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post #61 of 102
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Haven't posted an update in a few days...will post pics later on. The cabinets are basically complete, still need a bit of fill, primer and paint. My third woofer and CDs, xover components etc. are now slated to arrive tomorrow instead of today. Hopefully I can get the xovers built this weekend while paint is drying and be listenting by early next week. I'm such an idiot, I already have two more projects waiting as soon as these are done and am contemplating a third. eek.gif
post #62 of 102
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Ok, so I think I have the crossover layout correct...obviously have to trim ends of wire and this is on a temp sheet of cardboard just to layout and see how small I could make the board. Same as Andrew, I think I have found that the 9x15 port brace is about as small as is easily managable. Can you guys take a quick look and verify that I have it set up correctly?? Thanks
post #63 of 102
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Aaahhhh, I keep getting and error uplaoding message. One more try... Worst case scenario I can upload the pic in the am at my office.
post #64 of 102
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Ok, so I think I have the crossover layout correct...obviously have to trim ends of wire and this is on a temp sheet of cardboard just to layout and see how small I could make the board. Same as Andrew, I think I have found that the 9x15 port brace is about as small as is easily managable. Can you guys take a quick look and verify that I have it set up correctly?? Thanks

Post it up! Also - trim that board another 3/4" to 1" or so in width - it will make it alot easier to drop in once you have the walls lined, etc. I learned that after trying to stuff mine in there at full width, lol.

Edit - crap I just remembered I forgot to send you the schematic. Did you get a hold of it? If not I will send it out.
post #65 of 102
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Post it up! Also - trim that board another 3/4" to 1" or so in width - it will make it alot easier to drop in once you have the walls lined, etc. I learned that after trying to stuff mine in there at full width, lol.

Edit - crap I just remembered I forgot to send you the schematic. Did you get a hold of it? If not I will send it out.

Thanks man, no prob. Matt pm'd me the schematic. I tried to get some of the cotton batt rolls today like Matt showed in his pic, but HD didn't have any. I am gonna run out tomorrow and get some, and hopefully get all three xovers soldered up and feed these thing some juice.

post #66 of 102
Copying Andrews layout I see. Just make sure before you solder you move the CD + out connection point, I have the right spot maked below:
post #67 of 102
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Copying Andrews layout I see. Just make sure before you solder you move the CD + out connection point, I have the right spot maked below:

I was just about to suggest the same and almost missed what you had typed here, heh. Everything else looks identical to mine. cool.gif
post #68 of 102
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I was just about to suggest the same and almost missed what you had typed here, heh. Everything else looks identical to mine. cool.gif

Absolutely, I figured why re-invent the wheel. I used the schematic and pic of yours to see if it would lay out any better, but I couldn't find anything. Its my first xover, so I'm not getting brave and trying anything on my own biggrin.gif

I will move that bad boy and get soldering! Thanks guys
post #69 of 102
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Copying Andrews layout I see. Just make sure before you solder you move the CD + out connection point, I have the right spot maked below:

Thanks Matt!
post #70 of 102
No problem Jake, that’s why it pays to post some pictures of the crossover before soldering everything together.

I am looking forward to you impressions of them as well smile.gif
post #71 of 102
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No problem Jake, that’s why it pays to post some pictures of the crossover before soldering everything together.

I am looking forward to you impressions of them as well smile.gif

Andrew seems very impressed with his so far, so I am anxious.
post #72 of 102
Are you done yet?? biggrin.gif I have a friend of mine on here coming over to listen tonight. It will be cool to get others listening as well.
post #73 of 102
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Are you done yet?? biggrin.gif I have a friend of mine on here coming over to listen tonight. It will be cool to get others listening as well.

Not yet..got primer on the enclosures last night and one xover built. I have meetings til' late tonight, so won't get any work done. Hopefully tomorrow I can apply duratex and finish the other two xovers. I'm willing to demo for anyone who wants to come out when mine are done. It will be great to see what folks think in April and compare them to the other choices that will be there.
post #74 of 102
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Not yet..got primer on the enclosures last night and one xover built. I have meetings til' late tonight, so won't get any work done. Hopefully tomorrow I can apply duratex and finish the other two xovers.

Jeeze you're fast! 

post #75 of 102
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Jeeze you're fast! 

Not as fast as I'd like ot be. I actually have to wait on a few xover parts now..making a small change to them, so I will be down for a few days.
post #76 of 102
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Well, a whole lot moe of nuthin...my shipment from PE should be here tomorrow with the components for upgraded crossovers. Once its gets here, I can finish assembling them and get started listening.
post #77 of 102
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Well, a whole lot moe of nuthin...my shipment from PE should be here tomorrow with the components for upgraded crossovers. Once its gets here, I can finish assembling them and get started listening.

Mine are showing Friday delivery - I should have them modded by the weekend. cool.gif

You get the cabinets all finished? biggrin.gif
post #78 of 102
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Mine are showing Friday delivery - I should have them modded by the weekend. cool.gif

You get the cabinets all finished? biggrin.gif

Yup, just gotta take a few pics and post em'. I have to finish them up with x/overs so I can start construction of the uber-cabinets!
post #79 of 102
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Yup, just gotta take a few pics and post em'. I have to finish them up with x/overs so I can start construction of thuber-cabinets!


Heck YES. Did you decide on that 40x22x20 footprint? biggrin.gif
post #80 of 102
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Heck YES. Did you decide on that 40x22x20 footprint? biggrin.gif

Not yet, waiting to hear what you guys thought about it and if it would work out for you too. The seos24 will have a long wait behind it if we go that route, so, bit of a bummer. There is also an autotech option Erich brought up, the e-jmlc-600. He says it can be mad eto accpt 1.4, but won't be quite as good for directivity as the seos24...gonna wait to hear back from him on that for some more details.

Hit us back on pm with thoughts on cabs,etc
post #81 of 102
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Heck YES. Did you decide on that 40x22x20 footprint? biggrin.gif

Not yet, waiting to hear what you guys thought about it and if it would work out for you too. The seos24 will have a long wait behind it if we go that route, so, bit of a bummer. There is also an autotech option Erich brought up, the e-jmlc-600. He says it can be mad eto accpt 1.4, but won't be quite as good for directivity as the seos24...gonna wait to hear back from him on that for some more details.

Hit us back on pm with thoughts on cabs,etc

So what's with the secrets lol.... Is there a new project in the horizon with you guys?
post #82 of 102
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So what's with the secrets lol.... Is there a new project in the horizon with you guys?

yup...pm sent;).
post #83 of 102
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Ok, Finaly got my tail in gear...

finished xover layout..

Stuffed cabinets

completed cabinets
post #84 of 102
Looks good man! LOL @ all the audio boxes in the background.
post #85 of 102
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Thanks man. It even funnier when you see the room in person. While our house is being finished, I have about 200ft2 in my dads basement to store, test and use everything. Two CV5000s, 10 Dayton 18s, 3 Sentinels, Denon 4520, Outlaw 7500, 2 Datyon 18 single enclosures, my full Revel setup from the living room, the Sharp 80"er...its nuts, it looks like the back room at a cluttered audio shop. biggrin.gif

I just sent you a pm..check it out when you have a minute
post #86 of 102
So what do you think of them?
post #87 of 102
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So what do you think of them?

Well, I have been holding off on comments because of the lack of ability I have to set them up properly at the moment. My house shold be finished in 5-6 weeks, at which point I can set tehm up properly, give them the proper amps, eq and do them justice. The area that I currently have to test,etc is my parents 20x20 finished basement which at the moment, houses all my crap. I can't set up the front three together due to space, so ran phantom center, mains spaced about 8 feet apart and sat about 12 feet back. I ran no audessey, did no eq, etc. I did spend about an hour with them tonight and I will say that they sound fantastic even with the far from ideal, down right terrible environment they had to perform. I pulled out one of my cv5ks and fead each one what would be 1250w, but with the gains only at about 1 o'clock. They can do dynamics, adn for phantom center with no effort, the stage wasn't bad at all. I am encouraged by this, as the environment should give me multiples of the performance I experienced tonight once my room is done. The bad news....I am firmly in the volume junky camp! I thought when these got going it would be more volume than I could handle. They got loud, and clean..everyone else in the house says they were at obscene levels, but I would have pushed quite a bit harder. It basically tells me that I'm a bit of nut I guess. Most normal people would never use the second half of the output, but I am after startling levels of output...the kind of output that when someone slams the door in a movie, it makes you jump. I would love to be able to give more impressions now, but feel it only fair to wait until the environment is worthy of them. For the cost of $400 a piece, plus your own labor, an absolute no brainer. These things, imho, smoked the Triad gold lcr setup I heard not too long ago biggrin.gif To be fair to them, they were seeing half the power, but still impressive. I will wait on music impressions, as I feel it even more important to have the set up just right to get a true accounting of their ability.
post #88 of 102
Thx for the quick review chop.... Can't wait till your room is done and have the space to crank these boys up and do them justice!
post #89 of 102
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They got loud, and clean..everyone else in the house says they were at obscene levels, but I would have pushed quite a bit harder. It basically tells me that I'm a bit of nut I guess. Most normal people would never use the second half of the output, but I am after startling levels of output...the kind of output that when someone slams the door in a movie, it makes you jump.

ChopShop, your ears might not like high volume as much as you think. I've always listened to speakers with smaller woofers and tweeters. Cranking them up to fairly high volumes actually sounds louder to me because I believe the speakers start to distort a bit and our brain might somehow translate that into being really loud.

But these waveguide/compression driver speakers are so clean that you don't realize just how loud you have them. It's good that they're so clean, but bad that you want to keep turning them up until your brain tells you it's too loud. By the time that speaker starts to distort to give you that false sound of loudness like smaller speakers, my guess is that your ears are going to be taking a heck of a beating.

Everyone that has commented on these SEOS speakers has said the same thing.......they find themselves turning up the volume higher and higher because of their clarity. Get them to a decent volume, and then try to talk to the person next to you. You'll quickly realize just how loud they are when you have to yell at them. biggrin.gif Just because they sound clear doesn't mean they won't make your ears bleed. I forget how many decibels MTG-90 said 2 of those speakers would hit, but it's more than your ears can handle for an decent time frame, even if they still sound crystal clear.

Once you get them all going, with subwoofers and surrounds, I doubt you'll have a problem startling someone during movies like you mentioned. Don't make me put a high decibel warning level on the site!
post #90 of 102
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ChopShop, your ears might not like high volume as much as you think. I've always listened to speakers with smaller woofers and tweeters. Cranking them up to fairly high volumes actually sounds louder to me because I believe the speakers start to distort a bit and our brain might somehow translate that into being really loud.

But these waveguide/compression driver speakers are so clean that you don't realize just how loud you have them. It's good that they're so clean, but bad that you want to keep turning them up until your brain tells you it's too loud. By the time that speaker starts to distort to give you that false sound of loudness like smaller speakers, my guess is that your ears are going to be taking a heck of a beating.

Everyone that has commented on these SEOS speakers has said the same thing.......they find themselves turning up the volume higher and higher because of their clarity. Get them to a decent volume, and then try to talk to the person next to you. You'll quickly realize just how loud they are when you have to yell at them. biggrin.gif Just because they sound clear doesn't mean they won't make your ears bleed. I forget how many decibels MTG-90 said 2 of those speakers would hit, but it's more than your ears can handle for an decent time frame, even if they still sound crystal clear.

Once you get them all going, with subwoofers and surrounds, I doubt you'll have a problem startling someone during movies like you mentioned. Don't make me put a high decibel warning level on the site!

Hahahahaha...Warning, dumb users who crank these to over 115db will experience hear loss. All kidding aside, it is important that we don't damage our hearin gwith our hobby. I could tell as the night went on last night, that they were loud, my ears had a bit of a funny sensation and almost felt a bit pulgged...not good for the hearing I'm sure.

As you said Erich, once I get these in the room and calibrated with surrounds, subs, etc. I am sure they will be capable of scaring some folks biggrin.gif
I am actually confident enough in that, that I may shelf the mega build I had slated with the help of some others until I place these in the room and get them properly set up. I'm sure I will still do that build, but I will be more patient about it knowing that I have these in the meantime. The only thing that I felt I wanted, and in fairness, it could be because of setup, was a "bigger" sound. I feel that the Sentinels offer a very realistic size to the sound of a given scene adn thats what we all should be after. I think that my desire is a bit silly because the Sentinels have the ability to render a scene just the way it was intended. My want for bigger sound is a want for something more than intended, I think. The reason I say the current setup could be limiting the Sentinels in this respect is that I had only two of them set up. I am sure than running a phantom center was limiting the size of the front stage.

In short, I think what you guys are offering by designing and making these kits available to us all is incredible. For $400 one can build a really nice speaker, that otherwise would cost multiples of that to replicate in the commercial world. I will also say this...I had a local high end shop that was trying to sell me the CT8.4 cinemas by B&W about a month ago. I know that audio memory isn't the best, but I can confidently say this...no part of me is thinking back to that experience and wishing I had bought those, and they were over $3k a peice, with discount.
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