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post #2611 of 8765
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Originally Posted by venus933 View Post
There is a newer version of Amazon VOD that has a much better user interface. I'm hopeful through a firmware update this app eventually gets updated to the latest version.

 

Is Amazon solely responsible for the app development or is Vizio involved?

 

Here are the main features I'm looking forward to:

 

  • Resume playback between sessions (really? this is a feature?)
  • Visual FF/RW (can't believe this one is missing either)
  • "Watchlist sync" between amazon.com and vizio app (Really miss this coming from Netflix)
  • Bookmark scenes**

 

**The bookmark scenes feature, I'm not even sure Netflix has. But it would be a killer feature to have. Lots of movies have certain scenes that you could watch over and over again. It'd be nice to have one click access to a movie scene, without having to cue the movie and FF. (There's probably some legalistic reason why they don't offer this, but one can dream)

 

I can think of a couple Tarantino classic scenes that would be on my list:

 

  • Reservoir Dogs - "I don't tip" scene
  • Pulp Fiction - "Have you ever given a foot massage?" dialogue
  • Used Cars (Frank Zemechas) - scene where Frank McRae insistently urges a customer inside the car - "I want you to get inside the car. Its nice in here..". I must have watched that scene a hundred times, bowled over in laughter.

Edited by vestaviascott - 7/12/13 at 2:56pm
post #2612 of 8765
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Originally Posted by Enigma869 View Post

I guess it's not any more complicated than our Master Bedroom in our new house is gigantic, so it's a perfect space for the TV. As I stated, I LOVE the VT Panasonic, and I'm reasonably certain that the Vizio (just based on the fact that it's not plasma) will sacrifice some picture quality. That said, I just wanted a bit larger of a screen and the 70 inch Vizio (toyed with getting the 80 inch, but I can buy almost two 70 inches for the cost of one 80 inch, so that made it an easy decision) at the current price point is quite appealing. What swayed me were all the favorable reviews and it doesn't sound like I'll have some of the judder issues that I had with my previous Vizio, while trying to watch football. Now, the only real dilemma I'm going to have is where to put my 70 Vizio when I get the itch to buy something else in 3 years.

John

Sounds good.
post #2613 of 8765
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Originally Posted by vestaviascott View Post

Is Amazon solely responsible for the app development or is Vizio involved?

Here are the main features I'm looking forward to:

  • Resume playback between sessions (really? this is a feature?)
  • Visual FF/RW (can't believe this one is missing either)
  • "Watchlist sync" between amazon.com and vizio app (Really miss this coming from Netflix)
  • Bookmark scenes**

**The bookmark scenes feature, I'm not even sure Netflix has. But it would be a killer feature to have. Lots of movies have certain scenes that you could watch over and over again. It'd be nice to have one click access to a movie scene, without having to cue the movie and FF. (There's probably some legalistic reason why they don't offer this, but one can dream)

I can think of a couple Tarantino classic scenes that would be on my list:
  • Reservoir Dogs - "I don't tip" scene
  • Pulp Fiction
    - "Have you ever given a foot massage?" dialogue
  • Used Cars
     (Frank Zemechas) - scene where Frank McRae insistently urges a customer inside the car - "I want you to get inside the car. Its nice in here..". I must have watched that scene a hundred times, bowled over in laughter.

Yes, there is resume playback, FF/RW, and your video library will be the same as it is on Amazon. But no bookmark abilities.

You also have the following features:

A wish list queue for movies you marked as such
A recently watched list
The search feature retains a history of past searches
Browsing abilities designed nice enough that you shouldn’t feel the need to browse from the website for titles
post #2614 of 8765
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Originally Posted by venus933 View Post
Yes, there is resume playback, FF/RW

 

Thanks for the info.

 

I've got basic FF/RW. What I'm looking for is a "Visual/keyframe based" FF/RW like the Directv DVR has. So, you can see keyframes while you are advancing or rewinding. Currently, the playhead moves with no indication, other than time, where you are in the video.

 

I can understand that there are some limitations to showing keyframes that have not loaded into the stream buffer yet. But for buffered content, it would be a huge help to see keyframes.

 

Also, on the subject of Vizio apps, I'm hoping they add Spotify. That's the only thing keeping me from ditching Apple TV - Unless I can figure out a way to stream spotify from my Mac to the Vizio as I'm currently doing using the Airfoil app on my Macbook air...


Edited by vestaviascott - 7/12/13 at 4:36pm
post #2615 of 8765
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Originally Posted by kjcramer View Post

Forgot to mention the passive 3D, sooo much better than the VT! The Panasonic 3D was dark with lots of crosstalk and the glasses gave me a headache so I never used it. With the Vizio I'm pulling out all my 3D discs again and even my wife loves it biggrin.gif

Ya my wife watched one 3D movie on the 70" Sharp that was active and Hated it ... said she would never watch that again.

She has watched a couple 3D movies with me now on this 70" Vizio with Passive and she says she absolutely loves it ... She is down to watch anything in 3D now (before even if there was a 3D release it had to regular to watch it for her).
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Installed my 70" last night. Didn't get a chance to play with it much. I do need to lower the TV half a foot. Does anyone know if there are more mounting holes in the back. I used the 4 that already had screws in them from Vizio. However there looks to be more mounting points that don't have holes drilled into them yet. Don't want to drill and break my TV.
post #2617 of 8765
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Originally Posted by kjcramer View Post

Just want to chime in on this set. With some reluctance, I actually replaced a 65vt50 with the 70" Vizio. We have a bright room and this tv is used mainly for cartoons and tv these days since I have a four-year old. I'm a plasma guy since 2005 and knew the trade-offs going in. I fully expected movies to suffer greatly but everything else to be okay. Frankly, I'm very impressed! TV and cartoons look great and I put in the Avengers Blu Ray last night and was shocked. The blacks of course aren't there but the detail and "punch" were incredible. Riminded me of a Samsung but without the blue push and horrible glossy screen.

We live in Phoenix so having a bigger tv that does not get hot and uses very little power was a big draw. I know a lot of VT people will call this blasphemy but whatever- I got a bigger, brighter screen without the heat and power consumption for less than I sold my VT for. Just my 2 cents for anyone considering this over a big plasma.

I have to agree. I loved my plasma but wanted to switch for safety reasons with a small child in the house that is learning to walk. I didn't think I could like a non-plasma this much. It really is shocking. The blacks are very acceptable and no burn in/IR is wonderful. The passive 3D was enough to sell me, so the rest is just a nice bonus. The Cnet calibration is what put me over the top as far as colors and PQ. I tweaked them so I wouldn't have to use smart dimming and I just can't be happier. I guess there is life outside of plasma :-)
post #2618 of 8765
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Originally Posted by kjcramer View Post

Just want to chime in on this set. With some reluctance, I actually replaced a 65vt50 with the 70" Vizio. We have a bright room and this tv is used mainly for cartoons and tv these days since I have a four-year old. I'm a plasma guy since 2005 and knew the trade-offs going in. I fully expected movies to suffer greatly but everything else to be okay. Frankly, I'm very impressed! TV and cartoons look great and I put in the Avengers Blu Ray last night and was shocked. The blacks of course aren't there but the detail and "punch" were incredible. Riminded me of a Samsung but without the blue push and horrible glossy screen.

We live in Phoenix so having a bigger tv that does not get hot and uses very little power was a big draw. I know a lot of VT people will call this blasphemy but whatever- I got a bigger, brighter screen without the heat and power consumption for less than I sold my VT for. Just my 2 cents for anyone considering this over a big plasma.

Good to hear this from someone else coming from a Panasonic plasma (I had Pioneer plasmas before they stopped making them). I'm not selling my 65 inch VT but am going to make the 70 inch Vizio the main display in the family room. I'm confident that I'm going to live with some of the imperfections of LCD technology, in favor of a larger display, at a significantly reduced (I paid almost $4K for my 65 inch VT a little over two years ago) cost. Thanks for your feedback and the plasma comparison.

John
post #2619 of 8765
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Originally Posted by vestaviascott View Post


I've got basic FF/RW. What I'm looking for is a "Visual/keyframe based" FF/RW like the Directv DVR has. So, you can see keyframes while you are advancing or rewinding. Currently, the playhead moves with no indication, other than time, where you are in the video.

I can understand that there are some limitations to showing keyframes that have not loaded into the stream buffer yet. But for buffered content, it would be a huge help to see keyframes.

OK, I got what you mean. The FF/Rewind still works the way you have it on your TV. That is as you said, the only indication is the time indicator. They have to work on that for the next iteration.
post #2620 of 8765
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Originally Posted by Cardstatman View Post

I have to agree. I loved my plasma but wanted to switch for safety reasons with a small child in the house that is learning to walk. I didn't think I could like a non-plasma this much. It really is shocking. The blacks are very acceptable and no burn in/IR is wonderful. The passive 3D was enough to sell me, so the rest is just a nice bonus. The Cnet calibration is what put me over the top as far as colors and PQ. I tweaked them so I wouldn't have to use smart dimming and I just can't be happier. I guess there is life outside of plasma :-)

Gosh, I hope I will feel the same way. My only concern is not being happy with the light bleed, I hope it's as minimal as some say it is. But what a relief it would be to not worry about IR.
post #2621 of 8765
Can someone test something out for me? This is kind of critical because it will determine if I need to buy a new receiver or not. Can someone with an ARC enabled receiver see if this TV can send the audio return channel to a receiver when the audio source is another HDMI device(bluray pc, console, whatever) connected to the tv rather than the internal tuner or Vizio apps? And if so, what formats are available, or is it only 2.0 pcm.

The reason I ask is because this TV is primarily used in conjunction with a PC, and I prefer to have the computer video input directly into the TV itself to avoid lag and image processing from my receiver(my current one cannot have image processing disabled), and have a second HDMI connection from my pc to the receiver just for audio. The hickup comes from the fact that my graphics card only recognizes one connection as HDMI when there are multiple outputs(it has 1x hdmi 2x dvi and 1x displayport). It doesn't matter if I use the hdmi port plus something else with an adapter, or two of the other ports with hdmi adapters. It automatically recognizes one port as HDMI and the other as a DVI type connection(which disables audio out for that connection and forces 4:4:4 full range pixel format since it assumes the display must be a regular monitor). With my old tv this wasn't an issue, as I just designate the connection to my AVR as the HDMI one to get audio, and the connection to my TV be DVI, since my old TV supported 4:4:4 chroma.

However, this TV doesn't support full chroma range, so the connection HAS to be recognized as HDMI or I will get massive black crush and other image issues. Like I said, this will automatically disable any hdmi related features on the other connection going to my receiver, and therefore I will get no audio.

So now I'm stuck in this perfect storm of one missing feature per component which all make it impossible to do what I need. Either I need to get a new TV with 4:4:4 support(I dunno how common they are on newer TVs), a new graphics card with the ability to output two true HDMI connections(don't care if adapters are required), or a receiver with ARC support(assuming this TV's ARC feature can output full surround sound from another hdmi device). Kinda screwed no matter what frown.gif
post #2622 of 8765
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Originally Posted by slickyv View Post

Does anyone know if there are more mounting holes in the back. I used the 4 that already had screws in them from Vizio. However there looks to be more mounting points that don't have holes drilled into them yet. Don't want to drill and break my TV.

 

I thought the same thing when I saw those. However, I don't believe they are viable for mounting as is. I posted my observations and conclusions here. Hope that helps.

post #2623 of 8765
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Originally Posted by SilentPower View Post

Can someone test something out for me? This is kind of critical because it will determine if I need to buy a new receiver or not. Can someone with an ARC enabled receiver see if this TV can send the audio return channel to a receiver when the audio source is another HDMI device(bluray pc, console, whatever) connected to the tv rather than the internal tuner or Vizio apps? And if so, what formats are available, or is it only 2.0 pcm.

 

I've got a Vizio Blu-ray connected to HDMI2. I can do the test later tonight once the kids go to bed if no one has helped you before then. I'll let you know.

 

I'm currently running PCM audio out from the TV back over the HDMI1 (arc) input to my Denon AV receiver that serves as my switcher. I've tested audio from the Apps and verified that I'm passing 5.1 DD from Amazon instant back to the Denon. I haven't tested other sources (OTA or Blu-Ray) yet...

post #2624 of 8765
i don't understand the colr gain settings. my M-seris Vizio color settings don't go that high. Is there something else i should be looking at?
post #2625 of 8765
Thanks I really appreciate it. Like I said, right now I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. Technically I could use an optical cable from my old sound card to my receiver, but I've experienced a whole other boatload of issues with dolby digital live encoding, especially when switching between various games and applications, and the sound quality isn't as good imo.

I find it weird no one has had a similar issue before though. Searching everything I can think of yielded almost no results. I can't be the first person to try to do hdmi from a pc to the tv and receiver separately. But I've read nothing so far about people having this type of issue where the AMD drivers "force" one connection to function as hdmi and the other as dvi. I wonder if it's a hardware defect with my card or a a feature omission for this particular model. I know AMD Eyefinity cards have always required a special active adapter to output more than 2 displayport++/hdmi signals at once for eyefinity stuff, but never heard of it being limited to one at a time.
post #2626 of 8765
Speaking of connecting a PC, does the lack of 4:4:4 support dramatically impact the image in a negative way?
post #2627 of 8765
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Originally Posted by tailoredbiz View Post

i don't understand the colr gain settings. my M-seris Vizio color settings don't go that high. Is there something else i should be looking at?

No, you're not missing anything. The 50 & 55 inch have larger numerical values for the color settings than do the 60-80 inch. They also have different firmware numbers. You will need to look at the postings from those with the same range as your TV. There is a post some pages back that puts some of the common ones together.
post #2628 of 8765
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Originally Posted by havasuvideo View Post

Yea, my M501d did that a little bit. These sets out of the box, are set way to vibrant, and most of the settings are just plain awful. Use the settings listed below, and I believe that will make your whites a little better, and even.
Also-do you have Smart Dimming on, or off? I use On, and Smooth Motion set to Medium.
Here are Dr. Shakensteins settings copied from Page 19;

Thanks for the reply, tailoredbiz. The yellowish tint actually started to get worse and spread farther across the screen. Any tweaking to the settings made no difference. I came to the conclustion that I had a bad set and decided to exchange it this afteroon. The local BB had another on in stock when I checked online but I didn't call to put it on hold and it was sold when I got there. frown.gif They did have the 55 inch model in stock and with a little bit of haggling, they knocked another $50 off of the current sale price and I took it home. biggrin.gif
So far the new set is an improvement. The whites are now white and uniform accross the screen and the rest of the colors look better on the new set. I think the yellow tint was throwing all the colors off on the old set. I do have a little more flashlighting along the bottom edge of the screen in dark scenes on the 55 inch but I've been able to reduce it a lot by tweeking. The new set is almost too big for the 7.5 feet viewing distance I have. Almost. tongue.gif
post #2629 of 8765
Driving me nuts but I think we will settle on the 60. That will save us $500 versus Samsung and we can apply that towards a TV stand and surround system.
post #2630 of 8765
I wish I was a high roller like those of you who can afford the 80!!
post #2631 of 8765
Well, I pulled the trigger and bought the 50". Best Buy guy was willing to match the Sam's Club price on the 55" but, in the end, it is better for my family to save $200 then to gain 5". It was out of stock but I should be able to pick it up on Thursday. I decided to pick it up myself because I've always had TVs delivered and just once I want to be able to rip the box open. I hope I get a good one with minimal flashlighting, no clouding and now CyberScott has me worried about yellowness. Just call me paranoid, especially after my Sony BDP-S790 experience yesterday.

Definitely can't wait to get my new Vizio and finally be able to watch some of the 3D BD I have!
post #2632 of 8765
Well, I returned from my business trip last night. Immediately ran to Costco and bought the 70 inch Vizio - whose sale has been extended to 8/11. If you remember, I returned the Sony 70R550A due to off axis viewing and motion blur issues. I was looking at the Panny ZT60 plasma, the Sammy 64F8500 plasma, and the Sammy 65F8000 LCD. Then I stumbled on this thread, and added it to the mix. Decided to give it a try based on all the great reviews here, and the fact that it is significantly less expensive than the other models I was considering.

Well, after an afternoon of playing with it, I have to say that I am thoroughly impressed. No, it does not quite have the black levels or PQ of the high-end plasmas. But it does come very close. There is some minor light bleed, especially when a light object appears on an otherwise dark background. But the overall picture quality is excellent, and I don't seem to notice the light bleed while watching regular content. (BTW, I am using Ursa's settings right now, and I actually seem to like the smart dimming function on, but I may be in the minority there).

I have watched a few 3D movie clips, and both my wife and I were really impressed with the passive 3D. Sports action has no noticeable blur like the Sony did - just one golf ball inflight - not three. But the NFL network has no HD games until Sunday afternoon, so I will have to wait until then to see how it handles football. The off axis viewing is much better than the Sony as well. The remote is a bit quirky, but I will be purchasing a Harmony 650, so hopefully that will be a non issue. The apps are ok, but not why I bought the TV. I bought it for great picture quality to watch sports, movies, and play occasional games. And I got it for $1300 less than the other models I was considering - plus it is five inches bigger than any of those other sets.

In my opinion, this is a great set. If you are on the fence about this set or a plasma, as I was, give it a chance. The little bit of PQ that you give up is not worth the extra money. Plus I added the Square Trade warranty, so I am covered for a total of five years. By then, hopefully 4K , OLED, or whatever the new technology is, will have been perfected and come down to reasonable price levels.
post #2633 of 8765
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Originally Posted by AGuy01 View Post

Speaking of connecting a PC, does the lack of 4:4:4 support dramatically impact the image in a negative way?
For connection to regular content like cable and bluray, it has no effect as they are output in 4:2:2. The lower numbers means it was subsampled, which is a method of saving bandwidth. 4:4:4, in some ways at least, is like going from DTS to DTS-HD. computers can natively output 4:4:4 as can the PS3 and 360 I think. If you output 4:4:4 to a TV that doesn't natively support it(which is most), the TV will have to convert it, conversion always leads to some kind of lost or mistranslated information. As far tangible image quality differences, I'm not too sure, but I think it makes edges fuzzier as some of the detail in gradients and such is lost.

However, my issue stems from the fact that the black level ranges are tied to the pixel format options, at least in the options on my PC. Going between 0-255 and 16-235 is a huge deal. AFAIK, PC content is designed around 0-255 to provide the maximum possible contrast. TV content was based around 16-235 because of the possibility of the black level information overshooting(don't know if it was the TV or the signal itself doing this) the specified range and therefore that information being lost. So a sort of buffer area was provided. The problem is, if your TV expects 16-235, and you send a pc signal of 0-255, or vice versa, everything contrast related gets blown out or severely faded. It looks BAD and it is very noticeable. It can be mitigated by readjusting the contrast and brightness settings, but that's much more of a pain in the ass than having a simple limited/full black level range option in the settings lime my samsung had. And I won't be able to use the image settings other people in this thread have come up with.
Edited by SilentPower - 7/12/13 at 8:35pm
post #2634 of 8765
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Originally Posted by CyberScott View Post

Thanks for the reply, tailoredbiz. The yellowish tint actually started to get worse and spread farther across the screen. Any tweaking to the settings made no difference. I came to the conclustion that I had a bad set and decided to exchange it this afteroon. The local BB had another on in stock when I checked online but I didn't call to put it on hold and it was sold when I got there. frown.gif They did have the 55 inch model in stock and with a little bit of haggling, they knocked another $50 off of the current sale price and I took it home. biggrin.gif
So far the new set is an improvement. The whites are now white and uniform accross the screen and the rest of the colors look better on the new set. I think the yellow tint was throwing all the colors off on the old set. I do have a little more flashlighting along the bottom edge of the screen in dark scenes on the 55 inch but I've been able to reduce it a lot by tweeking. The new set is almost too big for the 7.5 feet viewing distance I have. Almost. tongue.gif

I actually have a similar issue, where the top right quarter of my screen was/is a different tint. It's clearly the glass/coating itself, although adjusting colors and contrast helped to make it barely noticeable anymore. It only sticks out to me when looking at webpages with white backgrounds and such, but I think I might exchange it if you said you got a replacement without the issue.
post #2635 of 8765
Question for those with a Harmony remote and cable/sat service. How did you set your remote up to watch cable/sat and control the TV apps? Did you set up separate activities or just add the TV apps controls to some of the touch screen buttons. Just trying to decide which would be easiest for others like my wife.
post #2636 of 8765
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Originally Posted by SilentPower View Post

Can someone with an ARC enabled receiver see if this TV can send the audio return channel to a receiver when the audio source is another HDMI device(bluray pc, console, whatever) connected to the tv rather than the internal tuner or Vizio apps? And if so, what formats are available, or is it only 2.0 pcm.

 

It works for me, however the audio is only 2.0 pcm stereo. I could not get a 5.1 separation like I can with the internal tuner (OTA) and the internal apps (Amazon Instant)

post #2637 of 8765
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Originally Posted by tailoredbiz View Post

i don't understand the colr gain settings. my M-seris Vizio color settings don't go that high. Is there something else i should be looking at?

Here is a direct link to the post that summarizes some of the better calibration settings for the various sizes so far...

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1452199/official-vizio-m-series-razor-mxx1i-thread/2400#post_23509574
post #2638 of 8765
HD Nation review of the M series fyi...at 5:32 in:
post #2639 of 8765
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Originally Posted by slickyv View Post





Installed my 70" last night. Didn't get a chance to play with it much. I do need to lower the TV half a foot. Does anyone know if there are more mounting holes in the back. I used the 4 that already had screws in them from Vizio. However there looks to be more mounting points that don't have holes drilled into them yet. Don't want to drill and break my TV.

What kind of lighting is that around the TV and where did you buy it ?
post #2640 of 8765
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Originally Posted by vestaviascott View Post

It works for me, however the audio is only 2.0 pcm stereo. I could not get a 5.1 separation like I can with the internal tuner (OTA) and the internal apps (Amazon Instant)

I have everything going through my Marantz receiver (Comcast cable, Blu-Ray player, etc.) with the HDMI output to the TV via HDMI1. What is the best way to connect audio back to the Receiver to play Apps such as Netflix through the Receiver to get 5.1 instead us using TV speakers?
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