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post #361 of 1458
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View PostDid you use the m/c analog outputs or the HDMI connection to the SSP-800? I used the HDMI out to the SSP-800 and was very impressed with the audio, but I don't have the 105 yet and with my player I prefer the HDMI route for bluray.

I use HDMi Direct for movies in BluRay, and MC Analog for SACDs I have not tried the 105 yet hopefully this afternoon!

 

This is an other reason why I got the OPPO BDP-105! "Oppo has a fully differential balanced output for stereo playback."

post #362 of 1458
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

I use HDMi Direct for movies in BluRay, and MC Analog for SACDs I have not tried the 105 yet hopefully this afternoon!

This is an other reason why I got the OPPO BDP-105! "Oppo has a fully differential balanced output for stereo playback."

With your 105, will you continue using HDMI for movies, and multichannel for music? I take it you're using Audyssey or some ARC for movies?
post #363 of 1458
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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post

I have both Skyfall and Prometheus and if I had to pick one, I'd go with Prometheus. The first ten minutes of that movie are what I'm talkin about........good LFE, music score and directional surround. They both have good soundtracks but Prometheus is reference quality, IMHO

If I were wse and had my new 105 which replaced my 95, I think for the sake of comparison I'd want to play something I'm familiar with that I had heard numerous times on the 95.

I consider the BD of Prometheus the finest implementation of 7.1 I have ever heard on my system, and that was watched with the 95 at the time. The intricate details of the alien ship, like the steam and water droplets hitting the ground are pristine in every channel. Sounds like the rocks blowing around in the wind, and even the alien technology like the holograms all are very unique. It's quite an incredible experience for home theater audio. I frequently discuss with one of my audiophile friends how movie studios are getting lazy with their soundtracks; the audio mixing in movies like Prometheus definitely are appreciated.

My main motivation for upgrading to dual subs is the big crash sequence. When I saw that scene in the Imax theater, I had never experienced gut wrenching bass like that before, maybe being on a roller coaster ride would be a comparable feeling. Perhaps the Imax theater had too much bass that day, but I had an epiphany right after walking out of the theater thinking "I'm gonna need a bigger sub". biggrin.gif
post #364 of 1458
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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post

I used the HDMI. I also tried the XLR outputs just for s__t and giggles. I think with this combo the HDMI sounds fantastic, I discovered the true capabilities of my SSP-800 when I connected the BDP-105 into my system. I was hearing spatial cues and details I had not heard before. I absolutely love this combination.

Thanks for that info, I also appreciate the SSP-800 and was able to sell my Parasound Halo P7 m/c preamp and am getting closer to getting the BDP-105.
post #365 of 1458
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

I use HDMi Direct for movies in BluRay, and MC Analog for SACDs I have not tried the 105 yet hopefully this afternoon!

This is an other reason why I got the OPPO BDP-105! "Oppo has a fully differential balanced output for stereo playback."

I am looking forward to hearing your thoughts when you get it. The balance analog outputs would be the main reason I would also get the 105 over the 103.
post #366 of 1458
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

I am looking forward to hearing your thoughts when you get it. The balance analog outputs would be the main reason I would also get the 105 over the 103.
The better SABRE DAC and overall better analog output board implementation in the 105 vs 103 makes a much bigger difference than worrying about using balanced versus unbalanced outputs - dual differential or not.
post #367 of 1458
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Originally Posted by SergeantYnot View PostWith your 105, will you continue using HDMI for movies, and multichannel for music? I take it you're using Audyssey or some ARC for movies?

The SSP-800 has no Audyssey so I get it straight :)

post #368 of 1458
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Originally Posted by SergeantYnot View PostI consider the BD of Prometheus the finest implementation of 7.1 I have ever heard on my system, and that was watched with the 95 at the time. The intricate details of the alien ship, like the steam and water droplets hitting the ground are pristine in every channel. Sounds like the rocks blowing around in the wind, and even the alien technology like the holograms all are very unique. It's quite an incredible experience for home theater audio. I frequently discuss with one of my audiophile friends how movie studios are getting lazy with their soundtracks; the audio mixing in movies like Prometheus definitely are appreciated.

My main motivation for upgrading to dual subs is the big crash sequence. When I saw that scene in the Imax theater, I had never experienced gut wrenching bass like that before, maybe being on a roller coaster ride would be a comparable feeling. Perhaps the Imax theater had too much bass that day, but I had an epiphany right after walking out of the theater thinking "I'm gonna need a bigger sub". biggrin.gif

YES I agree that is the best movies in terms of 7.1 that I have heard, I also upgraded to two JL Audio F113 for that but now with the three 800 Diamond it really shakes the room :)

post #369 of 1458
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

The better SABRE DAC and overall better analog output board implementation in the 105 vs 103 makes a much bigger difference than worrying about using balanced versus unbalanced outputs - dual differential or not.

Not ignoring the Sabre dacs but since my Classe SSP-800 prepro has balanced analog inputs that was also a consideration.
post #370 of 1458
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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post

I have both Skyfall and Prometheus and if I had to pick one, I'd go with Prometheus. The first ten minutes of that movie are what I'm talkin about........good LFE, music score and directional surround. They both have good soundtracks but Prometheus is reference quality, IMHO

If I were wse and had my new 105 which replaced my 95, I think for the sake of comparison I'd want to play something I'm familiar with that I had heard numerous times on the 95.

Not only sound, but the disc based 3D version is superb, together with Under The Sea it can make a 3D believer of anyone not half blind.
post #371 of 1458
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Originally Posted by Eleanor D View Post

There seems to be some debate about the relative merits of different chips and I lack the technical background to sort it all out. What is one step DSD conversion (and does the terminology imply that there is some sort of dreaded two step conversion?)

I do understand that the DAC chip is just one part of the equation, which is why Oppo continues to modify its designs and why additional modifications can help quite a lot. (Don't Ayre and Theta use the same platform and chip set that is in the Oppo?) And one nice feature of the Oppo is that you can use the balanced outputs for FL and FR in a multichannel setup. The Marantz (and the Denon?) does not allow this. The Marantz also has numerous ergonomic problems (the interminable load times for Blu Ray among them.)

Last but not least, I know what my ears tell me. I know that time plays tricks on one's perceptions so I won't swear to it; perhaps I am just drinking the Kool Aid smile.gif But my modded 105 seems to be as warm and engaging, yet still just as detailed, as the UD9004, perhaps even better. And the 105 plays all discs flawlessly, zooms as needed to fill my screen, does not occasionally confuse 2ch and MCH playback, does not occasionally boost the rear speaker volumes without warning. With comparable audio quality and hands down superior ergonomics, the 105 is a clear winner in my book.

Okay, give me that Kool Aid!

If you read my other posts you will know I tend to exaggerate a bit.

Your Oppo is a fine machine. Even the Absolute Sound, a magazine i have
been getting for free for several years now, usually heavy on analog equipment, has
a superlative article on the 105.

It is good to know the 2009 UD9004/A1C/MVP881 still keep their ground.

I was also very impressed with the Oppo DV-980H at the time, about the
finest piece of equipment i had seen out of the Middle Kingdom in my time.
post #372 of 1458
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Originally Posted by SergeantYnot View Post

I consider the BD of Prometheus the finest implementation of 7.1 I have ever heard on my system, and that was watched with the 95 at the time. The intricate details of the alien ship, like the steam and water droplets hitting the ground are pristine in every channel. Sounds like the rocks blowing around in the wind, and even the alien technology like the holograms all are very unique. It's quite an incredible experience for home theater audio. I frequently discuss with one of my audiophile friends how movie studios are getting lazy with their soundtracks; the audio mixing in movies like Prometheus definitely are appreciated.

My main motivation for upgrading to dual subs is the big crash sequence. When I saw that scene in the Imax theater, I had never experienced gut wrenching bass like that before, maybe being on a roller coaster ride would be a comparable feeling. Perhaps the Imax theater had too much bass that day, but I had an epiphany right after walking out of the theater thinking "I'm gonna need a bigger sub". biggrin.gif

Prometheus is the best Blu ray I've played on my system. It is clearly better in both video and sound than Skyfall. I'm a big Bond fan, but Prometheus really is quite a reference disc. I've still to watch some of my faves like the Matrix, Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace, 3:10 toYuma. Did watch Hidalgo and Iron Man and they both look stunning. But still, Prometheus is still my reference. Not my favorite, but still the best. Dances with Wolves also looked quite nice.
post #373 of 1458
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Originally Posted by Pokey77 View PostPrometheus is the best Blu ray I've played on my system. It is clearly better in both video and sound than Skyfall. I'm a big Bond fan, but Prometheus really is quite a reference disc. I've still to watch some of my faves like the Matrix, Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace, 3:10 toYuma. Did watch Hidalgo and Iron Man and they both look stunning. But still, Prometheus is still my reference. Not my favorite, but still the best. Dances with Wolves also looked quite nice.

We have similar tastes in movies :) except for Dances with Wolves!

post #374 of 1458
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Front Channels: three B&W 800 Diamonds powered by monoblock Classé CA-M600 crossover at 40HZ 

Surround Channels: Four B&W802D powered by Classé CA-5200 crossover at 80HZ

That way the subs takes the load off from the surround channels

If I can sell the BDP-95 I will make the move to the 105.

Why dont you put the 95 in the wife's room?
post #375 of 1458
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Originally Posted by VRDnhorns View PostWhy dont you put the 95 in the wife's room?

No TVs in any rooms! I sold the BDP-95 and I just received the BDP-105 :)

post #376 of 1458
Can I just point out Prometheus is a god awful movie truly terrible.

If I started a band and we made a reference quality audio recording but the music was dire-would it be a benchmark?

biggrin.gif
post #377 of 1458
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Originally Posted by BenGodzilla View Post

Can I just point out Prometheus is a god awful movie truly terrible. If I started a band and we made a reference quality audio recording but the music was dire-would it be a benchmark?biggrin.gif

To each their own smile.gif
post #378 of 1458
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

No TVs in any rooms! I sold the BDP-95 and I just received the BDP-105 smile.gif

My marriage improved by putting a tv into an addition for my wife . . .
post #379 of 1458
I just read the review of the 105 from the absolute sound

which i downloaded digitally http://www.nextnewsstand.com/products/the-absolute-sound/tas-232/

for $4.99 (was the entire april issue)


the review was 'rave" and a "no brainer"
post #380 of 1458
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Give OPPO Tech Support a call and they'll walk you through diagnosing this. For example, when you select the Front or Rear HDMI Input (whichever one you are using), and press the Info button on the OPPO remote (upper right of the Arrow keys), what does it display on your TV regarding the format of the audio/video input coming in on that HDMI Input?

The single most common reason for HDMI problems is cabling. Note that with HDMI a cable which is too short can cause problems just like a long cable. (The sweet spot for HDMI cable length between any two devices is 6 feet, 2 meters.) You can check if cabling is the problem by temporarily setting your source device to output 480p (not 480i). 480p is the "simplest" HDMI signal. If that works, then try 1080i from the source. Then try 1080p if your source can output that. If the lower resolution (lower bandwidth) signals work but the higher bandwidth signals do not work, then that is evidence of cabling problems. Keep in mind that HDMI is an end to end protocol so the HDMI run from the source all the way through to the AVR and TV must be considered. Any daisy-chained cables, adapters, wall plates, HDMI switches or other gizmos anywhere in the length of the HDMI path can be the cause.

Obviously if the HDMI Inputs are bad on your unit, OPPO will take care of you under Warranty.
--Bob

Replaced an Oppo HDMI 6' cable with a $15 Radio Shack cable. Uverse Lipsync issue fixed, sounds better, picture looks the same or slightly better.
Edited by VRDnhorns - 3/16/13 at 4:19pm
post #381 of 1458
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Originally Posted by BenGodzilla View Post

Can I just point out Prometheus is a god awful movie truly terrible.
 

Yes.  A waste of time.

post #382 of 1458
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Originally Posted by VRDnhorns View Post

Replaced an Oppo HDMI 6' cable with a $15 Radio Shack cable. Uverse Lipsync issue fixed, sounds better, picture looks the same or slightly better.


Opps, not completely fixed but much better.
post #383 of 1458
I have owned the oppo BDP-105 for roughly 10 days.
As a Blu-ray player it is incredible.

I've also listened to music through Sennheiser HD-650 headphones, plugged into the headphone jack on the front panel.
Sound quality is excellent, and scales with the source material.

On CD, I notice that the quality is much better when I convert it to Flac, and read it from a USB drive.
For SACDs, I find that the quality is much better in the default PCM mode. When I turn off the HDMI output, and listen to the SACD in direct DSD mode, the music seems harder to listen to - less coherent. (I did this comparison with a modern high quality JS Bach recording by I Barocchisti)
96-24 downloads provide consistently excellent results.
post #384 of 1458
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Yes.  A waste of time.

Well that why we all have different taste in movies, music, wine, and every thing else other wise it would be boring!
post #385 of 1458
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Originally Posted by BenGodzilla View Post

Can I just point out Prometheus is a god awful movie truly terrible.

If I started a band and we made a reference quality audio recording but the music was dire-would it be a benchmark?

biggrin.gif

Yes Ben, you may point that out. As for me, I was pointing to the SQ and VQ on the disc, not the quality of the film making. I don't own the disk, just Netflix'd it. It is great to show what the 105 can do. And that's what this thread is about. Rating movies is a different forum. -As wse pointed out, "to each their own".
post #386 of 1458
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Originally Posted by smargo77 View Post

I just read the review of the 105 from the absolute sound



the review was 'rave" and a "no brainer"

There is a review of the Oppo 105 in the German magazine "Stereoplay" (April issue). The review is extremely positive, but still placing it "only" biggrin.gif fifth in their overal Blu-Ray player listing (Ayre DX 5 and 2x McIntosh clearly above it).
post #387 of 1458
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Originally Posted by Ettepet View Post

There is a review of the Oppo 105 in the German magazine "Stereoplay" (April issue). The review is extremely positive, but still placing it "only" biggrin.gif fifth in their overal Blu-Ray player listing (Ayre DX 5 and 2x McIntosh clearly above it).

How much money do they get in advertising from these firms? Oh by the way they only cost 10 times more and we have Oppo inside!
post #388 of 1458
Hi all,

Great thread and very useful in sorting out the SQ pros and cons of the 105. I am interested in upgrading from my BDP-95 to the 105 and have questions on where to best set up the 105.

Currently, I have the 95 in my eq rack at the back of my HT room. It is connected by HDMI to my Integra DHC-80.3 for movies only and by XLR outs to a McIntosh C-50 pre-amp for 2 channel audio. I use the HT pass through on the Mac from the 80.3 for movies. The Mac pre-amp has long run XLRs (30'+) connected to amps on my stage in a FL/FR bi-amp setup.

I would like to place the 105 on the stage and go directly into the amps with shorter XLRs. This would also allow me to sell the C-50. However, this would require a long HDMI run (30') back to the Integra in order use the 105 for BluRays/DVDs.

A second alternative is to replace the 95 with the 105 in the eq rack with the same setup as the 95 and keep the C-50.

A third alternative is to hookup the 105 at the front of the stage as described above and leave the 95 in the rack attached to the DHC-80.3 for movies.

My priority is 2 channel audio, so I can live with a small drop off in PQ and SQ from the 95 for BluRays and DVDs. Which would be the best setup of the three alternatives above?

Thanks in advance,
Max
post #389 of 1458
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

How much money do they get in advertising from these firms? Oh by the way they only cost 10 times more and we have Oppo inside!

Very possible, but having heard tube amplification I am sure there is some room for improvement left seeing the Oppo is built with solid state only.
post #390 of 1458
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Originally Posted by Ettepet View PostVery possible, but having heard tube amplification I am sure there is some room for improvement left seeing the Oppo is built with solid state only.

I think tubes color the sound making it warmer!

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