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post #331 of 1449
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Can the 103 be used as a DAC?
It lacks the coax / optical SPDIF and async USB inputs the 105 has, but it can be used as a DAC for HDMI sources.
post #332 of 1449

Is there a table comparing features between 103 and 105?

post #333 of 1449
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Is there a table comparing features between 103 and 105?
I would ask on the regular 103 or 105 threads. Basically if you want to use analog out (XLR stereo or multi) or feed direct from computer via USB, then 105, otherwise 103. I wish I had gone 105. As you said recently, it is expensive to upgrade- just go for the quality.
post #334 of 1449
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Originally Posted by jima4a View PostI would ask on the regular 103 or 105 threads. Basically if you want to use analog out (XLR stereo or multi) or feed direct from computer via USB, then 105, otherwise 103. I wish I had gone 105. As you said recently, it is expensive to upgrade- just go for the quality.

Just wondering, yes I am going for the 105 :)

post #335 of 1449
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Just wondering, yes I am going for the 105 smile.gif

No matter how good your downstream components are, if your source is substandard, that's the way your system will sound. Get the best source you can afford. You'll thank yourself later.
post #336 of 1449
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Originally Posted by Pokey77 View PostNo matter how good your downstream components are, if your source is substandard, that's the way your system will sound. Get the best source you can afford. You'll thank yourself later.

Agreed the recordings are also key :) as well as clean ears

post #337 of 1449
Fellas, the Oppo utilizes 2 x 24 bit DACs doing quad duty each.

The A1UDCI, and its D&M Holdings clones, the UD9004 (add shielded everything, copper chassis), and the MVP881 (glass front plate with buttons out of a 1950ies horror movie) carry 6x 32 bit AKM4399 chips, for SACD MCH you have x3 (2 channels per each), for SACD Stereo you get one dedicated DAC with fully balanced pathway, the last DAC does HDMI duty.

Show me a HT processor or receiver that has the processing power of the AKM chips, oh well Theta or Classe, but 6-10k, when you can spend a third of that for an A1 these days.

In other words what matters is one step DSD conversion, and then true transmission of the analog signal, preferably balanced. I treated my room ceiling and walls with fiberglass 2" panels, replacing the dropped ceiling tiles with DYIHometheater 24x24" and the wall with Dow-Corning 703 24x48" and the thick carpet over concrete floors made an amazing impact. Burlap sticks well to those with 3M 77.

By all means XT32 everything enjoying your receiver or processor's every imaginable combo of signal processing and reincoding if that suits you. Unfortunately for me 6 pairs of 0.5m King Cobras and a pair of XLRs with no processing except volume control will cut the mustard. It is because of the A1 that my SACD collection is now close to 500 titles. For everything else there is a PS3/Harmony adapter to create the ultimate 3D player/streamer.

And remember, all 10k SACD players before the A1UDCI mostly did 2 channel (yes, Esoterics feature AKM DACs too), while some of the very expensive MCH players are Oppo knockoffs, no fresh Ayre there:) After all design and components can be very expensive, unless you sponsor a halo product.

Let's hear it from the Jonestown gang:) Flamesuit on!

Edited by bobpaule - 3/12/13 at 12:45am
post #338 of 1449
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Originally Posted by bobpaule View Post

Let's hear it from the Jonestown gang:) Flamesuit on!

"One thing I don't understand: everything you just said." -- The Limey (1999)

-Bill
post #339 of 1449
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

It lacks the coax / optical SPDIF and async USB inputs the 105 has, but it can be used as a DAC for HDMI sources.

It can also be used as a DAC when using an attached hard drive or thumb drive or playing off the network - so it's really not all that limited.
post #340 of 1449

I placed my order last night can't wait to hear it, how much break in!

post #341 of 1449
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Originally Posted by bobpaule View Post

the last DAC does HDMI duty.
confused.gif For those analog HDMI outputs???
post #342 of 1449
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Is there a table comparing features between 103 and 105?
There's a list of differences in Bill's FAQ. But basically, the 105 has more inputs (coax and toslink SPDIF, and Async USB) than the 103, the headphone jack, and has better analog outputs.
post #343 of 1449
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Originally Posted by bobpaule View Post

Fellas, the Oppo utilizes 2 x 24 bit DACs doing quad duty each.

The A1UDCI, and its D&M Holdings clones, the UD9004 (add shielded everything, copper chassis), and the MVP881 (glass front plate with buttons out of a 1950ies horror movie) carry 6x 32 bit AKM4399 chips, for SACD MCH you have x3 (2 channels per each), for SACD Stereo you get one dedicated DAC with fully balanced pathway, the last DAC does HDMI duty.

Show me a HT processor or receiver that has the processing power of the AKM chips, oh well Theta or Classe, but 6-10k, when you can spend a third of that for an A1 these days.

In other words what matters is one step DSD conversion, and then true transmission of the analog signal, preferably balanced. I treated my room ceiling and walls with fiberglass 2" panels, replacing the dropped ceiling tiles with DYIHometheater 24x24" and the wall with Dow-Corning 703 24x48" and the thick carpet over concrete floors made an amazing impact. Burlap sticks well to those with 3M 77.

By all means XT32 everything enjoying your receiver or processor's every imaginable combo of signal processing and reincoding if that suits you. Unfortunately for me 6 pairs of 0.5m King Cobras and a pair of XLRs with no processing except volume control will cut the mustard. It is because of the A1 that my SACD collection is now close to 500 titles. For everything else there is a PS3/Harmony adapter to create the ultimate 3D player/streamer.

And remember, all 10k SACD players before the A1UDCI mostly did 2 channel (yes, Esoterics feature AKM DACs too), while some of the very expensive MCH players are Oppo knockoffs, no fresh Ayre there:) After all design and components can be very expensive, unless you sponsor a halo product.

Let's hear it from the Jonestown gang:) Flamesuit on!

There seems to be some debate about the relative merits of different chips and I lack the technical background to sort it all out. What is one step DSD conversion (and does the terminology imply that there is some sort of dreaded two step conversion?)

I do understand that the DAC chip is just one part of the equation, which is why Oppo continues to modify its designs and why additional modifications can help quite a lot. (Don't Ayre and Theta use the same platform and chip set that is in the Oppo?) And one nice feature of the Oppo is that you can use the balanced outputs for FL and FR in a multichannel setup. The Marantz (and the Denon?) does not allow this. The Marantz also has numerous ergonomic problems (the interminable load times for Blu Ray among them.)

Last but not least, I know what my ears tell me. I know that time plays tricks on one's perceptions so I won't swear to it; perhaps I am just drinking the Kool Aid smile.gif But my modded 105 seems to be as warm and engaging, yet still just as detailed, as the UD9004, perhaps even better. And the 105 plays all discs flawlessly, zooms as needed to fill my screen, does not occasionally confuse 2ch and MCH playback, does not occasionally boost the rear speaker volumes without warning. With comparable audio quality and hands down superior ergonomics, the 105 is a clear winner in my book.

Okay, give me that Kool Aid!
post #344 of 1449
hi guys...the oppo 105 thread is so informative and still learning , i just hooked up oppo 105 with my old Technics SU-G95 Amp and external Equalizer also.The speakers are Technics Full range,my setup right now is 2.1 with HSU VTF-15H subwoofer, the main speakers set as small and the sound is so wonderful and i am enjoying.Now i need little help,is LFE connection is good or i can connect my sub with other terminals.will appreciate ...
post #345 of 1449
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Originally Posted by bobpaule View Post

Fellas, the Oppo utilizes 2 x 24 bit DACs doing quad duty each.

The A1UDCI, and its D&M Holdings clones, the UD9004 (add shielded everything, copper chassis), and the MVP881 (glass front plate with buttons out of a 1950ies horror movie) carry 6x 32 bit AKM4399 chips, for SACD MCH you have x3 (2 channels per each), for SACD Stereo you get one dedicated DAC with fully balanced pathway, the last DAC does HDMI duty.

Show me a HT processor or receiver that has the processing power of the AKM chips, oh well Theta or Classe, but 6-10k, when you can spend a third of that for an A1 these days.

In other words what matters is one step DSD conversion, and then true transmission of the analog signal, preferably balanced. I treated my room ceiling and walls with fiberglass 2" panels, replacing the dropped ceiling tiles with DYIHometheater 24x24" and the wall with Dow-Corning 703 24x48" and the thick carpet over concrete floors made an amazing impact. Burlap sticks well to those with 3M 77.

By all means XT32 everything enjoying your receiver or processor's every imaginable combo of signal processing and reincoding if that suits you. Unfortunately for me 6 pairs of 0.5m King Cobras and a pair of XLRs with no processing except volume control will cut the mustard. It is because of the A1 that my SACD collection is now close to 500 titles. For everything else there is a PS3/Harmony adapter to create the ultimate 3D player/streamer.

And remember, all 10k SACD players before the A1UDCI mostly did 2 channel (yes, Esoterics feature AKM DACs too), while some of the very expensive MCH players are Oppo knockoffs, no fresh Ayre there:) After all design and components can be very expensive, unless you sponsor a halo product.

Let's hear it from the Jonestown gang:) Flamesuit on!

The Oppo uses 2 of the SABRE32 8-channel DACs, one for the multi-channel output and one for the dedicated stereo and headphone outputs. Each set can be run fully differential and the Oppo has a fully differential balanced output for stereo playback. The AKM has a dynamic range of 123 dB in stereo mode, the Sabre is 133 dB. Both are 32 bit resolution. The Denon is an outstanding player for sound but doesn't offer near the features of the Oppo for playback and its usability is cumbersome and slow.
Edited by Kris Deering - 3/12/13 at 12:31pm
post #346 of 1449
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

"One thing I don't understand: everything you just said." -- The Limey (1999)

-Bill

I know, has to do with in player versus outboard DSD processing.

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Originally Posted by Eleanor D View Post

There seems to be some debate about the relative merits of different chips and I lack the technical background to sort it all out. What is one step DSD conversion (and does the terminology imply that there is some sort of dreaded two step conversion?)

I do understand that the DAC chip is just one part of the equation, which is why Oppo continues to modify its designs and why additional modifications can help quite a lot. (Don't Ayre and Theta use the same platform and chip set that is in the Oppo?) And one nice feature of the Oppo is that you can use the balanced outputs for FL and FR in a multichannel setup. The Marantz (and the Denon?) does not allow this. The Marantz also has numerous ergonomic problems (the interminable load times for Blu Ray among them.)

Last but not least, I know what my ears tell me. I know that time plays tricks on one's perceptions so I won't swear to it; perhaps I am just drinking the Kool Aid smile.gif But my modded 105 seems to be as warm and engaging, yet still just as detailed, as the UD9004, perhaps even better. And the 105 plays all discs flawlessly, zooms as needed to fill my screen, does not occasionally confuse 2ch and MCH playback, does not occasionally boost the rear speaker volumes without warning. With comparable audio quality and hands down superior ergonomics, the 105 is a clear winner in my book.

Okay, give me that Kool Aid!

Thanks for claryfying that, I never auditioned a 105.

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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

The Oppo uses 2 of the SABRE32 8-channel DACs, one for the multi-channel output and one for the dedicated stereo and headphone outputs. Each set can be run fully differential and the Oppo has a fully differential balanced output for stereo playback. The AKM has a dynamic range of 123 dB in stereo mode, the Sabre is 133 dB. Both are 32 bit resolution. The Denon is an outstanding player for sound but doesn't offer near the features of the Oppo for playback and its usability is cumbersome and slow.

Good to know, i was mistaken on the DAC, my bad.
post #347 of 1449

I am getting the BDP-105 in a few days will try and see what happens through the Classé SSP-800 and direct to the amps!

 

Is there anything I should be worried about? Beside the fact that if I like the direct approach I will sell the Classé.

 

I only use BluRay and the Apple TV :)

post #348 of 1449
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

I am getting the BDP-105 in a few days will try and see what happens through the Classé SSP-800 and direct to the amps!


Is there anything I should be worried about? Beside the fact that if I like the direct approach I will sell the Classé.


I only use BluRay and the Apple TV smile.gif

some people swear by it, but some say that because the volume control loses bits when used

found this post made last week that seems to say it works great though
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=114588.0
post #349 of 1449
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Originally Posted by googly moogly View Post

Could a kind 105 owner help me out regarding 2 channel CD playback. Basically I would like to know your experience of how the Oppo compared to your stand alone CD player?
I have a Cyrus CD8x which I really like the sound off (after careful cable and power matching) but I can't have both. Has the updated power supply of the 105 rectified the bright sound during cd playback which was reported previously by owners of 95?

What did you end up doing? I am in the same position with the CD 8x and am curious how you found the 105?
post #350 of 1449
wse,

When I replaced my Proceed PAV/PDSD to get HDMI connectivity and lossless processing, the local audio shop told me the SSP 800 was the logical choice to preserve audio quality. I bought a used Cary 11a instead, because I got such a great deal. Turns out I use analog from the 105 with the inputs of the Cary set to bypass, and the 105 provides lossless processing. I use the Cary for input from a phono stage and Sony XA-5400ES, otherwise I'd try 105 analog direct to the amps. I've never heard an Classe SSP 800, but the sound is said to be excellent.

db
post #351 of 1449
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

I am getting the BDP-105 in a few days will try and see what happens through the Classé SSP-800 and direct to the amps!


Is there anything I should be worried about? Beside the fact that if I like the direct approach I will sell the Classé.


I only use BluRay and the Apple TV smile.gif

I really think you'll like the BDP-105 thru the SSP-800, especially when you play your Blu Ray discs. Prometheus was the disc that made me realize how subtle yet detailed sounds in movies can enhance the performance.
post #352 of 1449
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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post

I really think you'll like the BDP-105 thru the SSP-800, especially when you play your Blu Ray discs. Prometheus was the disc that made me realize how subtle yet detailed sounds in movies can enhance the performance.

Prometheus was also the disc I first demo'd my 105 with. It has phenomanal picture- and sound-quality. It showed me just how good the 105 really is. I'm lovin' the 105 every night now. It is an awesome player for a reasonable price.
post #353 of 1449
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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post

I really think you'll like the BDP-105 thru the SSP-800, especially when you play your Blu Ray discs. Prometheus was the disc that made me realize how subtle yet detailed sounds in movies can enhance the performance.

I will try the 105 with Skyfall, just got it from Netflix today, Oppo should arrive today!
post #354 of 1449
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

I will try the 105 with Skyfall, just got it from Netflix today, Oppo should arrive today!

Skyfall's soundtrack was lackluster compared to Prometheus. The big crash sequence is pure audio and visual enjoyment. Make sure to crank up the subs at that point. That was the most gut wrenching (no joke) bass I ever experienced in my life smile.gif
post #355 of 1449
Skyfall sounds fine with my setup.
post #356 of 1449
What I meant was, there is nothing memorable about Skyfall's soundtrack, especially when compared to Prometheus.
post #357 of 1449
I have both Skyfall and Prometheus and if I had to pick one, I'd go with Prometheus. The first ten minutes of that movie are what I'm talkin about........good LFE, music score and directional surround. They both have good soundtracks but Prometheus is reference quality, IMHO

If I were wse and had my new 105 which replaced my 95, I think for the sake of comparison I'd want to play something I'm familiar with that I had heard numerous times on the 95.
post #358 of 1449
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Originally Posted by SergeantYnot View PostSkyfall's soundtrack was lackluster compared to Prometheus. The big crash sequence is pure audio and visual enjoyment. Make sure to crank up the subs at that point. That was the most gut wrenching (no joke) bass I ever experienced in my life smile.gif

I agree I love the Prometheus movie last time I watched it shook the walls.

 

I think first I might listen to this Audio Bliss :)

 

Album

 

  http://www.2l.no/pages/album/090.html

 

- DTS HD MA 192kHz/24 bit 5.1
- DTS HD MA 96kHz/24 bit 7.1
- Auro-3D 96kHz/24 bit 9.1 
- LPCM 192kHz/24 bit STEREO

 

Audio Bliss I am very familiar with the recording and it is superb, highly recommended.

 

Just got the BDP-105 :)

post #359 of 1449
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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post

I really think you'll like the BDP-105 thru the SSP-800, especially when you play your Blu Ray discs. Prometheus was the disc that made me realize how subtle yet detailed sounds in movies can enhance the performance.

Did you use the m/c analog outputs or the HDMI connection to the SSP-800? I used the HDMI out to the SSP-800 and was very impressed with the audio, but I don't have the 105 yet and with my player I prefer the HDMI route for bluray.
post #360 of 1449
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

Did you use the m/c analog outputs or the HDMI connection to the SSP-800? I used the HDMI out to the SSP-800 and was very impressed with the audio, but I don't have the 105 yet and with my player I prefer the HDMI route for bluray.


I used the HDMI. I also tried the XLR outputs just for s__t and giggles. I think with this combo the HDMI sounds fantastic, I discovered the true capabilities of my SSP-800 when I connected the BDP-105 into my system. I was hearing spatial cues and details I had not heard before. I absolutely love this combination.
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