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post #1261 of 8750
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

Sure hope the 70" does not suffer from this .... I am not a fan of Banding DSE or ghosting AT ALL !!!

The box my TV came in has substantial damage (holes, crushing). It's well withing the realm of possibility that the issues my screen has are due to damage in transit. That's one reason I'd prefer to pick up a replacement at Costco- I imagine that their TV's are palletized during shipping and therefore less likely to be damaged than a single TV being shipped thousands of miles.
post #1262 of 8750
Just getting going with my Beautiful m701d. Watching 3net is Amazing 3d content!

One question, I thought the remote was supposed to have qwerty keyboard.
post #1263 of 8750
Where is our fellow 80 owner with pics yeaaaaaaaa
post #1264 of 8750
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Originally Posted by erik1975 View Post

Just getting going with my Beautiful m701d. Watching 3net is Amazing 3d content!

One question, I thought the remote was supposed to have qwerty keyboard.

Nope, these do not.
post #1265 of 8750
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Originally Posted by erik1975 View Post

One question, I thought the remote was supposed to have qwerty keyboard.

Not sure why but they did away with the keyboard on this M-Series remote ... the current E-Series has it though (no biggie for me and I would assume most guys here as I would think 9 out of 10 of us use some sort of high end Universal Remote).
post #1266 of 8750
Can anyone comment on if I'm crazy and making something of nothing, or do the corners (top particularly) seem to be more dim than they should be? [IMG]

Bright scenes look amazing though. This picture was taken in a very bright room, not sure why camera made it looks so dark.
post #1267 of 8750
Another example. By the way, this is game of thrones, blu ray
post #1268 of 8750
Posted in the wrong forum topic, sorry about that
Edited by SeanWPayton - 6/14/13 at 5:32pm
post #1269 of 8750
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Originally Posted by Hensane View Post

Another example. By the way, this is game of thrones, blu ray

Looks like tons of light coming in and the screen still looks good!

I was able to compare the 70" E-Series vs. this M-Series today and the M-Series is just a touch more reflective ... pretty happy with it from what I could see.
post #1270 of 8750
**Best buy has the 55" on sale for $779 TODAY ONLY!!**
post #1271 of 8750
I was just at best buy and saw no 55 for 779. Website doesn't reflect this either. Maybe this was an open box item at your store only?
post #1272 of 8750
Summary of findings regarding this set?

I've read several posts regarding the set and found a number of issues concerns sprinkled throughout.

1: Poor remote.
2: Uneven brightness (splotchy)
3: Issues with HDMI compatibility
4: Dirt on the screen
5: General quality

I can live with a less that stellar remote, but some of the other issues are concerning. Is this a TV that has significant quality issues
or are these early production model issues? Any other significant issues I've missed? Has anyone done a review to compare
with other sets? For the $$$ it seems to be a very good deal. I'm not in a hurry to find a new set, but from what I've seen this one is currently
in the running. Is there anything better in or near this price range?

Thinking 55 or 60 atm.

Mike
post #1273 of 8750
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Originally Posted by MrCool360 View Post

**Best buy has the 55" on sale for $779 TODAY ONLY!!**

The E-Series 55" is $799 but not the M-Series .... the M is on sale for only $1,049

Wrong series TV bud. smile.gif
post #1274 of 8750
I just noticed that the shipping box for the 60" is listed as 10.43" thick vs. the box for the 65" at 5.79". The 60" is a little thicker too at 2.22" vs 2.13".
post #1275 of 8750
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Originally Posted by PanamaMike View Post

Summary of findings regarding this set?

I've read several posts regarding the set and found a number of issues concerns sprinkled throughout.

1: Poor remote.
2: Uneven brightness (splotchy)
3: Issues with HDMI compatibility
4: Dirt on the screen
5: General quality

I can live with a less that stellar remote, but some of the other issues are concerning. Is this a TV that has significant quality issues
or are these early production model issues? Any other significant issues I've missed? Has anyone done a review to compare
with other sets? For the $$$ it seems to be a very good deal. I'm not in a hurry to find a new set, but from what I've seen this one is currently
in the running. Is there anything better in or near this price range?

Thinking 55 or 60 atm.

Mike

I've been thinking of getting the 50" and have literally read through this entire thread in the last few days. I don't believe any of those issues are really plaguing this set, more so it just being typical LED issues. From what I've read and seen in this thread, most appear to be of relatively good quality, though there are some that do have various issues. That's to be expected though, and I don't believe a few with problems is indicative of the quality of these sets as a whole. Also, I do believe the remote being unresponsive has been fixed with the latest firmware update.
post #1276 of 8750
I got my M801d.

Okay, I finally hooked everything (almost) back up since I was swapping in an entertainment TV stand too replacing my old CRT projection 1080i Sony TV (2005 model).

Delivery went smooth and painless.

Unfortunately, my setup has a mix mash of older component DVD player, and my receiver is my HDMI switch but does not support 3D. I have my cable box HDMI straight to the TV and Blu-Ray player HDMI straight to the TV with the optical out going to the receiver for now. Dolby Digital works, but everything else like DTS gets downmixed to stereo PCM. Oh well, next year's shopping list will be a new receiver and new Blu-Ray player.

I watched some stuff for awhile and then calibrated the TV using the Disney WOW disc. I only did the guided / simple calibration for now. I'll probably tackle the advanced mode Sunday, when I have more time.

My settings are as follows but will probably be slightly tweaked soon:

Backlight: 90
Contrast: 70
Brightness: 51
Color: 65 (more on this)
Tint: 0 (did not adjust yet although looks very good)
Sharpness: 25 (although everything below 50 isn't too bad)
All enhancement modes off except smart dimming.

Smooth effect gave major SOE even on medium so I obviously disabled that.
I left film mode to Auto.

Smart dimming obviously has its limits, and using the Disney Wow disc, you'll adjust your brightness and the horizontal white bar will cause noticeable blooming on the right part of the screen although it's not too obnoxious. In regular TV and movies playing, smart dimming is so unnoticeable, I can't think of any reason to disable it.

Dirty screen effect. Very minimal. I notice slightly dark spots on the four extreme corners of the TV and very slight band along the bottom (maybe a half inch) but it's not very pronounced unless you have a very smooth solid color image on the screen. Coming from my old TV it's not an issue at all, and I've seen worse from what some people have posted pics on this forum.

Viewing angle. Minimal color shift and very much looks like my PC IPS screen, so I'm about 95% positive that's what they are using here.

Banding can be very pronounced depending on the source material which is not the TV's fault. Some cable channels showing like Finding Nemo in a dark scene to light circular scene looked so horrible, it shows what happens when you watch overly compressed material. Being larger and not analog like my old TV, the picture quality is not at all forgiving.

3D and Blue-Ray. Blu-Ray material looks absolutely fantastic! Bought Despicable Me in 3D (my first home 3D film), and I thought I was sitting in a theater! My wife absolutely loved it! There is some 3D bleed / cross talk but it's not the headache inducing flicker like active 3D does. I definitely prefer passive 3D. That said, I can make out the scan lines on this huge beast of a TV. It's noticeable but I knew that from other reviews I read so I'm not disappointed. I can see why 4K will be needed to really give theater quality 3D at home. Blu-Ray 3D definitely seemed crisper and less bleed than cable. I tried both HDMI and component and both work with 3D mode. 3D mode can be manually selected even HDMI so no problems there. Firmware is 1.05. This 80 inch came with only four pairs of glasses by the way.

Color is very rich on this TV, and it looks like it supports a deep color gamut. I have mine set at 65 which gives nice rich colors but some people may prefer less like in the 55-60 range.

FYI, I sit about 9 feet from the TV which is probably a little close. I think 12-13 feet would probably be the sweet spot. The screen size at my distance make for a nice home theater screen so I'm very happy with it. I might be going to the movies even less. wink.gif

I hope this will give people some much needed info, and I'll definitely post an updated review and settings probably Sunday night.

One final thing is the TV stand. It makes me nervous! TV can wobble with the slightest touch although the stand itself is very heavy. I have children coming over, so I will definitely have to figure out how to secure this TV better so it doesn't tip over.

All in all I give this TV 4.5 stars out of 5. No it's not perfect (the remote layout is bad too), but I have no problems in keeping this TV for the long haul which will be at least 5+ years.
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Let's get some pics of this puppy or its not real lol also is the flash lighting in the corners as others have stated numerous times?? Black screen test?? So far from your minor review seems the sharp 80 is somewhat better full array led lol I understand the passive 3d I suppose
post #1278 of 8750
Couple more things for the night.

3D is nearly perfect in a dark room with almost no bleed or crosstalk. Man, am I happy about that. I'll definitely be buying a lot more 3D titles. The Prometheus 3D on cable looked fantastic.

Now the bad news. A completely dark screen with some white text will show the smart dimming, and you'll see some light bleed while they come on and off. But, they do keep up with the source material pretty well. Then, I tried turning auto dimming off. Holy crap, it's awful! White blotches and uneven lighting. Auto dimming is a must.

If you buy this TV and don't like it with the auto dimming, you'll definitely hate it without. Me, I don't mind it or notice it that much, so on it stays, especially when you have a completely dark room.




Update:
I gotta get some sleep but can't stop fiddling with this thing. Please disregard my numbers above as the "easy mode" really didn't get it that accurate. I just ran through the Disney Wow advanced mode, and it's so much better. The TV now has a softer, more film like image compared to my first crack at it. The room was nearly dark during calibration with only a dim light on in the distance.


Backlight: 85
Brightness: 57
Contrast: 78
Color: 39
Tint: -3
Sharp: 25

Gamma doesn't seem correct looking at the test pattern, but the disc says to readjust the color and tint, but I don't think that's it. The backlight may need to come down a little more, but I do watch this during the day too, so I'll leave it reasonably bright. Colors look spot on, and compression artifacts aren't as noticeable. It's amazing what a little calibration will do to a set.


I will post some pictures of the light bleed and other examples using my wife's good camera when I get a chance (probably Sunday again). Anyway, I hope this helps anyone who needs this info for now.
Edited by tempest790 - 6/14/13 at 10:18pm
post #1279 of 8750
Pictures please and I figured auto dimming had to stay on hmmmm this set worries me a lot of baby issues that add up might just have to stick with sharp 80 as planned
post #1280 of 8750
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

The E-Series 55" is $799 but not the M-Series .... the M is on sale for only $1,049

Wrong series TV bud. smile.gif
Sams has it ( & I got it for) 998
post #1281 of 8750
I got the 55" from Amazon and love the picture, but am having lip sync issues. My video source is a Dish Hopper HDMI connection. I run audio via optical cable to my Marantz AvR1700 receiver. I tried adjusting the audio with the Vizio lip sync menu, but this only delays audio more. The problem is the audio is delayed from the video. I tried using the TV built-in speakers and same problem. Any suggestions?
post #1282 of 8750
Wow .... Before I get into anything further (still got more messing to do with the TV) ....

The light bleed and flashlighting on the 70" is HORRIBLE! ( take back what I said before about it being normal)

10x worse then 70" E-Series I just returned.

Smart Dimming helps immensely but has it's little issues here and there especially on dark scenes with brighter objects in the middle and nothing on the outside (basically it makes a huge light band from where it tries to shoot light to the center of the screen but has a huge trail all the way across till it gets there).

Still trying to figure out how to get this down ... even turning the backlight down below 25 it still has bad bleed.

Now the PQ is stunning on HD and regular programming! Far superior then the E-Series in that arena

3D ... Stunning ... watched about 30 mins if Avatar .... AMAZING! Enough said about that really.

My main issues we're Banding, Dirty Screen Effect and Halo / Ghosting ... This TV seems to be good on all of those aspects .... still need to run more stuff and try a few more movie scenes and slides but from I have seen in having two TV's prior with bad Banding and DSE ... I can spot that out pretty well on Golf, football, watching golf you see the ball hit in the white cloudish sky and there you can find the banding and DSE and I didn't see anything. I'll keep trying to find something but so far so good on those issues.

Seems like the 70" models are all running the 1.5 software I think ..... my clock is fine, 3D can be picked at anytime, but remote is slugish (but my Universal fixes that no problem)

But DAMN .... the light bleed when you start the TV and the Vizio logo is on the black screen is InSaNe ... I could see some like normal on my E-Series but this doesn't seem normal ... definitely not normal for a TV that costs way more then there cheaper E model.

Smart dimming off is fine for regular stuff, Bluray stuff with black bars ... ya you almost need it do get rid of the light bleed in the corners and bottom center.

Still need more time with it but take a look at this .... I have said light bleed is normal ... But I think this may be a little much ...........

CLICK On Picture For A little Better Idea of what I'm talking about (this pic has low detail unless clicked on)


Edited by falconman515 - 6/14/13 at 11:32pm
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Wow ... LOL rolleyes.gif ... now I know how Tabonuk felt when he posted his picture ... this pics doesn't show how Bad the light bleed is AT ALL !!!

LOL .... Thats so funny ... if my TV just looked like the above pic I would be pretty happy.

Maybe I'll try and get the more expensive professional camera tomorrow and not my iPhone and try and get a solid pic of it.

Take my word for it ... It's There ... And It's BAD

Bit like I said other then the lackluster Smart Dimming everything else about this TV seems to be Spectacular! Always seems to be something on these damn Edge-Lit TV's now a days ... I wish they make quality like they used to a few years ago with Rear-Array.LED.
Edited by falconman515 - 6/14/13 at 11:30pm
post #1284 of 8750
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Originally Posted by tempest790 View Post

Now the bad news. A completely dark screen with some white text will show the smart dimming, and you'll see some light bleed while they come on and off. But, they do keep up with the source material pretty well. Then, I tried turning auto dimming off. Holy crap, it's awful! White blotches and uneven lighting. Auto dimming is a must.

If you buy this TV and don't like it with the auto dimming, you'll definitely hate it without. Me, I don't mind it or notice it that much, so on it stays, especially when you have a completely dark room..

So reading this he seems to have the same horrible light bleed I do ... testing with the Auto Brightness on now and that rally does seem to help.

I will mess with this option more to see if I can make it work to lower this Bad light bleed but still obtain the killer picture quality etc. etc.

Hopefully this does the trick ... it sure knocked the light down BIG TIME once I turned it on ... So we'll see.
post #1285 of 8750
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Originally Posted by tempest790 View Post

I got my M801d.

Okay, I finally hooked everything (almost) back up since I was swapping in an entertainment TV stand too replacing my old CRT projection 1080i Sony TV (2005 model).

Delivery went smooth and painless.

Unfortunately, my setup has a mix mash of older component DVD player, and my receiver is my HDMI switch but does not support 3D. I have my cable box HDMI straight to the TV and Blu-Ray player HDMI straight to the TV with the optical out going to the receiver for now. Dolby Digital works, but everything else like DTS gets downmixed to stereo PCM. Oh well, next year's shopping list will be a new receiver and new Blu-Ray player.

I watched some stuff for awhile and then calibrated the TV using the Disney WOW disc. I only did the guided / simple calibration for now. I'll probably tackle the advanced mode Sunday, when I have more time.

My settings are as follows but will probably be slightly tweaked soon:

Backlight: 90
Contrast: 70
Brightness: 51
Color: 65 (more on this)
Tint: 0 (did not adjust yet although looks very good)
Sharpness: 25 (although everything below 50 isn't too bad)
All enhancement modes off except smart dimming.

Smooth effect gave major SOE even on medium so I obviously disabled that.
I left film mode to Auto.

Smart dimming obviously has its limits, and using the Disney Wow disc, you'll adjust your brightness and the horizontal white bar will cause noticeable blooming on the right part of the screen although it's not too obnoxious. In regular TV and movies playing, smart dimming is so unnoticeable, I can't think of any reason to disable it.

Dirty screen effect. Very minimal. I notice slightly dark spots on the four extreme corners of the TV and very slight band along the bottom (maybe a half inch) but it's not very pronounced unless you have a very smooth solid color image on the screen. Coming from my old TV it's not an issue at all, and I've seen worse from what some people have posted pics on this forum.

Viewing angle. Minimal color shift and very much looks like my PC IPS screen, so I'm about 95% positive that's what they are using here.

Banding can be very pronounced depending on the source material which is not the TV's fault. Some cable channels showing like Finding Nemo in a dark scene to light circular scene looked so horrible, it shows what happens when you watch overly compressed material. Being larger and not analog like my old TV, the picture quality is not at all forgiving.

3D and Blue-Ray. Blu-Ray material looks absolutely fantastic! Bought Despicable Me in 3D (my first home 3D film), and I thought I was sitting in a theater! My wife absolutely loved it! There is some 3D bleed / cross talk but it's not the headache inducing flicker like active 3D does. I definitely prefer passive 3D. That said, I can make out the scan lines on this huge beast of a TV. It's noticeable but I knew that from other reviews I read so I'm not disappointed. I can see why 4K will be needed to really give theater quality 3D at home. Blu-Ray 3D definitely seemed crisper and less bleed than cable. I tried both HDMI and component and both work with 3D mode. 3D mode can be manually selected even HDMI so no problems there. Firmware is 1.05. This 80 inch came with only four pairs of glasses by the way.

Color is very rich on this TV, and it looks like it supports a deep color gamut. I have mine set at 65 which gives nice rich colors but some people may prefer less like in the 55-60 range.

FYI, I sit about 9 feet from the TV which is probably a little close. I think 12-13 feet would probably be the sweet spot. The screen size at my distance make for a nice home theater screen so I'm very happy with it. I might be going to the movies even less. wink.gif

I hope this will give people some much needed info, and I'll definitely post an updated review and settings probably Sunday night.

One final thing is the TV stand. It makes me nervous! TV can wobble with the slightest touch although the stand itself is very heavy. I have children coming over, so I will definitely have to figure out how to secure this TV better so it doesn't tip over.

All in all I give this TV 4.5 stars out of 5. No it's not perfect (the remote layout is bad too), but I have no problems in keeping this TV for the long haul which will be at least 5+ years.

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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

Wow ... LOL rolleyes.gif ... now I know how Tabonuk felt when he posted his picture ... this pics doesn't show how Bad the light bleed is AT ALL !!!

LOL .... Thats so funny ... if my TV just looked like the above pic I would be pretty happy.

Maybe I'll try and get the more expensive professional camera tomorrow and not my iPhone and try and get a solid pic of it.

Take my word for it ... It's There ... And It's BAD

Bit like I said other then the lackluster Smart Dimming everything else about this TV seems to be Spectacular! Always seems to be something on these damn Edge-Lit TV's now a days ... I wish they make quality like they used to a few years ago with Rear-Array.LED.


I'm sorry dude that light bleed is terrible don't justify it that bad and poor quality I be taking that tv back tomorrow to swap and if next one like that sharp it is lol
post #1286 of 8750
I'm almost sure the 80 looks this bad hmmmm ok for the tricks to attempt to cut down bleed but damn
post #1287 of 8750
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Originally Posted by RockmanX View Post

I'm almost sure the 80 looks this bad hmmmm ok for the tricks to attempt to cut down bleed but damn

Auto Brightness! Whatever setting you have it on it follows on all inputs by the way.

Seems A Lot Better with that on (I like Medium)

But good Lord does the intro Vizio logo screen when you turn this thing on look Horrible!!! LOL
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Originally Posted by RockmanX View Post


I'm sorry dude that light bleed is terrible don't justify it that bad and poor quality I be taking that tv back tomorrow to swap and if next one like that sharp it is lol

I may take my time and see how others look (but I wouldn't take it back now ... the serial numbers are all the same ... I'm sure they all have issue ... seems the 80 does as well.

And Ya ... No .... You couldn't PAY ME to buy another Sharp ... these Vizios kill the PQ and overall quality in my opinion ... the ghosting / halo effect on Sharps coupled with lackluster sub-par PQ is a No Go for me.

This TV look like friggin OLED TV compared to the 70" Sharp Aquos I had before.

Guess we'll see how this goes .... this Auto Brightness thing seems to be doing the trick so far though.
post #1288 of 8750
I know some light bleed is common but JESUS. That's really terrible. I'd definitely return it for another one.
post #1289 of 8750
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

Auto Brightness! Whatever setting you have it on it follows on all inputs by the way.

Seems A Lot better with that on (I like Medium)

But good Lord does the intro Vizio logo screen when you turn this thing on look Horrible!!! LOL

I understand you adjusting settings now but so Far scale 1- 10 on keeping it?? And worth 2500
post #1290 of 8750
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Originally Posted by RockmanX View Post

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I understand you adjusting settings now but so Far scale 1- 10 on keeping it?? And worth 2500

Up in the air for only ONE reason .. the light bleed .... hoping maybe I give it a month or so and try a new one that it would be better.

The PQ is OUTSTANDING .... 3D is just stunning.

This TV is everything I want really.

Just wish the light bleed was not so bad ... Plus to the Local Dimming on an edge-lit TV is a bit of a joke ... and once you turn it off its bleeding central (though the auto brightness helps a bunch when LD is off).

With Local Dimming on watching something it's the blackest blacks and looks Killer .... It's is a little funky when bouncing in and out of menu on TiVo with it very light and brightening on every other menu screen ... really weird.

Haven't watched say a scary dark movie yet to get a feel for how the local dimming does on something where it's dark all around but an object in the middle of the screen .... when I see this on menu's and no signal logo on an input its a huge light from both sides trying to shine light on the object in the middle of the screen with the rest of it drak ... its just a bad looking light streak on both sides and looks weird .... I doubt it will be any different on a movie with a very dark scene.

Really I'm not sure yet ... to soon to know where I'm at .... just not as happy as I wanted to be due to the Light Bleed and hokey pokey Local Dimming ..... plus I found a slight tinge of dirty screen effect when I was watching recorded US Open tonight on the dark green grass as the picture moved .... not as bad as the last TV bud dammit it was there.

But I tell you what aside from those two issues this TV is Spectacular .... It's just impossible to find a perfect TV no a days.

They are making these so cheap ... and I'm not saying just Vizio, all these crappy edge-lit tv's from all these makers now with rediculous 240/480Hz junk that's fake and no rear-array except for 5K+ TV's, with funky local dimming that doesn't work .... they make em so thin now that why wouldn't you see light cause the bright ass strip of LEDS is about in millemeter away from the edge of the bezel now ... all TV makers are happy since we bought into Thin ... thin means low quality all the way around and Thin means VERY cheap to make for manufacturers .... We Did This ... now we're stuck with it. I guess.

I'm just a fan a good size bezel, good thickness to a TV with rear-array LED so you get killer PQ and blacks and the local dimming Actually Works!!!!! It's only been a few years now but really "They Don;t Make Em' Like They Used To!"

From 1 to 10 ...... I'm about a 6/7

Time will tell .... I'm Sooooo sick of TV shopping though

Is it worth what I paid .... 2300 .... not sure yet .... the PQ is for sure and definitely the 3D .... but the TV's uniformity issues just may kill yet again another model! frown.gif

More to come as time passes.
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