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post #841 of 1458
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Originally Posted by gbaby View PostEvery review I've read stated the sound of the Oppo 95 and 105 were so similar as to be indistinguishable. With that in mind the Oppo BDP-95 is a very warm sound through its analog out and with a good amount of weight and body. It is for this reason, I personally preferred the sound ot the Sony SCD-XA5400ES over the Oppo BDP-95. The sony played that last octave of high frequency that I missed with the Oppo.
I have since purchased a new processor, the Bryston SP3, and I prefer the sound of its D/A converter over the sound of the the Oppo and Sony ES.

Good for you!

post #842 of 1458

For those of you who were wondering about the Silver Oppo:

 

"The silver is bonded to brushed aluminum during the manufacturing process and is not simply painted on to the surface."

post #843 of 1458
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Hey gbaby ! its time to try again my friend and especially since I hear the SP3 won't be getting the DSD upgrade the 105 is all you need to close the gap on a stellar setup. In the post above I think the 105 may have addressed some of your reservations as well. you know I felt about the 95 biggrin.gif and I can tell you beyond a shadow of doubt , its not the same sounding player as the 95 and is indeed worthy of another try smile.gif

Hello audiofan. To be honest, I am contemplating buying another Oppo, but if I do, it will be the Oppo BDP 103. I would buy it for DVD-A as well as for playing those flac files and the like. When I had the 95, I recall DSD sounding slightly better than PCM using the D/A converter of the Oppo. Even with that, I was not too fond of the overall sound of the Oppo vs. my Sony ES. I'd rather have a blu-ray player with DVD-A that has a better D/A converter than my Bryston SP3. Aside from the Oppo:), can you suggest one?
post #844 of 1458
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Originally Posted by gbaby View Post

Hello audiofan. To be honest, I am contemplating buying another Oppo, but if I do, it will be the Oppo BDP 103. I would buy it for DVD-A as well as for playing those flac files and the like. When I had the 95, I recall DSD sounding slightly better than PCM using the D/A converter of the Oppo. Even with that, I was not too fond of the overall sound of the Oppo vs. my Sony ES. I'd rather have a blu-ray player with DVD-A that has a better D/A converter than my Bryston SP3. Aside from the Oppo:), can you suggest one?

Nope, try Cambridge
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I asked the question about the silver color over on the owner's thread because I have yet to find a picture that shows in good detail the actual LOOK of the silver 105. My preference would in fact have been NO paint, bonded or otherwise, and just the brushed aluminum finish. Not everyone's cup of tea, but easier for the manufacturer and generally speaking smarter looking to my eye. Does anyone who has a silver 105 care to share a close up, well lit picture of the front of the unit? Thanking you in advance.
post #846 of 1458
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Originally Posted by gbaby View Post

Hello audiofan. To be honest, I am contemplating buying another Oppo, but if I do, it will be the Oppo BDP 103. I would buy it for DVD-A as well as for playing those flac files and the like. When I had the 95, I recall DSD sounding slightly better than PCM using the D/A converter of the Oppo. Even with that, I was not too fond of the overall sound of the Oppo vs. my Sony ES. I'd rather have a blu-ray player with DVD-A that has a better D/A converter than my Bryston SP3. Aside from the Oppo:), can you suggest one?

Yep its the Cambridge or the Oppo 105, I'd say try the 105 first and then if not to your likening, the 103 is what I'd go for and let the SP3 handle the rest , this way you can still tap those files and the many other benefits, but I'm willing to bet you will like the 105 wink.gif
post #847 of 1458
Sinistre1,

Not a lot of owner photos yet, but there is this post in the 105 Owner's Thread with photos of the 105 in Silver:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1439524/official-oppo-bdp-105-owners-thread/5970#post_23447142

Click on the photos to enlarge them.
--Bob
post #848 of 1458
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Originally Posted by Sinistre1 View PostI asked the question about the silver color over on the owner's thread because I have yet to find a picture that shows in good detail the actual LOOK of the silver 105. My preference would in fact have been NO paint, bonded or otherwise, and just the brushed aluminum finish. Not everyone's cup of tea, but easier for the manufacturer and generally speaking smarter looking to my eye. Does anyone who has a silver 105 care to share a close up, well lit picture of the front of the unit? Thanking you in advance.

OK will try today if I have time

post #849 of 1458
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Yep its the Cambridge or the Oppo 105, I'd say try the 105 first and then if not to your likening, the 103 is what I'd go for and let the SP3 handle the rest , this way you can still tap those files and the many other benefits, but I'm willing to bet you will like the 105 wink.gif

Thanks to you and wse for your recommendations. Unfortunately, Kal Rubinson has already compared the D/A converter of the 105 with the SP3's D/A converter as well as that of the Sony ES and he liked the D/A converter of the SP3 better.
post #850 of 1458
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Originally Posted by gbaby View Post

Thanks to you and wse for your recommendations. Unfortunately, Kal Rubinson has already compared the D/A converter of the 105 with the SP3's D/A converter as well as that of the Sony ES and he liked the D/A converter of the SP3 better.

For $10,000 the SP3's DAC should sound better than the 105...a whole lot better.rolleyes.gif
post #851 of 1458
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Originally Posted by gbaby View Post

Thanks to you and wse for your recommendations. Unfortunately, Kal Rubinson has already compared the D/A converter of the 105 with the SP3's D/A converter as well as that of the Sony ES and he liked the D/A converter of the SP3 better.

Well I didn't know his opinion was the voice of G... Plus at 10 time the price I sure hope so smile.gif
post #852 of 1458
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Originally Posted by gbaby View Post

Thanks to you and wse for your recommendations. Unfortunately, Kal Rubinson has already compared the D/A converter of the 105 with the SP3's D/A converter as well as that of the Sony ES and he liked the D/A converter of the SP3 better.

He also commented on the Oppo105's analog performance via the SP3 as a preamp wink.gif Many including myself have put the 105 straight to an amp with no pre in the chain and wow is all I can say on that. I still stand firm on the recommendation you give it a try!
post #853 of 1458
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

He also commented on the Oppo105's analog performance via the SP3 as a preamp wink.gif Many including myself have put the 105 straight to an amp with no pre in the chain and wow is all I can say on that. I still stand firm on the recommendation you give it a try!

I need to try the direct approach and see? Of course bypassing the SSP-800 can be done just using analogue and using the SSP-800 as a volume control!
post #854 of 1458
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

I need to try the direct approach and see? Of course bypassing the SSP-800 can be done just using analogue and using the SSP-800 as a volume control!
If you're using the SSP-800 as a volume control, then you aren't completely bypassing it...
post #855 of 1458
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

If you're using the SSP-800 as a volume control, then you aren't completely bypassing it...

I thought that by using pure direct it bypass any internal processing from the SSP-800!
post #856 of 1458
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

I thought that by using pure direct it bypass any internal processing from the SSP-800!
There's still some circuitry involved in the processor. When people are talking about bypassing their preamps / processors in the 105 threads, they're talking about connecting the Oppo direct to their power amps taking anything in between (other than interconnects biggrin.gif) completely out of the loop.
post #857 of 1458
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

I thought that by using pure direct it bypass any internal processing from the SSP-800!
If you're using the volume control of your processor, then you're using its preamp, which is processing. A true bypass, as gsr stated, is using the 105 as a preamp (using its volume control) direct to a power amp. I'm not saying this is the "ultimate" in sound/fidelity though. There's a consensus that prefers their own preamp, and would rather keep the Oppo's preamp at a fixed value (i.e. 100). If you don't have dedicated amps, this would be a near equivalent solution.
Edited by DanF8500 - 7/16/13 at 7:41pm
post #858 of 1458
I have noted several folks (including reviewers) who preferred using their preamp (JC2, Ayre, etc.) vs the digital volume of the 105. In my setup the 105 straight would likely be best. With 4-5$k preamp or a 9-10$k processor that does analog well, one may prefer using the volume control of the pre/pro.
post #859 of 1458
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Originally Posted by jima4a View Post

I have noted several folks (including reviewers) who preferred using their preamp (JC2, Ayre, etc.) vs the digital volume of the 105. In my setup the 105 straight would likely be best. With 4-5$k preamp or a 9-10$k processor that does analog well, one may prefer using the volume control of the pre/pro.

Is that in theory or from experience?

post #860 of 1458
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Originally Posted by gsr View PostThere's still some circuitry involved in the processor. When people are talking about bypassing their preamps / processors in the 105 threads, they're talking about connecting the Oppo direct to their power amps taking anything in between (other than interconnects biggrin.gif) completely out of the loop.

Fair enough I will try that , my problem is I have 25 feet XLR going to the SSP-800

post #861 of 1458
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Is that in theory or from experience?
Just from what I have read. No first hand experience (yet).
post #862 of 1458
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

I need to try the direct approach and see? Of course bypassing the SSP-800 can be done just using analogue and using the SSP-800 as a volume control!
I tried the Oppo direct to amplifier and was mildly impressed. Problem is that I need the Parasound C-2 controller in my system for all the different stuff that runs through it. If it was just the Oppo and the amps, I could probably live without it.
post #863 of 1458
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

You're a prime candidate to upgrade the 105! I noticed you shared the same take on the 95's sound that I did and similarly had concerns that the 105 might lose that and possibly take things too far and tip up on the brighter side of things. First thing I must point out is the 105 and 95 are not the same in sound as some would like to say , the 105 could infact be considered the evolution in sound of the 95 and in my case and what I've found , it picked up were the 95 left off and addressed in my opinion the very issues (if you can call them that) the 95 had by walking right on the line and being very careful not to cross it in giving up that last bit of resolution and soundstaging one would suspect it could possibly deliver. This is what I was shocked to find in the 105's sound , it was still as engaging as the 95 but went were the 95 wouldn't, the soundstage is deeper and wider and the midrange is more fleshed out revealing more musical tonality that the 95 kept at bay. The highs still retain beauty and a pristine quality but extend further lending a more tactile quality to cymbals and leading edge transients without a trace of brightness. The lows are a definite improvement as well, here the 95's full robust bass has gained pitch definition in the 105 and delivers different shades of bass as it still digs as deep as the 95's weighty sound, but far better defined and controlled ( especially after a 100 hrs on the player) which only augments the improvements in the mids and highs.

I was cautious and careful on the upgrade to the 105 as I planed to keep the 95 till the cows came home and possibly mod it one day, but the 105's feature set was useful and compelling for the money , the construction ,fanless design ( which I was never really bothered by) and the host of other features and not to mention the resale value, more than justified the few hundred I spent to gain what I knew the 95 could possibly be capable of.

look no further as I suspect the 105 is just what you're looking for wink.gif


Audiofan1, thank you for your post and comparison of the 95 versus 105! This is very helpful and by far the best comparison I've come across. I ordered a silver 105 today and I think your review will help others make a decision on the 105 as well!

One thing I found that improved the Oppo 95's sound (but not quite enough) was replacing the IEC inlet with an Oyaide "Inlet R." It took away the last bit of sibilance that the Magnepan's were revealing and helped a great deal with soundstage and bass definition. Since going for the 105 saves me quite a bit from buying a DAC (thanks again) I'm sending the unit off for a Bybee music rail mod. I'll also change the IEC inlet again. For power I've been using a Neotech 3200 cord with Oyaide 079's on both ends. Really awesome match with the Oppo 95 and emphasizes the sound qualities we like (way more than Cardas GR, and ESP Reference cords). This time I'm taking a chance on Acoustic Revive's new audio sensual 18000 wire which I believe will be an even better match for the Oppo players. I'll report back with results.
post #864 of 1458
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Originally Posted by audiotunesx View Post

Audiofan1, thank you for your post and comparison of the 95 versus 105! This is very helpful and by far the best comparison I've come across. I ordered a silver 105 today and I think your review will help others make a decision on the 105 as well!

One thing I found that improved the Oppo 95's sound (but not quite enough) was replacing the IEC inlet with an Oyaide "Inlet R." It took away the last bit of sibilance that the Magnepan's were revealing and helped a great deal with soundstage and bass definition. Since going for the 105 saves me quite a bit from buying a DAC (thanks again) I'm sending the unit off for a Bybee music rail mod. I'll also change the IEC inlet again. For power I've been using a Neotech 3200 cord with Oyaide 079's on both ends. Really awesome match with the Oppo 95 and emphasizes the sound qualities we like (way more than Cardas GR, and ESP Reference cords). This time I'm taking a chance on Acoustic Revive's new audio sensual 18000 wire which I believe will be an even better match for the Oppo players. I'll report back with results.

Glad it helped smile.gif

Looking forward to your findings and chime in on the powercord upgrade as well sounds like good stuff wink.gif
post #865 of 1458
Silver oppo 1 month old


My 1 month oppo 105
post #866 of 1458
So do any of you that have done A/B comparisons prefer using your preamp or prepro as opposed to the 105 direct to the amps when using the analog outs on the 105 (for sound quality, not convenience)? I know the 105 is highly regarded going direct to the amps. The second question is whether the volume still reverts to 100% after FW updates?
post #867 of 1458
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Originally Posted by jima4a View Post

The second question is whether the volume still reverts to 100% after FW updates?
To be clear, the volume reverts to 100% after resetting to factory defaults (they haven't changed that), regardless of whether a firmware update was installed or not.
post #868 of 1458
I have tried direct to Bryston 4BSST2 out to Focus Audio,Was ok

Out to McIntosh C220 Tube Much Much Better

IMHO
post #869 of 1458
yes - i've been running modWright 105 via xlr directly to my nCore amps for a while now and it absolutely creams my old cary slp98 setup...!
post #870 of 1458
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Originally Posted by jima4a View Post

So do any of you that have done A/B comparisons prefer using your preamp or prepro as opposed to the 105 direct to the amps when using the analog outs on the 105 (for sound quality, not convenience)? I know the 105 is highly regarded going direct to the amps.
I'm a firm believer that the least amount of circuitry your "analog" audio passes from component to component in your audio system, the cleaner, less colored, your final sound profile will be. The final analog signal will have a cumulative effect of all the circuitry from each audio component along the way....this has the propensity to introduce a greater signal to noise ratio, which can lead to less detail. Even if you hear no audible noise in the final amplified audio signal, the final audio will take on a more "colored" signature from the original pre-amplified signal path. Sometimes that coloring will lead to less highs, more warm, and a change to the soundstage(narrower or wider). This has been my experience with listening to various audio systems (under $25K) throughout the years. However, I have run into more than a few who end up preferring the final, cumulative analog signal in their system. For one reason or another this cumulative signal becomes "more pleasing" to their ears than if they had taken the more minimal analog path (single preamp direct to power amp). Some of the reasons for preferring the final sound via multiple preamp/analog paths as opposed to a minimal analog path can range from placebo (justification of their purchased audio components) to more convenient(preferring convenience in their systems as a priority) to simply liking the sound of the final audio signal to the original recorded sound of their audio file/disk.
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