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post #751 of 1448
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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post


I, like you went back to vinyl albeit briefly. I have very similar equipment with the exception being the Parasound phono stage I have. Many of my LPs were still unwrapped as I went on a buying spree just around the time that CDs first were released. The LPs were real inexpensive. Anyway and cutting to the chase here, I was able to A/B many of the records that I have CDs for and while I do agree they sound VERY similar, I found that I've become quite lazy and getting up every 20 minutes to "flip" the LP is not worth the almost undetectable differences. So I think I've come to the conclusion that it's probably time to sell all my vinyl and related gear.

PM me if interested. I'm open to any offer.

Torqdog,

When I mentioned the CIA phono stage was the piece I expected to upgrade, my plan has been to upgrade it to a Parasound JC-3. So if that's the Parasound you have, I'm interested. You can email me at dbphd@cox.net.

I agree playing vinyl is much more labor intensive than even the old days of plopping a platter on the AR, blowing on the stylus, then playing. Now I dress the stylus, check the strobe and level --- not because I expect the level to have changed, but just because the bubble is there -- place the record and top it with the stabilizer, then let the device lower the arm onto the record. Then there's the VPI record cleaning machine to deal with. It's all part of a ritual that adds to the entertainment. If I want to listen to some music, I go to CD or SACD. Furthermore, I've found the sound of only the expensive kind of vinyl you buy from places like Acoustic Sound to be a bit superior to SACDs. So I agree with your point of view, and if it were not for the beautiful TD 124 I've lusted after since I first saw one and the SME arm with all of its adjustments and dangling weight that intrigues me, I'd be in the totally digital camp too. Vinyl does not stroke the rational in me, and most of my old vinyl has been played many times on the old AR through a Marantz 18 to AR3a speakers, so they are not pristine.

Please let me know about the Parasound.

db
post #752 of 1448
If you have a good pair of speakers

Good amplifier

Phono preamp

Turntable,even entry level,Direct drive or belt drive PICS are the TT I use

All vinyl is as it was recorded

So playback you get everything that is available from the lows to mids and highs

If quality sound is what you want

Try a turntable,you will not be disappointed
post #753 of 1448
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Originally Posted by silveramp View Post

If you have a good pair of speakers

Good amplifier

Phono preamp

Turntable,even entry level,Direct drive or belt drive PICS are the TT I use

All vinyl is as it was recorded

So playback you get everything that is available from the lows to mids and highs

If quality sound is what you want

Try a turntable,you will not be disappointed

This is a 105 SQ thread wink.gif
post #754 of 1448
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Originally Posted by dbphd View Post

Torqdog,

When I mentioned the CIA phono stage was the piece I expected to upgrade, my plan has been to upgrade it to a Parasound JC-3. So if that's the Parasound you have, I'm interested. You can email me at dbphd@cox.net.

I agree playing vinyl is much more labor intensive than even the old days of plopping a platter on the AR, blowing on the stylus, then playing. Now I dress the stylus, check the strobe and level --- not because I expect the level to have changed, but just because the bubble is there -- place the record and top it with the stabilizer, then let the device lower the arm onto the record. Then there's the VPI record cleaning machine to deal with. It's all part of a ritual that adds to the entertainment. If I want to listen to some music, I go to CD or SACD. Furthermore, I've found the sound of only the expensive kind of vinyl you buy from places like Acoustic Sound to be a bit superior to SACDs. So I agree with your point of view, and if it were not for the beautiful TD 124 I've lusted after since I first saw one and the SME arm with all of its adjustments and dangling weight that intrigues me, I'd be in the totally digital camp too. Vinyl does not stroke the rational in me, and most of my old vinyl has been played many times on the old AR through a Marantz 18 to AR3a speakers, so they are not pristine.

Please let me know about the Parasound.

db
PM sent
post #755 of 1448
Mastering for vinyl had to reduce the bass output to prevent the stylus from being overwhelmed. At least that is the way I remember it and don't miss snap crackle or pops.
post #756 of 1448
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

It's called the RIAA curve.
Silveramp, don't be a dork and post huge pics of your TT on this thread, we've all seen, heard, owned multiples of them.
There's no Pedestrian-Resolution thread on AVS but if you want to start one limited to 16-bit resolution, feel free to fire one up.
Or you can can just go away, your post will be deleted

Hey guys, I'm no fan of turntables and vinyl either, but how about a little bit of politeness. A friendlly, "Hey, dude, turntables are not what this thread is about, can you move your TT stuff to a more relevant thread, please?"

Surely the world is hell and gone enough with intolerance, sectarianism, racism and what have you without starting an audio-sectarian war in what should be a fun forum? I am sure we have all gone off topic once or twice on this or some other forum at some time in our e-lives?

Oh, and sorry for the preaching - but intolerance makes me SO intolerant!!
post #757 of 1448
* cancels post on continuing lack of support in 105 for playing player piano rolls *

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--Bob (Sheesh! Not even MIDI!) P.
post #758 of 1448
In so far as I contributed to the drift in this thread I responded to a query asking about how the sound of a 105 compared to vinyl. I thought my follow-on posts were private, and was surprised to see them in this thread.

db
post #759 of 1448
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Originally Posted by dbphd View Post

In so far as I contributed to the drift in this thread I responded to a query asking about how the sound of a 105 compared to vinyl. I thought my follow-on posts were private, and was surprised to see them in this thread.

db

As far as I understand (and I am still relatively new to forum posting) if you used either the "Multi", "Quote" or "Reply" buttons in bottom right-hand corner of a post, you are posting on the thread. To reply privately, move your mouse to the poster's name on left-hand side of post, and choose "Send PM" from the pop-up menu.

And no need to be too apologetic about honest mistakes - we are all (or most of us, I hope!) friends here!

Later edit: maybe I should have made this a PM myself!!!eek.gif
post #760 of 1448
I don't have issues with discussions of 105 vs vinyl sound. I have no interest going back to vinyl but I am excited that we may get DSD to give what I hope is the best if both worlds, analog like sound with full dynamics and low noise floor.
post #761 of 1448

Oppo BDP-105 Connect throught the USB to a Mac Mini (1TB SSD) with iTune+ Audirvana with DIRAC live for me  biggrin.gif

 

Forget vinyl it's fun but not practical and as far as sound well.....

post #762 of 1448
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Oppo BDP-105 Connect throught the USB to a Mac Mini (1TB SSD) with iTune+ Audirvana with DIRAC live for me  biggrin.gif


Forget vinyl it's fun but not practical and as far as sound well.....

wse,

I was thinking of downloading Audirvana today to my unused Mac Mini with AQ Carbon asymmetrical cable bought just for this purpose. Can you remind me what DIRAC is?

For me, playing vinyl is entertainment, part of which is ritual. And I don't even have to play a record to experience joy, because the TD 124 and SME arm are such visual icons for me. That the icon sounds so good is a bonus.

db
post #763 of 1448
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Originally Posted by madaudio View Post

As far as I understand (and I am still relatively new to forum posting) if you used either the "Multi", "Quote" or "Reply" buttons in bottom right-hand corner of a post, you are posting on the thread. To reply privately, move your mouse to the poster's name on left-hand side of post, and choose "Send PM" from the pop-up menu.

And no need to be too apologetic about honest mistakes - we are all (or most of us, I hope!) friends here!

Later edit: maybe I should have made this a PM myself!!!eek.gif

I responded to AVS reply requests that showed up as email items in my mailbox, so I assumed I was emailing a reply rather than posting a reply. The replies were specific to queries, and not meant for general publication.

db
post #764 of 1448
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Originally Posted by dbphd View Post

wse, I was thinking of downloading Audirvana today to my unused Mac Mini with AQ Carbon asymmetrical cable bought just for this purpose. Can you remind me what DIRAC is? For me, playing vinyl is entertainment, part of which is ritual. And I don't even have to play a record to experience joy, because the TD 124 and SME arm are such visual icons for me. That the icon sounds so good is a bonus. db

AUDIRVANA is great software,
- http://www.macworld.co.uk/macsoftware/reviews/?reviewid=3449245
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/software/3448862/audirvana-plus-14-review/#zzz

Here is information about DIRAC

http://www.dirac.se/en/consumer-products/dirac-rcs.aspx
Edited by wse - 6/28/13 at 12:20pm
post #765 of 1448
IIRC, the vinyl discussion here was somewhat related to the sound emanatting from the 105s DACs. Then it sort of morphed into a mini vinyl discussion.........no foul, no harm done.........thread drift happens allot in these forums.

I am amazed at how far they have come as it relates to making digital sound so much like analog warmth. Back in the day some 20 years ago or so, I could hear a very distinct difference between vinyl and digital. Today, not so much though I never did experience what one of the more expensive vinyl offerings of today sound like.
post #766 of 1448
How high DSD sample rates does the 105 support?? I am curious about these new 6MHz DSDs...
post #767 of 1448
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Originally Posted by Webmonkey View Post

How high DSD sample rates does the 105 support?? I am curious about these new 6MHz DSDs...

As of now, only the base rate: 2.82mHz.

post #768 of 1448
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

As of now, only the base rate: 2.82mHz.

where is the hardware limitatino? in the DACs??? I am curious if a future firmware upgrade would allow higher.
post #769 of 1448

I do not know but it sure ain't the DACs.  

post #770 of 1448
How to set up the 105 to use as a preamp out to bryston 4bsst2,do I need to do anything with menu

How to control volume

Can I plug my TT preamp into the 105,which inputs do I use

I will use the XLR outputs to the bryston
post #771 of 1448


I am enjoying the 105,very pleased
post #772 of 1448
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Originally Posted by silveramp View Post

How to set up the 105 to use as a preamp out to bryston 4bsst2,do I need to do anything with menu

How to control volume

Can I plug my TT preamp into the 105,which inputs do I use

I will use the XLR outputs to the bryston

Volume control for the XLR stereo Analog audio outputs is done via buttons on the remote control. In Setup, make sure your Volume control is set to VARIABLE (not FIXED). Note that there are only XLR output jacks for stereo Analog audio. By default, you will get a stereo down-mix on those if you play multi-channel content. If you want to keep the output multi-channel (instead of hearing the stereo down-mix) you will need to use the RCA Analog outputs of the 105.

The 105 has no Analog audio INPUTS. If you want to connect your pre-amp to it as a source of other stuff to play you will need to use a digital audio connection between the pre-amp and the 105 -- Optical/Coax or HDMI. Alternatively, any digital audio sources you currently have connected to your pre-amp might be plugged into the 105 directly, without involving that pre-amp.

The Manual for the 105 is available for down-load from the OPPO Digital web site (a PDF file):

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-105/blu-ray-BDP-105-Support.aspx

--Bob
post #773 of 1448
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Originally Posted by Webmonkey View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

As of now, only the base rate: 2.82mHz.

where is the hardware limitatino? in the DACs??? I am curious if a future firmware upgrade would allow higher.

OPPO has not made any statement regarding future changes to the DSD support. If you are considering the player now, it would be best to assume no changes coming. Then if they do come, you can be pleasantly surprised.
--Bob
post #774 of 1448
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Volume control for the XLR stereo Analog audio outputs is done via buttons on the remote control. In Setup, make sure your Volume control is set to VARIABLE (not FIXED). Note that there are only XLR output jacks for stereo Analog audio. By default, you will get a stereo down-mix on those if you play multi-channel content. If you want to keep the output multi-channel (instead of hearing the stereo down-mix) you will need to use the RCA Analog outputs of the 105.

The 105 has no Analog audio INPUTS. If you want to connect your pre-amp to it as a source of other stuff to play you will need to use a digital audio connection between the pre-amp and the 105 -- Optical/Coax or HDMI. Alternatively, any digital audio sources you currently have connected to your pre-amp might be plugged into the 105 directly, without involving that pre-amp.

The Manual for the 105 is available for down-load from the OPPO Digital web site (a PDF file):

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-105/blu-ray-BDP-105-Support.aspx

--Bob


So I only wil use the 105 for stereo play,2 channel,out of the XLR outputs,Thankyou for the info

So I can not plug my TT preamp into the 105??
post #775 of 1448
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Originally Posted by silveramp View Post

So I only wil use the 105 for stereo play,2 channel,out of the XLR outputs,Thankyou for the info

So I can not plug my TT preamp into the 105??

The 105 has no analog inputs so there are no inputs to connect the preamp into.
post #776 of 1448
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Originally Posted by tme110 View Post

The 105 has no analog inputs so there are no inputs to connect the preamp into.

So my option is to keep my McI ntosh C220
post #777 of 1448
I've had my 105 for over two months now, and am overall quite pleased with it, especially the analog stereo performance that's improved dramatically with over 200+ hours o f burn-in and use.

My question (an old issue, I'm sure): would there would be any qualitative audible improvement (other than a 6dB increase in gain) using XLR vs. RCA interconnects for analog stereo out to my NAD M3 integrated amp? The distance between from my Oppo and NAD is less than 1 meter -- and there's no interference factors I'm aware of.

I ask this because it seems many posters here who use the 105 for its analog audio performance use XLR. Just checking with real-world users -- despite having an Oppo tech tell me that unless I was running inordinate lengths between the two units, there is no advantage to XLR.
post #778 of 1448
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Originally Posted by silveramp View Post

So my option is to keep my McI ntosh C220
If you do have analog sources like turntables than yes, you need to keep your C220.
If all your sources are digital - you don't have to.

In my system all sources a digital and oppos XLR outputs drive my power amp directly
post #779 of 1448
Sorry double post.
Edited by MrAcoustat - 7/2/13 at 12:20pm
post #780 of 1448
Sorry Silveramp but all you will get with a turntable is - snack - crackle - and pops - if that's what quality sound is for you then fine but not for me.
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