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post #2371 of 8770
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Originally Posted by mightihd View Post

Could anyone help where I can find the comparison/differences between E and M series? Thanks!

 

M-Series has 3D, 240hz, Local Dimming and more precise color/pic configuration options. It also has a bit more modern look that some (including me) consider one of the more attractive designs currently available.

 

 

I was an early adopter of the Samsung LED TV's (52" LNT-5260) which has served me well for over 6 years (and is still going strong). I never thought I could beat the picture quality of Samsung TV's. However, this Vizio has made a believer of me.


Edited by vestaviascott - 7/8/13 at 11:18am
post #2372 of 8770
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Originally Posted by GiantBubbleGuy View Post

You can get the warranties here: https://www.squaretrade.com/squaretrade/checkout/vizioCustomQuoteLookup_input.action. Here is ST's page on TV warranties: http://www.squaretrade.com/tv-warranty I do know that Square Trade has an excellent reputation at taking care of warranty issues.

So the TV warranty is available on both sights you linked, but varies in $70 for a 4-year. Just curious on why?
post #2373 of 8770
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Originally Posted by vestaviascott View Post

Local Dimming and more precise color/pic configuration options.

what is the difference between the "Smart Dimming" at E and the the "Local Dimming" at M?

I also found Skype is no longer offered at the new M-series, does any know why? Video conf directly from TV is more straight forward than using my HTPC...
post #2374 of 8770
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Originally Posted by mightihd View Post

what is the difference between the "Smart Dimming" at E and the the "Local Dimming" at M?

 

"Smart dimming" and "Local dimming" are both just marketing terms used to describe the same thing. Its technology that seeks to improve contrast and apparent black level by selectively turning off the backlight at different areas of the screen.

 

There are a few E-Series sets that have local dimming, namely in the 50-55 inch E-Series models....

  • E500iE500d: 50-inch, direct LED with Smart TV and 120Hz, E500d adds passive 3D
  • E550i and E551d: 55-inch, direct LED with Smart TV, 120Hz, local dimming; E551d is edge-lit with local dimming and passive 3D

Edited by vestaviascott - 7/8/13 at 1:28pm
post #2375 of 8770
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Originally Posted by HITNRUNXX View Post

So the TV warranty is available on both sights you linked, but varies in $70 for a 4-year. Just curious on why?
Noticed that too, and will wait for the OP to respond.
Also, does anyone know how long I have to purchase the square trade warranty, after purchase?
post #2376 of 8770
So if I look at the E551D-A0, the only major feature missing from the M551D-A2 is the 240Hz.
Both 50"&55" E support smart dimming and 3D (with only 2 pairs of cheapo glasses).

I have a lighted universal remote, so the M-remote may not matter that much.

What is VIA "PLUS" vs VIA?
post #2377 of 8770
Looks like the VIA + adds search functionality, and some phone and tablet integration.

http://www.techhive.com/article/216201/vizios_via_plus_smart_tv_features_in_action.html
post #2378 of 8770
Has anybody figured out how to get ARC working? I have the M651 and Onkyo 717, High Speed HDMI cable going from Onkyo to TV. I would like to get 5.1 from Hulu running on the TV on my external speakers. I could use an optical cable but all cables are through the wall and I didn't think of putting an optical cable through. So to go optical would be a pain if I wanted to hide the cable.

Chris,
PS love this set.
post #2379 of 8770
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Originally Posted by chrisjs View Post

Has anybody figured out how to get ARC working? I have the M651 and Onkyo 717, High Speed HDMI cable going from Onkyo to TV. I would like to get 5.1 from Hulu running on the TV on my external speakers. I could use an optical cable but all cables are through the wall and I didn't think of putting an optical cable through. So to go optical would be a pain if I wanted to hide the cable.

Chris,
PS love this set.

I had to do 2 things to get it to work with my yamaha rx-v473. First the obvious of enabling it on the receiver and enabling it on the audio menu on the Vizio. I set it to bitstream. The less obvious bit was you have to also go into the CEC menu on the vizio (I think it's under system) and turn everything on there too. After that power cycle your receiver and you should be good to go. Also, I think things work better if you power on the TV before the receiver.
post #2380 of 8770
Thanx, I'll give this a shot tonight. Can't wait to watch a 3D with full sound.
post #2381 of 8770
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Originally Posted by HITNRUNXX View Post

So the TV warranty is available on both sights you linked, but varies in $70 for a 4-year. Just curious on why?

I believe that Vizio has a deal with Square Trade that provides Vizio customers a discount AND the option of a fifth year of warranty coverage. If you buy the warranty directly through Square Trade it will be more expensive and you'll only be able to buy up to 4 years of coverage. It seems Vizio is trying to make friends smile.gif
post #2382 of 8770
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Originally Posted by bbexperience View Post

You guys are making this difficult. I've been struggling to decide between the M701i-A3R, Sharp LC-70LE757U, and Samsung UN65F6400. This is impossible. tongue.gif

I can't comment on the Samsung ... but STAY AWAY from the Sharp! You will not be satisfied!

My 70" M-Series Kills the 70" Sharp hands down. (Sharp has bad color, image and PQ, and the ghosting / halo effect on that thing is horrible ... The 3D on Passive vs. active is WAY batter in my opinion ... I was not as impressed with the Sharp Active as I am with this Vizios Passive ... Over all the Shapr to me was a horrible TV set)

I have never had or seen the Samsung model you are referring to so I can't comment.

But if I we're in your shoes there would only be two choices.
post #2383 of 8770
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Originally Posted by ARogan View Post

I had to do 2 things to get it to work with my yamaha rx-v473. First the obvious of enabling it on the receiver and enabling it on the audio menu on the Vizio. I set it to bitstream. The less obvious bit was you have to also go into the CEC menu on the vizio (I think it's under system) and turn everything on there too. After that power cycle your receiver and you should be good to go. Also, I think things work better if you power on the TV before the receiver.

I have the same receiver and want to give this a try for use with 3DGO. What HDMI should the receiver be set to? My cable box goes into HDMI 1 and the sound seems to stay on when I launch the apps. So I have been doing YouTube on my PS3. With 3DGO only being on the TV, I will need to get this figured out. Any more specific details, especially in regards to the Yamaha rx -v473, would be appreciated.
post #2384 of 8770
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

I can't comment on the Samsung ... but STAY AWAY from the Sharp! You will not be satisfied!

My 70" M-Series Kills the 70" Sharp hands down. (Sharp has bad color, image and PQ, and the ghosting / halo effect on that thing is horrible ... The 3D on Passive vs. active is WAY batter in my opinion ... I was not as impressed with the Sharp Active as I am with this Vizios Passive ... Over all the Shapr to me was a horrible TV set)

I have never had or seen the Samsung model you are referring to so I can't comment.

But if I we're in your shoes there would only be two choices.

Thanks for the response. Honestly, the Samsung and Vizio were my top 2 until I talked to a guy at Paul's that was really, strongly, recommending the Sharps for anything over 60". :shrug:

Supposedly (and from what I've seen in stores) the Samsung has great uniformity and black levels for an LED. Those are really my two concerns with any TV I pick. SOE is a concern for me as well but I'm going under the assumption that I can adjust it out in either set. With the Vizio, if you use game mode for everything (since I read here that that's the only mode that doesn't have SOE in 3D) how is the motion? Any trailing or artifacts?
post #2385 of 8770
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Originally Posted by Cardstatman View Post

I have the same receiver and want to give this a try for use with 3DGO. What HDMI should the receiver be set to? My cable box goes into HDMI 1 and the sound seems to stay on when I launch the apps. So I have been doing YouTube on my PS3. With 3DGO only being on the TV, I will need to get this figured out. Any more specific details, especially in regards to the Yamaha rx -v473, would be appreciated.

Hdmi #1 is for arc return channel. And it's the only input labeled as such.
post #2386 of 8770
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Originally Posted by bbexperience View Post

Thanks for the response. Honestly, the Samsung and Vizio were my top 2 until I talked to a guy at Paul's that was really, strongly, recommending the Sharps for anything over 60". :shrug:

Supposedly (and from what I've seen in stores) the Samsung has great uniformity and black levels for an LED. Those are really my two concerns with any TV I pick. SOE is a concern for me as well but I'm going under the assumption that I can adjust it out in either set. With the Vizio, if you use game mode for everything (since I read here that that's the only mode that doesn't have SOE in 3D) how is the motion? Any trailing or artifacts?

That was my biggest complaint with the Samsung 7100 that I returned. Even when I turned smooth motion off the SOE was still there. It's unbeatable. There are several comments about it in the 7100 thread on this site. I finally sat and watched my first full length 3D movie this morning (the Avengers) and I have to say I was completely blown away with the difference between the passive on the Vizio as opposed to the active on the Samsung. For one the glasses felt like they were almost not there and secondly it was just brighter and clearer than it was with the Samsung 7100. Then watched about an hour of NFL network and the motion was amazing. Couldn't be happier with this set. And please believe I talk down a lot because of my personal experience with the 7100 but I'm in no way a Sammy hater, still have two others in the house one being a 6 year old LCD that's still kicking with a perfect picture. Just for this current generation I haven't found much better than the M (plasma for purists of course excluded).
post #2387 of 8770
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Originally Posted by bbexperience View Post

Thanks for the response. Honestly, the Samsung and Vizio were my top 2 until I talked to a guy at Paul's that was really, strongly, recommending the Sharps for anything over 60". :shrug:

Supposedly (and from what I've seen in stores) the Samsung has great uniformity and black levels for an LED. Those are really my two concerns with any TV I pick. SOE is a concern for me as well but I'm going under the assumption that I can adjust it out in either set. With the Vizio, if you use game mode for everything (since I read here that that's the only mode that doesn't have SOE in 3D) how is the motion? Any trailing or artifacts?

The biggest bang for the buck in the 70 inch class is the Vizio

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Vizio-70-Class-Razor-LED-2.35-ultra-slim-1080p-120Hz-HDTV-E701i-A3-Smart-TV/21311918
Who would have thought 5 years ago that you could go to a Wal-Mart and pick a a 70 inch TV? It's not 3D.

The Sharp 750 series has a better panel than the E class Vizio, and it's active 3D. It's also currently $333 less at Amazon than the Best Buy "sale" price.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Sharp+-+AQUOS+Quattron+-+70%26%2334%3B+Class+%2869-1/2%26%2334%3B+Diag.%29+-+LED+-+1080p+-+240Hz+-+Smart+-+3D+-+HDTV/9042042.p?id=1218974712636&skuId=9042042

Samsung packs a lot of apps into their stuff, and their LED panels are suggested if you game a lot. It's also available as a 75 inch panel. I'm not crazy about the feet on the Samsung, but at least this year they are not silver. You have to turn off the motion enhancements on the Samsung to eliminate SOE and motion artifacts..
http://www.amazon.com/electronics/dp/B00BCGRTJQ

Televisions at the 2K price point are not going to be perfect - but you do get what you pay for. Screen uniformity, clouding, flashlighting are common issues with edge LED panels. Best thing to do is to buy it from a place that has a good return policy - 70 inch TV boxes are freakin' huge.
post #2388 of 8770
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Originally Posted by kyzer the medic View Post

That was my biggest complaint with the Samsung 7100 that I returned. Even when I turned smooth motion off the SOE was still there. It's unbeatable. There are several comments about it in the 7100 thread on this site. I finally sat and watched my first full length 3D movie this morning (the Avengers) and I have to say I was completely blown away with the difference between the passive on the Vizio as opposed to the active on the Samsung. For one the glasses felt like they were almost not there and secondly it was just brighter and clearer than it was with the Samsung 7100. Then watched about an hour of NFL network and the motion was amazing. Couldn't be happier with this set. And please believe I talk down a lot because of my personal experience with the 7100 but I'm in no way a Sammy hater, still have two others in the house one being a 6 year old LCD that's still kicking with a perfect picture. Just for this current generation I haven't found much better than the M (plasma for purists of course excluded).

Two questions for you:

1. With the passive 3D, how is slightly off-axis viewing?
2. Did you put the Vizio in game mode to beat SOE or are you in a different mode and got by it by adjusting settings?
post #2389 of 8770
How do I get the 3DGO app? Can't find it anywhere.
post #2390 of 8770
The 3D is spectacular. As I posted in a previous reply my theater room is more long than it is wide so I can't really comment on how it is off to the sides. I did set it up in game mode as several people here have and the picture is just plain amazing. I've had the set for a little more than 24 hours so I'm going to toy around with other presets tonight.
post #2391 of 8770
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Originally Posted by vestaviascott View Post

Ditto on the Costco recommendations. I purchased with Costco Amex and I've heard they tack on an additional year to the warranty on top of Costco's extension. Can anyone confirm?

I opted to upgrade to the Executive membership at the time of the purchase of my 70" Vizio. The savings I received on that purchase alone nearly paid for the upgrade. 

I do not know what Costco AMEX covers but most (even some VISA cards) extend warranties. Call customer service on the AMEX card and ask them.
post #2392 of 8770
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Originally Posted by ARogan View Post

I had to do 2 things to get it to work with my yamaha rx-v473. First the obvious of enabling it on the receiver and enabling it on the audio menu on the Vizio. I set it to bitstream. The less obvious bit was you have to also go into the CEC menu on the vizio (I think it's under system) and turn everything on there too. After that power cycle your receiver and you should be good to go. Also, I think things work better if you power on the TV before the receiver.

I was wondering, on your receiver side did you turn on RIHD? it seems I only can turn on ARC with this on. The problem on the Vizio side is that when using CEC the TV won't stay on when I turn on the Onkyo. I have seen multiple threads on this but no answers. I think CEC has to be on for ARC to be enabled.
post #2393 of 8770
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Originally Posted by mightihd View Post

what is the difference between the "Smart Dimming" at E and the the "Local Dimming" at M?

I also found Skype is no longer offered at the new M-series, does any know why? Video conf directly from TV is more straight forward than using my HTPC...

True local dimming is found on full array back lit sets and is generally a desirable feature with no trade-offs. "Smart" or local dimming is used on Vizio's edge-lit sets and there is a tradeoff...when enabled you are sacrificing shadow detail for black-level performance. The problem with "smart" dimming on edge lit sets is with the arrangement of the LEDs.... large portions of the screen are being dimmed imprecisely. The E series sets are direct lit. While the LEDs are arranged along the entire back of the set similar to a full array set, there are far fewer LEDs than a full array set and even fewer LEDs than in an edge lit set (that's why direct lit sets are cheaper....fewer LEDs and no mirrors/light guides). Again, with the dimming feature activated on a direct lit set, large sections of the screen are being affected imprecisely with the same shadow detail/black-level tradeoff. On full array sets there are a far greater number of LEDs and the dimming feature can control relatively precise zones of the screen resulting in better black-levels without sacrificing shadow detail.

On my edge lit Vizio XVT, I left "smart" dimming disabled as I preferred shadow detail at the expense of some black-level.
Edited by GatorJZ - 7/8/13 at 5:34pm
post #2394 of 8770
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Originally Posted by ARogan View Post

I had to do 2 things to get it to work with my yamaha rx-v473. First the obvious of enabling it on the receiver and enabling it on the audio menu on the Vizio. I set it to bitstream. The less obvious bit was you have to also go into the CEC menu on the vizio (I think it's under system) and turn everything on there too. After that power cycle your receiver and you should be good to go. Also, I think things work better if you power on the TV before the receiver.

I have the same receiver and want to give this a try for use with 3DGO. What HDMI should the receiver be set to? My cable box goes into HDMI 1 and the sound seems to stay on when I launch the apps. So I have been doing YouTube on my PS3. With 3DGO only being on the TV, I will need to get this figured out. Any more specific details, especially in regards to the Yamaha rx -v473, would be appreciated.

The default for the receiver is av4 for the audio though you can change this if you want. Make sure you connect to hdmi 1 on the vizio. Make sure you use a bi directional hdmi cable (no redmere). That should be about it.
post #2395 of 8770
Guys this is strange. When I watch youtube videos in 3D it looks all jacked up, but if I turn the glasses upside down it's perfect. Anyone else have this issue. It's just on youtube.
post #2396 of 8770
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Originally Posted by ssgmun5000 View Post

How do I get the 3DGO app? Can't find it anywhere.
through updating the TV. I still haven't received an update.

Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 4 Beta
post #2397 of 8770
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Originally Posted by vestaviascott View Post

Ditto on the Costco recommendations. I purchased with Costco Amex and I've heard they tack on an additional year to the warranty on top of Costco's extension. Can anyone confirm?

I opted to upgrade to the Executive membership at the time of the purchase of my 70" Vizio. The savings I received on that purchase alone nearly paid for the upgrade. 

I do not know what Costco AMEX covers but most (even some VISA cards) extend warranties. Call customer service on the AMEX card and ask them.
how much was the saving? I got the basic membership. Is it still possible to go back to Costco and get the executive member ship?

Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 4 Beta
post #2398 of 8770
I'm just having a hard time deciding between the Vizio M501D and the Sony KDL50R550A. I've view both a number of times in different stores and just can't make up my mind. One day I'm leaning towards the Sony, the next day more towards the Vizio.

They both look pretty good but the Vizio colors seem to pop just a little more. With dimming on, the Vizio has better blacks but sacrifices some shadow detail. I also don't like how you can see the dimming go up and down when a scene switches from dark to bright really quick. With dimming off, the Sony appears to have better blacks and I can see a little flashlighting in the corners of black bars with dimming off on the Vizio. I also see some picture uniformity issues on the Vizio at Best Buy but, only notice it when the screen is mostly a solid color, like the green rating card before movie trailers. I've only seen 3D on the Sony, best buy doesn't have any 3D sources hooked up to the Vizio. It looked great on the Sony and all the reports about the Vizio are great as well so I'm not to worried there.

My biggest concerns are viewing angle, lip sync issues and input lag. Viewing angle seems better with the Vizio but, not by much. Both sets, in this thread and the Sony thread, have reports of lip sync problems on occasion but, some in the Sony thread said that running the audio through the TV first then to your AVR eliminates the problem, especially for optical connections. Does that work on the Vizio?

I'm a big gamer and input lag kills the fun. From what I've read, as long as you stick with game mode, the Vizio is just fine. Has this been the experience of other gamers here? What trade-offs are there by always staying in game mode, if any? The Sony seems a little better in this area.

I like the little things on the Vizio, like the thin bezel, the on screen manual and the menus look prettier. It's also cheaper then the Sony. They both have pluses and minuses and I'm just having a hard time making a decision. I've never owned anything Vizio so that has me a little nervous as well, just don't know the brand that good. Life is full of tough choices sometimes!
Edited by rolltide1017 - 7/8/13 at 5:51pm
post #2399 of 8770
I just received my 80 inch m series yesterday calibrated it with WOW and it was great...... until today when I tried to open up you tube on it and it shuts off. Now it wont get past the Vizio logo on start up it shuts off right away. Talked to Vizio and the guy said its a issue with the power board on the m series. I am now returning the TV with amazon. I figured for 4 grand the thing should be good but alas in 15 years this is the first TV I have ever had to return.
post #2400 of 8770
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Originally Posted by Scott Malsh View Post

I just received my 80 inch m series yesterday calibrated it with WOW and it was great...... until today when I tried to open up you tube on it and it shuts off. Now it wont get past the Vizio logo on start up it shuts off right away. Talked to Vizio and the guy said its a issue with the power board on the m series. I am now returning the TV with amazon. I figured for 4 grand the thing should be good but alas in 15 years this is the first TV I have ever had to return.

My first set arrived pretty much DOA. It wouldn't turn on for the longest time. Somehow I got it to stay on long enough to register it...then the picture went out and we only had sound. Turned it off, and back on and it wouldn't turn on.
The 2nd set we got seems to be fine so far.....sure hope it stays like that.
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