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Originally Posted by Dr.Shankenstein View Post

Here are my settings:
Settings:Calibrated Dark
Backlight:50
Brightness:52
Contrast:73
Color:53
Tint:0
Sharpness:20
Color Temp:Normal (lowered both Red gain/Offset) white areas looked very pink otherwise.
R/G:525
G/G:472
B/G:443
R/Off:505
G/Off:512
B/Off:514
Adv.Setting:
Auto brightness:Off/High (works in reverse on this set) Example:Instead of the High setting being "Max" it actually dims it the least and "Low" practically turns the backlight off.
Black detail:Off ( very aggressive Dynamic Con) crushed blacks on every setting
Smart Dimming:On
Reduced Noise:Off
Reduce Block:Off
Film Mode:Auto

I have the M70. Since the R/G values don't go past 255, I'm assuming these settings won't work for it. Has anyone translated these to the 70"?

I've still got my 2007 Samsung LNT 52" on the wall above the Vizio M70 to compare the PQ. The Sammy looks sharper and more natural compared to these settings. For R/G and R/Off settings, I just reduced R/G to 50 (default was 128).

For RGB/Off, I reduced them all from 128 down to 100.

Where is the "Just scan" settings on this TV? Also, my "Size & Position" menu is greyed out.
Edited by vestaviascott - 7/4/13 at 6:50am
post #2162 of 8764
I picked up a M70 to replace a Samsung 63” DLP that I got tired of replacing parts on. I had to go to 3 Costco’s to find a 70” M series. It would not fit upright in my Dodge Caravan so I had to lay it flat but it made it home in prime condition. I got it home and of course the HDMI inputs are on the opposite side of the TV from my old one so I had to go get a longer HDMI cable to hook it up.

I put the batteries in the remote but could not get it to work at all. I then setup my Harmony One so I could get it working (I later removed and re-inserted the batteries on the remote and it now works). The first thing I did was set the settings to Dark Picture to get rid of the red faces. The next thing I did was to tune into DirecTv 3DN channel to test the 3D. WOW passive is better than active after all.

My first impressions after reading thru all the pages on this thread is that the larger panels don’t have the quirks that the smaller ones seem to have . The reflections don’t seem to be a problem either.

I will take more time to calibrate it and test more like adding the Ethernet to try it’s onboard streaming apps but so far I am very impressed with this TV.
post #2163 of 8764
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

What in the world are you talking about ... the M-Series line-up ... Minus the 65" is in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM as reflective as a Plasma.

I hate comments like this that deter buyers with completely false information. (obviously you have never had or seen a plasma TV ... LOL)

The M-Series isn't even in the same ballpark as a plasma set ... the 65" on the other hand is getting close though, I would agree that that one size is Plasma-ish reflective for sure.

I have the 55", not the more reflective 65" that others have and basically called a mirror, but my 2 cents having just come from a 50" Samsung Plasma is that I have to agree with falconman, it's just not as bad of a reflection as you get from glass. Perhaps it's just a personal preference and subjective, but I just don't think it's that bad. If you are used to no reflection at all, then you will notice more than you are used to, but I believe it's a great compromise to plasma, both in terms of PQ and reflection. Again, just my 2 cents smile.gif
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2nd Day with the Vizio M70:

I've had the TV in the house for less than 12 hours. Played with it until 1am this morning. My first impression is that I'm almost overwhelmed with the sheer size of it. It looks MUCH larger in my house than it did on the Costco floor.

My wife's last words before I left to pick it up last night were:

"It better not be too big!"

We'll, I'm in huge trouble to say the least, lol.

Anyway, I unboxed it and put the stand on to get it turned on and test the pic. It will eventually make its way up on the wall to replace the 52" sammy that's there now.

I plugged it in, then plugged my OTA antenna in. The Directv HDMI cable wouldn't quite stretch all the way from the Sammy down to the Vizio on the floor so I could not test that.

The OTA 1080i and 720p stations looked good but not stunning. A bit too soft at times. I'm still working on dialing in the settings. Way too much red shift compared to the Sammy. I got that dialed back a bit with Dr Shankenstein's settings (thanks Doc).

I watched a few short clips from Amazon instant (Avengers, JFK and Tintin). The pic on Tintin was extremely impressive. The cinema wide layout of JFK was extremely "theater like".

I believe once I settle in with the set, get the settings dialed in, and most importantly, get the final WAF, this is going to be an incredible addition to our home.

I'm really looking forward to hooking my Vizio Blu-ray player up to it today and checking out the PQ of this set.

One thing I miss from my Sammy is that I had a "Just Scan" mode where I knew that the pic was a 1 to 1 pixel match of the source. I can't find that specific setting on the Vizio.

To get a feel for the relative size difference between my 52" sammy and the Vizio 70, here's a couple of iPhone pics I took last night:





The top tv is being fed a 1080i signal via a Directv Genie HR34. The Vizio is hooked up to the OTA antenna. Because of this, there is about a 2 second delay on the Directv box vs OTA so I could not get a frame to frame comparison.
Edited by vestaviascott - 7/10/13 at 1:36pm
post #2165 of 8764
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Originally Posted by GiantBubbleGuy View Post

No problem smile.gif The link to the second page is easy to miss. Their layout isn't the best. I hope they review the 60, 70 and 80 sizes soon.
Coming soon.
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I'm contemplating between the 60 and 65". The set will be going into a Buffalo Bills (that's right don't hate lol) themed man cave (fancave ?) with dark blue walls and blacked out windows, only a white outlined red stripe would be reflective. Given this image, and the fact that with the lights out its almost pitch black, would the reflective screen on the 65" really bother me at all ?? It seems to be the one complaint I'm hearing about the 65"
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Hi Kyzer, FWIW, My 70" appears to be much less reflective than my Samsung 52" LCD. You can see pics I posted above in a dark room. I don't have a red stripe with white outlines, but I have 3 large windows just to the right of the TV as well as white crown molding and recessed lighting. I could detect no reflections at all. Even in a fully lit room, the screen is only "semi-gloss".
Edited by vestaviascott - 7/4/13 at 6:48am
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Originally Posted by Southmaui View Post

Aloha all, been awhile since I posted, probably since I bought my ol Panni plasma back 7-8 yrs ago but needing some help please..
Just picked up this beautiful new M601 60" from costco and love it but having troubles getting the right settings for it.. I see settings for the 55" and the 70's, etc but nothing for the 60" If anyone has done this (Dr...) wink.gif I'd love to see it..

One other question, I never experienced this thing they call " Soap Opera Effect" until I watched my first movie on this set the other night... Kinda weird to me, the movie was suppose to be set back in the 40's and it made it seem really.. Shall I say "Off.. weird" I'm hoping the setting will change this.. Never saw this once using my old Panni plasma..

Thanks again everyone, this forum is the best, has helped me so many numerous times!!!

It's the high-motion video what makes it seem so. The soap opera effect make it seem like a soap opera due to the way soaps were shot.

Try turning down or off the smooth motion if it gets too creepy.
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How many of you guys received the update? Its been a week the 70 inch and no updates. I'm currently on 1.5

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post #2170 of 8764
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

What in the world are you talking about ... the M-Series line-up ... Minus the 65" is in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM as reflective as a Plasma.

I hate comments like this that deter buyers with completely false information. (obviously you have never had or seen a plasma TV ... LOL)

The M-Series isn't even in the same ballpark as a plasma set ... the 65" on the other hand is getting close though, I would agree that that one size is Plasma-ish reflective for sure.
Agreed, the 50 inch is a Semi-gloss finish with an effective anti-glare filter. The semi-gloss of the screen helps with image pop, but I have an S60 and could safely cut and style my own hair in the reflection. The 65" I agree, but in no way is the 50"-55" even remotely "high" gloss.
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Ahhh! Indecision between the 60" and 70" has killed me, finally decided on the 60" as I couldn't justify getting the 70" set. But now the price increased a few hundred dollars overnight, guess I'll wait a bit and see if it drops back down. Thought it would go down if anything with the holiday.
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For all of you that are watching a lot of 3D movies, where are you getting your content? Are you using blu ray players or streaming? If the latter where are you streaming movies from? Only streaming of 3D movies I can find is on vudu app and it is limited. Can't wait for firmware update, hopefully 3DGo app will provide more content. I have the 60" by the way and Love it!
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Vizio 70" Day 2: Blu-ray Picture Quality

 

My kids and I just finished watching Toy Story 3 Blu-ray. The picture quality on this set is mesmerizingly good. Colors are lushly saturated and deep. I'm seeing shades of color so deep I don't believe I've ever seen before on a set. The image is impeccably sharp and detailed. Its near three dimensional in terms of immersion.

 

In the scene where woody rolls the dog off of him, you can literally count the hairs on the dog. The "Sunnyside" cardboard box that the toys hide in exhibits similar detail. You can actually see the cardboard fibers!

 

Very satisfied with the PQ on this set. Blu-ray is a dream to watch. 


Edited by vestaviascott - 7/4/13 at 9:18am
post #2174 of 8764
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Originally Posted by mikestr View Post

For all of you that are watching a lot of 3D movies, where are you getting your content? Are you using blu ray players or streaming? If the latter where are you streaming movies from? Only streaming of 3D movies I can find is on vudu app and it is limited. Can't wait for firmware update, hopefully 3DGo app will provide more content. I have the 60" by the way and Love it!

I have a couple of 3D Blu-ray movies, but most of the 3D I watch is through my cable box on-demand. HBO has a small selection of 3D movies for free. There are quite a few available as pay per view as well.
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Originally Posted by mikestr View Post

For all of you that are watching a lot of 3D movies, where are you getting your content? Are you using blu ray players or streaming? If the latter where are you streaming movies from? Only streaming of 3D movies I can find is on vudu app and it is limited. Can't wait for firmware update, hopefully 3DGo app will provide more content. I have the 60" by the way and Love it!

I know you asked about streaming, but of course Blu-ray is the best way and 3d-blurayrental.com is a great source for that (there are a number of positive reviews on the avsforum). In fact, I dropped my Netflix disc plan in favor of theirs. My only gripe is that the management of movies one wants is not nearly as polished.

The "M" handles 3D so well though that it would be a shame not to have access like this on such a television cool.gif .

HAVE A GREAT 4TH OF JULY!
Edited by backmeup - 7/4/13 at 11:22am
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For 3D content, use the Youtube APP. You can spend hours watching all the free Youtube 3D video's.

Also, my M601 is in the house!!! Picked it up today(fit nicely in the back of my Yukon-with the rear seats folded down). The box is pristine-not a mark anywhere to be found(thanks Walmart-site to store).
Should have it set-up this weekend, IF, my TV stand arrives via Fed-Ex tomorrow.
review to follow next week.

This 60" will go into my living room-which has quite a bit more ambient light than my bedroom-where my M501 currently resides on the wall.
I went with the 60" vs the 65", because some reviews stated the 60" had a more matte finished screen, and that the 65" was more shiny. And-cost. For less than $1400(w/o Tax), I could justify it. Don't really need anything bigger.
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Originally Posted by GiantBubbleGuy View Post

I have a couple of 3D Blu-ray movies, but most of the 3D I watch is through my cable box on-demand. HBO has a small selection of 3D movies for free. There are quite a few available as pay per view as well.

Where did you find 3D on HBO? I can't seem to find any only HD some I know should be 3D do not show as 3D
post #2178 of 8764
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Originally Posted by kyzer the medic View Post

I'm contemplating between the 60 and 65". The set will be going into a Buffalo Bills (that's right don't hate lol) themed man cave (fancave ?) with dark blue walls and blacked out windows, only a white outlined red stripe would be reflective. Given this image, and the fact that with the lights out its almost pitch black, would the reflective screen on the 65" really bother me at all ?? It seems to be the one complaint I'm hearing about the 65"

The reflectivity in a dark room shouldn't be too bad honestly! My biggest gripe with the 65" (and GiantBubbleGuy had the same issue) is the backlight banding. It looks really bad in his pictures and just as bad on my TV. I am exchanging it for the 60".
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Originally Posted by kyzer the medic View Post

I'm contemplating between the 60 and 65". The set will be going into a Buffalo Bills (that's right don't hate lol) themed man cave (fancave ?) with dark blue walls and blacked out windows, only a white outlined red stripe would be reflective. Given this image, and the fact that with the lights out its almost pitch black, would the reflective screen on the 65" really bother me at all ?? It seems to be the one complaint I'm hearing about the 65"
My front room has a ton of windows. 2 10 foot sliders and a bunch of windows that wrap around 2 walls. The 65" is definitely reflective but with some regular curtains up looks fine to me especially with the brightness cranked up a bit. If your rooms going to be blacked out I don't think you will have any problems.
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How are you liking your TV, frontierajl?
post #2181 of 8764
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Originally Posted by brodie301 View Post

Where did you find 3D on HBO? I can't seem to find any only HD some I know should be 3D do not show as 3D

I have Charter cable. The 3D HBO is a subcategory in the HBO on demand through my cable box.
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Originally Posted by archaicruin View Post

How are you liking your TV, frontierajl?
Very happy with it so far! No light bleed or bad flash lighting like the 55" I returned. The screens definitely glossy which was my biggest concern but it hasn't been to bad considering how much light this room gets. Played some Call of duty also and I couldn't see any input lag which was another concern but again it's done great. I also think the blacks are better on this set than the 55" was, I'm not sure if maybe that's because of the glossy screen or not but its nice. Luckily I had you to answer my original questions otherwise I may never have gotten this set so thanks again!
post #2183 of 8764
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Originally Posted by jas722 View Post

Ahhh! Indecision between the 60" and 70" has killed me, finally decided on the 60" as I couldn't justify getting the 70" set. But now the price increased a few hundred dollars overnight, guess I'll wait a bit and see if it drops back down. Thought it would go down if anything with the holiday.

Where are you trying to purchase it ? Costco's sale was supposed to go thru today but they've extended it until the 10th ? (at least that's what I'm seeing online)
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Originally Posted by archaicruin View Post

The reflectivity in a dark room shouldn't be too bad honestly! My biggest gripe with the 65" (and GiantBubbleGuy had the same issue) is the backlight banding. It looks really bad in his pictures and just as bad on my TV. I am exchanging it for the 60".

Wow, good to know. I may just stick with the 60" and save a few hundred dollars.
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Originally Posted by mikestr View Post

For all of you that are watching a lot of 3D movies, where are you getting your content? Are you using blu ray players or streaming? If the latter where are you streaming movies from? Only streaming of 3D movies I can find is on vudu app and it is limited. Can't wait for firmware update, hopefully 3DGo app will provide more content. I have the 60" by the way and Love it!

I use a sony 5100 3d player. I own about 20 movies in 3d. (Wreck it ralph, Toy story 2 and 3, Hotel transalvania, Paranorman, Lion king, Huge list, lol)
I buy most from Ebay you can get a lot of 3d blurays from peeps who can't use them and bought the 2 disk combo and just sell the 3d disk. (Most i have paid is like 13 bux,)
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Yeah, I honestly think you're better off with the 60" because the 65" is too proprietary compared to the other models. It seems like it'll be the last to get firmware updates too because all of the other models are on v1.06 and it's still stuck on v1.04. Frankly, I wanted to like the TV, I really did... but I think the cons unfortunately outweigh the pros. The size is great, but the reflective screen is REALLY glossy. Like some said, it's like looking into a black mirror. That is no exaggeration, either. While the picture quality and colors are brilliant, they're hard to admire with all the light bleed and the non-uniformity of the backlight. When I requested the return shipping, Amazon literally asked no questions.
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My 65 has no banding that I've seen. It is still on 1.04 though frown.gif. My 55 already had the full screen app drawer. One tiny section of light bleed on the left about 2 to 3 inches but barely noticeable even on the black input screen. No where near as bad as my 55" was.
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Yep, I've had the TV two weeks, and am on my third set of batteries, WTF???? This is ridiculous. Anyone find anything out?
post #2189 of 8764
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Originally Posted by archaicruin View Post

Yeah, I honestly think you're better off with the 60" because the 65" is too proprietary compared to the other models. It seems like it'll be the last to get firmware updates too because all of the other models are on v1.06 and it's still stuck on v1.04. Frankly, I wanted to like the TV, I really did... but I think the cons unfortunately outweigh the pros. The size is great, but the reflective screen is REALLY glossy. Like some said, it's like looking into a black mirror. That is no exaggeration, either. While the picture quality and colors are brilliant, they're hard to admire with all the light bleed and the non-uniformity of the backlight. When I requested the return shipping, Amazon literally asked no questions.
I'm wondering if the 65" is a TN panel, and the 60" is IPS....???
I got the same impression, and that, along with screen reflectivity is why I went with the 60". My living room is big enough for the 70"...but, I'll just move the furniture close to the TV wink.gif
post #2190 of 8764
For those that bought the TV at Costco, how many 3D glasses did the box have?
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