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post #661 of 1445
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post


yeah, I've both players myself as well (SCD-XA5400ES and BDP-105), still waiting to get complete room set-up with projector and screen, etc.,... I'm excited to eventually compare SQ between these two players. I'm a little surprised to hear folks leaning towards the BDP-105 for analog (RCA or XLR). I guess their sound signatures are "different"?

"depressingly hot with sun, haze and SoCal blue skies promised" ("dinosaur weather") smile.gif

What exactly has you surprised?smile.gif Also, if you are not going to setup your equipment I know a nice home for it. I will even let you come over and listen to it from time to time.biggrin.gif
post #662 of 1445
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Dinosaur weather, I like it better than mold weather smile.gif[/quote

If you like humidity, we got plenty of that down here in South Florida but at-least I can can play golf year round. I'm about to call Crutchfield and the local audio boutique I deal with to see if I can audition in my system in my house and also get their input on one of the 3 universal source players I have been researching (Marantz, UD7007, Cambridge Azur 752 and lastly the Oppo105. I have figured out away to keep the Denon A1UDCI and have the room for one of these. I doubt that i could sell it any way at the price that it is worth to me just for it's music playback capabilities due to it's fickleness with playing some bluray disc's.
post #663 of 1445
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

What exactly has you surprised?
that it's immediately noticeable. Have you actually compared both using XLR OUT's?
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

Also, if you are not going to setup your equipment I know a nice home for it. I will even let you come over and listen to it from time to time
sure smile.gif

Yeah, I'm in a pickle, got a very tight situation in my small-ish room (11ft wide). Trying to figure in an 80in wide projection screen, front mains, with a component rack on one side, all across the front wall. Also in need of a lot of physical help mounting and shuffling equipment around.

In the mean time have been limited to using my other system in living-room (Denon AVR-2112CI, Oppo BDP-103, Energy RC-Series speakers). Not bad, but really itching to play around with more refined audio set-up.
Edited by WestCoastD - 5/15/13 at 1:37pm
post #664 of 1445
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Dinosaur weather, I like it better than mold weather smile.gif
hee hee. Be nice to have a few additional months of rainy weather being we're facing a 9 inch rain deficit (in SoCal), and summer already pretty much here.
Edited by WestCoastD - 5/15/13 at 12:46pm
post #665 of 1445
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

I have figured out away to keep the Denon A1UDCI and have the room for one of these. I doubt that i could sell it any way at the price that it is worth to me just for it's music playback capabilities due to it's fickleness with playing some bluray disc's.
does it fail playing some BluRay disc's? What about CD's?
post #666 of 1445
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Originally Posted by dbphd View Post

In my current setup the Oppo 105 uses the single balanced analog (XLR) input of the Cary 11a; the 5400ES uses HDMI and unbalanced analog inputs. I have considered buying an XLR switch so both can use the XLR input, but is the sound with the balanced output from the 5400ES actually superior to that from its unbalanced output? Does Sony give balanced stereo special analog treatment? Oppo gives stereo output special treatment, e.g. its own Sabre32 DAC, but I'm not sure balanced differs from unbalanced. The cable from player to processor is 2' for either player
this is what I would like to know- "whether Sony give's balanced stereo special analog treatment"?
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post #668 of 1445
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

does it fail playing some BluRay disc's? What about CD's?

Yes it plays cd's, sacd's, and dvd-a's and It sounds terrific. It has a problem with playing many of the bluray disc's I have rented thru Blockbuster yet so far it plays all the bluray disc's that I actually own. I am guessing this player doesn't play well with disc's that are not spotless. Where as with my Denon 3800 bd player in the bedroom it doesn't seem to matter.
post #669 of 1445
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Originally Posted by SergeantYnot View Post

Quick question, has anyone seen any research that compares the analog sound quality of an 83SE to that of a 103? I read a post recently that claims both are very similar in sound quality.

I owned both and have had a chance to compare. I prefer the 83SE in both SQ and PQ that I returned the 103.
post #670 of 1445
I know this is probably a Jriver question but I don't have the energy to start tracking that thread too.

I've had my 105 since Nov or whenever the early buy models went out, everything is great. I've been using foobar as a server and my phone as a controller to push music to the 105 and it all works great. I had to reload my laptop and instead of trying to figure out how to reconfigure foobar again, I loaded Jriver instead. Jriver does make everything pretty easy. When I play music on my laptop it appears to sound great (for a laptop - the the SQ may not be enough to notice an issue). If I use the laptop as a sever and controller or use it as a server and my phone as a controller and push it to the 105 it sounds pretty bad. It is fuzzy and sounds over driven. I'm using wifi from the laptop but the 105 is connected to Ethernet. I've tried wasapi, direct sound and everything else. I've changed the volume settings. Everything appears to be working perfectly except when playing on the 105 (but doing the exact same thing using Foobar was perfect).
post #671 of 1445
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Originally Posted by tme110 View Post

I know this is probably a Jriver question but I don't have the energy to start tracking that thread too.

I've had my 105 since Nov or whenever the early buy models went out, everything is great. I've been using foobar as a server and my phone as a controller to push music to the 105 and it all works great. I had to reload my laptop and instead of trying to figure out how to reconfigure foobar again, I loaded Jriver instead. Jriver does make everything pretty easy. When I play music on my laptop it appears to sound great (for a laptop - the the SQ may not be enough to notice an issue). If I use the laptop as a sever and controller or use it as a server and my phone as a controller and push it to the 105 it sounds pretty bad. It is fuzzy and sounds over driven. I'm using wifi from the laptop but the 105 is connected to Ethernet. I've tried wasapi, direct sound and everything else. I've changed the volume settings. Everything appears to be working perfectly except when playing on the 105 (but doing the exact same thing using Foobar was perfect).
Check the JRiver DLNA / streaming options to make sure it isn't setup to transcode to something like low bitrate MP3. If you're using the DLNA DMR functionality, the WASAPI, Direct Sound, etc. options in JRiver don't apply - those would only affect the sound if you are using HDMI, SPDIF, Async USB, or analog audio outputs on the PC. With DLNA DMR, the PC will essentially be sending a FLAC (or MP3, or WAV, etc. depending on the file you're playing and how JRiver is configured to transcode when streaming) file to the Oppo and the Oppo handles the decoding.
post #672 of 1445
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+1 .... Thanks for the link wse!

post #673 of 1445
I hope this hasn't been discussed before: I am trying to find the "best" way for using the Oppo 105 for stereo playback.
My dealer showed me the NAD M50 Digital Player with the M51 DAC and M52 HD Storage. This combination can play directly from CD (Digital Player -> DAC) or rip the CD to the HD storage and play it from there (HD -> Digital Player -> DAC). IMHO it sounded better when it was played from the HD Storage. I don't want to spend $ 5.000 for all three units so I tested playing ALACs from my Mac Mini (with Itunes, EQ etc. switched off) via the asynchronus USB connection. IMHO it sounds quite good, but it seems that low frequencies are a bit louder compared to playing CD's directly. Then I converted some ALACS to FLAC and put them on a external SSD to play them directly in the Oppo. This seems to give the best sound, the lower frequencies are not louder and the stage seems to be wider and deeper.
Has someone made the same experience? Would it be worth to use another player software instead of Itunes?
post #674 of 1445
^ Keep in mind that there is no crossover processing in the OPPO when playing via the Asynchronous USB DAC Input. That Input feeds directly into the DACs, bypassing any audio processing in the OPPO. If you are using Small speakers and a Subwoofer configured in the OPPO that may account for the difference in bass that you heard between the USB DAC Input and playing the CD either from shiny disc or from an attached hard drive (both of which provide access to all the player's audio processing).
--Bob
post #675 of 1445
Bob, thanks for your reply.
I have a 4.0 system, for stereo playback I go from the Oppo directly in my stereo pre. Dedicated analog outs are set to L/R Front, front and rear set to large, Sub and Center off. All speakers have the same distance.
Imho the bass is about 1dB louder with the Mac.
Overall in my opinion a external SSD gives the best sound, or the quality could be degraded by the Mac, or maybe the ALACs. I don't know....
post #676 of 1445
On the whole area of music playback, the BDP-105 is what finally allowed me to lighten my equipment rack and sell my beloved Denon DVD-3930CI as it sounded better.

However, as one might hope from the price differential, when playing the same two-channel source up to 96/24 I still find a Wadia S7i to sound much, much better than the 105. biggrin.gif
post #677 of 1445
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Originally Posted by kucharsk View Post

On the whole area of music playback, the BDP-105 is what finally allowed me to lighten my equipment rack and sell my beloved Denon DVD-3930CI as it sounded better.

However, as one might hope from the price differential, when playing the same two-channel source up to 96/24 I still find a Wadia S7i to sound much, much better than the 105. biggrin.gif

I would hope so for approximately $14K.biggrin.gif
post #678 of 1445
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Originally Posted by kucharsk View Post

when playing the same two-channel source up to 96/24 I still find a Wadia S7i to sound much, much better than the 105. biggrin.gif
for the price of the Wadia S7i I'd rather have the Oppo BDP-105, and a pair of B&W 802's smile.gif
post #679 of 1445
For the price of a Wadia S7i, I'd rather have a Playback Designs.
post #680 of 1445
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Originally Posted by Mungam View Post

I hope this hasn't been discussed before: I am trying to find the "best" way for using the Oppo 105 for stereo playback.
My dealer showed me the NAD M50 Digital Player with the M51 DAC and M52 HD Storage. This combination can play directly from CD (Digital Player -> DAC) or rip the CD to the HD storage and play it from there (HD -> Digital Player -> DAC). IMHO it sounded better when it was played from the HD Storage. I don't want to spend $ 5.000 for all three units so I tested playing ALACs from my Mac Mini (with Itunes, EQ etc. switched off) via the asynchronus USB connection. IMHO it sounds quite good, but it seems that low frequencies are a bit louder compared to playing CD's directly. Then I converted some ALACS to FLAC and put them on a external SSD to play them directly in the Oppo. This seems to give the best sound, the lower frequencies are not louder and the stage seems to be wider and deeper.
Has someone made the same experience? Would it be worth to use another player software instead of Itunes?

Am I being too obvious, if so, apologies.

I would think avoiding any external software or playback systems, and play flac files direct from a usb hard drive letting the Oppo do all the d/a work would be the best. That's how I use my 95. Then Oppo analogue out to analogue in of amp/receiver or whatever you use. I haven't played with the xlr balanced outputs - mainly just to lazy/penny-pinching to buy the appropriate leads, so just use the standard Fron L/R outs. Fairly impressed with the sound. Have played around with setting the speakers to Small, and having my sw get into the act as well. Not sure whether I prefer that to setting the Fronts to Large, and leaving the SW out of it.
post #681 of 1445
As a satisfied user of an early 83 and moving to a new home with separate room for a music/theatre, have just purchased the 105.

Briefly thought about the Cambridge Audio rival but Oppo’s unrivalled support meant that it didn’t stand much of a chance.

I was greatly surprised that the SQ via HDMI is such a leap forward from the 83 given that the same DACS are used. It must be the realignment that Oppo did or the split sound /picture setting (probably a combination of both), but the sound has much more depth, soundstage and smoothness even though the Oppo is just a few days out of the box.

Tried the direct connection from the 105 to my amps and yet another clear jump in SQ.

By only reservation, which I am surprised that no one in this thread has remarked on before, is the single global setting for the crossover when using the Sabre DACS for MC.

The 83, as is common, enables you to choose different crossover frequencies for MC. I have been using 40 for the fronts, 80 for the centre and 110 for the surrounds and get a good smooth crossover at those points.

Why did Oppo go backwards?Any chance that they will provide a firmware upgrade? Please Oppo.
post #682 of 1445
^ Say what? The OPPO BDP-83 didn't allow ANY control of the Crossover for its multi-channel Analog outs. All "SMALL" speakers were processed through a fixed, 80Hz Crossover.

Are you sure you aren't confusing the settings in the player with the settings you used to use in your AVR?
--Bob
post #683 of 1445
Yes, Bob, you are right.
I did not use the analog outs on the 83 only the 105 so I was confusing the functions of my Denon receiver used as a pre pro. Sorry.
But the important question is still why not variable crossovers on the analog outs on the 105?
post #684 of 1445
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ Keep in mind that there is no crossover processing in the OPPO when playing via the Asynchronous USB DAC Input. That Input feeds directly into the DACs, bypassing any audio processing in the OPPO. If you are using Small speakers and a Subwoofer configured in the OPPO that may account for the difference in bass that you heard between the USB DAC Input and playing the CD either from shiny disc or from an attached hard drive (both of which provide access to all the player's audio processing).
--Bob
HelloBob,

I am trying to find out How good is the OPPO's 105 DAC to use with USB from a MacMini compared with other DAC's performance like the one in the Wyred4Sound DAC2 SE, any suggestions?

Thank you

Mike
post #685 of 1445
^ I don't really know enough about the standalone DACs to give you any useful comparison, but the DACs and Analog audio output stage of the 105 are getting excellent reviews. Keep in mind that a piece of the puzzle is the software you use in the Mac to process the audio files you want to play and render them into the Stereo LPCM that gets sent to the OPPO. Folks have been saying very nice things about Audirvana for that.
--Bob
post #686 of 1445
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post^ I don't really know enough about the standalone DACs to give you any useful comparison, but the DACs and Analog audio output stage of the 105 are getting excellent reviews. Keep in mind that a piece of the puzzle is the software you use in the Mac to process the audio files you want to play and render them into the Stereo LPCM that gets sent to the OPPO. Folks have been saying very nice things about Audirvana for that.--Bob

Yes I have been using Audirvana for years and with every new release it gets better :)

 

Quick question what is the difference between 

 

 "Stereo Signal: To select the audio source that will be processed and sent out through the STEREO and the XLR BALANCED STEREO audio terminals. The available options are:

 

1. Down-mixed Stereo – The stereo or down-mixed stereo signals are processed and sent out from the dedicated stereo output terminals.

 

2. Front Left/Right – The original Front Left (FL) and Front Right (FR) signals are sent out from the dedicated stereo output terminals. The purpose is to fully utilize the better DAC hardware originally assigned to the dedicated stereo outputs for customers who prefer multichannel speakers and do not need the dedicated stereo output or zone 2 output. When this option is selected, the dedicated stereo output ports should be used as the Front outputs of the 7.1ch / 5.1ch / Stereo Audio group. The original FL/FR RCA connectors should not be connected."

 

What will give me the best sound when I use XLR for stereo 1. Down-mixed Stereo or 2. Front Left/Right?

 

From what I read 2. Front Left/Right, yes?

 

Also I should disconnect the  RCA for Front Left and Front R since I have XLR cables connected in?

post #687 of 1445
^ No need to disconnect the stereo RCA when using the stereo XLR.

Stereo Output DOWN-MIXED STEREO sets the Dedicated Stereo XLR and RCA output pairs (both of them) to operate independently of the Speaker Configuration settings. You will always get a Stereo down-mix (with LFE discarded) and no Crossover processing. This is the normal setting when using either of these jack pairs for just stereo content with 2.0 speakers, and is also useful when playing multi-channel content into a 2.0 speaker configuration -- i.e., no subwoofer and thus no need for Crossover processing.

Stereo Output FRONT LEFT/RIGHT sets those two jack pairs to respond to whatever Speaker Configuration settings you have made for the Left Front / Right Front speakers of the multi-channel set. Use this if you want to use a Dedicated Stereo Analog output pair in lieu of the normal LF/RF RCA jacks from the multi-channel set. For example you might do this if you want to play stereo content into a 2.1 speaker configuration -- and thus need Crossover processing steering bass to the Sub output of the multi-channel set. Of course if you are using it this way then there's no point in ALSO cabling up the LF/RF RCA jacks from the multi-channel set.
--Bob
post #688 of 1445

Ok so I am confused.

 

Maybe Roger might shed some light as he has the SSP-800 and the Oppo?

 

Here is the back of the SSP-800 and the Oppo BDP-105

SSP800-back.jpg

 
 
 
 
BDP-105 Back View
 
For Multichannel bypass I need to plug in the eight RCA cables, but what if I want to use the Stereo analogue? I plugged the XLR into Analog Audio In and that works. But can I plugged RCA and XLR to get use of the two DAC in Multichannel? Too bad I can draw cables on this

Edited by wse - 6/13/13 at 5:34pm
post #689 of 1445
Do you want to play stereo content as 2.0 speakers or 2.1 speakers? Do you want to do Crossover processing in the OPPO or in the Classe?
--Bob
post #690 of 1445
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Do you want to play stereo content as 2.0 speakers or 2.1 speakers? Do you want to do Crossover processing in the OPPO or in the Classe?
--Bob

So when I play stereo using the XLR the processing I'd done I the OPPO

When I play multichannel analog I want to be able to use the two DACS in the OPPO.

Can I plug both the XLR and the RCA in the stereo audio out?
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