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post #4351 of 8770
Oh well sounds like this will be a quick return to BB within my 15 day period. In any case I'll give it a try.
post #4352 of 8770
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold View Post

Oh well sounds like this will be a quick return to BB within my 15 day period. In any case I'll give it a try.

Let me know what you run into Ice, as I'm curious. I'm probably going to return it and get the Sony W802A after I test it in store. Going to take in the Xbox and hook it up and see what happens.
post #4353 of 8770
My best Input Lag tests personally are Gears of War 3 can I nail the active reload each time. And Batman Arkham City can I nail 50 streak combos fighting no problem. Blurring from motion I'll have to see. For myself. But I don't go around shaking the screen side to side to see if I can induce it, thats not fair. But I'll play normally Hook Up my Wii U and pLay New Super Mario U to see if theres any color trail or ghosting behind Mario, and Test Racing with Need For Speed Most Wanted if it passes these tests. Its a keeper.

I'll have to see.
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold View Post

My best Input Lag tests personally are Gears of War 3 can I nail the active reload each time. And Batman Arkham City can I nail 50 streak combos fighting no problem. Blurring from motion I'll have to see. For myself. But I don't go around shaking the screen side to side to see if I can induce it, thats not fair. But I'll play normally Hook Up my Wii U and pLay New Super Mario U to see if theres any color trail or ghosting behind Mario, and Test Racing with Need For Speed Most Wanted if it passes these tests. Its a keeper.

I'll have to see.

I was shaking to test after I noticed it. I was sprinting in Halo and turned a corner and noticed it. Gears, I didn't notice much if any but Dead Space I didn't have to shake, just stood there while the necromorphs waddled after me with numerous arms.

PS:Input lag is fine on this TV. In gears I am nailing active reloads with no problems and the response is great.
post #4355 of 8770
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Originally Posted by VintageBullet View Post

I was shaking to test after I noticed it. I was sprinting in Halo and turned a corner and noticed it. Gears, I didn't notice much if any but Dead Space I didn't have to shake, just stood there while the necromorphs waddled after me with numerous arms.

PS:Input lag is fine on this TV. In gears I am nailing active reloads with no problems and the response is great.

Did you turn off 240hz ? It can cause ghosting. Also this TV has an 8ms response time which is kinda slow compared to today's LCD sets, and it might be the reason why you're seeing trailing. My 6year old 40" Samsung had a 3ms response time.
post #4356 of 8770
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Originally Posted by 2k10GT View Post

Stick with the M. I saw your latest post about the banding -- I'd replace with another M IMHO. I had the 55" 6350 for two weeks and could not believe how weak the blacks and shadow detail were when I brought it home. I returned it and went with the 60" M, and am happy I did. In the store both sets looked comparable, but you simply can't really compare shadow detail performance in-store due to the amount of ambient light. There "appear" to be more issues with the 55" M than the other sizes, but I'd still give that another shot over wasting my time with that particular Sammy.

Sorry about your banding issue, and good luck with the return!

thanks for the reply , 2K.

you're about the 3rd person that told me to stick with the vizio ,will do...day 4 and 5 , the set developed a high pitch squeal , on top of the banding issue. keeping my fingers crossed the next one I pull off the pallet will be a good one.
Edited by john44a - 9/8/13 at 6:45pm
post #4357 of 8770
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Originally Posted by RexHarrison View Post

Did you turn off 240hz ? It can cause ghosting. Also this TV has an 8ms response time which is kinda slow compared to today's LCD sets, and it might be the reason why you're seeing trailing. My 6year old 40" Samsung had a 3ms response time.

Yes 240Hz is off and it has a 4ms response time not 8ms. I talked with Vizio and they told me 4ms for the 60" and 5ms for the 55"
post #4358 of 8770
I'll just say I play Counter Strike competitively on PC and have been using my 50" as a monitor for awhile now. Zero motion blur. I do have the TV itself overclocked though to always be 120Hz.
post #4359 of 8770
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Originally Posted by waylo88 View Post

I'll just say I play Counter Strike competitively on PC and have been using my 50" as a monitor for awhile now. Zero motion blur. I do have the TV itself overclocked though to always be 120Hz.

It only occurs in dark areas. I have played CS:Go and the game is rather bright. There are some dark areas but not many if I recall. Anyway, how do you OC it to always be at 120 ?
post #4360 of 8770
I'm new to led tv's and recently purchased the 501d....I seem to be experiencing what seems like excessive flashlighting and light bleed from the edges of the set.

This picture was taken in a dark room and is of a blank input with a tv menu box open. Is this level of light bleed common for side lit led's or did I just get a bad set. Thanks for the help!

post #4361 of 8770
That may be the worst I've ever seen. What is your backlight setting? Making some adjustments to backlighting and brightness may help a little bit but as i said that is as bad as I've seen. Does it effect your normal viewing? I think if it were mine I'd return it for a replacement.
post #4362 of 8770
I went with the CNET settings and have backlight at 62 and brightness at 51. Nothing is all that noticeable in bright scenes but dark scenes get fairly brutal.
post #4363 of 8770
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Originally Posted by VintageBullet View Post

It only occurs in dark areas. I have played CS:Go and the game is rather bright. There are some dark areas but not many if I recall. Anyway, how do you OC it to always be at 120 ?

http://www.blurbusters.com/faq/120hz-pc-to-tv/

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Originally Posted by kflats View Post

I'm new to led tv's and recently purchased the 501d....I seem to be experiencing what seems like excessive flashlighting and light bleed from the edges of the set.

This picture was taken in a dark room and is of a blank input with a tv menu box open. Is this level of light bleed common for side lit led's or did I just get a bad set. Thanks for the help!


That is caused by the Smart Dimming feature. Smart Dimming picks and chooses which lights to leave on to make blacks deeper. In exchange, you get that when you have a bright image in the center of the screen. The lights that are on are working extra hard to light that image in the middle. Turn off Smart Dimming and most/all of that should go away.
post #4364 of 8770
Not much better-it just moves it to the corners...

post #4365 of 8770
Yeah, looks like you just have pretty bad bleed to begin with. I'd honestly return that then.
post #4366 of 8770
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Originally Posted by kflats View Post

Not much better-it just moves it to the corners...

Before you take the set back, it's worth trying one last test:
  • Set Smart Dimming ON
  • Set your Backlight somewhere around 50-75
  • Set your Brightness somewhere between 47-50
  • Turn Auto Brightness Control to HIGH

Auto Brightness Control will dim the overall light output based upon ambient light, but it also does a phenomenal job (in my case at least) controlling flashlighting from the edges like what you're seeing. Your setting for Backlight (set it before you turn on ABC, since it'll be greyed out) will determine the maximum light output. The ABC settings of Low, Medium and High also affect how much dynamic range to allow between dark and light by limiting the high end of the range. So you have a lot of flexibility between both settings.

It's also worth trying ABC with Smart Dimming OFF to see if you get better results. For the record, though, ABC almost eliminates flashlighting and blooming caused by SD on my set (it'll still faintly be there in the toughest scenes, but nothing like what you're seeing).

But if that doesn't work, then yes, it's probably due for a return.
post #4367 of 8770
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Originally Posted by kflats View Post

Not much better-it just moves it to the corners...


I initially used the Calbrated Dark settings, found in the M-Series survival thread and now with Dr. Shankenstein's (settings which you can find the link to in the last few pages). I also, tried the SD- off, ABC-high, backlight low 20-30s and it brings out terrible bleeding issues. I do not have this problem as you can see in my pic. I made sure it was taken in a completely dark room. You definitely have to turn the Brightness down to default. If you've tried all the suggested settings and still no improvement. Exchange it. I still don't know why the way I have it set up with SD ON, improves any bleeding issues compared to the majority in this forum who say to turn it OFF. It's like mine does the completely opposite. The way I see it, as long as it looks good, why bother trying to fix it if it ain't broke.

post #4368 of 8770
I have to add that I own the m65. Which uses the same settings scale as the 50 and 55" as far as I know. And not many people have this model in this forum. It seems like the m65 is like the black sheep of all the models(GLOSSY, but not an issue in my living room). In my case, a diamond in the rough and nearly perfect in all aspects. Spent the whole day watching WK 1 games of the NFL season. It looks like it will be a very interesting year.
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Originally Posted by john44a View Post

thanks for the reply , 2K.

you're about the 3rd person that told me to stick with the vizio ,will do...day 4 and 5 , the set developed a high pitch squeal , on top of the banding issue. keeping my fingers crossed the next one I pull off the pallet will be a good one.

I had a high pitched noise on our first 40, it was coming from what appeared to be the upper right corner somewhere. It was really bad when the TV was off. Drove me crazy.
post #4370 of 8770
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Originally Posted by kflats View Post

I went with the CNET settings and have backlight at 62 and brightness at 51. Nothing is all that noticeable in bright scenes but dark scenes get fairly brutal.

Backlight at 62 is way too high for a completely dark room. I've got mine at 39 now in a room with at least a lamp always on and I have no issues even close to that. Also, I know the common response is to turn smart dimming off, but I've left it on with really good results. I would say try setting the backlight, and probably the brightness, down and see if that improves it. You may even want to create an AVS709 calibration disc and use it just for the brightness and contrast settings.
post #4371 of 8770
I'm going to be getting a new set soon, 65" or above. but after reading I'm not sure. One thing I do want is the glossy screen, the blacks and colors are much more vibrant. I have both the 553 Semi Matte and the 554 Glossy screen and the 554 beats it hands down.

Are any of the sets full array backlit? After reading all the problems with the edge lit I don't think I want one. My sets have full backlight and I don't have the problems described in these threads.

The thin sets are beautiful but I don't want to sacrifice picture quality over thickness of a set.
post #4372 of 8770
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Originally Posted by andy A View Post

I had a high pitched noise on our first 40, it was coming from what appeared to be the upper right corner somewhere. It was really bad when the TV was off. Drove me crazy.

yep , same here , it's just as bad off as it is on..
post #4373 of 8770
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Originally Posted by Burnerbum View Post

I'm going to be getting a new set soon, 65" or above. but after reading I'm not sure. One thing I do want is the glossy screen, the blacks and colors are much more vibrant. I have both the 553 Semi Matte and the 554 Glossy screen and the 554 beats it hands down.

Are any of the sets full array backlit? After reading all the problems with the edge lit I don't think I want one. My sets have full backlight and I don't have the problems described in these threads.

The thin sets are beautiful but I don't want to sacrifice picture quality over thickness of a set.

I am with you on gloss looks better then flat. I think Vizio has some full array sets in the E series, model # E650I-A2 is what I think you are looking for. Go to there web page http://store.vizio.com/led-lcd-hdtvs/e650ia2.html for info. Vizio calls they edge lit set Razor and the few they have that are not razor are just LED. I was unaware of that until I say a display at Sam's Club with the Razor and the LED side by side and the LED is about 4 inches think.
post #4374 of 8770
Burnerbum-

No, the M-series is not a full array backlit set. Edge-lit on the left/right sides, with 16 local dimming zones(smart dimming) according to vizio. Personally, My set does not have major problems that are associated with edge-lit tvs.
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Originally Posted by Phil17108 View Post

I am with you on gloss looks better then flat. I think Vizio has some full array sets in the E series, model # E650I-A2 is what I think you are looking for. Go to there web page http://store.vizio.com/led-lcd-hdtvs/e650ia2.html for info. Vizio calls they edge lit set Razor and the few they have that are not razor are just LED. I was unaware of that until I say a display at Sam's Club with the Razor and the LED side by side and the LED is about 4 inches think.

Definitely NOT full array. Those are direct lit. The LEDs are located along the rear of the panel, but there are far fewer LEDs than a full array has, less even than an edge lit. That is why direct lit sets are so thick...with fewer LEDs, they must be positioned farther away from the panel to properly illuminate it. They don't experience flashlighting, but they have screen uniformity issues.. Direct lit TVs are the cheapest LED TVs to produce as they use far fewer/fewer LEDs and don't require the light guides/mirrors that edge lit sets require. The E series is Vizio's entry level series, full array TVs occupy manufacturers' top tier of TVs and tend to be quite pricey.
Edited by GatorJZ - 9/9/13 at 10:21am
post #4376 of 8770
Hey guys,

Sorry if this has been answered already on the forums.

I just bought a M601D-A3. LOVE the tv so far. But I have a griping question.

Currently, I am playing MKV files from my laptop to the TV via HDMI cable. The TV has built in WIFI, and the Uverse wireless router streaming to it is (I believe) dual band. I can't find any supporting documentation on the TV that says that it supports DLNA, so I'll assume NO for the moment.

Is there a way for me to stream mkv and media files to the TV from my laptop wirelessly? I know that I can achieve this with chromecast or roku or that WD Live player. But without buying excess hardware, is it possible for me to stream 3d mkv files to the TV?

Thank you for reading this and replying. Please correct me if I am wrong on any of the information.
post #4377 of 8770
I am using TVMobili free media server software to stream MP4 videos to the TV using the Media App. I don't have any MKV files, so I haven't tried that. It works great for photos and music as well.
Why don't you give that a shot and report your results?
post #4378 of 8770
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Originally Posted by DoctorVideo View Post

I wouldn't rely on YouTube as a benchmark for evaluating anything, especially 3D. Try a Blu-Ray before making up your mind.

Thanks. With all the positive responses regarding 3d on this tv, i'm sure it will be fine. What sucks is that I wont be able to unbox and use this 60" for a few weeks until I get my basement completed.
post #4379 of 8770
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Originally Posted by fog80 View Post

Thanks. With all the positive responses regarding 3d on this tv, i'm sure it will be fine. What sucks is that I wont be able to unbox and use this 60" for a few weeks until I get my basement completed.

It's LG's passive technology, so it will be good.
post #4380 of 8770
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Originally Posted by DoctorVideo View Post

I am using TVMobili free media server software to stream MP4 videos to the TV using the Media App. I don't have any MKV files, so I haven't tried that. It works great for photos and music as well.
Why don't you give that a shot and report your results?

Thanks for the reply. I was hoping for something free. With a 3d movie easily coming in at 12-16 GB, the 10GB per month limit on TVMobii is kinda harsh. They charge $30 for a lifetime license, I might as well spend an extra $5 and get the Chromecast for streaming movies. Either way, I appreciate the reply.
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Originally Posted by fog80 View Post

Thanks. With all the positive responses regarding 3d on this tv, i'm sure it will be fine. What sucks is that I wont be able to unbox and use this 60" for a few weeks until I get my basement completed.

I was BLOWN AWAY with the 3d on this TV. It seriously looks better than some of the 3d movies I've seen in movie theaters. Definitely miles ahead of my Nvidia Vision 2.0 on my PC.
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