are you using the m/c analog outputs for blurays as opposed to HDMI and the SSP-800 dacs? I pretty much go with the Classe dacs for all m/c music and blurays but stick with the balanced analogs for 2-channel music.

I did listen to the Oppo in analog bypass and it sounded very good. I also have Wilson Watt/Puppy 7's full range speakers that do have bass but prefer to run them with the two JL audio F113 subwoofers. It reinforces the low end on material with information that is on the disc. The only issue is I have is not being able to use the bass management feature of the Classe when in bypass. I absolutely love the BDP-105 thru the SSP-800 for multi channel music and Blu-ray playback.I never knew how much information I was missing on the audio side using the Panasonic BD30 for Blu-ray playback!
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post #252 of 672
2/20/13 at 6:53pm
I just received the NAD M51 today and the Oppo 105 is not in the same league. Soundstage is much larger, vocals sound real and the detail is much better. I think I will exchange the 105 and get the 103 and use it as a transport for CDs and a blu ray player
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post #253 of 672
2/20/13 at 7:04pm
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Originally Posted by diononiz View Post

I just received the NAD M51 today and the Oppo 105 is not in the same league. Soundstage is much larger, vocals sound real and the detail is much better. I think I will exchange the 105 and get the 103 and use it as a transport for CDs and a blu ray player

So what does "the Oppo 105 is not in the same league" mean?
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post #254 of 672
2/20/13 at 7:07pm
I guess he likes the NAD better. It's also $2000!
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post #255 of 672
2/20/13 at 7:22pm
In comparsion:

Soundstage is much larger with the NAD
Voice sound more realistic and are sharply in the center of the speakers
Hear more detail and subtle nuances in the music

The oppo is good for a universal player but personally I found the sound a bit flat.
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post #256 of 672
2/20/13 at 10:39pm
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Originally Posted by diononiz View Post

In comparsion:

Soundstage is much larger with the NAD
Voice sound more realistic and are sharply in the center of the speakers
Hear more detail and subtle nuances in the music

The oppo is good for a universal player but personally I found the sound a bit flat.

Flat eek.gif
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post #257 of 672
2/21/13 at 5:58am
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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post

I did listen to the Oppo in analog bypass and it sounded very good. I also have Wilson Watt/Puppy 7's full range speakers that do have bass but prefer to run them with the two JL audio F113 subwoofers. It reinforces the low end on material with information that is on the disc. The only issue is I have is not being able to use the bass management feature of the Classe when in bypass. I absolutely love the BDP-105 thru the SSP-800 for multi channel music and Blu-ray playback.I never knew how much information I was missing on the audio side using the Panasonic BD30 for Blu-ray playback!

So am I right in assuming that you are also using the m/c analog outs of the 105 to the Classe for m/c music and bluray and prefer that to the HDMI and the Classe dacs?
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post #258 of 672
2/21/13 at 7:15am
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Originally Posted by diononiz View Post

In comparsion:

Soundstage is much larger with the NAD
Voice sound more realistic and are sharply in the center of the speakers
Hear more detail and subtle nuances in the music

The oppo is good for a universal player but personally I found the sound a bit flat.

My experience differs somewhat, perhaps reflecting system synergy. I run the 105 DSD into analog outputs into a Theta CBIII/Six Shooter combo in a very well treated room. The 105 compares very well against the $6000 Marantz UD9004 which is itself a wonderful (if quirky) player. The soundstage is big and focused (but not unrealistically focused.) Perhaps the 105 is a bit less engaging than the UD9004 (is that what you mean by "flat") but the difference is subtle.

I am having the 105 modded by EVS and hope to take it above and beyond what I achieved from my UD9004.
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post #259 of 672
2/21/13 at 7:16am
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Originally Posted by Eleanor D View Post

My experience differs somewhat, perhaps reflecting system synergy. I run the 105 DSD into analog outputs into a Theta CBIII/Six Shooter combo in a very well treated room. The 105 compares very well against the $6000 Marantz UD9004 which is itself a wonderful (if quirky) player. The soundstage is big and focused (but not unrealistically focused.) Perhaps the 105 is a bit less engaging than the UD9004 (is that what you mean by "flat") but the difference is subtle.

I am having the 105 modded by EVS and hope to take it above and beyond what I achieved from my UD9004.

I should add that I largely listen to classical SACD.
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post #260 of 672
2/21/13 at 8:29am
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Originally Posted by Eleanor D View Post

My experience differs somewhat, perhaps reflecting system synergy. I run the 105 DSD into analog outputs into a Theta CBIII/Six Shooter combo in a very well treated room. The 105 compares very well against the $6000 Marantz UD9004 which is itself a wonderful (if quirky) player. The soundstage is big and focused (but not unrealistically focused.) Perhaps the 105 is a bit less engaging than the UD9004 (is that what you mean by "flat") but the difference is subtle.

I am having the 105 modded by EVS and hope to take it above and beyond what I achieved from my UD9004.


Eleanor D,

What cables are attached to your BDP-105? I have heard subtle soundstage differences with different brands of cables plugged into my source units in the past. I was at one time lusting after both your Marantz and your Theta. I have owned Theta before! I think that (diononiz ) is just hearing the subtle differences in soundstage playback in source units. I have tried to describe it in an earler posts as the difference when you sit in an opera hall and listen to a performance with a full orchestra. Some seats place you closer the performance others place you further back. Both allow you to hear the music, it allows you two different persectives. I think that is designed into the components during R&D listening tests. I personally do not find the 105 "flat", it does not have an in your face or a romantic presentation. I believe it allows a wide and layered soundstage!
Edited by Sharp1080 - 2/21/13 at 1:13pm
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post #261 of 672
2/21/13 at 12:00pm
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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post

Eleanor D,

What cables are attached to your BDP-105? I have heard subtle soundstage differences with different brands of cables plugged into my source units in the past. I was at one time lusting after both your Marantz and your Theta. I have owned Theta before! I think that (diononiz ) is just hearing the subtle differences in soundstage playback in source units. I have tried to describe it in an earler posts as the difference when you sit in an opera hall and listen to a performance with a full orchestra. Some seats place you closer the performance others place you further back. Both allow you to hear the music, it allows you two different persectives. I think that is designed into the components during R&D listening tests. I personally do not find the 105 "flat", it does not have an in your face or a romantic presentation. I believe it alows a wide and layered soundstage!

+1 there is indeed the right cable for the right component and I mean power, rca and xlr wink.gif
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post #262 of 672
2/21/13 at 1:26pm
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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post

Eleanor D,

What cables are attached to your BDP-105? I have heard subtle soundstage differences with different brands of cables plugged into my source units in the past. I was at one time lusting after both your Marantz and your Theta. I have owned Theta before! I think that (diononiz ) is just hearing the subtle differences in soundstage playback in source units. I have tried to describe it in an earler posts as the difference when you sit in an opera hall and listen to a performance with a full orchestra. Some seats place you closer the performance others place you further back. Both allow you to hear the music, it allows you two different persectives. I think that is designed into the components during R&D listening tests. I personally do not find the 105 "flat", it does not have an in your face or a romantic presentation. I believe it allows a wide and layered soundstage!

I am using Analysis Plus Oval 8's. I use the XLRs for FL and FR and single ended for the rest. I have also used Cardas (various varieties) with equally good effect. I agree that "flat" is a negative connotation and there is nothing negative about the sound of the 105.
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post #263 of 672
2/21/13 at 7:18pm
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Originally Posted by Eleanor D View Post

I am using Analysis Plus Oval 8's. I use the XLRs for FL and FR and single ended for the rest. I have also used Cardas (various varieties) with equally good effect. I agree that "flat" is a negative connotation and there is nothing negative about the sound of the 105.

I agree. I find it anything but flat. It is very involving and holographic. The 105 is easily better than my Cambridge Audio 840C too. With the 105 I can hear deeper into the music and it is much more fun to listen to. Whether for two channel, Blu ray, or for running my over-the-air TV tuner through, the 105 is quite the deal.
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post #264 of 672
2/21/13 at 8:31pm
It could be system synergy but I don't seem to have a problem at all with my NAD M51 and my Classe CDP-102 both seem to be in a different league sonically.

I use the NAD-51 plugged right into my Classe CA-2300 (I did the same with the Oppo) and tried running through a Marantz SR7005 receiver which yielded worse results in my opinion

Equipment list (in case any of you are wondering)

B&W 804 Diamond
Classe CA-2300
Transparent Music link Super MM2 Speaker Cables and Interconnects

Marantz SR7005 for home theater use only.
B&W CM Center 2

Again I think the oppo is a good player but if you have very discriminate ears then I think you can do better with the NAD M51. I really wanted to like the OPPO as I love the idea of a universal player. Maybe the Modwright tube upgrade is a great option also. I just couldn't find anywhere to listen to one.
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post #265 of 672
2/21/13 at 9:19pm
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Originally Posted by diononiz View Post

It could be system synergy but I don't seem to have a problem at all with my NAD M51 and my Classe CDP-102 both seem to be in a different league sonically.

I use the NAD-51 plugged right into my Classe CA-2300 (I did the same with the Oppo) and tried running through a Marantz SR7005 receiver which yielded worse results in my opinion

Equipment list (in case any of you are wondering)

B&W 804 Diamond
Classe CA-2300
Transparent Music link Super MM2 Speaker Cables and Interconnects

Marantz SR7005 for home theater use only.
B&W CM Center 2

Again I think the oppo is a good player but if you have very discriminate ears then I think you can do better with the NAD M51. I really wanted to like the OPPO as I love the idea of a universal player. Maybe the Modwright tube upgrade is a great option also. I just couldn't find anywhere to listen to one.

I have discriminating ears! And I'm sure many here do as well, and I'm willing to bet discerning gear as well ! Its to bad the 105 didn't gel with your setup , but in the end you found something you like ,but that doesn't change the killer results many have found in the 105 !

Which by the way is in a league of its own as a" True Universal " with reference playback of all it touches wink.gif
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post #266 of 672
2/21/13 at 9:53pm
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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View PostI did listen to the Oppo in analog bypass and it sounded very good. I also have Wilson Watt/Puppy 7's full range speakers that do have bass but prefer to run them with the two JL audio F113 subwoofers. It reinforces the low end on material with information that is on the disc. The only issue is I have is not being able to use the bass management feature of the Classe when in bypass. I absolutely love the BDP-105 thru the SSP-800 for multi channel music and Blu-ray playback.I never knew how much information I was missing on the audio side using the Panasonic BD30 for Blu-ray playback!

 

What Xover do you use?

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post #267 of 672
2/22/13 at 9:22am
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What Xover do you use?

Crossover frequency? I was crossing over at 60HZ but bumped it up to 80HZ. Frequency sweep disc revealed no crossover gaps or humps. How about you?
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post #268 of 672
2/22/13 at 4:38pm
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

I have discriminating ears! And I'm sure many here do as well, and I'm willing to bet discerning gear as well ! Its to bad the 105 didn't gel with your setup , but in the end you found something you like ,but that doesn't change the killer results many have found in the 105 !

Which by the way is in a league of its own as a" True Universal " with reference playback of all it touches wink.gif

I agree it is fantastic universal player. I did enjoy the sound.
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post #269 of 672
2/22/13 at 5:16pm
Still waiting for DSD file playback support. This would make it even more of an audiophile machine
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post #270 of 672
2/24/13 at 5:23am
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Originally Posted by diononiz View Post

In comparsion:

Soundstage is much larger with the NAD
Voice sound more realistic and are sharply in the center of the speakers
Hear more detail and subtle nuances in the music

The oppo is good for a universal player but personally I found the sound a bit flat.

Thanks for your thoughts. I think I read on another forum that some poster preferred the Oppo over the NAD, but I could be wrong. If I can find that posting I will post that individuals thoughts here.
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