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post #1921 of 8787
Hey you group of experts,

I just received my new M-601d-a3r today from Amazon. On the back of my Dell computer is a 15 pin jack that goes to my old Sony A-3000 that uses a plug with even more pins. My question is how do I hook this up to my Vizio that that has only HDMI inputs?

Thank you in advance for any help on this.

Ben Music
post #1922 of 8787
If it is blue then u have a normal vga. I don't think there is an adapter to hdmi with that. New video card might be the only way. If it is white then u have a dvi port which does have adapter to hdmi..
post #1923 of 8787
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Originally Posted by Ben Music View Post

Hey you group of experts,

I just received my new M-601d-a3r today from Amazon. On the back of my Dell computer is a 15 pin jack that goes to my old Sony A-3000 that uses a plug with even more pins. My question is how do I hook this up to my Vizio that that has only HDMI inputs?

Thank you in advance for any help on this.

Ben Music

Monoprice has 3 different VGA to HDMI. It converts the video and audio to HDMI.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/search.asp?keyword=vga+to+hdmi
post #1924 of 8787
I'm still trying to decide to get 70 or 80 with Costco warranty of 90 days maybe buy the 70 then save up difference from the 80 then swap out
post #1925 of 8787
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Originally Posted by RockmanX View Post

I'm still trying to decide to get 70 or 80 with Costco warranty of 90 days maybe buy the 70 then save up difference from the 80 then swap out

I don't want to offend, but I find that attitude towards Costco's generous return policy pretty crappy. If you buy the TV and like it, keep it. Doing what you are proposing causes higher prices for everyone and is not honorable. If you want the 80 save up for it then buy it.
post #1926 of 8787
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Originally Posted by GiantBubbleGuy View Post



The M series doesn't offer that functionality.


I guess it really is "Subtle" tongue.gif
post #1927 of 8787
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

That right there just devalues the entire review.

The reviews on that site have always been shady at best anyway.

I second that in a big way.

Interestingly, their review of the 55" is almost the exact same review. Much of what they posted was up long before they even had any of their calibration data with some excuses explained below. When calibrations were in place, the review was unchanged. Additionally, a good bit of their criticisms (such as off angle viewing--- esp. when compared to their opinion on some other models) are much different than the majority of what one would find in a variety of owner discussions. The list goes on.

Due to the absence of professional reviews at this point in the game I had considered linking to their review on the 55" when it went prime-time. However, as you have described it so well, many of their reviews have seemed "shady at best".
post #1928 of 8787
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

That right there just devalues the entire review.

The reviews on that site have always been shady at best anyway.
I used to wonder why people always put down the reviews on that site until I looked at the calibration settings they listed for the TV I own. They have a bunch of settings that are not even in the model they claimed to reviewed. I know in agreement with the people that say that site is just a bunch of BS.
post #1929 of 8787
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Originally Posted by backmeup View Post

I second that in a big way.

Interestingly, their review of the 55" is almost the exact same review. Much of what they posted was up long before they even had any of their calibration data with some excuses explained below. When calibrations were in place, the review was unchanged. Additionally, a good bit of their criticisms (such as off angle viewing--- esp. when compared to their opinion on some other models) are much different than the majority of what one would find in a variety of owner discussions. The list goes on.

Due to the absence of professional reviews at this point in the game I had considered linking to their review on the 55" when it went prime-time. However, as you have described it so well, many of their reviews have seemed "shady at best".
While it is true, you can push the 3D button on normal programming, and make it SBS, HOU, or Sensio-even with the glasses on, it's still not 3D, just a blurry mess. Also, I noted in that review that they stated the remote was Wi-Fi. Those of us that currently own these TV's know that is NOT true, yet. We are all still using IR, as Wi-Fi has NOT been enabled by the latest firmware upgrade(1.06).

So, that review is probably one of the worst I think I've seen on these TV's.....it's almost like they spent 10 minutes playing with it, were given some "copy" by the manufacturer, and wrote a web-review. Gee, anyone with a website could do that.
Sooooo, if I were looking at buying one of these TV's, I would NOT place to much weight on ANY web review-as most are getting it slightly wrong, or worse. If you're gonna spend this kind of money on a TV....spend an hour or two and read what those of us that OWN these TV's have to say....and not just a few, read all of the reports.
As some users seem to be in the; "returned 5 times to get the perfect TV" club.

Also, remember the price point of these TV's......what exactly are you expecting? For me; I paid $800 for the M501D 50", and it has exceeded all my expectations at that price point. Sure, if I had spent $2000 on it, I might nit pick the remote a little, or the fact that when I first turn it on, I can see the "flashlights" in the bottom two corners when the Vizio logo first comes on. But after that, everything is more than fine.

Pay attention to the settings posted on page 19.....these sets, out of the box, are not set correctly-so spend some time reading the settings some of the owners use.

Lastly-to buy a TV, knowing you are going to return it, is just morally bankrupt. For one thing; you just posted on an internet forum for all the World to see, exactly what you plan on doing....not a smart move. And, you just pointed out to all the other users of this forum, how UN-ethical you are-so after that post
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I'm still trying to decide to get 70 or 80 with Costco warranty of 90 days maybe buy the 70 then save up difference from the 80 then swap out
Anything you write, will be ignored. Don't take that personal, just take it. I have little patience or sympathy for those that take advantage of the retailers, by buying TV''s, just to "try them out", knowing you will return them. It says volumes about your morals and ethics.
Don't "game" the system, and ruin for everyone else. I was raised different I guess......I say what I mean, and I mean what I say. If I buy something; I plan on keeping it. I would NEVER buy something, knowing I would return it for something else later-what's wrong with you???!!

EDIT: Not to offend, but RockmanX has been added to my "blocked user" list(he's the first one to be on the list-and hopefully the last), as I cannot condone what he's thinking of doing, and I refuse to read anything he has to say anymore......
Edited by havasuvideo - 6/28/13 at 2:50pm
post #1930 of 8787
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Originally Posted by GiantBubbleGuy View Post

I don't want to offend, but I find that attitude towards Costco's generous return policy pretty crappy. If you buy the TV and like it, keep it. Doing what you are proposing causes higher prices for everyone and is not honorable. If you want the 80 save up for it then buy it.

I couldn't agree more. I bought the 70 inch model and will be keeping it. Done deal.
post #1931 of 8787
I think as far as reviews go CNET is the second best way to go. First would be reading all the reviews here from folks who actually own the TV and give insight into their experiences with it on a day to day basis and not just a few hours in the lab that even CNET will do. I've been all over the place trying to decide which TV to get and decided on the Vizio M series because of what I've read here.
And I have to agree, purchasing something you know you will return because you are impatient is just flat out wrong. I had to return the Samsung TV monday morning and I felt horrible about it. I REALLY wanted to love the 7100 but just didn't. I couldn't go into it knowing I was just screwing over the company to have my satisfaction for a couple of weeks. As pissed off as I am right now at Best Buy (and will never shop there again) I still wouldn't do it to them.
post #1932 of 8787
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Originally Posted by GiantBubbleGuy View Post

I don't want to offend, but I find that attitude towards Costco's generous return policy pretty crappy. If you buy the TV and like it, keep it. Doing what you are proposing causes higher prices for everyone and is not honorable. If you want the 80 save up for it then buy it.

Your joking right higher prices don't know if you notice the price is dropping like a rock from where they started it will be just fine. One can get a 55 and like it but want a bigger set then return it and get bigger several people in this thread suggested as such nothing wrong with that. If you like buying and keeping and then buying the same product in a bigger size later by all do you meanwhile the rest of us will swap out as we please. smile.gif
post #1933 of 8787
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Originally Posted by RockmanX View Post

Your joking right higher prices don't know if you notice the price is dropping like a rock from where they started it will be just fine. One can get a 55 and like it but want a bigger set then return it and get bigger several people in this thread suggested as such nothing wrong with that. If you like buying and keeping and then buying the same product in a bigger size later by all do you meanwhile the rest of us will swap out as we please. smile.gif

No, I'm not joking. You're idea amounts to fraud. It's not technically illegal, but it sure is unethical. People that do what you propose DO drive up prices for everyone, and may very well cause Costco to end their generous return policy. Your idea sucks, whether you came up with it or not. If you want a TV for a while without the obligation to keep it, go rent one. You've been added to my blocked list (you are the only one on it) because you're either a troll, or have a broken moral compass. Either way, you haven't contributed anything worthwhile to this thread and likely never will.
post #1934 of 8787
Finally caught up with reading the whole forum (all 65 pages, very interesting indeed). Purchased the 50 inch on 6/6 at BB for my 1BR apartment without all this prior knowledge... I was looking for a 45-50" LED, since the room is quite bright during the day. Got it from BB since I could just pick it up and the box fitted exactly on the backseat of my mid-size sedan. I also see the 50" as the sweet spot of price/value in the M-series: the 47" is only about $50 less and the 55" is at least $250 more. Settled for the Vizio M-series based on the good price and few positive reviews on the Vizio website and Amazon at the time. At my other house I have a 2008 Panasonic 58" plasma (TH58PZ800U, about $2,500 at the time), so I was not expecting anything spectacular in comparison, just a decent panel for streaming and OTA channels (20 Mbps Internet and a Mohu Leaf antenna, cable/satellite is a waste of money IMHO, but I only watch sports casually on network channels). Big plus for me was the availability of the apps for streaming: Netflix, Hulu Plus, Amazon Prime, Vudu. This saved me from having to buy another HD Roku box @ $100. I had little interest in 3D. My experience with this TV after three weeks:

Design/construction
One of the best looking panel designs I have seen, also really like the design of the stand compared to many other TVs. I did notice that there is some flex in the screen when you press it close to the bezel in certain locations (as reported by others in this forum), but I am not too concerned about that. Well designed connections at the back. I did not have any issues with the Ethernet port as some reported. I connected and disconnected the Ethernet cable several times without any problems. As usual, you have to be careful with RJ45 plugs, they have inherent design flaws.

Software
Did the service check for the 1.04 update on 6/8, I had the update on 6/9. I have not yet received the 1.06 update. Some of the OOTB apps are very poor or useless, so I removed most. Looking forward to the WiFi remote and full screen App Center updates this summer. I did have a few instances (two or three times) where the TV switched off by itself and did not respond to the remote anymore. One time I also did not have any sound after switching on. Unplugging power and rebooting solved these issues. It's just like a computer in that regard (reboot solves 99% of the issues) biggrin.gif

Remote
Works OK now, as long as I aim it to the left bottom corner of the TV. No issues with the batteries at all, still using the Vizio supplied batteries after three weeks of intensive use (I have no other remote). I do not really miss a qwerty keyboard, even with the use of the streaming apps (I am used to the Roku remote without qwerty).

Picture
Very happy with the PQ. After the first day changed it to the 'Calibrated' setting (Standard and Calibrated Dark were too dull for me) and disabled all advanced settings except for Smooth Dimming and Film Mode on Auto and happy ever since. I will try some of the suggested 50" settings though (thanks to Dr. Shankenstein and vizioHD) when I have some time. Watched a variety of content (NBA Finals, Netflix movies and Hulu Plus TV shows, 3D clips on Youtube and even streaming from my Galaxy S3 using an MHL/HDTV Adapter) and am very pleased. I did notice some of the image issues reported in this forum, but only after I read about them wink.gif. As someone mentioned before, if you do not look for the issues, you will likely be so immersed in the content you are watching that you won't notice them. I was very impressed with the 21 minute Avatar 3D trailer on Youtube, simply mesmerizing, so I will be looking for 3D content to stream now (like on Vudu).

Audio
Sound from the built-in speakers is mediocre, but to be expected. Using some small 2.1 speakers now (Edifier Aurora) which is already a huge improvement, but planning to add a better 2.1 speaker system later on to get some more volume and bass.

Overall I am impressed with the Vizio M-series TV, especially considering the price. Perfectly adequate for my intended use and exceeding my expectations. After reading this forum and the quality concerns in relation to Vizio, I purchased the extended warranty of SquareTrade ($89 for three years). I know, not the same warranty as Costco, but my Costco did not have the 50" in stock at the time when I needed the TV for the NBA finals...
post #1935 of 8787
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Originally Posted by RockmanX View Post

I'm still trying to decide to get 70 or 80 with Costco warranty of 90 days maybe buy the 70 then save up difference from the 80 then swap out

When Costco no longer offers 90 days remember posts like this and the abuse of their generous return policy.
post #1936 of 8787
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Originally Posted by GiantBubbleGuy View Post

No, I'm not joking. You're idea amounts to fraud. It's not technically illegal, but it sure is unethical. People that do what you propose DO drive up prices for everyone, and may very well cause Costco to end their generous return policy. Your idea sucks, whether you came up with it or not. If you want a TV for a while without the obligation to keep it, go rent one. You've been added to my blocked list (you are the only one on it) because you're either a troll, or have a broken moral compass. Either way, you haven't contributed anything worthwhile to this thread and likely never will.

Haaaa ok some of you are taking a Internet forum crazy serious but its cool I don't care if I'm on a block list or not its the Internet full of options and ideals. Costco or SAMs or bb or name any store is not gonna stop there return policy for a couple of returns. Your entitled to your opinion like us all I'm not gonna Internet fight over a tv seriously or block somebody for stating a opinion do your thing

Back on topic
post #1937 of 8787
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Originally Posted by RockmanX View Post

Your joking right higher prices don't know if you notice the price is dropping like a rock from where they started it will be just fine. One can get a 55 and like it but want a bigger set then return it and get bigger several people in this thread suggested as such nothing wrong with that. If you like buying and keeping and then buying the same product in a bigger size later by all do you meanwhile the rest of us will swap out as we please. smile.gif

Incomprehensible post coupled with a morally bankrupt position.
post #1938 of 8787
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Originally Posted by RockmanX View Post

Haaaa ok some of you are taking a Internet forum crazy serious but its cool I don't care if I'm on a block list or not its the Internet full of options and ideals. Costco or SAMs or bb or name any store is not gonna stop there return policy for a couple of returns. Your entitled to your opinion like us all I'm not gonna Internet fight over a tv seriously or block somebody for stating a opinion do your thing

Back on topic

Actually, if I am not mistaken, Costco used to allow returns at any time for any reason- now its 90 days. Now why would they make that change, h'mmm??
post #1939 of 8787
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Originally Posted by GatorJZ View Post

When Costco no longer offers 90 days remember posts like this and the abuse of their generous return policy.

X2

Remember when they had a return policy with no restrictions?

Ya that went away due to people like Rock .... and this 90 days is VERY generous as opposed to almost all other electronics dealers (most All are 30 days or less)

So when that is gone ... I will be looking for Rock to say THANKS!!!

Don't abuse it ... You WILL Lose it .... and also make all other lose it as well who don't abuse the amazing generosity of Costco.

mad.gif
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Originally Posted by RockmanX View Post

I'm still trying to decide to get 70 or 80 with Costco warranty of 90 days maybe buy the 70 then save up difference from the 80 then swap out

= STUPID! cool.gif
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Originally Posted by RockmanX View Post

Haaaa ok some of you are taking a Internet forum crazy serious but its cool I don't care if I'm on a block list or not its the Internet full of options and ideals. Costco or SAMs or bb or name any store is not gonna stop there return policy for a couple of returns. Your entitled to your opinion like us all I'm not gonna Internet fight over a tv seriously or block somebody for stating a opinion do your thing

Back on topic

LOL .... Not even gonna justify a reply to this. rolleyes.gif
Edited by falconman515 - 6/28/13 at 5:17pm
post #1940 of 8787
That was the policy, until people abused it.
post #1941 of 8787
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

X2

Remember when they had a return policy with no restrictions?

Ya that went away due to people like Rock .... and this 90 days is VERY generous as opposed to almost all other electronics dealers (most All are 30 days or less)

So when that is gone ... I will be looking for Rock to say THANKS!!!

Don't abuse it ... You WILL Lose it .... and also make all other lose it as well who don't abuse the amazing generosity of Costco.

mad.gif
= STUPID! cool.gif
LOL .... Not even justify a reply to this. rolleyes.gif


Hmmm never shopped at costco don't have membership there eek.gif
post #1942 of 8787
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Originally Posted by RockmanX View Post

Hmmm never shopped at costco don't have membership there eek.gif

You do shop everywhere else right ... what are there return policies?

Horrible 30 day or less return policies right?

Even friggin Walmart is 15 days on just about All Electronics now (though TV's are still 90 days but with guys like you that will be down to 15 days sometime I'm sure!)

Ya .... You are the cause of that!

Do you see what happens when you do this ... and yes there is a factor of cost that over the years have been added to TV's and other electronics due to guys abusing return policies ... you may think "Ohh it's on sale the price isn't going up" (stupid comment of course) ... the price already went up ... the regular price reflects the years of abuse on returns

Just STOP already.

If you have an issue with a TV or you don;t care for it that's one thing ... that's what the return policy is for ....not to "Rent" a TV with the sole purpose of returning it for another when you save more money over the next 90 days! rolleyes.gif
post #1943 of 8787
Count me in with the rest of you. I hate when people buy something to take advantage of the return policy. But I don't like when people try to dupe any system. Ruin's it for the honest people.
post #1944 of 8787
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Originally Posted by RockmanX View Post

Haaaa ok some of you are taking a Internet forum crazy serious but its cool I don't care if I'm on a block list or not its the Internet full of options and ideals. Costco or SAMs or bb or name any store is not gonna stop there return policy for a couple of returns. Your entitled to your opinion like us all I'm not gonna Internet fight over a tv seriously or block somebody for stating a opinion do your thing

Back on topic

Morally broke and obviously doesn't know the differance between "your" and "you're". All around winner.
post #1945 of 8787
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

You do shop everywhere else right ... what are there return policies?

Horrible 30 day or less return policies right?

Even friggin Walmart is 15 days on just about All Electronics now (though TV's are still 90 days but with guys like you that will be down to 15 days sometime I'm sure!)

Ya .... You are the cause of that!

Do you see what happens when you do this ... and yes there is a factor of cost that over the years have been added to TV's and other electronics due to guys abusing return policies ... you may think "Ohh it's on sale the price isn't going up" (stupid comment of course) ... the price already went up ... the regular price reflects the years of abuse on returns

Just STOP already.

If you have an issue with a TV or you don;t care for it that's one thing ... that's what the return policy is for ....not to "Rent" a TV with the sole purpose of returning it for another when you save more money over the next 90 days! rolleyes.gif

Now how would this rate of exchange transfer for those outragesly expensive tvs from samsung and sony that you can buy a vehicle for lol yes I mean the 4k ones.
post #1946 of 8787
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

That right there just devalues the entire review.

The reviews on that site have always been shady at best anyway.

This is correct. Over the past 2 years, I've found several mistakes on that site, in multiple reviews for different brands and models. A lot of the time, it seems as if they haven't even seen the TV they're "reviewing".
post #1947 of 8787
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

X2

Remember when they had a return policy with no restrictions?

Ya that went away due to people like Rock .... and this 90 days is VERY generous as opposed to almost all other electronics dealers (most All are 30 days or less)

So when that is gone ... I will be looking for Rock to say THANKS!!!

Don't abuse it ... You WILL Lose it .... and also make all other lose it as well who don't abuse the amazing generosity of Costco.

mad.gif
= STUPID! cool.gif
LOL .... Not even gonna justify a reply to this. rolleyes.gif
I remember seeing idiots here suggesting people engage in this behavior regarding front projectors, that way they could always keep abreast of technology since digital FP tech used to change quite dramatically from yr to yr. After some of us tried to explain this behavior would hurt us in the end, some actually tried to argue that their actions benefited Costco since it kept them as Costco customers eek.gif One of the promoters of this practice was an economist, and he had the gal to argue that Costco made money since he would purchase other items when he visited (yeah, I'm sure they were happy to take a $2K loss for the projector so that he could purchase milk and cheese).

RockMX, it is irrelevant if you don't shop at Costco, wherever you are doing it you are causing harm to other customers who like to shop at that retailer, and it is your type of behavior that changed the policies at Costco and increased the price of electronics for all of us.
post #1948 of 8787
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Originally Posted by GiantBubbleGuy View Post

No, I'm not joking. You're idea amounts to fraud. It's not technically illegal, but it sure is unethical. People that do what you propose DO drive up prices for everyone, and may very well cause Costco to end their generous return policy. Your idea sucks, whether you came up with it or not. If you want a TV for a while without the obligation to keep it, go rent one. You've been added to my blocked list (you are the only one on it) because you're either a troll, or have a broken moral compass. Either way, you haven't contributed anything worthwhile to this thread and likely never will.

X2
can't argue with a guy with a giant bubble, especially when he makes sense.
post #1949 of 8787
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Originally Posted by Raul GS View Post

I remember seeing idiots here suggesting people engage in this behavior regarding front projectors, that way they could always keep abreast of technology since digital FP tech used to change quite dramatically from yr to yr. After some of us tried to explain this behavior would hurt us in the end, some actually tried to argue that their actions benefited Costco since it kept them as Costco customers eek.gif One of the promoters of this practice was an economist, and he had the gal to argue that Costco made money since he would purchase other items when he visited (yeah, I'm sure they were happy to take a $2K loss for the projector so that he could purchase milk and cheese).

RockMX, it is irrelevant if you don't shop at Costco, wherever you are doing it you are causing harm to other customers who like to shop at that retailer, and it is your type of behavior that changed the policies at Costco and increased the price of electronics for all of us.

This kind of reminds me of Best Buys buy back program where you could return purchases a year 5 months or sooner and get newer ones what ever happened to it?
post #1950 of 8787
Okay .... well now that we hope Rock does not come back to this thread ...............

Let's get back on topic!

Anyone see that Yao had created a DOC for us to post settings in???

Just posted mine! smile.gif

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Hey all,

Feel free to post your settings here:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/182BtwVZGmY248Fq4ZV_YsZ3hZMtpgGVsw_2yfUNEVok/viewform

Graphs should be built in automatically, but I'll create other summaries after we get a few responses.
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