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yep banding and light bleed , the banding is evident on the light blue screen.
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I too have noticeable banding on my 55. Right in the middle of the darn screen. Other than that, the tv is great.

So I've really been considering exchanging up to a 60" because everyone seems to have very few issues with those ... but I'm paranoid I might get one of the few duds, ha ha.
Edited by hauz20 - 9/13/13 at 11:57am
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Originally Posted by john44a View Post

yep banding and light bleed , the banding is evident on the light blue screen.

Ya I wasn't thinking about different sizes that may have other issues.

Banding is real hard to get past that's for sure ... I had the oddball 65" m series (not the current silver frame model) that I bought at the end of last year and it had Absolutely Horrible banding.

Didn't know any of this new m series had this issue.
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

Ya it's the first 2 numbers after the letters in the serial number that state the build week ... you have a week 23 panel ... my first one was week 21 ... and the new one I got was week 26

Ya not sure how the rubbing worked but it 100% works FOR SURE ... I was shocked how much better it looked after I got pissed and started giving it a solid semi-hard rub .... I sat their thinking "Wow This Sucks" ... after 10 minutes of crazy rubbing and then isolated rubbing in areas I wanted more fixed I sat back down after I was done and said "Wow, That Actually Looks Pretty Damn Good Now"! smile.gif

I think they will all have LB issue since that's just an inherent issue with these thin frame and bezel edge-lit TV's period ... but some are worse then others ... but for the most part seems most all these M-Series TV's have some sort of LB for sure ... some may be worse then others but I am thinking they don;t come off the line that way .... starting to think it stress on the screen and panel when shipped (most all pressure is on the bottom of the screen during shipping, plus you grab the screen at the bottoms to pull it out of the foam when setting up, you grab the bottom edges when moving it and placing it in it's new home ... A LOT of stress on that part of the screen and as you have seen and read most of the LB issues come form the bottom left and right ... some from the top corners but Never as bad as the bottom corners ... and those with top corner issues may pick it up out of the box from the corners etc etc).

See where I am going with this ... I made sure to not touch the top left and right corners of my TV and I have Very Little LB from the top edges ... it all comes form the bottom ... it's tweaking, pressure, stress, etc. on the panel I betcha that causes the screen to get alll weird and when the light shoots in the tweaked screen you get some bleed cause it's not shooting free and open anymore ... it's now leaving the effect of flashlighting.

Hope all that made sense ... that is just my 2 cents and what I think causes the bad LB .... Why else when I rub the screen and kinda get the panel back in order does the flashlighting effect go away??? Gotta be the actual screen itself causing this issue and rubbing it gets it back in order and reduces the flashlighting effect to just simple Light Bleed of the bright LED's sending light towards the screen.

I know that was a bunch or rambling but I think that is the issue and I wanted to try and explain my thoughts on this and it may help some others as well who want to give the rubbing trick a try as well. smile.gif

Hey Man it is great information. When my tv was delivered it had a hole through the box and internal foam. It slightly scratched the back of the tv and put a mark in the stand but it looked pretty superficial. I figured I was give it a try since Costco gave me a $50 credit to keep it. Now of course I wonder how hard it was hit and what damage was actually done. I am going to try the "rub" tonight. Geez did that sound right? smile.gif
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Hey guys, first post here. I actually joined up just so I could comment on this thread. I've ordered my M series 70inch 3D TV and was trying to find the calibrated picture settings, I see that it has a "calibrated" setting within the menu, is this going to give me the results a professional calibration would? Has anyone had a pro calibration done? Is it even necessary? I tried finding settings within this thread to no avail, it's a gigantic thread after all. If there any can someone post a link or the settings? Sorry for so many questions.
Also I plan to watch a lot of 3D content so are there separate settings just for 3D or can there be a universal setting for both 2D and 3D?
Thanks in advance!
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Originally Posted by SonofArathorn View Post

Hey guys, first post here. I actually joined up just so I could comment on this thread. I've ordered my M series 70inch 3D TV and was trying to find the calibrated picture settings, I see that it has a "calibrated" setting within the menu, is this going to give me the results a professional calibration would? Has anyone had a pro calibration done? Is it even necessary? I tried finding settings within this thread to no avail, it's a gigantic thread after all. If there any can someone post a link or the settings? Sorry for so many questions.
Also I plan to watch a lot of 3D content so are there separate settings just for 3D or can there be a universal setting for both 2D and 3D?
Thanks in advance!

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1452199/official-vizio-m-series-razor-mxx1i-thread/2550#post_23518914

Here ya go!

Run these color temp settings and tweak the others that fit you the best!

Let us know if we can help with your new TV. smile.gif
Edited by falconman515 - 9/13/13 at 2:49pm
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Awesome, thank you. Will these settings work for 3D mode as well?
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I cannot, for the life of me, get that 3d vision EDID hack to work. The only options presented after following that threads directions are 3D TV or HDMI Checkerboard. I confirmed that the correct driver was installed, but I never see an interleaved option show up. This is on Windows 8 - anyone got any ideas?
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

I see that a lot on my TiVo on regular cable viewing ... thought it was the TiVo but after seeing it a bit every no and again on the WD TV Live player I think i'ts how the TV is receiving the audio signal and not syncing or catching up right.

I have had 2 70" M-Series TV's and they both seem to do this (saw it again last night on the new one)

Nothing Major by any means but still there ... noticed one thing I had recorded didn't match up well at all ... I slid the Lip Sync dial up to 1 or 2 in the audio menu then it looked good ... but then when something is synced perfect then it;s a bit off again and I need to take it back to 0.

I don;t see it very often but I do see it.

I see this too! It drives me nuts, i've paired it with a Vizio sound bar (S3820w-C0) connected through optical and no matter what combination of settings i use - sometimes i get lip sync issues, sometimes i dont.

some observations:
-it is really only a problem with my cable box (which is plugged into hdmi2), with appletv (on hdmi1) it is not so much a problem
-every time i turn on the tv, i have to turn Dolby to "on" on the soundbar (which is annoying), that seems to help (so the tv, cable box & soundbar are all set to dolby)
-Mostly PCM is better than bitstream (for sync issues)
-It's sporadic, this is perhaps most frustrating, sometimes i come home and turn on the tv and its fine, other times i have to spend 20 minutes with 4 remotes just to get the damn sync right.
-with tv speakers on, i have no sync issues.

I think i'm going to try to hook it up through analog RCA and turn all the dolby off (as this is just for my bedroom, running through a 2.0 soundbar....surround sound not necessary) see if that improves things.

But damn....it is the most annoying problem I have with this TV.

I do find myself having to tweak picture settings more than i'd like, and @Ursa is right, it really takes away from enjoying this big new TV when you have to constantly mess with settings - these may be first world problems, but i didnt spend this money so i can tinker with my TV every night - i want set it and forget it!

....any tips on improving my sync issues are GREATLY appreciated.

Thanks so much to everyone on this forum that's helped - you guys (and girls?) rock!
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Originally Posted by Padinn View Post

I cannot, for the life of me, get that 3d vision EDID hack to work. The only options presented after following that threads directions are 3D TV or HDMI Checkerboard. I confirmed that the correct driver was installed, but I never see an interleaved option show up. This is on Windows 8 - anyone got any ideas?

Hi Padinn,
There is no setting for interleave or checkerboard on this TV.
A few suggestions.. if you have the NVidia emitter connected to your computer, remove it as it is not needed with the EDID hack and will prevent the hack from working. With the hack, you should not see a 3D TV or HDMI Checkerboard option in the NVidia control panel.
To make the hack work, you have to disable the Windows 8 signed driver enforcement *before* adding the EDID. After installing the EDID, re-boot. Go to the NVidia control panel and under "set up stereoscopic 3D" Make sure you see a green box with "Optimized for NVIDIA GEFORCE " and the name of EDID monitor hack that you used (Acer, Zalman, etc.) Click on "Enable Stereoscopic 3D" and complete the set up.
The passive 3d will activate automatically when a game is launched, no TV settings need to be enabled. smile.gif Also, make sure you use the Swap left/right registry hack unless you like wearing the 3D glasses upside down. biggrin.gif
I am running a NVidia GTX 670 with Windows 8 and use the Acer HR274H EDID hack and the 3D works great with my Vizio.
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Hey Cyberscott,
I tried unplugging my emitter. When I hook up the TV now it says Blu Ray 3d, not interleaved. Any ideas? It seems like the hack isn't working right (I did disable driver signature when installing it). It's simply not detecting it as the Acer model like it is supposed to.

I do have dual monitors, but I tried disabling the other and didn't work. I never get the option to do 1080i at 60 hz - only at 29.

I think it might be helpful if I tried your driver out. I think I made the modded one properly, but maybe not.
Edited by Padinn - 9/14/13 at 8:46am
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Well I fixed my error smile.gif I used the Acer Override drive from the link you shared earlier in the thread and I'm good to go now. I guess trying to create a custom driver is where I got messed up, though I did follow instructions in that thread.

Still can't get the eye swap to work the way it should - something seems off but its hard to put a finger on. I did do the thing to disable permissions, but it just doesn't look correct. Will play with it more on another day smile.gif
Edited by Padinn - 9/14/13 at 10:51am
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Anyone know what the mysterious power like button is at the top of the remote? Doesn't seem to do anything but light it up. This is the one directly to the left of the red on/off power button.
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Originally Posted by Padinn View Post

Well I fixed my error smile.gif I used the Acer Override drive from the link you shared earlier in the thread and I'm good to go now. I guess trying to create a custom driver is where I got messed up, though I did follow instructions in that thread.

Still can't get the eye swap to work the way it should - something seems off but its hard to put a finger on. I did do the thing to disable permissions, but it just doesn't look correct. Will play with it more on another day smile.gif
Hi Padinn, I sent you a PM. Use the "LG 47LM660S - Swap Left-Right channel for games" registry entry to swap the left/right.
Also, if you want to use the "Set Keyboard Options" for Stereoscopic 3D, you have to enable them *before* you edit the registry permissions. To use them, just allow the permissions, activate the "Set Keyboard Options" then change the permissions again.
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Took a bit more fussing but I got it working now. Looks amazing - and game mode eliminates most ghosting. Thank you Scott!
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Originally Posted by Padinn View Post

Took a bit more fussing but I got it working now. Looks amazing - and game mode eliminates most ghosting. Thank you Scott!
You are welcome! Glad to help! smile.gif
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Lots of posts from me today since. I found out today that 2 of my 8 pairs of 3D glasses were defective - the lenses were popped out and I couldn't get them back in. I spoke to Amazon Customer Support and they gave me a $50 refund O_o. With the price matches I did that means I got the 55 Inch TV and a year of prime for $898. Not too shabby smile.gif
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Been skimming through the thread but couldn't find an answer to this. I was wondering if the smooth motion is like the samsung auto motion plus where its like a soap opera effect looking through a window. I currently have the LG55LW5600 and am disappointed with its tru motion even on its highest setting it doesnt look like the samsung. Hope that make sense.
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Yes smooth motion is what will give you the soap opera effect just like the Samsung
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

Yes smooth motion is what will give you the soap opera effect just like the Samsung

Thanks! Good to know, will be picking up this set sometime this week.
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Hello, all. I've been following the thread for quite a while, considering buying one of these Vizio M-series TVs.

I have a bit of a decision dilemma when it comes to the size. My usual viewing distance (depending on exact spot on the furniture) is about 11.5 to 12 feet. I've looked at all these size recommendations online, and the range is quite large; so, that's not all too helpful.

I was pretty intent on buying the 70" until we walked in and looked at a 70" in person at the store (not the M701d but wanted a feel for the size at a similar distance we would be viewing from). It felt big and in my face. I am a bit nervous that watching it will be liking sitting too close in a theater where my eyes never focus and I'm chasing the action across the screen. eek.gif

As far as the physical size of the room, I don't think the 70" would overwhelm the room since I have a ceiling that opens up to 11' and a large wall to place the TV against.

So, ultimately the decision would be between the 70" and 60" M-series tv's (I don't think I'd like the glossiness of the 65").

I know this forum will probably be a bit biased, but I'd love any input anyone can provide.

Thanks so much!
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Originally Posted by Jedijacob View Post

Hello, all. I've been following the thread for quite a while, considering buying one of these Vizio M-series TVs.

I have a bit of a decision dilemma when it comes to the size. My usual viewing distance (depending on exact spot on the furniture) is about 11.5 to 12 feet. I've looked at all these size recommendations online, and the range is quite large; so, that's not all too helpful.

I was pretty intent on buying the 70" until we walked in and looked at a 70" in person at the store (not the M701d but wanted a feel for the size at a similar distance we would be viewing from). It felt big and in my face. I am a bit nervous that watching it will be liking sitting too close in a theater where my eyes never focus and I'm chasing the action across the screen. eek.gif

As far as the physical size of the room, I don't think the 70" would overwhelm the room since I have a ceiling that opens up to 11' and a large wall to place the TV against.

So, ultimately the decision would be between the 70" and 60" M-series tv's (I don't think I'd like the glossiness of the 65").

I know this forum will probably be a bit biased, but I'd love any input anyone can provide.

Thanks so much!

I know everyone has a preference as far as tv size and sitting distance. I have the 70" and sit around 8.5" away and for me it's the perfect distance. This size and distance allows me to feel immersed in the movie and if I could afford it I would have gone for the 80" smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Jedijacob View Post

Hello, all. I've been following the thread for quite a while, considering buying one of these Vizio M-series TVs.

I have a bit of a decision dilemma when it comes to the size. My usual viewing distance (depending on exact spot on the furniture) is about 11.5 to 12 feet. I've looked at all these size recommendations online, and the range is quite large; so, that's not all too helpful.

I was pretty intent on buying the 70" until we walked in and looked at a 70" in person at the store (not the M701d but wanted a feel for the size at a similar distance we would be viewing from). It felt big and in my face. I am a bit nervous that watching it will be liking sitting too close in a theater where my eyes never focus and I'm chasing the action across the screen. eek.gif

As far as the physical size of the room, I don't think the 70" would overwhelm the room since I have a ceiling that opens up to 11' and a large wall to place the TV against.

So, ultimately the decision would be between the 70" and 60" M-series tv's (I don't think I'd like the glossiness of the 65").

I know this forum will probably be a bit biased, but I'd love any input anyone can provide.

Thanks so much!

It's hard to judge size in the store. Odds are pretty good that you were standing up watching and evaluating the set in the store. I'm 11 feet away from my screen and it's all good. (Not a Vizio, but still a 70 inch panel) At your viewing distance, the 70 inch would be a better bet. When I used to sell these, I never had a customer return a set because it was too large. What are you using for a TV now?
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Originally Posted by drseid View Post

I just joined the M Club as my 60 inch set arrived and was placed on my wall a couple days back. Just some random comments as they are popping into my head as I write this...

I am using it as a rather large bedroom set due to having to increase the ordered size two times due to back orders of the 50 and then 55s... That said, so far, so good. I am using Ursa's settings and of course there is the expected light bleed on the sides but the colors seem spot on accurate. Thankfully my remote appears much more responsive than others have encountered. The set came with 1.06 firmware, but updated to 1.08 within a couple hours... Not much of a fan of the Amazon app layout on the set, nor the so-so black levels compared to my Sony NX810 in the living room ordered a couple years back, but the Vizio is a much better value for sure...

Just one question... Has anyone else who uses the analog stereo out jacks from the TV feeding an integrated amp notice a strong audio pop every time they turn on the TV? Not a big deal, but if this is the norm I am surprised Vizio couldn't have engineered a soft power on to external speakers... Oh well. On the whole despite my rambling negatives I am actually happy with the set.


You are not alone with the "popping" sounds on turn-on (and in my case, with turn-off as well). I'm an old analog audio guy (still use my Linn-Sondek to hear music as it should be heard!) and use a totally analog stereo system with my TV (60" purchased last weekend). I've changed power outlets, RCA cables, even tried using the optical output run through a free-standing D-to-A converter (which I couldn't get to work at all, but that's another issue), but nothing helps. I contacted vizio.com support chat and went through some things to no avail. After a few minutes of waiting, they said "parts were being sent to a technician in my area" and a service call would be set up. Chat operator couldn't or wouldn't provide more details. I'll post the outcome. Otherwise, I'm happy with the TV.


EDIT: Finally managed to get my optical output working with my D-to-A converter (bad optical cable), and the popping sounds are ABSENT using the optical output. My speakers are surely appreciative! Unfortunately, that output level is FIXED, so I'll keep the planned service call, as my stereo has no remote.

EDIT II:

Spoke to customer service again and they wanted me to try: a different audio system totally, so I connected the analog audio to a small portable stereo, noise there too; also they requested I do a factory reset, no help; and finally, see if the noise is in the internal speakers, which it is not. Bottom line: there is popping in the analog audio output, regardless of what's connected to it.

The result is they are sending me a replacement TV. I'm a bit apprehensive, since I have no picture quality complaints on this unit at all. But I'm concerned that the noise is a symptom of something in failure mode that can only fail to a greater degree in the future.
Edited by paul54 - 9/17/13 at 10:16am
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Originally Posted by Jedijacob View Post

Hello, all. I've been following the thread for quite a while, considering buying one of these Vizio M-series TVs.

I have a bit of a decision dilemma when it comes to the size. My usual viewing distance (depending on exact spot on the furniture) is about 11.5 to 12 feet. I've looked at all these size recommendations online, and the range is quite large; so, that's not all too helpful.

I was pretty intent on buying the 70" until we walked in and looked at a 70" in person at the store (not the M701d but wanted a feel for the size at a similar distance we would be viewing from). It felt big and in my face. I am a bit nervous that watching it will be liking sitting too close in a theater where my eyes never focus and I'm chasing the action across the screen. eek.gif

As far as the physical size of the room, I don't think the 70" would overwhelm the room since I have a ceiling that opens up to 11' and a large wall to place the TV against.

So, ultimately the decision would be between the 70" and 60" M-series tv's (I don't think I'd like the glossiness of the 65").

I know this forum will probably be a bit biased, but I'd love any input anyone can provide.

Thanks so much!

At your viewing distance I would NOT got with the 60"

I am just about 10' away from my 70" M-Series and it is Perfect! at 12' a 60 would suck (I know I had a 55" prior to the 70" and the 55" looks like a computer monitor as compared! (not really but sure felt like it)

at 12 feet away there is no question 70" is your perfect sized TV for that viewing distance.
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Hey folks, just wondering if this level of backlight bleed is typical/if I should bother trying to exchange the set. I've seen a few posts in this thread of folks with similar looking sets but not sure if this is just the norm. Not really noticeable during the day but it looks pretty obvious during night viewing.

This is the 50"

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Just wanted to share some pictures of todays Chiefs vs Cowboys game I watched on my M601D. I watched it on OTA Fox channel and thought it looked amazing. I use the "calibrated" setting you get out of the box and color setting at "normal" (can't remember if that was default or not is why I mention it). I took the pictures with my galaxy S3 phone so not sure how they will translate to PC but they look fantastic on my phone. Love the TV.

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Originally Posted by myoda View Post

It's hard to judge size in the store. Odds are pretty good that you were standing up watching and evaluating the set in the store. I'm 11 feet away from my screen and it's all good. (Not a Vizio, but still a 70 inch panel) At your viewing distance, the 70 inch would be a better bet. When I used to sell these, I never had a customer return a set because it was too large. What are you using for a TV now?
I'm currently using a 55" Samsung (UN55C6500VFXZA).
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Hmm - I noticed I have 1 or 2 pixels in the top left that aren't working properly. They either go dark when scenes are bright, or work fine - seems that only white colors impact them. Any thoughts?
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Originally Posted by steve1022 View Post

Just wanted to share some pictures of todays Chiefs vs Cowboys game I watched on my M601D. I watched it on OTA Fox channel and thought it looked amazing. I use the "calibrated" setting you get out of the box and color setting at "normal" (can't remember if that was default or not is why I mention it). I took the pictures with my galaxy S3 phone so not sure how they will translate to PC but they look fantastic on my phone. Love the TV.

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I was having my Doubts about this VIZIO, but you sir just sold a TV for VIZIO you should get a cut. I was going to go with SAMSUNG, but after seeing these pics Who can Really ask for anything more.

Even the Glossy display does not bother me all my life TV's were glossy I love the colors not to dull not too cartoonish, very life like. If people could post Gaming Pictures it would sure seal the deal for many out there.
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