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Originally Posted by rolltide1017 View Post

I'm having a harder time getting use to the black level performance of my 55" then I thought I would. With smart dimming off, black levels are horrible; far worse then my dads 6 year old Samsung LCD and even worse then my 7 year DLP that this replaced. Yes, I can turn the backlighting down until the blacks look better but then it's to dark to enjoy the rest of the picture. So, for now, smart dimming off just isn't and option. Now, with smart dimming on, it looks great most of the time, until a dark scene with some light objects comes up, then it is a washed out mess. I was watching Prometheus and the scenes where they are exploring the tunnels just didn't look that good. I think part of the problem is that the dimming makes the black bars a nice inky black but, this becomes a point of reference for black and when things in a scene don't match that it just stands out bad.

It's just distracting to me and I didn't think it would be, but so far it has been. Problem is, I don't think I'm going to find anything else at this price that offers the features that the Vizio does. I'm thinking about turning auto backlighting on to medium or high (low is just to dark for my taste) for a few days and she if that helps. For the most part, I really like this TV, I just wish dark scene black levels were better.

A few nights ago I had a similar experience watching "The Call" blu ray. That's the first time I've been distracted by flash lighting and washed out black levels. I won't get to. Mess with it for about a week but plan to try some setting adjustments.

BTW I watch in a room with only a 6500K backlight.
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Reporting in to say my 60" M-series finally got the update today.
post #3303 of 8749
Received 1.08 a few minutes ago. It did not fix my unresponsive issue when the set is first turned on.

Anyone know how to turn on the full screen internet apps like I've seen others post with this update? Mine are still along the bottom of the screen.
post #3304 of 8749
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Originally Posted by SpringheeldJack View Post

Crap. Sorry. I under-thought that. No... I'm using a PS3. For some reason my brain just farted, and I forgot you were trying to make it work through the television. You're right. The television itself doesn't recognize the format at all. You don't have any consoles or players that are attached that will do the job for you?

Oh, OK. Yeah, I have a PS3, I was just trying to see if it was possible by just going through the TV itself.
post #3305 of 8749
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Originally Posted by DoctorVideo View Post

Yes, I'm having the same issue. Now if your problem occurs with the sound coming out of your A/V receiver, that is pretty normal and can usually be adjusted in the menu settings of your receiver. In my case, I am having problems with the sound coming directly from the TV speakers. I have an HDMI connection to the TV from my DirecTV DVR. The problem is intermittent. It can be dead-on accurate when I first turn on a program, and within 30 minutes, it will be noticeably off. Sometimes commercials will be out-of-sync, but the program will be in-sync. Just now, I noticed that the sync was off. I switched to the on-line user manual to check something, and when I switched back to the program, it was back in sync. The same thing will often happen if I switch channels and then go back. It's a head scratcher. Even though this all started when I got this TV, I contacted DirecTV to see if the problem could be on their end. They did a deep reset of my system, and the problem disappeared for a few days. Now, it's back again, so I don't know what to make of it. Are you by chance a DirecTV subscriber?

Its off both with the TV speakers and with the AV receiver. Its not the typical lip sync issue that you can adjust for with your AV equipment. At least with my receiver (Harmon Karden), you can delay the audio to compensate for video processing, but there is no way to delay the video. Its opposite of "normal" lip sync issues.

Yes, I also have DirecTV (HR34) and have noticed its worse on some channels and is inconsistent. Seems to point to DirecTV, but this was not a problem on my previous display, it only appeared when I switched to the M701d.
post #3306 of 8749
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Originally Posted by havasuvideo View Post

Try changing to Game Mode, with smooth motion off, and see if the problem persists. I'm wondering if the "processing" the TV does in the background may use up a few milliseconds, and starts to get behind a little.

I've also noticed this same problem-both on the M501 and M601-and the Lip sync only makes it worse. It's intermittent, and I use Dish, HDMI into the TV, then Optical out of the TV into a Vizio Sound bar(no adjustment on that). I notice it in live broadcasts, and in DVR broadcasts. My normal routine is to turn the sound bar on, after programming has started on the TV. Sometimes, when it goes out of sync, I'll pause the program, turn the sound bar off, then back on, and it will be synced. Other times-no so much.
I've not noticed this problem too much while playing movies via the HDMI cable from my laptop.

Since the video is faster than the audio, it doesn't sound like a processing problem. In fact, you'd think additional video processing imposed upon the system would improve this odd lip sync issue (since video would theoretically be slowed down allowing audio to catch up).

However, I'll give the various modes and vid processing options a try to see if anything improves. I'll also set my DVR to PCM - its on Dolby Digital now.

Thanks.
post #3307 of 8749
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Originally Posted by robjulo View Post

Received 1.08 a few minutes ago. It did not fix my unresponsive issue when the set is first turned on.

Anyone know how to turn on the full screen internet apps like I've seen others post with this update? Mine are still along the bottom of the screen.

Should go into full screen once you hit the VIA button a second time. Then a third press should close it.
post #3308 of 8749
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Originally Posted by mascus View Post

My son bought a 55" on Sunday and we noticed the same thing last night watching regular TV. I am in the process of ordering my own 70" so I hope it doesn't do this too! I tried to adjust the lip sync with mixed results. On setting 1 it seemed to sync (mostly) compared to the other settings, but some commercials were still out of sync. I am running my audio directly from my Verizon fios box via optical cable to the surround receiver and HDMI to the TV. Not sure if this is the problem or not. It may or may not be a smooth motion issue too. I will play around with this setting tonight to see if that fixes it. Right now it is set to medium for regular TV and off for blu-rays.

With the optical going directly to the receiver, adjusting the delay in the TV will have no effect on the lip sync problem. You need to adjust it in the receiver. If the increments are in milliseconds, a good starting point is 500 milliseconds.
post #3309 of 8749
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Originally Posted by frontierajl View Post

My 65" had no light bleed or flashlighting but had horrible vertical banding that caused the dirty screen effect. My 70" has no DSE but has some flashlighting, not unbearable but definitely noticeable. Picture quality, they're both great in my opinion. Blacks aren't as deep as the 65" but the 70" has no DSE. The DSE to me was way more annoying. Especially with sports when they would pan across the field.


Exactly- this vertical banding is the DSE on my 65. I attached a few iPhone pix below of the VIA apps screen and my PS3 homescreen in b/w that I hope captures the banding. If you say (as I think others have) that the 70 has no such issues, then that is pushing me towards trading up in size. Although losing black level may be a tough tradeoff...Hey- it just occurred to me that perhaps the mirror-like, undistorted reflective quality of the finish on the 65 is a big contributor to DSE, and the semi-matte finish on the 70 seems to possibly diffuse the effect of the vertical banding? Just a theory....



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Originally Posted by fr8doggr View Post

"So, if you other 65" and 70" owners could jot a quick reply about DSE/flashlighting, I would really appreciate it."

I do not have any noticeable DSE. I have tested this while watching both Hockey and golf, where I believe it is most noticeable.
As far as flashlighting is concerned, my 70 inch does have it to some degree. All edge lit sets will have it to some degree. But it is only noticeable when there is some light content on an all dark background- like during rolling credits. The only way to avoid it is to buy a full-array set, or buy a plasma. I consider it minor flashlighting. (I run with smart dimming on and my backlight at 61, BTW). It's all about realistic expectations. I consider this a minor issue that doesn't really bother me. To get rid of this entirely (full-array or high-end plasma) would cost me almost double what I paid for my 70 inch. IMO, this is a fantastic set at this price point. If you want perfection on every level, you would be looking at $3500 minimum. Or you could wait until next year.

I think I can live with some flashlighting in the 70, as long as the vertical banding problem of the 65 is eliminated- or at least GREATLY reduced. You are correct- sports is where it is most noticeable, or perhaps should say hardest to ignore. As an avid sports watcher, I gotta reallly consider that factor. And I agree that perhaps my expectations are a little too high, and we are just at the technological crossroads where we can't quite get it all at a relatively low price quite yet. Leaning a little more towards the 70 at this point....
post #3310 of 8749
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Originally Posted by jcraigcx View Post

Depending on source, I see full resolution in the System Info screen (1920x1080), however I've too noticed it always shows 60hz refresh. Also wondering whats up with that??
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Originally Posted by DoctorVideo View Post

My 60" settings don't list a refresh rate number, but it does list a "Vertical Frequency" of 60hz. I'm not sure if that is the same as refresh rate.,That being said, my understanding is that all LED/LCD TVs are 60Hz. The 240 hz refresh rate is "effective" which means that it is achieved artificially, hence the "Smooth Motion" function.

The System Info screen is showing the resolution (1920x1080, "Progressive" Yes/No) and the frame rate ("Vertical Frequency") of the source material. Television = 60 frames/sec, movies = 24 frames/sec
post #3311 of 8749
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Originally Posted by Jonlandy View Post

If you say (as I think others have) that the 70 has no such issues, then that is pushing me towards trading up in size.

All LED's are susceptible to banding FYI. It's not that the 70" doesn't have it, just that those who have it have gotten lucky and got ones without it (or at least not very noticeable). It's a roll of the dice with all panels.
post #3312 of 8749
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Originally Posted by waylo88 View Post

All LED's are susceptible to banding FYI. It's not that the 70" doesn't have it, just that those who have it have gotten lucky and got ones without it (or at least not very noticeable). It's a roll of the dice with all panels.

Can you compare my level of banding to what you see in your set? If my pix give you any indication, that is- a photo just can't adequately convey the distraction that DSE causes, IMO.
post #3313 of 8749
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Originally Posted by Jonlandy View Post

Can you compare my level of banding to what you see in your set? If my pix give you any indication, that is- a photo just can't adequately convey the distraction that DSE causes, IMO.

I own the 50" model. I don't really have banding at all. I have like one or two random small spots of DSE, but that's it really. I can see some slight vertical banding in your pics, but it's hard to tell. If it really bothers you, take your set back and get a replacement.
post #3314 of 8749
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Originally Posted by rolltide1017 View Post

I'm having a harder time getting use to the black level performance of my 55" then I thought I would. With smart dimming off, black levels are horrible; far worse then my dads 6 year old Samsung LCD and even worse then my 7 year DLP that this replaced. Yes, I can turn the backlighting down until the blacks look better but then it's to dark to enjoy the rest of the picture. So, for now, smart dimming off just isn't and option. Now, with smart dimming on, it looks great most of the time, until a dark scene with some light objects comes up, then it is a washed out mess. I was watching Prometheus and the scenes where they are exploring the tunnels just didn't look that good. I think part of the problem is that the dimming makes the black bars a nice inky black but, this becomes a point of reference for black and when things in a scene don't match that it just stands out bad.

It's just distracting to me and I didn't think it would be, but so far it has been. Problem is, I don't think I'm going to find anything else at this price that offers the features that the Vizio does. I'm thinking about turning auto backlighting on to medium or high (low is just to dark for my taste) for a few days and she if that helps. For the most part, I really like this TV, I just wish dark scene black levels were better.

When I read a post like yours it reminds that I might be better off just keeping my Samsung Plasma E7000. Sounds like too much of a sacrifice in PQ for worry free content watching and bright whites. If I do go the way of LED technology I'm fast coming to the conclusion I will have to spend a mint to get something comparable in color depth and blacks (where the smart dimming is not video based) such as the Sony KDL-W900a. And you can get any size screen you want as long as it is 55 inches.

Wait till next year? and hope 1) the F8000 panel migrates down to the "7" series or it abandons its stupid stand 2) Vizio comes out with a higher model (plenty of other letters in the alphabet still available) with a CMS and true smart dimming 3) Sony has bigger screen sizes available on their top end 1080p display model 4) the super bright (for a plasma) F8500 panel is available in a lesser model or again without a stupid stand

Still, $2200 for a 70 inch panel is darn tempting...
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So the Vizio M series 55" that I have I been trying to deal with the overall DSE and backlighting issues as mentioned before. I think I got screwed with a bad panel. The picture quality is dark as well (even when calibrated). I don't know if I want to risk getting another one... Does anyone know how the return process goes for Amazon? Could I exchange it for a new one or if I were to get a different tv brand Would they let me? I have had it for a month now.

Is there something special that I need to say on the phone to them for them to take it back?
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Originally Posted by Corrupted Mind View Post

So the Vizio M series 55" that I have I been trying to deal with the overall DSE and backlighting issues as mentioned before. I think I got screwed with a bad panel. The picture quality is dark as well (even when calibrated). I don't know if I want to risk getting another one... Does anyone know how the return process goes for Amazon? Could I exchange it for a new one or if I were to get a different tv brand Would they let me? I have had it for a month now.

Is there something special that I need to say on the phone to them for them to take it back?
If its over 30 days I don't think amazon will take it back. You would have to go through Vizio and let them know the problem. If its under 30 days you should have no problem with amazon though. I would just call and explain the problem and see what they say either way.
Edited by frontierajl - 7/30/13 at 1:03am
post #3317 of 8749
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Originally Posted by Jonlandy View Post

Can you compare my level of banding to what you see in your set? If my pix give you any indication, that is- a photo just can't adequately convey the distraction that DSE causes, IMO.
This was my 65".





And this is my 70 with the same exact background.

Edited by frontierajl - 7/30/13 at 1:36am
post #3318 of 8749
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Originally Posted by Corrupted Mind View Post

So the Vizio M series 55" that I have I been trying to deal with the overall DSE and backlighting issues as mentioned before. I think I got screwed with a bad panel. The picture quality is dark as well (even when calibrated). I don't know if I want to risk getting another one... Does anyone know how the return process goes for Amazon? Could I exchange it for a new one or if I were to get a different tv brand Would they let me? I have had it for a month now.

Is there something special that I need to say on the phone to them for them to take it back?

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Originally Posted by frontierajl View Post

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If its over 30 days I don't think amazon will take it back. You would have to go through Vizio and let them know the problem. If its under 30 days you should have no problem with amazon though. I would just call and explain the problem and see what they say either way.

Amazon is usually really good for exchanging or return, but they do have a limit. As frontierajl mentioned if you are out of the 30 day window you will have to speak with Vizio. I purchased our M40li-A3 through Amazon and had to exchange the first one. I went though Amazon's tech support first and we tried a few things then the CSR said we needed to do an exchange. Once it was determined an exchange was emanate they sent an email link for a shipping label. She gave me the choice of either UPS picking it up from the house or me taking it to a drop off location. It was all pretty painless. I doubt they will exchange for another make/model, but would refund and then let you place another order if that is what you desire.
post #3319 of 8749
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Originally Posted by venus933 View Post

Wait till next year? and hope 1) the F8000 panel migrates down to the "7" series or it abandons its stupid stand 2) Vizio comes out with a higher model (plenty of other letters in the alphabet still available) with a CMS and true smart dimming 3) Sony has bigger screen sizes available on their top end 1080p display model 4) the super bright (for a plasma) F8500 panel is available in a lesser model or again without a stupid stand

Still, $2200 for a 70 inch panel is darn tempting...


Does make you pause for a minute to think - there will definately continue to be an evolution in edge-lit LED HD panels alongside the new Ultra HD 4K panels for a while. I wonder what the (at or near) equivalent in price point Vizio line has in store for next year at this time?


Jim
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Alittle oddity I tought I would post, probably does not mean anything but I was playing with two of the Vizio remotes today for the M models and I noticed this

The remote on the left was the remote I received with the first M401i-A3, the one on the right from the second M401i-A3


The first Vizio remote


The second Vizio remote


Anybody have a clue as to what the 10 pin connector inside would be usefull for that is absent in the first remote
post #3321 of 8749
Dang with all the 60 people saying they got the update I thought I would have it this morning but no luck. I have had the tv for 3 weeks now and nothing. I have tried doing the service check too. All I really want to try is the 3d app smile.gif
post #3322 of 8749
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Originally Posted by jayissuperman View Post
All I really want to try is the 3d app smile.gif

 

Do you have DirecTV by chance? If so, check channels 106 (ESPN 3D) and 107 (3Net) for 24x7 3D programming

post #3323 of 8749
No I have bright house cable. Thanks though
post #3324 of 8749
Chromecast thoughts. If you got in on the netflix deal it was a no brainer at $11. Everything I've read is the chromecast does NOT support HDMI-MHL (and my tests agree with that) so it's most likely not a TV issue.
http://blog.arogan.com/2013/07/google-chromecast.html

Somebody asked about a streaming solution (not actually using the crappy player on the TV) for 1:1 Bluray:
http://blog.arogan.com/2013/07/mede8er-med600x3d-media-player.html

a much cheaper streaming option (does everything except frame packed mvc 3D mkv. so no 1:1 bluray 3D. Does do 1:1 bluray 2D)
http://blog.arogan.com/2013/01/wd-tv-live-3rd-generation.html

So on my 80 I've done the system check thing quite a few times over the past week and still no update. TV is hard wired. How does the actual update happen? Do you see it happen? Does the TV need to be on? Will it wake itself up and flash itself over night? Does it do it on next power on?
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Hi Folks, I am new to this site, but may have somethings to contribute. I purchased the Vizio M651-d-A2r. I really love the set, but have had a few issues. I see that some of you have had some of these issues likewise.

1. Light Bleed. I find most all LED sets have some light bleed. My fix. Just turn down the Back Lightning. It will bring down any leakage to an acceptable level, at least it did for me.

2. Remote sporadic. Take a look at my "fix" at this You tube site: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZge3rDWsOo

3. Voice Sync. Yes, I have some voice sync problems particularly with 3D on Netflix. The only solution I have is to stop the stream and restart. It seems to be a problem with the streaming content, not the TV. I have noticed it sometimes on Dish Network, but it is not often and usually on commercials. Maybe someone has a better solution to this problem.

4. My settings: (Calibrated Dark) Back Light 53 Brightness 51 Contrast 77 Color 50 Tint 0 Sharpness 60 Color Temp Cool Smart dimming On The other color settings were left as is.

I hope I have contributed something useful to someone.
post #3326 of 8749
Hi everyone,

Great thread, I picked up the 50" this weekend. I've noticed a couple things that have me thinking about exchanging it for a different one.

1. Lower right corner seems to have an excessive amount of light bleed. It's really noticeable in dark scenes and is isolated to this area.

2. I've noticed the sound go out twice, the only way to get it back is to turn the TV off and then back on. Not sure if its a HDMI handshake issue or not, but the Tivo and cable didn't do it on my last TV.

3. This is a question. Is there any easy way to upconvert 2d to 3d? The demo LG I saw at BB was able to do it and they told me this one could. I've messed with the 3D button on the remote and it changes it to 3D but not in a watchable way.


Any suggestions on this would be appreciated, thanks!
post #3327 of 8749
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Originally Posted by jayissuperman View Post

Dang with all the 60 people saying they got the update I thought I would have it this morning but no luck. I have had the tv for 3 weeks now and nothing. I have tried doing the service check too. All I really want to try is the 3d app smile.gif

Mine took at least 4-5 days of trying the service check before it randomly showed up when I turned the tv on yesterday. Just wait it out.
post #3328 of 8749
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Originally Posted by Glert View Post

Hi everyone,

Great thread, I picked up the 50" this weekend. I've noticed a couple things that have me thinking about exchanging it for a different one.

1. Lower right corner seems to have an excessive amount of light bleed. It's really noticeable in dark scenes and is isolated to this area.

2. I've noticed the sound go out twice, the only way to get it back is to turn the TV off and then back on. Not sure if its a HDMI handshake issue or not, but the Tivo and cable didn't do it on my last TV.

3. This is a question. Is there any easy way to upconvert 2d to 3d? The demo LG I saw at BB was able to do it and they told me this one could. I've messed with the 3D button on the remote and it changes it to 3D but not in a watchable way.


Any suggestions on this would be appreciated, thanks!

I've said this to everyone who buys a new TV and takes an issue with something. Return it. You'll regret it in the long run if you just decide to "live with it". You'll wind up just focusing on the light bleed constantly. I did the same thing with an LG LED TV. I just focused on the bleed constantly. It really detracted from my viewing experience. Same goes for a recent Samsung plasma with the buzzing noise.

If you're within your return window, get an exchange. It may be a hassle to box everything back up and lug it back to the store, but a few hours of hassle is better than a lifetime of annoyance.
post #3329 of 8749
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Originally Posted by waylo88 View Post

I've said this to everyone who buys a new TV and takes an issue with something. Return it. You'll regret it in the long run if you just decide to "live with it". You'll wind up just focusing on the light bleed constantly. I did the same thing with an LG LED TV. I just focused on the bleed constantly. It really detracted from my viewing experience. Same goes for a recent Samsung plasma with the buzzing noise.

If you're within your return window, get an exchange. It may be a hassle to box everything back up and lug it back to the store, but a few hours of hassle is better than a lifetime of annoyance.


Excellent point. If I decide I want to stay with this line of TVs, then I only have myself to blame if I don't at least try to get a good panel, since it seems fairly obvious by the many opinions voiced in this thread that there are major quality differences between individual panels.

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Originally Posted by frontierajl View Post

This was my 65".





And this is my 70 with the same exact background.

Most helpful, frontierajl. The difference between your 65 and your 70 is like night and day- the amount of banding on the 70 is far less than on the 65. For the reasons I have listed previously, I really want to be happy with LED and not return to plasma, and your pictures make me feel like moving to the 70 gives me a shot, even if it means giving up some black level.
post #3330 of 8749
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Originally Posted by waylo88 View Post

I've said this to everyone who buys a new TV and takes an issue with something. Return it. You'll regret it in the long run if you just decide to "live with it". You'll wind up just focusing on the light bleed constantly. I did the same thing with an LG LED TV. I just focused on the bleed constantly. It really detracted from my viewing experience. Same goes for a recent Samsung plasma with the buzzing noise.

If you're within your return window, get an exchange. It may be a hassle to box everything back up and lug it back to the store, but a few hours of hassle is better than a lifetime of annoyance.

Probably good advice, I still have a week to do it so I'll do it this weekend.
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