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post #31 of 102
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After you've saved yourself 3 hours of bracing time per cabinet, you can take those extra hours and tell your wife you've saved yourself some money (your time) so you're going to the bar to go get a drink wink.gif

I like the way you think sir!
post #32 of 102
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Bam!! I have B&C 15s and baffles, xover parts, CDs and waveguides ship next week. Cuts for cabinets are almost finished.
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I am spending soooo much less than we thought we would initially. Now I jsut need one of you nuts to get 24 18s so that 16 looks like nothing to the wife biggrin.gif

Great detail by the way on the cut shets/layout on your seos thread. It helped, as always, quite a bit.

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It's borderline depressing thinking about how much more performance the SEOS designs offer over my commercial speakers at a fraction of the price...

Oh, I'd try to take one for the team and pick up 4 more 18's , but it's looking like they are all out of the D2 SI's until...who knows.
post #34 of 102
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It's borderline depressing thinking about how much more performance the SEOS designs offer over my commercial speakers at a fraction of the price...

Oh, I'd try to take one for the team and pick up 4 more 18's , but it's looking like they are all out of the D2 SI's until...who knows.

What the consensus on SI 18's vs the Dayton 18's?
post #35 of 102
Chop - I was thinking.....and I've been curious how 2 x of these 15's per channel would sound.

Once we both have ours built we should get together and try running all 4 of them up front (2 per L/R). Stack on top of each other, disconnect the horn and flip one of them upside down. I can't help but wonder.biggrin.gif Not sure how much this would throw off the design characteristics, but a 2 x 15 design with a beastly compression driver would be nuts.
post #36 of 102
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Originally Posted by pgwalsh View Post

What the consensus on SI 18's vs the Dayton 18's?

Flip a coin... Seriously that close performance wise.

I prefer the Dayton cone, but like the SI tall surround.

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Chop - I was thinking.....and I've been curious how 2 x of these 15's per channel would sound.

Once we both have ours built we should get together and try running all 4 of them up front (2 per L/R). Stack on top of each other, disconnect the horn and flip one of them upside down. I can't help but wonder.biggrin.gif Not sure how much this would throw off the design characteristics, but a 2 x 15 design with a beastly compression driver would be nuts.

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post #37 of 102
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

Flip a coin... Seriously that close performance wise.

I prefer the Dayton cone, but like the SI tall surround.
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Same here.
post #38 of 102
Loving the B&C's Chop! I'm a sucker for accordian surrounds, they look like they mean business. cool.gif
post #39 of 102
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It's borderline depressing thinking about how much more performance the SEOS designs offer over my commercial speakers at a fraction of the price...

Oh, I'd try to take one for the team and pick up 4 more 18's , but it's looking like they are all out of the D2 SI's until...who knows.

Hahaha..likely excuse:D

I feel the same way about the speakers. have about $2500 tied up in my Revel 5 channel setup in the family room. They sound nice, but for $2500 I could probably build Sentinel lcr, minion rears and jsut put a little more effort into cab design and finish, and have a far superior performer.

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Chop - I was thinking.....and I've been curious how 2 x of these 15's per channel would sound.

Once we both have ours built we should get together and try running all 4 of them up front (2 per L/R). Stack on top of each other, disconnect the horn and flip one of them upside down. I can't help but wonder.biggrin.gif Not sure how much this would throw off the design characteristics, but a 2 x 15 design with a beastly compression driver would be nuts.

biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif That is a great idea!! I'm in dude. If it throws things off, I'm sure we could figure it out. Not sure how big a diffeerence it would be, but won't know if we don't try it. If I had more xover design skill, I would love to do two of the B&Cs with one of the 1.4 bms coaxial CDs. I feel like its a Noesis rip off but it could probably be done for about $1200 including cabinet and be as sick of a speaker as you could want. I don't really know if the BMS is better than the Denovo from experience, but it would seem to be, in addition to the fact that its a coax. The only problem is that if we get one of these two woofer designs to work out, we are gonna have to start over with our LCRs biggrin.gif
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Loving the B&C's Chop! I'm a sucker for accordian surrounds, they look like they mean business. cool.gif
They are pretty sick looking in person. I have never had a driver of that design so its cool and different.
post #40 of 102
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Same here.

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Originally Posted by ChopShop1 View Post

Hahaha..likely excuse:D

I feel the same way about the speakers. have about $2500 tied up in my Revel 5 channel setup in the family room. They sound nice, but for $2500 I could probably build Sentinel lcr, minion rears and jsut put a little more effort into cab design and finish, and have a far superior performer.

If I felt those drivers would match up even close to my Axioms I'd be all over it. I don't mind building a new front stage but don't feel like replacing my height, wide, and surround speakers.
post #41 of 102
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If I felt those drivers would match up even close to my Axioms I'd be all over it. I don't mind building a new front stage but don't feel like replacing my height, wide, and surround speakers.

I have never had the opportunity to hear any of the Axiom stuff. How do you like it?? What models??

I wouldn't mind building an extra set of LCRs for my family room eventually, just time limited right now. Once I wrap up all the current projects it may happen. I just want to be able to give that my undivided attention if I do it. I will have to get the cabinet construction and finish just right if I am going to let them go into the family room and out in the open.
post #42 of 102
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I have never had the opportunity to hear any of the Axiom stuff. How do you like it?? What models??

I wouldn't mind building an extra set of LCRs for my family room eventually, just time limited right now. Once I wrap up all the current projects it may happen. I just want to be able to give that my undivided attention if I do it. I will have to get the cabinet construction and finish just right if I am going to let them go into the family room and out in the open.

I'm running M80's for mains, M60 center, QS8 for front height and surround, and M2 for wide.

Having listened to/owned a few other speakers I am very impressed with the Axiom lineup. The bridge the gap between affordable and performance. I won't go into a huge dissertation but suffice to say I have been very pleased with them. I especially like the QS8 series with their dispersion. Like everyone knows, you can build better for less, but I think you'd be hard pressed to do better for less on the retail market.
post #43 of 102
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I'm running M80's for mains, M60 center, QS8 for front height and surround, and M2 for wide.

Having listened to/owned a few other speakers I am very impressed with the Axiom lineup. The bridge the gap between affordable and performance. I won't go into a huge dissertation but suffice to say I have been very pleased with them. I especially like the QS8 series with their dispersion. Like everyone knows, you can build better for less, but I think you'd be hard pressed to do better for less on the retail market.

I have heard great things about their QS8 surround from a number of others, glad you ar eenjoying them!
post #44 of 102
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

Chop - I was thinking.....and I've been curious how 2 x of these 15's per channel would sound.

Once we both have ours built we should get together and try running all 4 of them up front (2 per L/R). Stack on top of each other, disconnect the horn and flip one of them upside down. I can't help but wonder.biggrin.gif Not sure how much this would throw off the design characteristics, but a 2 x 15 design with a beastly compression driver would be nuts.

biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif That is a great idea!! I'm in dude. If it throws things off, I'm sure we could figure it out. Not sure how big a diffeerence it would be, but won't know if we don't try it. If I had more xover design skill, I would love to do two of the B&Cs with one of the 1.4 bms coaxial CDs. I feel like its a Noesis rip off but it could probably be done for about $1200 including cabinet and be as sick of a speaker as you could want. I don't really know if the BMS is better than the Denovo from experience, but it would seem to be, in addition to the fact that its a coax. The only problem is that if we get one of these two woofer designs to work out, we are gonna have to start over with our LCRs biggrin.gif

What about if you tried the Denovo BA-750 compression driver? Tons cheaper than the BMS. Not sure how they would compare though.
post #45 of 102
go here: http://www.aespeakers.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1690

scroll down. :-)

"I feel like its a Noesis rip off..."

newbe. :-)

more info here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/982428/lambda-drivers/30#post_12943700

the problem that you might run into with the second 15" upside down on a second channel idea is a sensitivity mismatch between the woofers and the horn.

you will be doubling the woofers and doubling the power to the woofers, so they will probably end up around 6db hot. neat idea though.
Edited by LTD02 - 1/18/13 at 7:06pm
post #46 of 102
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go here: http://www.aespeakers.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1690

scroll down. :-)

"I feel like its a Noesis rip off..."

newbe. :-)

more info here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/982428/lambda-drivers/30#post_12943700

the problem that you might run into with the second 15" upside down on a second channel idea is a sensitivity mismatch between the woofers and the horn.

you will be doubling the woofers and doubling the power to the woofers, so they will probably end up around 6db hot. neat idea though.

Damn.... We need a crossover design and flat pack for those!!!
post #47 of 102
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Ok, I f-ed up! I ordered my Sentinels with the slot port, and assumed they were they same dimesions as Andrew's. They aren't, and I did all my flatpacks to match his,,,aahhhhh. Now I have three baffles that don't fit the boxes I made. I am so frustrated, I don't even know how to start re-thinking this.
post #48 of 102
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Originally Posted by ChopShop1 View Post

Ok, I f-ed up! I ordered my Sentinels with the slot port, and assumed they were they same dimesions as Andrew's. They aren't, and I did all my flatpacks to match his,,,aahhhhh. Now I have three baffles that don't fit the boxes I made. I am so frustrated, I don't even know how to start re-thinking this.

Damn. I assume yours are 29.5" tall? Maybe it would be easier just to order 3 new baffles? frown.gif
post #49 of 102
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Scratched this question because I figured it out once I calmed down from my little tail spin....I guess I can just finish em' up and see if Erich has the outer baffles to add after the fact...if not, I will just have to make my own. I asked a question in this post about the ports which I figured out was pointless.
Edited by ChopShop1 - 1/19/13 at 8:30am
post #50 of 102
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Damn. I assume yours are 29.5" tall? Maybe it would be easier just to order 3 new baffles? frown.gif

Yup, I just went out to the garage, all excited to finish them up. I put the baffle over the front of the box and was like...WTF! I can't believe I didn't ask this, nobodys fault but my own stupidity. I wonder how quick I can get them...weren't they a custom size?? I'm gonna send Erich a note now. If I have to make my own I guess I will, his just looked so much nicer all done.

As I sit here typing, I'm looking at these and it might be easier than I thought. The 29.5" baffles are just tall enough that I can cut the bottom off, cut a new 2" high port hole and just roundover the bottom to match. I guess it can't hurt try, I mean I have three baffles I can't use so whats the worst thing that happens..I end up with three baffles I can't use and I have to get new ones anyway. Stand by for update.
Edited by ChopShop1 - 1/19/13 at 8:37am
post #51 of 102
Try and get a picture so I can see what the trouble is, I may have a solution.
post #52 of 102
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Thank you for the offer Matt...Crisis averted!! I just lopped off the bottom of the 29.5" baffles and joined them with a 3/4" strip at the bottom to bring them to the total size I needed. Once they are dry, I can just cut the new port hole and mount them to the boxes. It will have to wait until tomorrow though, my friend had a fight at Mohegan Sun tonight and we are getting ready to go!!

With the frustration and time this took, I have decided not to do any fancy bracing. I have about 20 2" pieces cut to the inside dimensions of the enclosures and I'm just gonna slap em" in there at the appropriate places. Thanks for the thoughts and offers to help guys! Tomorrow I should be able to get them finished up, as long as I do it before the games start.
post #53 of 102
The Sentinel speaker design is 29.5" tall and 17.25" wide. The ones built by the other forum member were made smaller and deeper because he needed a shorter cabinet.

Don't build new boxes, I can just send you new baffles in the size you need. It's no big deal.
post #54 of 102
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The Sentinel speaker design is 29.5" tall and 17.25" wide. The ones built by the other forum member were made smaller and deeper because he needed a shorter cabinet.

Don't build new boxes, I can just send you new baffles in the size you need. It's no big deal.

Thanks Erich, I appreciate the offer. I actually cut down the ones you sent me and have fabricated them so that they will work. When I decide about the hieght and wide speakers I will probably take you up on that offer so I can make them fit up high and out wide better. I am going to build the two Minions and see how they are as far as voice matching. If they are close enough for me, I won't even need the above, I will just build all minions for surround and effects. Thanks again for all your help.
post #55 of 102
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Originally Posted by ChopShop1 View Post

Thanks Erich, I appreciate the offer. I actually cut down the ones you sent me and have fabricated them so that they will work. When I decide about the hieght and wide speakers I will probably take you up on that offer so I can make them fit up high and out wide better. I am going to build the two Minions and see how they are as far as voice matching. If they are close enough for me, I won't even need the above, I will just build all minions for surround and effects. Thanks again for all your help.

Good deal. Glad you were able to work it. cool.gif

It's going to be at least a few more days before I have mine ready for paint/prep, etc but I'm making headway.
post #56 of 102
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Good deal. Glad you were able to work it. cool.gif

It's going to be at least a few more days before I have mine ready for paint/prep, etc but I'm making headway.

Thanks! Yours are deff coming along...I don't even have my xover parts yet, so I've got time.

Thats it for today, off to the fights!!
post #57 of 102
Motivation - 3 amigos. biggrin.gif

enjoy the fights! I'm out for a birthday dinner. Woot!

post #58 of 102
those are cool. what frequency are they tuned to?
post #59 of 102
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

Motivation - 3 amigos. biggrin.gif

enjoy the fights! I'm out for a birthday dinner. Woot!


Looking awesome man! Motivation it is, I was just contemplating putting off any work on them today. Now I have to get something done. smile.gif

Happy Birthday man, hope it turned out better than my friends fight. Tough night for him.
post #60 of 102
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those are cool. what frequency are they tuned to?

48hz

i asked him the other day
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