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post #3091 of 8819
Here are some pics I took of my 50" last night. The first two are just different PC backgrounds.

I tried using an all black background but my camera was being really weird if it had nothing to focus on and the entire screen would show almost white. So, I used this to illustrate the fact that there is basically zero bleed. This is indeed with smart dimming turned off.



Here is one that really shows off the color on this set.



Here are some shots of GI Joe Retribution. Again, smart dimming is off. If you look hard enough at the top left of the second shot, you can make out the bleed that I was talking about. It's barely there.





Oh, and before I forget. Is there a way to program the Vizio remote to work with my DirecTV receiver? It's got all the buttons needed and I'd love to be able to just switch to one remote without buying a universal one.
Edited by waylo88 - 7/25/13 at 8:18am
post #3092 of 8819
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Originally Posted by nhanstop View Post

Ok. I found this in a LG thread about ips panels. Can anybody with the m651d or any other M-series tvs, test this to confirm if the 65" is an ips or not.
There are a few ways you can tell. One is you can stand off to the side at an angle and if the pic doesnt wash out like the majority at the store will then its a good chance its an ips. You can also apply a little pressure on the screen and move your finger a few inches and notice the trail it leaves. If theres very little to no trail its probably ips. You can also take a magnifying glass and look for the chevron pixel structure.

I have 3 deferent versions of what Vizio calls M series one a 3D set and an xvt650 all from 11&12 all do not have trails from dragging a finger across the screen, can be seen from an extreme angle and the one I could really check a 32 that also serves a computer monitor, the black screen looks like a carbon fiber weave, with the hand held magnifying glass I have it all looks like a diamond with a high lit on the lower right. I know Vizio was getting panels from LG at one time and wonder if they are using some one ells right now for some of there sets?
post #3093 of 8819
Plasmas have always buzzed and have had issues with image retention. And image retention is a lot better than in the past, but you still have to be careful though especially the first 200 hours. Just because you get one that buzzes loud doesn’t mean all the current ones are like that.

Today’s top plasmas (it’s a short list so I’ll just name them, ST60, VT60, ZT60, F8500) are better than ever so to say manufacturers aren’t concentrating on performance is nonsense.

Yes, light bleeding is an issue with LED edge-lit televisions but overall their PQ is a lot better than fluorescent lit units that fade over time.

Stop it with the things were built better in the past verbiage because in most cases it’s complete baloney. We have just become overly picky and spoiled. I for one applaud TV manufacturers going away from acres and acres of cheap plastic with their designs.

End of dissenting view
post #3094 of 8819
I'm going off of experience. In the past, I never had to go through exchange after exchange to get a TV that wasn't garbage. This Vizio is now my fifth TV overall in the last 2-3 months. Also, with my old plasma, I never had to break it in. I just watched TV and have never had a problem with image retention and I've watched thousands of hours of sports and played tons of video games on that thing. The new Samsung I bought retained the ESPN logo after like five minutes of watching the damn channel (and yes, I broke it in with slides and full screen programming for over 100 hours). Also, my old plasma does NOT buzz, period.

So yeah, I'm going to go ahead and stick with my thought that TV's aren't built as well these days.

Enough of that though. Back on topic of this gorgeous television.

On the topic of the screen type. My 50" appears to be IPS. It's got fantastic viewing angles and it reacts the same as my IPS computer monitor when I swipe a finger on it.
post #3095 of 8819
Can anybody tell me if mounting the Vizio M Series above the fireplace will throw off the 3D viewing angle. What If I tilt the mount down so its pointing at the center of the viewers, but just pointing downward...would that be okay? I don't want to put it above the fireplace, but with the setup of the room. It might be the only option.
Joe
post #3096 of 8819
Patiently waiting for Vizio to update the 60" to 1.06. I've been using Ursa's calibration settings, and I'm enjoying it quit a bit. Lots of good information in this thread. Thanks everyone.
post #3097 of 8819
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Originally Posted by jgowac View Post

Can anybody tell me if mounting the Vizio M Series above the fireplace will throw off the 3D viewing angle. What If I tilt the mount down so its pointing at the center of the viewers, but just pointing downward...would that be okay? I don't want to put it above the fireplace, but with the setup of the room. It might be the only option.
Joe

The manual actually says you should have the screen tilted down to create a direct viewing angle to obtain the best 3D.
post #3098 of 8819
Turned on my TV, got msg that I got an upgrade. Checked System info and my 70" just got upgraded to V1.08.12. Still no WI-FI remote and the Apps still look the same, with the bottom bar. Will continue to investigate to see what else changed.
post #3099 of 8819
So, I'm finally settling in with my 60" set, but I had a question that is super difficult to find an answer on. During some 3D movies I get a sort of shuttered black bar across both sides of the screen. They move around from scene to scene, which leads me to believe it's not a television problem, but I'm simply not sure. Any forum or Google searches just seem to bring up grumbling complaints over horizontal bars or discussions over floating windows. Does anyone know what causes this? Is a blu-ray player problem? A transfer issue? Or a television issue? It's pretty jarring on the movies it affects. Thanks in advance!!!

post #3100 of 8819
Oh! I should also add that I've seen these on occasion while watching 3D on Comcast on Demand, which leads me to discount a blu-ray problem, too. :-\
post #3101 of 8819
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Originally Posted by jayissuperman View Post

Is it bad to unplug your tv daily? I live in Florida aka the lightning capital of the world. During the summer we get a good storm every day. I have been unplugging the tv before I leave the house so it doesn't get struck. This isn't bad for the tv in any way? Is it?

 

Unplugging (during a lightning storm) is wise, however, not really a workable strategy long term (if you forget one time and its the wrong time to forget, you're toast). Plus, lightning may travel over your HDMI or coaxial cables as well.

 

Here are a few suggestions to consider:

 

1) Get a good surge protector - I've just ordered this one from Amazon a few days ago (after a lightning storm gave me a scare). I'll report back on my impressions once I receive it later today. It claims a $50k connected equipment replacement (again, read the fine print)

 

2) Get a $99 squaretrade warranty - the costco sales associate told me it covers you for power surge damage (you need to read the fine print, I havent confirmed this). IIUC, you have up to 60 days from the date of purchase to get the warranty for $99, then the price goes up I believe. Also check your homeowner's insurance policy for similar coverage.

 


Edited by vestaviascott - 7/25/13 at 11:20am
post #3102 of 8819
Hi All
several questions regarding the M65
1. It seems like my picture and color settings are different for native apps vs cable? Is this normal?
2. When the color settings are adjusted, do they get customized specifically for that picture mode or do they change for all the picture modes? For eg, can I have a different color setting for each picture mode.
3. Powering off the TV (unplugging it) has resulted in resetting of color/picture settings to default, is this normal?
4. Lastly, I am coming from VIZIO 47" XVT3D4SV4 full array LED TV and that set is pristine. One of the best that I have ever owned. They are no longer available, the only full array that I could have bought now instead of the M is the Sony XBR65HX950, although 2.5 times more expensive (which I can afford). I feel that the IQ on the M is not as good as the XVT. The caveat here is that my cable source has changed from xfinity to dish (that beams signal only in 1080i). Do you guys think(especially the videophiles here) the full array local dimming Sony will trump the M in terms of IQ to the point that I will clearly appreciate a difference. Unfortunately no brick and mortar store carries the Sony anymore for me to make that comparison.
post #3103 of 8819
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Originally Posted by vestaviascott View Post

Unplugging (during a lightning storm) is wise, however, not really a workable strategy long term (if you forget one time and its the wrong time to forget, you're toast). Plus, lightning may travel over your HDMI or coaxial cables as well.

Here are a few suggestions to consider:

1) Get a good surge protector - I've just ordered this one from Amazon a few days ago (after a lightning storm gave me a scare). I'll report back on my impressions once I receive it later today. It claims a $50k connected equipment replacement (again, read the fine print)

2) Get a $99 squaretrade warranty - the costco sales associate told me it covers you for power surge damage (you need to read the fine print, I havent confirmed this). IIUC, you have up to 60 days from the date of purchase to get the warranty for $99, then the price goes up I believe. Also check your homeowner's insurance policy for similar coverage.


thanks man. I actually have it hooked up to a surge protector however years ago we lost a tv that was hooked up to one as well. Just a little nervous. I actually purchased the 5 year square trade plan because I absolutely love this tv and to me it's worth it.
post #3104 of 8819
So I started checking out my 70" last night. No real light bleed but a good amount of flash lighting with smart dimming off, not unbearable by any means. The picture is better than my 55" or 65" but that could be because of my picture settings. I'm using ursa's settings and it looks phenomenal. I tried a few other posted on here and didn't like them as much. I like the semi gloss screen a lot more than the glass screen on the 65". This thing gets hotter than the 55" or 65", a lot hotter. Well over 100* on the left and right sides. The back and top stay fairly cool it seems like, especially compared to the sides though. This remote is still worse than the others.
More to come as I use it and notice things.
Just did a service check and turned the TV off. Hopefully I get the new update like a previous poster mentioned so I can see if anything changed.
post #3105 of 8819
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Originally Posted by jayissuperman View Post

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thanks man. I actually have it hooked up to a surge protector however years ago we lost a tv that was hooked up to one as well. Just a little nervous. I actually purchased the 5 year square trade plan because I absolutely love this tv and to me it's worth it.

Something else to consider is to buy a UPS, no not the brown truck, an Uninteruptable Power Supply like you buy for your computer, it will add a little more protection or buffer between you & the power grid & also protect you from multiple "bangs" of power like off, on off on off like I had during one storm.
post #3106 of 8819
Well I just turned the TV back on and got the update to 1.08!

First thing I noticed is full screen app drawer like the 55" and 65" already have.

Kind of disappointed that 60",70" and 80" owners get updates last but at least we get them.

Will report back if I notice any other major changes.

eqa5ytud.jpg
post #3107 of 8819
That looks like a beautiful stone fireplace that you stuck a TV in front of, my wife would die. biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by waylo88 View Post

Here are some pics I took of my 50" last night. The first two are just different PC backgrounds.



Here is one that really shows off the color on this set.


Do you happen to have a link to these backgrounds, I'd love to see how they look on my Vizio?
post #3108 of 8819
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpringheeldJack View Post

So, I'm finally settling in with my 60" set, but I had a question that is super difficult to find an answer on. During some 3D movies I get a sort of shuttered black bar across both sides of the screen. They move around from scene to scene, which leads me to believe it's not a television problem, but I'm simply not sure. Any forum or Google searches just seem to bring up grumbling complaints over horizontal bars or discussions over floating windows. Does anyone know what causes this? Is a blu-ray player problem? A transfer issue? Or a television issue? It's pretty jarring on the movies it affects. Thanks in advance!!!

I see this as well at times but only when watching 3D through DirecTV. I've never seen it on the few 3D Blu-rays I have. I just think it has something to do with the way it is broadcast and I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with the TV itself.
post #3109 of 8819
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Originally Posted by frontierajl View Post

Well I just turned the TV back on and got the update to 1.08!

First thing I noticed is full screen app drawer like the 55" and 65" already have.

Kind of disappointed that 60",70" and 80" owners get updates last but at least we get them.

Will report back if I notice any other major changes.

 

+1 Thanks for posting the update. Glad to know that the update has begun rolling out to the "A3" panels. I'm still going to continue using my PS3 for apps though. Just waiting on spotify to hit there for the total solution.

post #3110 of 8819
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Originally Posted by rolltide1017 View Post

That looks like a beautiful stone fireplace that you stuck a TV in front of, my wife would die. biggrin.gif
 

 

From the look of the windows above the fireplace I'm guessing its a 50's MCM home? Love that style (aka "Atomic Ranch")

 

post #3111 of 8819
Thanks!

I've pored over the internet looking for answers. It does shift with the picture... which leads me to believe that it might be "floating windows" related. But while one eye shifts, the other eye is stationary. So it might not be there in a frame, but as the depth of the scene gets deeper it will appear. But it's definitely movie related. That shot was taken while watching Tangled, and I have it on Cars 2, as well. But I didn't see it on Puss in Boots, or a handful of others. Sometimes it happens with cable, and sometimes not. It's just really hard to nail down what's causing it, or if there's a fix. I did find the menu item that allow for the horizontal and vertical adjustment, and I can just adjust that to sort of crop the picture, but it's a pain. :-)
post #3112 of 8819
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Originally Posted by waylo88 View Post
Oh, and before I forget. Is there a way to program the Vizio remote to work with my DirecTV receiver? It's got all the buttons needed and I'd love to be able to just switch to one remote without buying a universal one.

 

Not yet, but the functionality has been "promised" to arrive in the form of a firmware update "sometime this year".

 

If you want an immediate solution to the remote issue, and one that's capable of controlling your DirecTV receiver as well as the Vizio (and thousands of other devices), check out the Harmony Smart Control (Cnet Review). I've been using it for a few weeks now and I can't say enough good things about it. You'll have to shell out $130 clams for it, but its well worth it in my opinion. Silky smooth control of the Vizio and Directv.

 

post #3113 of 8819
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Originally Posted by rolltide1017 View Post

That looks like a beautiful stone fireplace that you stuck a TV in front of, my wife would die. biggrin.gif
Do you happen to have a link to these backgrounds, I'd love to see how they look on my Vizio?

Here you go. They're 2560x1440 as that's what resolution my PC monitor is, but it's 16x9, so they'll scale correctly for 1920x1080.

http://i.imgur.com/rDxquZX.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/UpQ8ZOG.jpg
post #3114 of 8819
I have the 70" also and when I turned on today it said I got the update. But no full app drawer and alot of icons are missing and majority of them don't work (states I need to connect to the Internet) which I am. Tried hardwired and wifi neither works. Any ideas guys?
post #3115 of 8819
Waylo88- good pics. I'll be happy to get a set with minimal problems. I probably would have just gave up by the 3rd swap. I'm coming from old 7 yr old 46" samsung lcd. Which, by the way looks like its failing. It barely gets any use nowadays, yet there is this vertical line near left side border that comes and goes from on/off cycles. Then another 4 yr 46" sony ex-series which is a really good tv by my standards. So getting a 65" is a pretty huge step up in viewing.
On the topic of all these different flaws or what have you. The tv industry, I think is in a state of flux right now. Before plasma and lcd came along, we all had those bulky tvs that weighed a ton. And that is the only thing you would see; they were all the same. Now, manufacturers have their R&D testing all kinds of things all at once.(ie- edgelit, backlit, 3d, 4k, etc.) it's fragmented. I think once we get to 4k and its price points have dropped dramatically, then that may be the standard for quite some time. Which leads to a whole new discussion .

As far as anybody that has tested if the m-series is an ips panel or not, thank you for chiming in. Would like to come to a general consensus about this set. Please add more.
post #3116 of 8819
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Originally Posted by SpringheeldJack View Post

So, I'm finally settling in with my 60" set, but I had a question that is super difficult to find an answer on. During some 3D movies I get a sort of shuttered black bar across both sides of the screen. They move around from scene to scene, which leads me to believe it's not a television problem, but I'm simply not sure. Any forum or Google searches just seem to bring up grumbling complaints over horizontal bars or discussions over floating windows. Does anyone know what causes this? Is a blu-ray player problem? A transfer issue? Or a television issue? It's pretty jarring on the movies it affects. Thanks in advance!!!


I recall seeing something like this on our old Samsung DLP TV. It only occurred on certain 3d Disney movies. I haven't watched those yet on the new set. I'll do so and get back to you, but it looks as though you are watching Disney films as well.
Edited by DoctorVideo - 7/25/13 at 2:30pm
post #3117 of 8819
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Originally Posted by frontierajl View Post

Well I just turned the TV back on and got the update to 1.08!

First thing I noticed is full screen app drawer like the 55" and 65" already have.

Kind of disappointed that 60",70" and 80" owners get updates last but at least we get them.

Will report back if I notice any other major changes.

eqa5ytud.jpg

Just got the update on my 60". I now have full-screen apps, and I now have 3DGo and MGo, as well as a bunch of others.
Remote is just as flaky.
post #3118 of 8819
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Originally Posted by nhanstop View Post

Ok. I found this in a LG thread about ips panels. Can anybody with the m651d or any other M-series tvs, test this to confirm if the 65" is an ips or not.
There are a few ways you can tell. One is you can stand off to the side at an angle and if the pic doesnt wash out like the majority at the store will then its a good chance its an ips. You can also apply a little pressure on the screen and move your finger a few inches and notice the trail it leaves. If theres very little to no trail its probably ips. You can also take a magnifying glass and look for the chevron pixel structure.


I just found a stronger magnifying glass, and I can now say that the 60" doesn't have a pattern anything like the chevron pattern shown.
post #3119 of 8819
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Originally Posted by DoctorVideo View Post
Just got the update on my 60". I now have full-screen apps, and I now have 3DGo and MGo, as well as a bunch of others.

 

Do 3DGo and MGo have any content yet?

post #3120 of 8819
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Originally Posted by DoctorVideo View Post

I just found a stronger magnifying glass, and I can now say that the 60" doesn't have a pattern anything like the chevron pattern shown.
Bummer. I also noticed on the 60" that it's not as sharp when viewed from an angle greater than about 176 degree's-which means, it's a TN panel!!!
IPS panels will stay sharp and more or less evenly lit to 178 degree's, while TN panels will not(they max out at 176 degree's). However, TN panels tend to have faster response times, in milliseconds. And, more Matte screens.
So, the M501d is IPS, and the M601d is TN frown.gif..

I'm still sticking with 2 M601d's, and returning the M501d.
I prefer the PQ just slightly better on the 60", no flash lighting whatsoever, and, 10 more inches of screen.....come on-who doesn't like that!!!
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