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post #3841 of 8814
Cool. Just didn't know if playing without game mode on made a noticeable difference. I have a 42 inch Plasma now made by samsung and it is about 4 years old, obviously plasma never has problems with ghosting and whatnot and I am new to led type of tv's.
post #3842 of 8814
tested the tv some more today, focusing on smooth motion and movies

the two movies I tested were life of pi 3d and gi joe retaliation 3d

in regards to being able to turn off smooth motion on my 55" with the latest firmware, I had to change the picture mode to computer not gaming mode. changing it to gaming still showed the tv with smooth motion turned on and grayed out, but computer mode had it turned off and grayed out. in addition to this tuning, I also mimicked the settings from vivid mode as I like how the picture looks in that mode. the color temp I prefer cool so I set it to that as well.

now to the testing

with life of pi 3d, I really didn't notice any huge difference between the 2 modes, both looked beautiful, with a slight edge going to smooth motion on as the preferred choice for this movie.

for GI Joe Retaliation 3d, I had a different result. I used 2 scenes to test this. first the fight scene between storm shadow and snake eyes, followed by the mountain scene with the zip lines.

I picked the fast fight scene because I wanted to see if smooth motion will improve or degenerate the picture quality and smoothness of the motion. I have to say that I preferred the smooth motion option here. yes with it off, the action seemed more true to life, but I did noticed some slight video processing lag which resulted to motion stutter. which was very apparent when the shot was zoomed in and the object in motion is fairly large. when they were fighting normal and the shot wasn't zoomed in, then the action seem fine for both. this was the same thing I experienced with normal day to day tv viewing which is also why I left smooth motion on there as well.

for the mountain side scene with the zip lines, the true motion off option is definitely preferred here. the part where the ninjas were jumping/hopping from 1 zip lie to another, the motion was much smoother with smooth motion off than on.

now on to 3D effectiveness: I feel with smooth motion on, the 3d felt more pronounced than when it was turned off. in fact, there were parts where I felt when the smooth motion was turned off, so was the 3d, which is pretty disappointing...

so there you have it, my personal experience with smooth motion is that when watching movies where there are lots of small fast moving objects, turn on computer mode which will turn off smooth motion. when watching normal movies without a lot of action or with larger objects in motion, turn on smooth motion. for 3d movies, leave smooth motion on for better depth immersion.

has anyone figured out the viewing angle issue yet? turning the bright ness to max did not resolve this, still dims when viewing off angle.
post #3843 of 8814
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Originally Posted by Sbuchanan813 View Post

Cool. Just didn't know if playing without game mode on made a noticeable difference. I have a 42 inch Plasma now made by samsung and it is about 4 years old, obviously plasma never has problems with ghosting and whatnot and I am new to led type of tv's.

There is very noticeable input lag without using game mode.
post #3844 of 8814
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Originally Posted by waylo88 View Post

There is very noticeable input lag without using game mode.

I think someone said it was around 100ms without game mode on. I played BF3 on my F7100 last night with and without game mode on. It's night and day. In the Movie mode the lag was ridiculously bad. In game mode it was nearly undetectable. Same with the Vizio M, game mode is very good. I wish I would have tried playing with a non-Game mode to compare the 2 though.
post #3845 of 8814
and does the game mode make the picture look bad? I'm on the fence here with this tv, it seems a lot of people have problems with the dimming... so is it worth it?
post #3846 of 8814
Game mode looks exactly the same as the other modes, assuming you have your settings the same.
post #3847 of 8814
I am in the same boat, I'm also on the fence about this TV. I have an older Vizio 47" LCD tv and I run games flawlessly without ghosting and or input lag whatsoever. I did talk to Vizio today and asked what the response time of the M551D-A2R was and she told me the Refresh was 240 which we all knew but the response time was 5ms which I for one could not find anywhere online for the life of me.
post #3848 of 8814
and can I run 3d in game mode? This tv seems like an incredible deal compared to other sets, and I really like the minimalist design. I've looked at sets that run 1500-2000 dollars and it doesn't seem like it's worth paying double for almost the same performance. I know it seems quite a few people are having some backlight issues, but every product has problems. Should I be worried or should I take a chance on it?
post #3849 of 8814

Do not hesitate to buy the M series, The pic. is stunning to say the least, Jusy installed ours,Incredible,It is no Panasonic Plasma but will look way better than you expected i promise, Pix coming soon

post #3850 of 8814
A few days into owning my m701, I think I might exchange which is a pain as I had to rent a Uhaul cargo van to get it home as it wouldn't fit in my or my wife's vehicle. I originally used Ursa's setting and on my screen it looked ok, not great but ok, thought it was a little washed out, almost like the screen is hazy. I used my Disney WOW disk and tweaked the color and tint, sharpness, contrast and brightness just a bit. Still not happy with the results. One thing I noticed was that on the WOW disk using the advanced contrast tool, I could not see the group of bars on the right side at all, I tried to turn down brightness and backlight and played with the contrast to try and fix but nothing I did made those three bars visible. The WOW disk called tbis white clipping and I couldnt get it to go away. I also noticed significant DSE while doing the contrast adjustments since the background is white, really noticable on the top and nottom edges right in the middle of the screen. I also have some pretty bad clouding, noticable most on the screen when no signal is there like when the logo is on during startup, its bad enough that I notice it even watching content, watched Dark Knight Rises on BD and turned it off I was so annoyed. Ill try to get pics tonight.

Watched some NFL Network content from Brighthouse last night and the picture was bad, grainy and not sharp, really hazy or washes out....not sure if feed or TV but thinking feed as BD doesnt look "that" bad.

I am thinking of exchanging, maybe for the m801 or maybe just another m701, if I upgrade to the 80, will have to think hard about not going with Samsung 75f6400 or f7100.
post #3851 of 8814
Hi all, on my second m551 due to severe banding issues. Anyways, happy to report the second set is much improved and is a keeper! I've had this set 4 days now and still no update for the full screen apps, vizio apps plus. I called vizio and the poor girl on the other line was pretty clueless about forcing update. I did clear memory and reset to factory settings. How long does update to full screen apps normally take? Thx
post #3852 of 8814
Quick question maybe somebody has some insight on.

I just bought a Google Chromecast, its an awesome device at $35, plugged it into the back of my 60" M series and I had to plug in a USB cable for power. I thought I heard that with newer TVs with HDMI 1.4 it could pass power without additional cables.

Does anyone know if the Chromecast just requires too much power to be powered over HDMI?
post #3853 of 8814
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Originally Posted by jas722 View Post

Quick question maybe somebody has some insight on.

I just bought a Google Chromecast, its an awesome device at $35, plugged it into the back of my 60" M series and I had to plug in a USB cable for power. I thought I heard that with newer TVs with HDMI 1.4 it could pass power without additional cables.

Does anyone know if the Chromecast just requires too much power to be powered over HDMI?

even if it could power it, which it doesn't, you wouldn't necessarily want it to. with its own separate power, it's always on awaiting a signal, and if you cast something to to it it will turn the tv on (and might even change the inputs, i'm not sure). if it was powered by the tv it would most likely not have power when the set was off , thus not able to power up the tv.
post #3854 of 8814
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Originally Posted by jas722 View Post

Quick question maybe somebody has some insight on.

I just bought a Google Chromecast, its an awesome device at $35, plugged it into the back of my 60" M series and I had to plug in a USB cable for power. I thought I heard that with newer TVs with HDMI 1.4 it could pass power without additional cables.

Does anyone know if the Chromecast just requires too much power to be powered over HDMI?

You say it is awesome. but my understanding is that it only currently supports Netflix and YouTube, so what about it is awesome compared to just using the built-in apps on the TV?
post #3855 of 8814
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You say it is awesome. but my understanding is that it only currently supports Netflix and YouTube, so what about it is awesome compared to just using the built-in apps on the TV?

It streams any open Chrome tab, although only one for right now. There's also a plug-in that allows it to stream your entire desktop. That's still in beta and I don't think audio works at the moment.

The biggest thing with this device is that it's open source. As devs start to play with it, it will gain more and more functionality.
post #3856 of 8814
Double post
Edited by RexHarrison - 8/14/13 at 1:54pm
post #3857 of 8814
Hmm sounds like more redundancy in the Home Network. Lets see, my PS3 has Netflix, HULU, Amazon, YouTube, browser,etc. So does my A/V receiver/BluRay player, so does my standalone BluRay player, and now my TV has all that built in with a browser and mirror cast etc.

Now I totally need one of those Chromecast thingies, will it fit in between my AppleTV and my Roku ? There's about a 4" gap that I need to fill biggrin.gif
post #3858 of 8814
OTA Signal Strength

Anyone using the TV with an antenna for OTA reception? I have been using the Mohu Leaf for several TV's including a Panasonic plasma and this Vizio. On the Panasonic I can pull up a menu that shows the signal strength received for the selected channel. This is a useful feature to properly place the antenna, since it can substantially impact the quality of the reception. On the Panasonic I have determined that if I get a signal strength for a channel of 80% or above, I am pretty much guaranteed a distortion free reception under most circumstances. This has helped me to find the best location for the antenna to receive all major broadcast channels distortion free. However, when viewing the signal strength on the Vizio (under System Information) I always see a value of 100% as long as I receive the channel, regardless of the level of distortion. Is this a bug in the Vizio system information? Is there another way to determine signal strength to help me find the best location for the antenna?
post #3859 of 8814
maybe it's just this forum but it seems like 1 out of 3 people have issues with this tv. thats scary. lol
post #3860 of 8814
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Originally Posted by Sbuchanan813 View Post

maybe it's just this forum but it seems like 1 out of 3 people have issues with this tv. thats scary. lol

I think you will find the same with most forums. They are usually overwhelmingly made up of posts that are looking for a solution to a particular problem.
post #3861 of 8814
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Originally Posted by Sbuchanan813 View Post

maybe it's just this forum but it seems like 1 out of 3 people have issues with this tv. thats scary. lol

If it makes you feel any better I have no issues. No clouding, no flashlighting, no blooming, etc, etc. Off angle viewing does fade out pretty quickly. It's not unwatchable by any means but it looks faded out, as if the brightness is cranked way up. I don't feel like that's something that's an issue. I think every set will have that. If you want great off-axis viewing you'll probably want a plasma.
post #3862 of 8814
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Originally Posted by RexHarrison View Post

Hmm sounds like more redundancy in the Home Network. Lets see, my PS3 has Netflix, HULU, Amazon, YouTube, browser,etc. So does my A/V receiver/BluRay player, so does my standalone BluRay player, and now my TV has all that built in with a browser and mirror cast etc.

Now I totally need one of those Chromecast thingies, will it fit in between my AppleTV and my Roku ? There's about a 4" gap that I need to fill biggrin.gif

Well, I'd put it this way: If you're a Mac house and you already have an AppleTV, the Chromecast is probably unnecessary. For everyone else, this does what the AppleTV does in a Windows environment. The biggest breakthrough will come when it can do full desktop/homescreen sharing with audio. Also remember that you can share from ANY device that's running Chrome with this.

I'm not saying it's the world's greatest device, but for $35 it's a pretty great value, especially for what's coming.
post #3863 of 8814
@sbuchanan yeah, every forum is going to seem full of doom and gloom. For instance, I have a touch of lightbleed/clouding in my set, but it's not bad at all. For a 55" 3D LCD LED, I'll take it. At least until I can afford a nice OLED in about six years ...
post #3864 of 8814
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Originally Posted by RexHarrison View Post

Hmm sounds like more redundancy in the Home Network. Lets see, my PS3 has Netflix, HULU, Amazon, YouTube, browser,etc. So does my A/V receiver/BluRay player, so does my standalone BluRay player, and now my TV has all that built in with a browser and mirror cast etc.

Now I totally need one of those Chromecast thingies, will it fit in between my AppleTV and my Roku ? There's about a 4" gap that I need to fill biggrin.gif

I thought the same thing, then it dawned on me. I have an older Toshiba LCD in another room that this would be perfect for.
post #3865 of 8814
I'm looking for a 50"ish TV and looking at the M471i and M501d. I was wondering if the M501d is worth the $120 difference to someone that is not interested in 3D? What are features or differences are there? Also how do these compare to the Panasonic E60 series, or the LG 55LN5710?
post #3866 of 8814
Well I received my third m701d today and it looks to be a keeper the first one would have been if not for the damage in shipping.
got the new set setup and turned on and 5he remote works from anywhere and I turned the tv off for about an hour and when I turned it back on it had already downloaded to fw 108 my second tv took about a week to download the new firmware so im hopeing that between the remote working properly the quick update and the screen looking much better that that is signs I have a good panel this time cause I am tired of unboxing and boxing tvs up.it may take a couple of returns to bet a good panel but I love this tv and would take any tv over it.
post #3867 of 8814
Amazing that its a $1600 jump for 10" from the 70" to the 80". I guess i'll stick with the 70" for now. Still not sure though because BB does not have a display to view.
How long are ya'll letting the panels burnin before calibrating them?
post #3868 of 8814
I'm currently looking at the 50 inch model, and it definitely seems to be the best bang for your buck. The features for the price is excellent. The only difference I can see between the 47 and 50 inch models are the 3d. And obviously 3 inches haha. I'm personally interested in 3d gaming so I'm going to give the 50 inch a shot at the end of the month. I just can't warrant paying hundreds of dollars more for a samsung or sony.
post #3869 of 8814
I've been reading through this thread and am looking at either the 47" or 50", but it seems like the 50" is out of stock most places (Amazon saying 1-2 months, Vizio.com, Costco.com). Are the 50" models in huge demand, or are they under-produced?
post #3870 of 8814
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Originally Posted by Benh911f View Post

I've been reading through this thread and am looking at either the 47" or 50", but it seems like the 50" is out of stock most places (Amazon saying 1-2 months, Vizio.com, Costco.com). Are the 50" models in huge demand, or are they under-produced?

Same here, I am waiting for Amazon to get stock back in on the 50" since that is the size I need.
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